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Mergeperformer by performance. Listifying is fine with me. Changed my !vote to selective merge to
Category:Little ships of Dunkirk as appropriate - this would capture the ships which didn't normally perform these sorts of military duties but were pressed into service, and the Little ships of Dunkirk seems to be the defining linkage. The allies had
many warships involved, and their involvement in this particular operation, or any other operation during the war, is not really defining of that ship; but the smaller non-military vessels you could make a case for. --
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Keep. The comparison with Operation Neptune is inappropriate. Neptune (the
Normandy Landings) used military (or naval) ships, whereas one of the defining factors of Dunkirk was the involvement of so many privately-owned vessels, including small craft. Many of those vessels are notable solely for their use at Dunkirk. Without that single operation, we simply wouldn't have articles on Aberdonia, Tamzine, Sundowner, or Seymour Castle. --
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Selective merge of overlaps and listify the rest. This is an event of such moment that the normal rule on Performance categories should not apply, especially since the ships are unlikely to have made many other performances. The contrast is with actors, broadcasters etc who make dozens of performances.
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17:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC)reply
keep at least 3 of the non-small ships were sunk while in service for this military operation. This is the correct category for them to remain in as it is for the others also.
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Category:Snow College Badgers football coaches
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Nominator's rationale: It is the standard naming convention by all college sports to drop "College" and "University" from their athletics nicknames. There is an occasional one-off exception, such as Boston College Eagles or Boston University Terriers, but 99% of college sports categories follow the proposed naming convention. The only reason this had to be brought to a formal CfD is because the renaming was
opposed by the category's creator at speedy CfR.
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Oppose Snow College athletics consistently self-references as "Snow College Badgers." Their preferred naming convention is an infrequent exception of the same type already identified for other athletic departments in both the original speedy CfR and directly above. This is borne out with an exact string search of their official athletics site on Google:
Comment it doesn't look to me like they self identify as "Snow College" consistently. Look at this
recent basketball write-up. The team is consistently referred to as "Snow," as opposed to "Snow College" or SC. Look at any Boston College, College of Charleston or Boston University sports article. Those schools are literally never referred to without "college" or "university." If they need to abbreviate, they use BC, CofC or BU. Why wouldn't Snow use "SC" if they are adamant that it is "Snow College?"
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00:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose The common name claims are false. For example, with BYU, they are normally referred to as the "BYU Cougars". It is not a universal practice to drop the term "College" from the name.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Who is assuming anything when the school itself refers to itself as "Snow" in their own athletic communications (see my link above). Even to the point where the article says "the Snow men did such and such," which sounds ridiculous. It is clearly different when a school uses an abbreviation with U in it vs. spelling out "College" or "University"
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Comment re story The
cited story is without a Byline (AP, Snow College, Athletic Dept, Student, or other). It is nearly verbatim with the version found at the
Daily Herald, also without a Byline/Attribution. So I challenge the blanket assertion of "own athletic communications." Regardless, rather than pointing to instances of (valid) counter examples, I point you to the athletic's website in total and the associated Google search results which demonstrate Snow College's clear preference by an order of magnitude of difference (11,500 vs 1,390 results).
UW Dawgs (
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It was posted on their athletic site, so it appears like they condone/don't mind the use. At a minimum they don't seem particularly "brand sensitive" about it. And your searches of "Snow Badgers" don't prove a lot when you have a representative example that just says "Snow" a ton of times (without "College" or "Badgers" after it) - search terms just aren't going to pick that up. At the end of the day, though, I really don't care and won't argue this anymore. It is a category with two people in it for a podunk JC that gets almost no indepedent coverage - not even sure the category is needed. It isn't worth spending any more debate time to me.
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21:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment Snow (College)'s
branding guide does not speak of how to refer to the school (i.e. forbidding use of just "Snow"), but it does, in all instances that I noticed, refer to itself as "Snow College" and never "Snow". —
X96lee15 (
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15:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)reply
This is pretty definitive, including "The institutional logo should not be altered or modified and should be used in its entirety. Snow without College should only be used with permission from the Snow College Brand Manager." There are 185 references to "Snow College" in their brand guide, vs 13 to "Snow *" with non-self referential context such as "The Snow 'S'" and "Badger Blue and Snow Orange." There are 4 references to "Snow College Badger" and none to "Snow Badger."
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Category:Lessepsian migrants
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Delete This is not defining for the specifies involved. As a broader comment, I think we have to consider why we have categorized some animals for literally all the countries they are found in, including
San Marino and Gibraltar. At times the number of categories some animal articles are included in borders on the ludicrous.
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Category:Czech cosmonauts
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Nominator's rationale: Since the "Czech" part of this category refers to the nationality and not the ethnicity, it would be more accurately placed at "Czechoslovak", much as the Russian people are in the "Soviet" category, as referred to the nation at the time of the individuals being cosmonauts. C67911:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Whether "Czechoslovak" or "Czechoslovakian" is a better term, should be considered with a discussion of the whole tree, since we have such categories as
Category:Czechoslovak writers and many others that use that term. We should either leave them all that way or change them all, not one at a time.
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Category:Interim and Acting Presidents of Israel
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Nominator's rationale: According to Israeli law, the Speaker of the Knesset acts automatically as interim or acting president when the presidency is vacant or the president is abroad. When the speaker is abroad while being acting president one of the deputies acts as president. basically this is part of the speaker's job definition, and has been practiced several times (Katsav fiasco was long so it was noticable). No real category here.
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Category:Cold-water aquarium fish
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Category:RSPB Medallists
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Most of the articles in this category don't mention the award in the lead and some (e.g.
John_Gummer) don't mention it in the text at all. This is not an ornithology-specific encyclopedia and for people like
David Attenborough and
Charles this is just one of many awards they've received. Additionally, (unlike things like Nobel prizes) some of the
recipients of the award don't (yet) have an article so the category does not create a complete list (i.e. the list forms a better list than the category).
DexDor (
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"This is not an ornithology-specific encyclopedia", true, but it's also
WP:NOTPAPER which is something oft forgotten. If the articles don't mention the award in the text, then that
needs to be fixed in the articles, not by removing the category. "The list forms a better list than the category" is something I don't recall seeing before and is also something I'm not sure is a reasonable argument as to why the category shouldn't be kept - "the category doesn't form a complete list", er, so? -
The BushrangerOne ping only02:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete The question is, is this award defining to recipients. In the case of many recipients the answer clearly is "no". If we have articles that make no mention of the person receiving it, than we should scrap the category. Awards categories are supposed to be limited to a very few. When some articles literally have over 50 awards cats places on them, we need to make major chances.
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Category:Musicial groups from Shizuoka Prefecture
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Category:Musical groups from Okinawa
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Category:Medal of Honor Recipients from Virginia
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Category:Members of the Archivists Roundtable of Metropolitan New York
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Delete and possibly listify. In almost no case should we have a members cat for an organization for which we lack an article. However, the vast majority of organizations that have articles do not merit membership cats either. Membership in this organization is not defining.
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On further investigation, we do not want to listify at all. I am not even convinced either of the two people who are in this category are notable, but even if they are, I see no reason to create a list for this unnotable group.
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Category:Indian pure aristocracy
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Nominator's rationale: I can't figure out what this category is for, or why it includes the word "pure", which is not mentioned in the head article
Khukhrain. Unless someone can clarify the purpose and scope of this unparented category, it should be deleted.
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Category:Foreign Members of the Cambridge Astronomical Society
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I don't see any reason to assume that there is anything defining about being a foreign member of an organisation whose name is unclear and whose non-foreign members are not categorised.
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Delete This is clearly not notable. The one article in the category is on someone who looks to be at best marginally notable, but the article is plagued by lots of unneeded detail. It also seems odd we have birth years for her parents but not her.
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Category:Chiropractors who are Olympians
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OK, point taken. Go ahead and remove it. Д-рСДжП,ДС
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Category:British India civil servants
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Oppose As I understand it, this is not a duplication. "British India" refers to the time when the UK had political control of India, while "Indian" refers to the time period after independence. So, it is akin to "Victorian British civil servants" and "21st century British civil servants". I also think that "civil servants" is broader than "Civil Service officers" as not everyone who works as a civil servant is an officer.
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Category:Prisoners of conscience in Azerbaijan
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Category:Bronze Age palaces in Israel
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Keep: There should be quite a few. I was a bit lazy when I made the category, but I'm hunting for a source that gives a nice list. For now I have the additions of
Aphek,
Hazor,
Lachish, and Tel Yarmouth (which currently lacks an article) to those lists. I'm pretty sure
Ashkelon could be added as well. Mind you these are only ones specifically referred to as having palaces in the New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy Land-except for Lachish, which I got from Lachish I. This is also only from a cursory glance of this one source and I can't do any in-depth research until Friday... maybe. Also, was I supposed to put keep or rebuttal, or something else? Never done one of these before...
Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 17 Adar I 5774
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Reply@
Flinders Petrie:. Thanks v much for that thoughtful response, and for demonstrating that my nomination was based on the inadequacy of my knowledge. Since the nomination was so clearly misplaced, I have struck it out, but I won't close the discussion yet in case any other editors want to add something. --
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Reply@
BrownHairedGirl: Quit being so hard on yourself! It's solely a function of my having access to harder to find books in two restricted-access places that makes referencing easier, and as a result of having prior experience with those books as a result of painstakingly searching for little bits of information on a specific site. Difference in access-to-resources is all that's at-play here, and it's not rare for even the best-regarded experts in this area to have a very narrow breadth of knowledge on a number of topics within the discipline. In fact, for this specific topic, after reaching out to colleagues, I only found one measily chapter in a book dealing with this subject, which thankfully expands the list a litte. So we have Tel 'Sera,
Tall al-Ajjul (in the Gaza Strip), and possibly
Shechem (possibly, thanks to there not being detailed field reports by the excavator). For the nomination, yeah I think it's best to leave it open, yeah. That way there can be recommendations for improvements/rationale for change. In fact, I think it might be best to rename it to Bronze Age palaces in Israel and Palestine, as at least one of the sites is in the Gaza Strip and the source is from 1992 (the presence of the palace hasn't changed, but the political boundaries have). Though that name might cause contention. Any way to frame that doesn't invoke Israel and Palestine? Southern Levant, maybe?
Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 17 Adar I 5774
19:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)reply
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Flinders Petrie: Thanks for your kindness, but I wasn't really being hard on myself. I was just pleased to find an XFD discussion working at its best! When I lived in the areas, I wasn't much into archaeology, so my nomination was based on the hope that if evidence existed that I was wrong, someone would provide it. I was pleased that you did :) I am wary of your suggested name change. The usual approach to geographic categorisation is to follow the current administrative/political map, and avoid combining areas; I can
find no other Israel and Palestine categories. --
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Category:Intergovernmental Universities
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Nominator's rationale: This category is for "Institutions of higher education established under international law, by intergovernmental organisations or by treaty." The current title does not describe the full scope, and is probably misleading in the case of the
United Nations University ... but I can't think of a better title.
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Merge Not a significant enough body to categorize by membership. Whether it needs an article is another issue, but it having an article would not justify this categorization.
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Delete. In addition to the reasons already provided, it's worth noting that even if such a category were warranted this would still not be its correct name under any of our
naming conventions for categories.
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Delete, inappropriate page created by inexperienced editor who may have intended a list; there is no need to convert it as the editor has not provided anything to indicate notability. –
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