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Category:Detainee in Gulag
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Category:South American wars of independence
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Nominator's rationale: First, a little context. During the early XIX century most latin american countries (at both Central and South America) started the
Latin American wars of independence against their Spanish metropolis. The most of it were the
Spanish American wars of independence, fought by the Spanish colonies, but there were also similar conflicts in Haiti (French colony) and Brazil (Portuguese colony). The thing is that there is no such a thing as "South American wars of independence": if we see them as a whole, they took place at both South and Central America. Besides, the "Latin American wars of independence" is more of an umbrella term than the name of a real conflict: the Spanish American wars were fought at different war theaters, which shared a common enemy and interacted between themselves, but the Haitian and Brazilian ones were merely contemporary: Spain did not ally with France or Portugal against their own colonies, nor the independentist Spanish Americans joined them in their conflicts. However, I'm proposing to rename the category to "Spanish American..." and not "Latin American... to save work: most entries are meant to be about the Spanish American conflict. It will be easier to rename that way, and then create the parent "Latin america..." category fixing the limited mistakes. The rename would apply as well to
Category:Battles of the South American wars of independence and
Category:People of South American wars of independenceCambalachero (
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16:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Agencies administered by Heinrich Himmler
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Highly redundant category and actually somewhat misleading. Himmler, as head of the SS, had authoritative command over the entire organization but did not routinely administer and run the various departments and sub-departments of the SS on a day-to-day basis. This category was also created with little to no discussion on any of the applicable discussion boards related to German history.
OberRanks (
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16:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete. As I wrote last night on this matter: I believe it is redundant to have new categories of both: "Heinrich Himmler" and "Category: Agencies administered by Heinrich Himmler"; the former is better than the latter; further, it really is mischaracterized to list the: Sicherheitsdienst, Gestapo, Ordnungspolizei, Kriminalpolizei and even the SS-Totenkopfverbände, as having been "administered by" him. They were subordinate departments, in general terms, to Heinrich Himmler in his dual capacities as Chef der Deutschen Polizei (Chief of German Police) and Reichsführer-SS; BUT, Himmler delegated direct leadership posts to the departments above. Heydrich, for example, ran the SD and Gestapo; then later, Kaltenbrunner and Müller. If one wanted to say, "Agencies subordinate to Himmler" that would be better; but with the new category of "Heinrich Himmler", it is really redundant.
Kierzek (
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22:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete We don't have a "Agencies adminstered by Barack Obama" It is not the person but the govermental structure is important.
Agathoclea (
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05:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Footnote: consensus has been shown to delete this Cat and in fact its content is now empty and therefore the "shell" should be deleted.
Kierzek (
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16:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete. There is no precedent for categorizing agencies by a particular person having administered them. Even if the category was accurate it would be creating a scary precedent that would open a flood-gate that would create a whole new excuse for overcategorization.
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03:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Salto (city)
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Category:People from Salto
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Rename Yes, rename. This is obviously ambiguous because there are more than one place named Salto, so how are we to know where these people are from, excatly?
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01:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Irish Presidential Election 2011
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Nominator's rationale: As of right now, this category is being used to hold people who are contesting their party's nomination for the presidential election, most of whom have yet to be selected (and by virtue of the fact that they're competing against each other, most of them won't get selected, either) — but per
WP:OCAT#CANDIDATES, we're not supposed to be using categories for that purpose. I'm willing to withdraw this nomination if the category can be rescued for a viable and useful purpose that doesn't include being added to individual wannabe-presidents (or being an unnecessary eponymous category for the primary article in isolation), but as currently constituted it's a delete.
Bearcat (
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09:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Objection: per
WP:OCAT#CANDIDATES, we should not have a category of this type, regardless of its name, for people who are largely still only potential candidates for president. If there's a valid potential use for this category which doesn't involve adding it to individual candidates, then I'd be happy to withdraw this objection — but if its only viable use at this time is the way it's being used right now, then it has to go.
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08:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Law firms of England
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Oppose Law firms are categorised by the location where they are based. In principle a law firm in England practising, say, U.S. law would go here - the jurisdiction would not be relevant. --
Mhockey (
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22:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom for now. Unless/until these are renamed to the "based in" naming format, I suppose it's best if these conform to a legal jurisdiction, which in this case is England and Wales.
Good Ol’factory(talk)05:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Question we seem to be ignoring the go for common usage rule. If people refer to them as English law firms, and say England to mean England and Wales (some even use England more probdly than that) does it really make sense to adopt the longer name?
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03:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Kuwait
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The result of the discussion was:delete and manually move into appropriate categories. Each person in this category has a different origin, so I'll put each into their appropriate places.--
Mike Selinker (
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15:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Strictly speaking, those listed aren't actually Kuwaiti people, but people of other nationalities who happened to be born in Kuwait. I think I tried to ascertain what the status quo was with this at the time I created the category as I'd written an article about someone from Britain who was born in Kuwait. I seem to recall my decision was influenced by the
People from Singapore category. I'd say keep and create some kinks.
TheRetroGuy (
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21:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment They're not really expatriates in Kuwait, more children of expatriates in Kuwait. I'm thinking of one particular case, that of
Jo Good who was born in Kuwait, presumably because her parents were based there at the time. In this case it is unclear as to whereabouts in Kuwait she was born, so People from Kuwait City is not appropriate here. Might I suggest we need some kind of solution to this since there are bound to be others who fall into this category?
TheRetroGuy (
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22:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)reply
If they are children of expatriates then presumably they too are expatriates, since children generally receive the nationality of their parents at birth.
Good Ol’factory(talk)23:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Exactly. If Kuwait does not have
jus soli, then, presumably, Jo Good can only, too, be an expat (with the nationality or nationalities of his parents. We could have an all-encompassing tree that collects both expats in and citizens of countries and then people whose status between these two choices which could not determined (where the immigration law of the country is unclear) could 'collect' here, but would that not be over doing it (having an overly elaborate 'system')?
Mayumashu (
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12:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment different countries treat these issues differently. I have read enough literature on immigration to the United States to know that once someone sets foot on American soil some scholars will refer to them as Americans. Also the United States has automatic citizenship for anyone born in the country. Kuwait on the other hand is one of the most reserved in granting citizenship, and like most other Gulf Arab countries has a large non-citizen locally born Arab population, as well as a large expatriate population connected with the oil companies. The one issue with expatriate as opposed to emigrate populations is how much does someone have to do in a given country to get listed as an expatriate there. There are some people who work for international conglomerates or in diplomatic services who have relocated so many times they could be put in a very large number of expatriate categories, and when these are X expatriates in country Y format they are often very small. In general I would say if someone is not connected enough with a country to be listed as a Fooian, then the reasoning behind putting them in a category related to that country might be flawed. Kuwait might be an exception since it does place such high hurdles against any non-Kuwaiti becoming Kuwaiti no matter how many generations their family has resided there, while at the same time having a large percentage of foriegners present.
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03:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Woolworth
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OpposeCategory:F. W. Woolworth Company IMO would be far more restrictive in particular as there are a a number of Woolworth companies not related to F. W. Woolworth Company but now categorised in the current category. Also I would apply the spirit of WP:COMMONNAME
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12:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)reply
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