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Category:Characters in Cats

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 09:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Characters in Cats to Category:Characters in Cats (musical)
Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if this classifies as a speedy but as there are many characters that are cats and so this is both to distinguish and to match the parent category. Simply south.... .. 23:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Trekkies

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 23:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Trekkies ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Category:Star Trek fans was deleted in 2006, and there has never been much dispute that we do not categorize people who are otherwise notable by their hobbies, interests, or fandom. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Video game companies by country

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Category:Video game companies by country is part of a super-mega-large categorization scheme for companies. For example, Category:Australian video game companies is ultimately part of Category:Companies of Australia by industry, which always lists their subcategories as "Foobar companies in Australia". Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Video game developers of New Zealand

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Category:Video game companies by country always lists "video game companies" and not "video game developers". I'm separating this one from above since the reason and rationale is different, and is possibly a speedy rename candidate, unlike the above. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Support generally.. but how do we know that, in that country, it's not actually common to call them 'developers'? Maybe in New Zealand all companies that produce video games are known only as video game 'developers'. <shrug> it's possible ;) -- œ ™ 06:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename. As someone in that industry, I can say that it's common in the US too. The term "developer" (once reserved for "a person who designs games") has come to be shorthand for "development house", so that it can be contrasted with "publisher," which putatively is a company that just publishes games. But that doesn't mean our little bit of jargon should be reflected in something as neutral as a category tree. Since many publishers have development houses, and many development houses publish, it's all too jumbled to make such fine distinctions. They're all companies, though.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 15:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Old Edwardians

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People educated at King Edward's School, Birmingham; Category:People educated at King Edward VII School, Sheffield; and Category:People educated at King Edward VI School, Southampton. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 06:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC) reply

Closer's notes

In this CFD, there is a local consensus to abandon the "Old Fooians" format, and "People educated at Foo" seems to be the most acceptable compromise. Whether a more general consensus exists to rename in a similar manner the other 300+ subcategories of Category:Former pupils by school in England will be determined in a future discussion; if such consensus proves elusive, then this change, too, should be reconsidered.

For the sake of summary, the options which were considered in this discussion included: "Old Fooians" (no change); "Old Fooians (Bar school)", where "Bar" is the location; "Former pupils of Foo"; "Foo alumni" or "Alumni of Foo"; and "People educated at Foo". The main argument for renaming was that "Old Fooians" is school-specific and obscure jargon, and the main argument against renaming was that "Old Fooians" is the official and common form used by the schools (and their alumni/pupils/students).

Two final thoughts:

Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: Rename to a plain English term which clearly conveys to the reader the purpose of the category, by using the same form of the name as is used in the text of the article: none of the 138 biographical articles in these categories uses the term "Old Edwardian" in the body text. Where they refer to the psrson ahving been educated at the school, they simply use the school's name. This is a followup to CFD Jan 7, in which Category:Old Edwardians was renamed to Category:Former pupils of King Edward VI High School for Girls, Birmingham.
Per WP:JARGON, "While some topics are intrinsically technical, editors should take every opportunity to make them accessible to an audience wider than the specialists in the field, and to a general audience where possible. Jargon should be explained or avoided." The Manual of Style at WP:JARGON specifically warns editors to

Avoid introducing too many new words for the purpose of "teaching the reader some new words" that are specialized to a field, when more common alternates will do

In these cases, "Old Edwardian" is a term used internally by the schools. Howver, it is meaningless to anyone unfamiliar with the internal terminology of the schools, and a simple plain English alternative is available. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:54, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Rename all per nom, per WP:JARGON, per this CFD and this one. Let's make these categories understandable for the widest possible audience. Timrollpickering ( talk) 21:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all – as I have stated many times, 'pupils' was replaced by 'students' in secondary schools in England in the 1990s so the suggested rename replaces a correct name which is used with an incorrect one which is not used. I would prefer 'alumni' to match the UK university tree if people insist upon fiddling around with names that have been used for centuries. (I do not myself perceive any consensus in either the recent cfd or indeed the previous one ('Old King's') on which it was based.) And why are the various other 'Old Fooians' and 'Old Edwardians' categories not being considered at the same time? The so-called 'jargon' is explained in the introductory text to each category anyway. Occuli ( talk) 21:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    Reply The old chestnut that these names "have been used for centuries" is misleading; however long they have been used, they remain in-house jargon, and have no wider currency. Note how the jargon terms are not used in any of the biographical articles these categories. They are utterly meaningless to anyone who is not already familiar with the schools' in-house terminology. The jargon can of course be explained in the category text, and I agree that it should be explained there. However, the category names appear on articles without explanation, and using meaningless category names impedes navigation.
    I nominated these categories because it makes no sense to convert one "Old Edwardian" category to plain English, but leave the others as jargon. A wider nomination may follow later.
    As before, I have no objection to using "students" instead of "pupils" if editors prefer that. However, it's a pity that Occuli rejects the MOS requirement to avoid introducing too many new words for the purpose of "teaching the reader some new words" that are specialized to a field, when more common alternates will do. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
It is used outside the schools, for instance rugby and other sporting clubs, eg Nuneaton Old Edwardians founded in 1910 originally "to provide rugby football for the Old Boys of King Edward VI Grammar School". [1] These clubs play in recognised leagues and are widely known. Cjc13 ( talk) 21:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
So someone familiar with the football team will assume that the category refers to footballers, rather than to former pupils. that's another good reason for using a plain English descriptive term rather than asking the reader to decode the jargon. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
No, because the football club would have F.C. or footbal club in its name, as in the example given. Cjc13 ( talk) 23:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Nuneaton Old Edwardians plays in Midlands 3 West (South) league. It's a minor local team, without any national significance let alone an international one. Wikipedia is written for a global audience, and your argument presupposes local knoeledge.
Even for those in Warwickshire who follow rugby and have heard of the team, So someone familiar with the football team will assume that the category refers to footballers, rather than to former pupils. that's another good reason for using a plain English descriptive term rather than asking the reader to decode the jargon.
You're asking readers to a) recognise an obscure term not used in the text of the article, whose plain English meaning is entirely different; b) infer that the absence' of a qualifier indicates that it means something different to the more familiar usage; c) infer that the absence of the qualifier indicates another specific meaning. Why? How on earth does using jargon rather than a plain English description assist the purpose of categories, which is to allow readers to navigate between similar articles? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
I still think what I said above is correct, but I have moved to support a compromise, "People educated at (name of school). See below. -- Bduke (Discussion) 21:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • We have indeed been here before, and it's a pity that some editors still ignore WP:JARGON wrt category names, despite the zero usage of the jargon in the articles being categorised. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    The articles generally do not describe the subjects as former pupils or alumni or former students. They naturally just say they were educated at X School. Your point is meaningless. Also WP:JARGON is about technical articles not about categories. -- Bduke (Discussion) 11:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    Bduke, please consult a dictionary to learn about the word "meaningless" before you use it. While you're at it, look up the word "jargon", e.g. in Merriam Webster: 2. the technical terminology or characteristic idiom of a special activity or group
    None of the articles use term "Old Edwardians". All of them say that the person was educated at X school, so the category name should also use "X school".
    If you prefer that the categories be renamed to "People educated at X school", I won't oppose that ... but I since both "People educated" and "former pupils" are plain English descriptions, I don't see why you would prefer the more verbose construct. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 12:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    OK, I think "People educated at X school" would work. First, it is clear that people like you who spend a large amount of time on categories are not going to stop pushing until they get rid of all these names. I for one have better things to do than comment on every proposal you make. I only came here because I am an "Old Edwardian' from Sheffield. Second, it avoids terms like student, alumni, or pupils which are used in some cases, but are strongly objected to in other cases. It covers all these categories in a neutral way and it should be applied to at least all UK School old boy or old girl categories. Other countries may differ. "Alumni" is perfectly general in the US, but it certainly is not in the UK. Finally, it steers clear of the question whether these categories should be named by the term used in the title of the old members association, by the people concerned and by the school, by concentrating on the name only of the school itself. So, let us go for Category:People educated at King Edward's School, Birmingham, Category:People educated at King Edward VII School, Sheffield and Category:People educated at King Edward VI School, Southampton and then try a general CfD for the rest. It is time for a compromise. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    "People educated at X school" is OK with me. It feels a little less familiar than "Former pupils/students", but it's clearly understandable plain English which requires no prior knowledge of the topic. As you say, it's a compromise, and we need some solution which allows us to put this issue to bed, so let's run with that. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:50, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename all WP:JARGON. These categories have nothing to do with oldtimers of the Edwardian period for these cities. 64.229.103.232 ( talk) 05:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The Birmingham category will not do as it is as it applies to several schools. We recently had a discussion of former pupils of King Edward VI High School for Girls, Birmingham, who are also Old Edwardians. I have not seen the outcome of that. Old Fooian is commonly used in UK; the problem is that it is not always easy to convert "Fooian" into the name of the school. In the case of Old Edwardian, that is not a problem, because it will refer to a school founded (actually usually refounded) by Edward VI, but there are perhaps 100 such schools, not all of which have "Edward VI" in their name. Thus we need a disambiguator. This is not the right place to discuss whether for English schools we should use "former pupils"; "former students"; "Old Boys", etc. That would require a much wider nomination, covering all the Old Fooian categories, or at least a substantial sample. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
    • We can of course look again at the rest of these categories, but at CFD Jan 7 we already decided not to use "Old Edwardians" (that's the one which you haven't seen, but I linked to it the nomination). That's why this nomination seeks to tidy up only the "Old Edwardians", to ensure some consistency amongst that subset. Unfortunately, instead of trying to help build consistency, some editors who oppose the previous decision have chosen to open a DRV but instead to try turning this CFd into a re-run of the last one. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom and WP:JARGON. "Old Edwardians" = "Old people of the Edwardian era", to virtually everybody who'll see these categories. Non-intuitive category names should only be used when there's no alternative; here, there clearly is. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment WP:JARGON refers to article contents, not the title of articles, so is not really relevant here. Also if these titles are jargon then so is the use of alumni. Cjc13 ( talk) 20:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
And how would that be, when "alumni" is a word that everybody knows and understands what it means? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
To some people "alumni" is a unknown word. Cjc13 ( talk) 21:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
But are you seriously suggesting that more people don't understand "alumni" than don't understand "Old Edwardians"? Anyway it's kind of moot, since the proposal is for using "former pupils", not "alumni", and I have little doubt about which—between "Old Edwardians" and "Former pupils of ..."—one would cause more confusion and which one would cause less. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
My point is that just as "alumni" is widely understood so is "Old Edwardians" so there is no need for the long-winded "Former pupils of...". Since in this case there is more than one group of Old Edwardians, some clarification is required to avoid ambiguity. I would suggest perhaps a change to Category:Old Edwardians (King Edward's School, Birmingham) etc or similar to avoid any ambiguity. Cjc13 ( talk) 23:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
But if we had to select one for being most clear, which would we pick? I also like the suggestion above to use "people educated at FOO". Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
"Old Edwardian" is not widely understood. I consider myself well-read, but I had never even heard of the term before now. The vast majority of people will be confused by the term "Old Edwardian", disambiguated or not - your proposed alternative will just have them thinking 'old people from the Edwardian era who went to King Edward's School'. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
"Old Fooian" is widely understood as in "Old Etonian". Cjc13 ( talk) 12:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
We can sit here all day and say such-and-such is widely understood, but the real question is which version is clearer. We have to compare the options. And you haven't answered the question of which you think would be more clear. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? I've never heard "Old Etonian" either. Or "Old Fooian" at all with regards to people who'e been to any college. "Formal pupils", as suggested, is clear to everybody what is being referred to. "Old Fooians" is not. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:17, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
If the current title is clearly understood than there is no need to change it. Cjc13 ( talk) 19:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
It may be understood by you, but it clearly is not by everyone. Your reluctance to say which you think would be more clear is telling. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
For me the most clear would be Category:Old Edwardians (King Edward's School, Birmingham). Cjc13 ( talk) 12:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC) reply
I do find that curious and unusual. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:45, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply
"Old Etonian" is very much the exception that proves the rule and it's telling it's the example constantly raised. That one is so well known because of the dominance of the school's output (and the debate about that). The vast majority of the Old Fooian terms are not widely known and are often difficult to translate back into the name of the school for those outside the Old Boys networks and inter-networks. Timrollpickering ( talk) 14:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
"Alumni" are people that graduated from an educational institution. Unfortunately, within Wikipedia categorization, "Alumni" seems to have become jargon for anyone who stepped foot on a campus and maybe took a class, regardless of their graduation status. RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Not true. Most definitions define "alumnus" as a "graduate or former student" of an institution. See, e.g. One doesn't need to be a graduate to be an alumnus. If a person graduates then they are a "graduate". Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:59, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Alumni, however, is a term generally only used for universities in the UK. Timrollpickering ( talk) 14:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
I agree. We should stick to "students of" or "pupils of" or "educated at" rather than "alumni". Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
The first 2 google hits on alumni school uk relate to secondary schools (the 2nd hit being one of the schools discussed above); although I concede that the majority of the top 100 are medical schools etc, a good number relate to secondary schools. Alumni becomes more prevalent in UK schools each year, along with other US imports such as 'proms' and Halloween. Occuli ( talk) 17:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
I'm looking at that link and I don't get those results. The top hit I see is for an international directory of independent/private schools with the English page. The second is for a university department. Everything else on the first page is for universities and/or business schools. Timrollpickering ( talk) 18:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
You have now !voted twice in this discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC) reply
I remeber when sock puppets actually bothered to have separate login IDs. People are just getting lazy nowadays. RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
My previous entries were a suggestion and a comment, I had not previously expressed a specific vote. Cjc13 ( talk) 11:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename all, preferably to "(school name) alumni" but regardless, to something with actual content. I have never understood these categories, because as someone who lives thousands of miles away, I have no idea what secondary schools exist in the UK, and these categories can't be bothered to educate a benighted foreigner like me. So I look at all of them and think "that's a mass of completely information-free names." Why would we want categories that produced that result?-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 16:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. The term "alumni" is not widely used in the UK as it is in the US. It has come to be used in universities but much less so in schools. Note that the term "school" never refers to a university in the UK, although it may refer to an academic sub-section of a university. Category:Alumni by university or college in England is about universities and post-18 colleges, not about secondary schools. The reason why I suggested "people educated at (name of school)" is that it is neutral. "alumni" is not as some people think it is an unfortunate US introduction. "pupil" is not, as some people think it refers to younger children. Someone above commented that "alumni" has become more popular since "Friends United" started. I think that may be correct. It is influencing language in the UK. If we use the term "alumni" we too will be influencing language in the UK because wikipedia is now very significant. That is most certainly not our job. We report the culture of a country, not alter it. So, could people please address the suggestion of ""people educated at (name of school)" for UK, and perhaps other countries influenced by the UK, particularly as it has been supported by the nominator here. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to use some prepositional phrase and a proper noun, as opposed to campus-specific demonyms (Edwardians, Aggies, and such). ― cobaltcigs 19:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Rename all in the category tree to "People educated at X" as this is the clearest and simplest form. Standardisation and international understanding are more important than using specific local terms resulting in inconsistency and possible confusion throughout the category tree. McLerristarr |  Mclay1 15:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. The fact that several different schools use "Old Edwardians", including one in Johannesburg and another in Sierra Leone, (see Old Edwardians), suggests that this is the common name as per WP:COMMONNAME. Cjc13 ( talk) 00:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC) reply
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Modern weapons part two

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The result of the discussion was: Merge, delete and rename all per nom. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Modern weapons part two
Propose deleting Category:Modern air-to-air missiles
Propose merging Category:Modern anti-aircraft guns to Category:Anti-aircraft guns
Propose deleting Category:Modern anti-ship missiles
Propose merging Category:Modern howitzers to Category:Howitzers
Propose deleting Category:Guided missiles in current service
Propose renaming Category:Modern firearms of Switzerland to Category:Firearms of Switzerland
Propose merging Category:Modern rifles to Category:Rifles
Propose deleting Category:Modern firearms
Propose merging Category:Modern field artillery to Category:Field artillery
Propose deleting Category:Modern artillery
Propose merging Category:Modern anti-tank missiles to Category:Anti-tank missiles
Propose deleting Category:Modern Austrian weapons
Propose deleting Category:Modern Azerbaijani weapons
Propose deleting Category:Modern weapons of Canada
Propose merging Category:Modern Chinese weapons to Category:Weapons of the People's Republic of China
Propose renaming Category:Modern Chinese anti-tank missiles to Category:Anti-tank missiles of the People's Republic of China
Propose deleting Category:Modern weapons of the Republic of China
Propose merging Category:Modern rifles of Finland to Category:Rifles of Finland
Propose deleting Category:Modern weapons of Finland
Propose deleting Category:Modern Indonesian weapons
Propose merging Category:Modern Mexican weapons to Category:Weapons of Mexico
Propose merging Category:Modern Turkish air-to-surface missiles to Category:Air-to-surface missiles of Turkey
Propose deleting Category:Modern missiles of Turkey
Propose renaming Category:Modern Turkish anti-tank missiles to Category:Anti-tank missiles of Turkey
Propose deleting Category:Modern Turkish weapons
Propose merging Category:Modern Pakistani weapons to Category:Weapons of Pakistan
Propose merging Category:Modern Peruvian weapons to Category:Weapons of Peru
Propose merging Category:Modern Philippine weapons to Category:Weapons of the Philippines
Propose deleting Category:Modern weapons of the United Arab Emirates
Propose merging Category:Modern French air-to-surface missiles to Category:Air-to-surface missiles of France
Propose merging Category:Modern French anti-ship missiles to Category:Anti-ship missiles of France
Propose renaming Category:Modern French nuclear warheads to Category:Nuclear warheads of France
Propose merging Category:Modern French weapons to Category:Weapons of France
Nominator's Rationale: Per the disucssion here. A second batch of "modern weapons" categories which, as noted in the previous CfD, is a nebulous, indiscriminate, and non-preferred type of categorisation. The cats nommed for deletion have been checked to ensure no articles would be orphaned. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Support all mergers, but the categories nominated for deletion should for preference be upmerged or at least merged somehow to ensure that appropriate categorisation information is not lost (but without preserving redirects); I have not checked the nominated categories myself. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Video game companies based in Maryland

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Video game companies of the United States. Ruslik_ Zero 15:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Video game companies based in Maryland ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only US state category. Category:Video game companies of the United States seems sufficient to me. The alternative would be to create categories for all states, which I suppose could be done too, although I don't think should be done. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Towns founded by Afrikaners

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 15:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Towns founded by Afrikaners ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Largely empty category, somewhat trivial criteria. WP:OVERCAT, specifically [ intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation] HiltonLange ( talk) 17:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment -- since prior to European settlement, there probably were no towns in South Africa, I would have thought that this would virtually be a duplicate of "towns in South Africa", or possibly of those in certain of its provinces. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Populate: There have to be a large number of potential articles to Peterkingiron's point. RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
    • The primary reason for my nomination was that WP:OVERCAT, perhaps I shouldn't even have mentioned it was a largely unused category currently. First of all, Peterkingiron's assertion is false and incredibly Eurocentric. For an example, take a look at the Kingdom of Mapungubwe or Great Zimbabwe. Additionally, establishing precisely who founded a given town is an exercise in futility. Is it the first permanent settlement there? Is it the nationality of the last people to raze the previous settlement to the ground and start rebuilding from scratch? This lack of verifiability is another reason this category serves no useful purpose on WP and should be deleted, IMHO. -- HiltonLange ( talk) 07:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
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Common Era

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The result of the discussion was: Delete both. Ruslik_ Zero 15:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Common Era ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Before the Common Era ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Recently created categories, with no criteria for inclusion. Perhaps rename to "Millennia of the Common Era" and "Millennia before the Common Era", but I don't really see the purpose. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:33, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all. Courcelles 23:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Delete all: Nominator's rationale: One off categories which appear to have been crafted for one individual player (Brian Roberts). Note: Category:Maccabiah competitors by sport not recommended for deletion as populated category.no other individual sports categories, to the knowledge of this nominator, found related to Games in question. Rms125a@hotmail.com ( talk) 15:04, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pakistani development specialists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 15:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Pakistani development specialists to Category:Development specialists
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Only one page in this category. Other countries don't have their own national subcats for Category:Development specialists, which only has 63 pages plus this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Sports in Düsseldorf

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 15:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Proposed renaming' Category:Sports in Düsseldorf to Category:Sport in Düsseldorf
Nominator's rationale: There is currently 17 subcategories in the Category:Sport in Germany by city, and all are in the style of Category:Sport in city X, except Düsseldorf. A renaming would make all subcategories uniform, provide a clear naming guideline for future entries and help when searching for them with hotcat. The current name actually made me miss it when searching for it with the later. Calistemon ( talk) 11:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pocketbike

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 2. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Pocketbike to Category:Minibikes
Nominator's rationale: Category should match main article name ( minibike), and use standard Category-namespace convention of plural not singular. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 09:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Railway attractions in Maryland

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The result of the discussion was: Delete all three. Ruslik_ Zero 15:31, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Railway attractions in Maryland to both parents
Nominator's rationale: Merge to both parents. Single entry category with limited growth potential. This is another one from Hike so I'm not sure what the reasoning for this was. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Rivers of the Puget Sound Watershed

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 09:13, 6 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Rivers of the Puget Sound Watershed ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Single entry category where it appears that the category is being used in place of an article. Let's get an article on the watershed first, then we can add categories if needed. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
• Nemaha River basin
What is this text here for? Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Apparently that was added by Twiceuponatime. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Basins of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Structural basins in the United States and Category:Geological depressions in the United States. Ruslik_ Zero 09:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Basins of the United States to Category:Structural basins of the United States
Propose renaming Category:Depressions of the United States to Category:Geological depressions in the United States
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basin is ambiguous. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Codename: Kids Next Door characters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles 23:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Codename: Kids Next Door characters ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category, most of the characters of Codename: Kids Next Door got merged or deleted due to lack of sources. JJ98 ( Talk) 07:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Stanley Cup championship templates

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Stanley Cup championship templates ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. The current consensus is to delete such Stanley Cup championship templates (see example TFD discussions: 18 April 2007, 12 October 2007, 23 November 2007, 21 April 2008, 12 May 2009, 14 June 2009). The only other page currently in this category is a user sandbox subpage, which would also most likely be posted on TFD if it was ever moved to the main article namespace. Zzyzx11 ( talk) 07:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Existentialist films

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 15:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Existentialist films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: I can find no factual basis for the implied claim of this category. What exactly is the definition of an "existentialist film"? The films with which the category has been populated seem to share very little in common, ranging from sci-fi to drama to war films. There are a few films listed here that might be said to relate somewhat directly to the philosophical movement of Existentialism, but even that is a stretch. Most of these seem to be random. RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 03:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep This is part of a larger scheme of Category:Existentialist works and the inclusion criteria can simply be presenting existentialist themes (angst, despair, radical freedom, authenticity, etc.) If there can be existentialist books, plays, novels, etc. (and there are), then there can be existentialist films as well. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 05:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Some of the other Existential Works sub-categories seem to have become a bit of a gathering ground for works by Philip K Dick and Bolesław Prus (the latter not usually regarded as an existentialist?) and ripe for pruning to more rigorous inclusion criteria. AllyD ( talk) 19:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • At this point, Delete Sampling these articles shows, in ten or so examples, that two-thirds give no justification of the categorization at all, and the other third have an uncited statement in the lead claiming the presence of unidentified existentialist themes. Perhaps there may be a couple of exceptions, but at the moment it looks as though reducing this category to properly cited members would empty it. Mangoe ( talk) 18:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Quaint it is to see Zorba the Greek nestling up to Persona. While someone might seek to illustrate existentialism by reference to some of these films, existentialism is not a defining characteristic of the films. If at all, such "affinity" can be discussed (and properly referenced) in the Existentialism#Film_and_video article, but categorisation just doesn't work. AllyD ( talk) 19:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Delete As well as the comments above it should be noted that, as with all things philosophical, it would be difficult, in the extreme, to get a set of criteria that all would agree upon. In other words my interpretation of existentialism will differ from the next persons. For example I watch John Huston's final film The Dead on Jan 6th every year. I feel that it fits my understanding of existentialism to a tee. I doubt that others would agree or that, as Mangoe points out, I could find sources to back up my interpretation. MarnetteD | Talk 23:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom as vague and somewhat subjective. Also created by a sockpuppet of a banned user. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Seems to have been interpret as "Films with exestential themes", which in itself is extremely vague. Smetanahue ( talk) 10:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Tolstoyism

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Tolstoyism to Category:Tolstoyan movement
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Should this be renamed to match the main article Tolstoyan movement? Tolstoyism redirects there and the two terms seem to be synonyms. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Basins of the Gulf of Guinea

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Basins of the Gulf of Guinea to Category:Atlantic African basins
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Another single entry category. Upmerge to parent until we have more articles and maybe a main article. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Member bodies of IFAC

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Member bodies of IFAC to Category:Member bodies of the International Federation of Accountants
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Suggest renaming to match International Federation of Accountants. IFAC is ambiguous. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Atlantic North American basins

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom. Ruslik_ Zero 08:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Atlantic North American basins to Category:North American watersheds of the Atlantic Ocean
Propose renaming Category:Atlantic African basins to Category:African drainage basins of the Atlantic Ocean
Propose renaming Category:Atlantic South American basins to Category:South American drainage basins of the Atlantic Ocean
Propose renaming Category:Atlantic European basins to Category:European drainage basins of the Atlantic Ocean
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Basins is ambiguous. Watersheds is the normal name in North America. The proposed name, while longer, reads better. If someone has a better alternative, suggest it. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Basins of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence

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The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 04:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Basins of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence to Category:Atlantic North American basins Category:North American watersheds of the Atlantic Ocean
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Single entry category with limited growth potential with the existing articles. I think the encyclopedia would be better served if we had an article for this area before the category. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Beatified people from Thrissur District

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer ( talk) 21:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Beatified people from Thrissur District to Category:People from Thrissur district
Nominator's rationale: Merge. This seems like way overcategorization at this stage. We don't even have Category:Beatified people divided by country or nationality at this stage, let alone divided into subregions of countries. This is currently the only one of its kind and both articles are currently in Category:Beatified people already (but they are not in the target category). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Merge per nominator. Shyamsunder ( talk) 10:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Climbing Injuries

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 2. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Climbing Injuries ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. I think that this topic would be better addressed exclusively in the article climbing injuries. Most of these injuries— carpal tunnel syndrome, tennis elbow, golfer's elbow, etc.—are not injuries that are limited to (or even most commonly experienced by) climbers. If every sport or activity categorized what injuries could be suffered while doing that activity, we would have mass overcategorization. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Critics of the LaRouche Movement

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 09:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Critics of the LaRouche Movement ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete as a trivial and unnecessary intersection. Rms125a@hotmail.com ( talk) 02:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Belinda

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Belinda to Category:Belinda (entertainer)
Propose renaming Category:Belinda songs to Category:Belinda (entertainer) songs
Propose renaming Category:Belinda albums to Category:Belinda (entertainer) albums
Propose renaming Category:Belinda video albums to Category:Belinda (entertainer) video albums
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Suggest renaming to match Belinda (entertainer). Belinda is ambiguous. Category:Songs written by Belinda (entertainer) and Category:Belinda (entertainer) album covers already exist. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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Category:Monmouth University Department of Art and Design

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC) reply
Category:Monmouth University Department of Art and Design ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:New Jersey Animation programs ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:New Jersey Graphic Design programs ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:New Jersey Photography programs ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: These four categories each contain one article ( Monmouth University Department of Art and Design) and several redirects to the categories. A single department of a university does not require so many categories, particularly when they do not fit into an established categorization scheme. Upmerging is not appropriate, since the topic is too narrow for the parent categories, and not necessary; the article (a possible candidate for merging or deletion) is otherwise sufficiently categorized in Category:Monmouth University and Category:University and college departments. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 01:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC) reply
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