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Nominator's rationale:Merge - to all parents except the film series one.
small category with no growth potential, not needed to navigate between the films as they are linked through the articles as well as through their infoboxes as sequels. If kept, at least rename to
Category:Airport film series to clarify that the category is not for films about or set in airports.
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22:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional media
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. Appear to be covering the same territory. Reverse merge is also acceptable although I do have a preference for keeping the works category.
Otto4711 (
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22:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Redistribute Newspapers are media, not works, as are most tv programmes & software. Some of these have sub-cats for fictional editors etc. Plays, books, poems and encyclopedia are works. Maybe works should be a sub-cat of media. The maps appear to be mostly real maps of fictional topography & maybe should not be in either of these.
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16:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Comics based on fiction
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I think I'm going to withdraw this nom. I think you've pointed out a weakness in the "...novels" convention. Going to think about this further. -
jc3712:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Films based on foo books
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For Biggles, the article is currently categorized as a science fiction film. It involves non-magical time travel so I assume it qualifies. As for Yellow Sky, do we have a Genre films based on plays structure? If so I'd put it in Western films based on plays if it exists. Not really sure what the concern is.
Otto4711 (
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23:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Just that Biggles, for example, is a sf film based on a book with no sf elements whatsoever. There aren't any <genre> films based on <literary form> categories. I don't have an objection to <genre> films based on novels, just pointing out the difference.
Her Pegship (tis herself)23:59, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional timelines
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Oppose. Not all timelines in fiction are fictional, so the two categories would cover different ground. As an example, take the
Flashman books. These stories take place against a meticulously accurate factual timeline, that from the 1840s to the 1900s. Though some (but not all) of the characters are fictional, their actions are largely dictated by real historical events. That is, they operate on a non-fictional timeline that is nonetheless a "timeline in fiction".
Grutness...wha?02:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, an historical novel is fiction, hence the word novel. The timeline used in it, however, need not be fictional - not all historical novels use alternative history timelines. At least some use true historical timelines, such as in the example I gave above. As such, renaming this category would be incorrect.
Grutness...wha?01:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The timeline is fictional. I think you're confusing an historical timeline of the setting, with the fictional timeline of the novel. And of course we should never see historical timelines in this category, regardless of it's name. -
jc3701:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
If anything, it is you who are confusing - or more precisely conflating - the two. Both the timeline of the story and the timeline of the setting are, by definition, timelines in fiction. Only one of them is fictional, however. The current category name makes it clear that only one of these is welcome in this category; the new proposed name does not. You say, correctly, that we should never see historical timelines in this category, yet we would be likely to if the category name were changed in the way you propose.
Category:Timelines in fiction would easily cover things like
Timeline of Georgia (U.S. state) in the American Civil War, since it is used in fiction as the backdrop of Gone with the Wind. As such, it is a timeline in fiction. It is not, however, a fictional timeline, and that is why the current name is far clearer and more sensible. This, by the way, is also what makes this a different case to the one on comic storylines that you cite in your nomination as a comparison. Storylines in fiction are, by definition, fiction, and as such, there is no problem with them being categorised without the addition of the word "fictional", as that is implicit. The storylines may take place against real events, as in the cases I have named, but those real events never form the storyline, only providing colouring, motivation, or backdrop for it, or a timeline against which the story can be based. And therein lies the rub. A storyline - always fictional and with its own fictional timeline - can take place against real events and a real historical timeline. Just as you could not blithely change
Category:Fictional events to
Category:Events in fiction, as many events in fiction are factual events used as colouring and causation, so too removing the word fictional for timelines becomes a thorny issue and opens the category up to the potential for ambiguity.
Grutness...wha?23:15, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is "timelines in fiction", not "timelines used in the creation of fiction". I honestly doubt that someone would place actual historical timelines in this catgory in the ways you state for the reasons you state. -
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Category:Albums produced by Richard Landis
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Keep and populate (the nom has emptied the category, eg
29 Aug 08 and there are at least 10 articles which belong). Here we have a producer with sole production credits on several notable recordings so one would suggest that he is notable (whether he has a page or not).
Occuli (
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14:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm truly surprised to learn that TenPoundHammer emptied this category immediately after taking it to CFD, as he's been around (here) long enough to know how much that bothers people when it's done. So please repopulate the category so we can see what we're talking about, TPH.
Cgingold (
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02:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep - The fact that there is no article about a particular producer is hardly a reason to delete an otherwise viable category. If anything it suggests that there's an article that needs to be written.
Cgingold (
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11:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
This is a cfd, not an afd on 'Richard Landis'. 'Produced by Richard Landis' is a defining characteristic of an album produced solely by RL, of which there are 7 or 8 (so far).
Occuli (
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17:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete: Until such time as he has an article and has notability. If we were to categorise things by non-notables they had in common, we'd be here until the cows come home.
Narson (
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16:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete - per my comments at
Category_talk:Albums_by_producer if the producer doesn't have an article than he shouldn't have a produced by category. Unfortunately the conversation rather fizzled after I made my suggestion so perhaps it's time to revisit the proposed guideline.
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22:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional Roman Catholics
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Category:Catholic comic book characters
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Category:Dark Jedi
Category:Star Wars Sith characters
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus (gives a renom a clean slate to work from, esp if you're only going to nominate one of these).
Kbdank7115:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
While I understand that
Dark Jedi and
Sith have a slightly different semantic meaning in the
expanded universe, these cats are nearly identical, and should be merged.
I don't oppose listification of
Category:Dark Jedi. Since there is a slight "in-universe" difference. But as the commenter above notes: Lord of the Sith is a fairly clear distinction.
Dark Jedi is a bit more elusive in definition. And note that there are characters that have wielded the powers of the Dark Side, which are currently Jedi, not Dark Jedi. (
Mara Jade, comes to mind.) So at this point: ListifyCategory:Dark Jedi and Delete. KeepCategory:Star Wars Sith characters. -
jc3700:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
To the closer - Since there seem to be several ideas for a resolution, please either relist this, or else close as "no consensus" (presuming that's appropriate), and I'll renominate. -
jc3721:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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