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Comment: The term appears to be used in this context: it gets about 20,000 non-wiki hits.
[1] If the category and supporting article are to be deleted, it should be under
WP:SYNTH or
WP:OR. But it's not clear to me if these apply. I lack expertise to hold an informed opinion about the subject.
CRGreathouse (
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17:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment CRGreathouse's findings are that the term is used in physics, not in mathematics, so moving it to impossibility proof seems to be changing the idea of the cat. --
Trovatore (
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19:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: I like the name impossibility proofs, but I don't think anything in the category other than Arrow's theorem is actually frequently called that. I hope I'm wrong.
CRGreathouse (
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05:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't see how the uncertainty principle is an impossibility proof, or indeed a proof, period. A better name, which I have seen at least once somewhere, would be limitative results. --
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Category:Celebrities who were victims of aviation accidents
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Nominator's rationale:Merge - the only "occupation"-based subcategory of the plane crash victims category, which is not so large as to require subdivision.
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Category:People with alcoholism
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The result of the discussion was:delete. Articles can be (very carefully) added to the "self-identified" category if there are sources that support the self-identification, but I will not do an automated batch merge since not all of them self-identify as such.
Good Ol’factory(talk)05:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT-related lists of television episodes
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Nominator's rationale: Delete - single-item category that seems very unlikely to expand any time soon. No prejudice to re-creation should there be a sudden spate of LGBT-related TV episodes.
Otto4711 (
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17:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment I assume that there are LGBT-related episodes on television produced in other countries. Given the growth of these LGBT-related categories, wouldn't it be likely that more such lists are on their way?
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16:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I have seen no evidence of the development of such other lists. Indeed, the sole occupant of the category was originally a general list, not one specifically for American shows. From the time the list was created in 2005 to when I moved it per a suggestion on the talk page in February of this year, there were never any episodes from any country other than the United States included to the best of my knowledge. However, there are many entries from other countries on other lists at the series level. I take this to mean that there is not a great deal of interest among editors to document individual television episodes in other countries. But again, if such lists do get created at some point I have no objection to re-creating the category.
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Category:LGBT-related lists
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Support The awkwardness of the current tiles is only exacerbated by the insertion of "-related". In all cases, the events, characters, people, periodicals and television programs are LGBT-related, not the lists.
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Bayern Munich
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. At present, the sub-categories in
Category:FC Bayern Munich are inconsistent in their naming. Some begin "Bayern Munich..." while others begin "FC Bayern Munich...". I believe it is appropriate to achieve consistency within the category and between the main category and its sub-categories, hence this renaming request. –
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Category:Capital One Citrus Bowl champion seasons
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Category:House of Jayata
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Category:Texas State Cemetery burials
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Delete - where one is buried is rarely if ever defining. A good list (albeit unreferenced) already exists in the main article for the cemetery and a sourced list, which can be sorted by such things as date of burial, is a superior way of presenting burial information.
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Category:Ethnikos Piraeus players
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Nominator's rationale: Ethnikos Piraeus is a multi-sport club; this category is for footballers, and there are articles for other sports sections of the club which could accidentally get added here.
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Category:Knockoff companies
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Nominator's rationale: Delete This is essentially an attack category which makes an accusation of illegal activity and singles out two countries.
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Category:Scouse culture of the early '80s
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Keep Liverpool has had a notably active cross-cultural scene in the past, and this peaked separately in both the '60s and '80s (with apologies to the avant garde theatre, which might reasonably argue for another peak in the '70s). Although this has always been dominated by music, it's characteristic of Liverpool's scene that it was also cross-cultural, albeit with a strong slant towards a counter-culture (e.g. the radio pirates) rather than traditional establishment culture and the Phil.
This is a narrowly specific category that refers to a brief period in time and place, but not at all in the sense of intersection that
Wikipedia:OC#NARROW warns against. As it already has 17 members with no effort and some obvious gaps left to fill (the pirate radio articles in particular) there's no shortage of relevant content to include. A background article would be excellent, if someone cares to write it, but the category is too open-ended for a simple "list of..." to work well.
"Music in Liverpool" has no sense of the time (the place is still over-dominated by that popular beat combo and its "music" is too often seen as only meaning the early '60s). There's also the point that we shouldn't exclude Birkenhead. This was the rationale for its creation with this scope and title, although better ideas for wording it would be welcomed. As a concept that has both cohesion and content, without excessive overlap or coupling to
Category:Music from Liverpool et al. then I think the category should stand, and with the members it currently has.
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17:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)reply
keep Liverpool's music scene in the early 80s was stylistically distinct from that of other time periods, and there are enough articles existing to make a meaningful category. The scene of that time is frequently referred in to as being a distinct thing of its own. Deserves a category.
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18:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Celebrity Writers
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Rename. At the least, the title of the category isn't according to
WP:Naming. I'm not sure what to make of this category. The criteria for inclusion is a bit vague. Does this mean any celebrity who has ever written anything? Book authors? Does it extend to lyricists, celebrities who might have written an article for a magazine, a screenplay? Fiction? Does it include musicians and actors - people with actual job titles, or just people who are famous for being famous? Autobiographies? A great number of actors, for instance, write an autobiography at some point. It seems to be a catch-all type of category that has the potential to be over-populated mis-populated. I am not at all sure I support this category and so am withholding keep or delete right now.
Wildhartlivie (
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04:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I share your concerns. And a renaming would be appropriate (and needed anyway as "writers" should not have a capital). The concern with the vague nature of celebrity would apply to all the celebrity cats, though that is more a case of defining the cats accurately rather than not having them, as people do have an interest in celebrities and the very nature of celebrity. How about "Celebrities who have written a book"? SilkTork *
YES!08:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:Celebrity writers, but tighten inclusion criteria and cleanup. We've defined
Category:Celebrities as including "a person who is famous for being famous", but most of these people included here are famous for some other criteria.
Tila Tequila is probably a good match, but
Billy Crystal is an actor,
Ed Koch a former mayor of a sizable city and
Jane Fonda is independently known as an actress and for encouraging the people of North Vietnam to rise up and get themselves into the best shape of their lives with her series of exercise videos (or so I recall).
Alansohn (
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15:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Occuli really needs to understand that the contents of a subcategory are not directly parented in the top category. And if someone wanted to create
Category:Socialite writers and populate it I would have no objection in principle (although I might on the merits), because that is the direct intersection between the two relevant parents,
Category:Socialites and
Category:Writers.
Otto4711 (
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19:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment. I'm leaning towards delete unless someone can provide a convincing case for combining writers who are celebrities into a category with celebrities who are writers, which is the case with the current name. And that is before the we consider the sub categories like
Category:Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences founders. Would any the individuals in there who wrote screenplays be included in
Category:Celebrity Writers? Exactly what do you need to write? Bottom line is that this may be a POV category and probably is also going to be ambiguous unless the name is changed to limit this to books, but is that an arbitrary classification? If Kept rename to
Category:Celebrity book writersVegaswikian (
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21:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment -- The problem here is not with this category, but with the concept of celebrity, which depends on POV. This needs to be reconsidered as part of a CFD for "Celebrity".
Peterkingiron (
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23:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
In all seriousness, I think we've examined all the angles and pretty much exhausted the possibilities. There doesn't appear to be any viable option for turning this into an acceptable category. QED: Delete. Notified creator with {{
subst:cfd-notify}}Cgingold (
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13:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete.
WP:ILIKEIT does not justify keeping. The fact that the parent celebrity category exists or has other subcategories is not a justification to keeping. Then there is the point raised that it is not likely that any of these can meet
WP:V which means a cleanup nightmare.
Vegaswikian (
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23:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete for being a vaguely named category; besides, numerous "celebrities" have written books/magazine features etc. so this could also arguably be unencyclopedic.--
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22:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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