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The result of the debate was closed as ongoing.
the wub
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18:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Keep - There are many other tv series who have similar categories with a shorter shelf life. As Charmed has been on for 8 years with a number of known actors I believe the category should stay.
Artemisboy
23:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Australian immigration
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The result of the debate was rename.
the wub
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18:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Australian immigration to
Category:Immigration to Australia
- Rename - All of the other categories in
Category:Immigration are named "Immigration to X", which is unambiguous. This category should be renamed not only to conform with the naming convention used in oter categories but also to clarify that the subject is about immigration into Australia, not immigration out of Australia.
Dr. Submillimeter
23:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Australians do not "immigrate" to other places; they "emigrate" - if you want to use the word in the context you have used, you have to say something like "The immigration of Australians to Romania", etc; there is no other way you can use the word. Additionally, "Australian immigration" is more concise and easier to type; I can never understand why all the category changes always end up with the text two or three times as long. People do not always go for the correct usage; they go for the quickest, and with my point above this category should stay as is.
JROBBO
10:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Darkwing Duck villains
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The result of the debate was upmerge.
the wub
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14:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Darkwing Duck villains into
Category:Darkwing Duck characters
- It doesn't appear from that CfD that the idea of merging up any further than that was considered. There is not a parent
Category:Batman characters and perhaps there should be and the villains category should be merged there. I can't say as if I'm familiar enough with Darkwing Duck to know whether the "villains" ever "switch sides" in the way that led to various villain categories being seen as POV (e.g. Magneto, Catwoman, Emma Frost, all of whom were categorized as "villains" despite having spent good chunks of their "careers" as "heroes"). It was the first of these series-specific categories I noticed. My feeling though is that there's no reason to keep separate villain categories when there's a "characters" parent cat to upmerge.
Otto4711
04:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete As with many other villain cfds, I'm generally opposed to villain categories based on POV problems with the term.
Dugwiki
17:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Upmerge, the category should be deleted as with all "villain", "hero", "antagonist" and "protagonist" categories.~
Zythe
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18:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep (and aghast at responses so far) - It's a cartoon villain! I'm sorry, but it's not POV to call
The Joker a villain, or do you seriously propose that we remove the word "supervillain" from the article on him because it's POV? Fiction is purposefully written to be over good and over bad.
146.186.44.199
19:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep, categorization of characters as villains is not POV or trivial. --
Noneofyourbusiness
01:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Upmerge - As discussed previously, the label "villian" may suffer from POV problems, and characters frequently switch from being "evil" to "good" or vice versa. Categorizing characters as villians is therefore inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter
07:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete/merge per nom.
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03:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Animation villains
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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19:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Delete per many recent POV deletions of hero, villain etc. categories and articles.
Otto4711
19:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Xiner (
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19:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. --
Mikedk9109
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SIGN
19:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete As above, there is currently pretty good consensus that "villain" categories are too subjective.
Dugwiki
21:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as with all "villain", "hero", "antagonist" and "protagonist" categories.~
Zythe
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18:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per above for prior consensus, subjectivity.
Doczilla
08:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep per my comments above (again, aghast at responses so far).
146.186.44.199
19:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep, categorization of characters as villains is not POV or trivial. --
Noneofyourbusiness
01:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - As discussed previously, the label "villian" may suffer from POV problems, and characters frequently switch from being "evil" to "good" or vice versa. Categorizing characters as villians is therefore inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter
07:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge to
Category:Animated characters. Some of these characters will become uncategorized by source if we delete. I hope people voting delete will reconsider this option.--
Mike Selinker
16:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Villain groups
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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20:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Delete per all recent CfDs to delete villain categories as POV.
Otto4711
18:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per Otto. --
Mikedk9109
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SIGN
19:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Xiner (
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19:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as above and per previous "villain" afds
Dugwiki
21:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as with all "villain", "hero", "antagonist" and "protagonist" categories.~
Zythe
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18:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per precedent.
Doczilla
08:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep per my answers above.
146.186.44.199
19:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep, categorization of characters as villains is not POV or trivial. --
Noneofyourbusiness
01:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - As discussed previously, the label "villian" may suffer from POV problems, and characters frequently switch from being "evil" to "good" or vice versa. Categorizing characters as villians is therefore inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter
07:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep As before, the role of a villain is most easily defined. But specifically the grey area is a weak case here because groups either operate under a consensus or are a collectively driven race. There's either a continued operation despite a defector or two, or the group is dismantled; rarely is their a collective "switch" involved. I'd also like to add that lots of recognised legitimate categories can easily be confliced by perspective issues. --
Bacteria
14:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I don't think villain is half as subjective as people might think. I hardly think anyone would get upset if someone classified
Klingons in the villain category, though they've switched back and forth in Star Trek.
Part Deux
21:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Child villains
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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20:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Delete per recently emerging consensus to delete villain categories as POV. Has the additional definitional/POV problems that go with child-named categories. This was nominated previously and closed with no consensus following a very small smaple size.
Otto4711
18:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per Otto. --
Mikedk9109
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SIGN
19:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Xiner (
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19:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as above and per previous "villain" discussions.
Dugwiki
21:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as with all "villain", "hero", "antagonist" and "protagonist" categories.~
Zythe
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18:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per above.
Doczilla
08:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep per my answers above.
146.186.44.199
19:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep, categorization of characters as villains is not POV or trivial. --
Noneofyourbusiness
01:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - As discussed previously, the label "villian" may suffer from POV problems, and characters frequently switch from being "evil" to "good" or vice versa. Categorizing characters as villians is therefore inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter
07:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Literature villains
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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21:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Delete per all the previous deletions of hero, villain, protagonist, antagonist categories and articles. POV, subjective, etc.
Otto4711
18:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per Otto. --
Mikedk9109
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SIGN
18:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Xiner (
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19:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per previous villain discussions.
Dugwiki
21:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as with all "villain", "hero", "antagonist" and "protagonist" categories.~
Zythe
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18:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per above. This is more vague and subject to POV than "antagonist."
Doczilla
08:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep per my answers above.
146.186.44.199
20:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong keep, categorization of characters as villains is not POV or trivial in literature or any other medium. --
Noneofyourbusiness
01:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - As discussed previously, the label "villian" may suffer from POV problems, and characters frequently switch from being "evil" to "good" or vice versa. Categorizing characters as villians is therefore inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter
07:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep. I've made my argument before. The villain is a clearly defined role in fiction, even more than that of the hero... outside of comic books (and I'm assuming we're excluding the
Supervillain categories). --
Bacteria
14:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge to
Category:Characters in written fiction. Some of these characters will become uncategorized by source if we delete. I hope people voting delete will reconsider this option.--
Mike Selinker
16:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:National Medal of Arts recipients
Category:Namesakes of streets in New York City
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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14:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Delete; namesakes are better served by a list if at all since the reason for naming can be put into context—that
Mother Cabrini and
Robert Fulton share this category informs us very little of either of them otherwise. Moreover, certain figures have numerous streets named after them (
Martin Luther King, Jr. comes to mind) and a proliferation of categories for namesake streets in various cities would clutter the article. -
choster
15:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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09:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Not sure what this one's title should be, but this sure ain't it. A combination of dodgy grammar and use of the singular makes this a very unappealing title.
Category:Cities that are the most populous in a nation, perhaps...? Any better ideas are welcome!
Grutness...
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04:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Hmmm... How's deletion for an idea? A category is not really a helpful way to view that information.
List of capitals and largest cities by country does the job and there's little point in having an alphabetical list of cities which happen to be the largest in their country if you don't know what country they're in. Pop quiz, what countries have Yerevan, Koror, Honiara, Palikir, Majuro, Vientiane as their largest respective cities?
Pascal.Tesson
05:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, the cat Pascal gives is more than sufficient.
yandman
08:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete in favour of merging/rationalizing/adding population figures to
List of national capitals,
List of capitals and largest cities by country,
List of countries whose capital is not their largest city... Regards,
David Kernow
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11:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge per Kernow.
Xiner (
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15:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep and listifyI am in favor of separate list articles for each of the aforementioned topics in addition to categories. I also think a Template is in order.
TonyTheTiger
16:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete This opens up the issue of how to define a city, and takes a black and white view on that.
Pinoakcourt
17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per yandman. --
Mikedk9109
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17:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Unnecessary; the list covers this more than adequately, and a category is the wrong way to organize it. Delete.
Bearcat
03:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and Pinoakcourt (too many definitional problems for a category), but expand details in list per David Kernow. --
BrownHairedGirl
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12:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep and Rename. The only changes that this category needs is in it's name, and if it was split into categories by Continent then that would also help alot. Otherwise, it looks to be a great reference.
Blackjays
07:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete This category does nothing that a list couldn't do better.
Honbicot
17:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, should be a list.
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03:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Banned films
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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete.
Robdurbar
09:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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Pretty sure that this was already deleted but can't find the relevant debate again. I'm not even sure I agree that it should be deleted but that was the community's decision as far as I remember.
Pascal.Tesson
01:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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Xdamr
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02:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete and salt recreation of excessively broad, vague category. Maybe your mom banned a movie from your home when you were a kid. We don't care about that here.
Wryspy
04:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete.
the wub
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14:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as
nominee category, also do we really want Awards by ethnicity? --
Prove It
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01:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per
Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Intersection_by_ethnicity.2C_religion.2C_or_sexual_preference.
Wryspy
04:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per Wryspy --
Mikedk9109
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04:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete the point has been made time and again that such ethnic over-categorization is not a welcome addition.
Pascal.Tesson
05:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- delete per nom.
Pinoakcourt
17:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete Over-categorization and other races would not likely be categorized similarly. If properly used as category this would omit members from the proper parent category of Oscar nominees (which this cat does not use).
TonyTheTiger
17:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - It would be "award winners (or nominees) by ethnicity"; nothing wrong with categories, if necessary, for awards targeted to particular identity groups -- e.g., there are lots of awards for "young scientists", "young activists", and the like, and it would be useful to group them if the definition of "young" were at all uniform. If there are also lots of awards for particular ethnicities or whatever then a cat for the awards is helpful. --
lquilter
00:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and
TonyTheTiger.
Wilchett
03:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
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03:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Roman helmets
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The result of the debate was merge.
the wub
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14:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Roman helmets into
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- Merge, There is only one type of Roman helmet in this category, should just lump it in with the rest of the equipment in the "Roman armour" category. -
RJASE1
01:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge unneeded over-categorization.
Pascal.Tesson
05:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I created this category thinking it would be fuller than this, but it has not turned out that way. I have made some attempt today to populate it, so Keep, but if it's still felt it's underpopulated I'ld have little problem with Merge (if all the helmet entries were then put, say, as 'Category:Roman armour|Helmet').
Neddyseagoon -
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The result of the debate was rename.
the wub
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18:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename to
Category:University of Memphis alumni, they changed their name in 1994. --
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01:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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