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Category:Social justice and poverty

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The result of the debate was no consensus Tim! 19:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Social justice and poverty ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Delete - See the nomination for Category:Social justice below. It is unclear as to what "social justice" means, as it appears to be a catch-all phrase for virtually any activist movement or other things. If Category:Social justice is deleted, this should also be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 22:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I think it is pretty clear what "social justice" means in this context. futurebird 00:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete "Social justice" is just a media friendly term for socialist redistributive policies and liberal permissive ethics. It is designed to exclude things that I regard as socially just, like support for marriage. In short it is biased. Annandale 01:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep the wiki is a strange place, only here could you have a debate about something like this. If we are talking about "anti poverty efforts" then maybe we could rename it. I think it is very useful. JJJamal 01:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
    • In the PC establishment-controlled media few dare to challenge politically correct orthodoxy because they know how vindictively the politically correct liberal establishment treats people who dare to express independent views. Wikipedia is a much better reflection of society as a whole, though still controlled by PC orthodoxy to some extent. Wimstead 13:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename - I'm not sure to what, but there has to be a clearer name. I have no problem with a category that covers articles on campaigns to ameliorate poverty, or anti-poverty efforts, or whatever exactly we want this to be. Metamagician3000 04:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Much too vague. I don't like "anti-poverty" either, which casts a warm glow over efforts which may or may not genuinely be motivated by concern about poverty and may or may not actually reduce poverty (on the whole the "anti-poverty" movement probably increases poverty by opposing free global trade). Wimstead 13:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, but rename to Category:Anti-poverty campaigns. The category system should provide some means of grouping articles relating to campaigns and other efforts to alleviate poverty and promote what its propononents call social justice. Whether one regards this as a form of godliness or, (per Wimstead) as part of some liberal delusion, is an irrelevant POV issue. The question for CFD is whether there can be a useful category to group together articles on this subject, and what it shoud be called.
    As far as I can see, there are articles such as International Day for the Eradication of Poverty and Make Poverty History which ought to be categorised together.
    However, I think that the category as presently structured tries to do too many things, and that renaming it to Category:Anti-poverty campaigns will keep it more tightly focused on campaigning; a parrallel category, called perhaps Category:Poverty alleviation could look at practical efforts such as as food banks, and (per Wimstead) other forms of poverty relief. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or merge to Category:Poverty. "Social justice" adds nothing but an assumption that all poverty is unjust. Craig.Scott 23:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • keep, even if some people here believe that poverty and hunger are perfectly just, this is still a big issue, with a lot written about it, under this title. We don't change things because we 'know' that "socialist redistributive policies and liberal permissive ethics" would be a better name than the one everyone else uses. That would be OR. We just use the names things are given. Regards, Ben Aveling 22:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Social justice

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 20:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Social justice ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Delete - This is an all-inclusive category that seems to include everyone and everything that is somehow connected to social issues. The category contains a few lines of text that say, "This category includes disparate topics which pertain in one way or another to matters of the human condition by creating a social structure which is allegedly more democratic, just, and considerate of individuals from all social stations." This description is not only vague and all-inclusive, but it also pushed a point-of-view with weasel words. Looking at the contents of the category, it includes things such as articles on democratic rights movements, equal opportunity movements, labor rights movements, anti-occupation movements (such as for Northern Ireland and Palestine), prisoners' rights movements, and a few odds and ends (such as libertarianism and the Roman Catholic Church). It also contains articles on people associated with any of these things and probably other things that I have not identified yet. I find it particularly funny that both Category:Pro-choice movement and Category:Pro-life movement are both in this category. Anyhow, given the overwhelming breadth of this category, its vague title, and its POV interpretation, it seems like it would be better to categorize things under more specific categories (such as "labor rights movements" or "pro-democracy activists") rather than in this one broad category. Hence, this category should be deleted. Dr. Submillimeter 22:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep- It is harder to know what it means in this context. futurebird 00:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, especially the comment about pushing a point of view with weasel words. Annandale 01:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - meaning too vague and contestable. Metamagician3000 04:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete POV category. Wikipedia should not have an opinion on what constitutes "social justice" of on the underlying motivations of political campaigns. Wimstead 13:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong keep. The concept of social justice is one with a lot of different meanings, but they all amount to applying the notion of justice to groups of people rather than to individuals, so I have no problem with this category including both sides of the abortion debate. However, the wishy-washy category text should be replaced with something much more rigorous. That would probably lead -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
  • Delete per nom. Any policy or belief that is intended to amend society in any way that anyone thinks is right is concerned with social justice - and that doesn't rule many things out. Craig.Scott
  • Weak keep - not very useful as a bottom cat, but if articles can be rapidly diffused into subcats, it remains useful as a higher level organizing category. -- Blainster 19:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:NBA All-Star Game Venues

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:NBA All-Star Game Venues ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Delete - This seems similar to categorizing performers by performance. The NBA All-Star Game can potentially be played in any high-capacity basketball arena, and the location changes from year to year. Conserquently, many facilities have hosted the game. Therefore, this category indicates little more about the facility other than that it is a large basketball arena. However, the category does contribute to category clutter, as seen at Madison Square Garden. The category's contents are already documented at NBA All-Star Game, which is probably better for navigation anyway. Given these reasons, I suggest deleting this category. Dr. Submillimeter 20:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, or at least rename to Category:NBA All-Star Game venues. I think this kind of information works better as a list. -- Prove It (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Reduplicative names

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 19:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Double-named places to Category:Reduplicative placenames
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, since "double-named" is insufficiently precise (double could just as well mean competing, successive, amalgamated or bilingual names) and is used elsewhere in Wikipedia to signify names assembled from two names. The resulting hierarchy would then be:
Category:Reduplicants
Category:Reduplicative personal names
Category:Reduplicative placenames
Category:Double-named places in Australia
The Australian subsection is in my opinion overkill and should be upmerged. No separate category of "Reduplicative English words" is required, since these are adequately listed in the Reduplication article. Tacitus 20:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Propose merging Category:Double-named places in Australia into Category:Reduplicative placenames
Nominator's Rationale: The higher-level category currently has 19 items and the Australian sub-category currently exceeds it with 22 items. After the merger it will be plain which items are Australian, because they will have state names after them. Tacitus 20:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
You got there before I could finish editing! ;-) Geographically they might have nothing in common, but this is a toponym category of interest to linguistics. Tacitus 20:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment - If this is really of interest in linguistics, then write an article on it. Categories should be used to bring together articles with similarities. These articles are not about related places. Dr. Submillimeter 21:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - As the creator of the category, naturally I think it should exist (but, of course, I'm biased). Frankly, if a category for fictional penguins is considered valid enough for Wikipedia, I don't see why this isn't. I found the idea to be of linguistic interest, but I am not well versed in that subject, so I would not presume to write an article on it. *shrug*. Keep it, or delete it. I've duplicated most of the info on my own web page and so would not consider it a loss to be removed.

Swestrup 21:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

  • Keep do not rename - the new name is linguistically clumsy. There is nothing to say that the category has to link like topics geographically - to link like topics linguistically is perfectly legitimate. Do not merge with Australian - there are adequate numbers of Australian articles at present to justify separate category. There may well be more articles to add to that category - some yet to be written since our coverage of Australian places is not 100% -- Golden Wattle talk 23:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Golden Wattle . The new name is indeed clumsy and the current one is clear. The Australian category is usefull. -- Bduke 05:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I agree it is an interesting category; must admit 'reduplicative' is a meaningless word to me, whereas double-named is descriptive, so would favour the latter; I like the Australian category - it is interesting and should be kept ROxBo 00:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Strong keep per Golden Wattle. It's nice to see some sensible debate on renaming categories and good to see people are in favour of keeping something that isn't linguistically clumsy and hard to think of. JROBBO 00:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, useful category. I don't think the new suggested name is any better than the existing, but I'm open to better ideas for renaming. Double-named places just doesn't sound right to me. -- Longhair\ talk 10:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Double-named places in Australia

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The result of the debate was keep Tim! 19:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Double-named places in Australia to Category:Double-named places
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Category:Vanished (TV series) characters

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The result of the debate was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Vanished (TV series) characters ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - Category contained about a dozen stubs for characters from the show, which was cancelled before all of its episodes aired. I merged and redirected all the character pages per WP:FICT and the category is now empty. Otto4711 20:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

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Category:Categories of American people

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The result of the debate was merge into Category:American people

Category:Categories of American people to Category:American people
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Internet by country

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The result of the debate was rename all. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Russian Internet to Category:Internet and Russia
Propose renaming Category:Internet in New Zealand to Category:Internet and New Zealand
Propose renaming Category:Internet in the People's Republic of China to Category:Internet and the People's Republic of China
Nominator's Rationale: Eight of the eleven subcategories of Category:Internet by country use "and", which seems appropriate given the loose relationship between the internet and national boundaries. Haddiscoe 19:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Comedy and humor in India

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Indian comedy and humour. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Comedy and humor in India to Category:Indian comedy and humour
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, to the usual word order and Commonwealth spelling. Haddiscoe 18:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Psycho cast members

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete. This was part of the CFD discussion to remove Actors by series categories. The result of that debate was to delete after listifying. Since there is a list, this category can be deleted without another discussion. It seems pointless to have to post this a second time once the lists are created. All of these categories are in the process of being tagged with {{ listify}}. As long as the listify template was correctly added to the category page as a result of a CFD discussion, and the replacement list exists, is there any need to repeat the debate? We don't have guidelines for this, so I'm being bold and sticking my neck out to say that there is no need to clutter up CFD with categories that we have already made decisions about. -- Samuel Wantman 20:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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Delete Single member category. A list containing the information within this category(!) already exists within the article.

Xdamr talk 17:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply


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Category:Lists of military professionals

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The result of the debate was merge Category:Lists of military professionals into Category:Lists of military personnel

Category:Lists of military professionals to Category:Lists of military personnel
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Category:Vanished (TV series) cast members

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per Psycho category above. -- Samuel Wantman 20:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Category:Vanished (TV series) cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - per this Actors by series CFD cast categories may be deleted if a suitable cast list exists. Vanished contains an extensive cast list which is sufficient. Otto4711 16:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply


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Category:Queer as Folk cast members

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per Psycho category above. -- Samuel Wantman 20:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Category:Queer as Folk cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Per CFD for Actors by series, "cast" categories may be deleted if a suitable cast list exists. The articles for both the UK and the US version of this show have extensive cast lists which satisfy this condition. Delete as nominator and as category creator. Otto4711 16:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply


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The result of the debate was delete as recreation violet/riga (t) 17:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:The Simpsons guest cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Sorry but is it really of that much interest that a person has happened to contribute a few words to The Simpsons? Talk about the overloading of categories! Before the debate starts in the other direction they shouldn't appear as a cast member either. Delete it. violet/riga (t) 15:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete - per this CFD for Actors by series, a cast category may be deleted if a suitable cast list exists. List of guest stars on The Simpsons covers this territory better than a category could. The existence of the several other cast categories that Lugnits linked is not relevant, as they too may be deleted in favor of a suitable cast list. Otto4711 16:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: delete (depopulated already).-- Mike Selinker 11:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC) reply

I've depopulated this category as almost all characters in it were already in Category:Dragon Ball characters. One of the main problems I have with it is how to define supporting character, as it's subjective. Beowulph 13:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply


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Category:List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted by Woohookitty. Vegaswikian 23:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:List of fictional characters who can resurrect themselves to Category:Fictional characters with the power to resurrect themselves
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, "List of" is not necessary. Also I fear this has been CFD'd before, so count my nomination as Rename/Delete, although I'll add it may be useful to subcategorise the hefty immortals category. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 12:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Rename Beowulph 13:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Rename Yes, that's it! Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Rename As said before List of is unessesary. - Dark Dragon Flame 17:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
Addendum: I'd also suggest Salt for this cat, the previous two, and the proposed rename. — J Greb 04:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result of the debate was no consensus Tim! 19:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC) reply

Merge into Category:The Beatles songs, somehow this strikes me as overcategorization. -- Prove It (talk) 06:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result of the debate was no consensus. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Delete, I think this is covered by Category:Former monarchies of Africa or Category:Ancient Empires of Africa. -- Prove It (talk) 06:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply
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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Deakin University alumni. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Rename to Category:Deakin University alumni, convention of Category:Alumni by university in Australia. -- Prove It (talk) 05:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Go man...go Jaker5 12:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

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Category:Daytime actors

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The result of the debate was delete; WP:CSD G4 applies (G5 does not, Creepy Crawler is blocked rather than banned). Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Daytime actors ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete category that is unnecessary and redundant to other categories. Category name makes no sense either. Outside the people who habitually refer to soap operas as "daytime," this could mean people who do afternoon shows on Broadway. Should qualify for speedy delete as recreation of previously deleted categories. Category was created by User:LedgerJoker, suspected sockpuppet of User:EJBanks who had been a sockpuppet of banned user User:Creepy Crawler. Wryspy 02:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply

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Category:CGI Films

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The result of the debate was delete. Merge came a close second, but ProveIt and Bbagot's arguments convinced me, and there's only one article. -- RobertGtalk 10:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:CGI Films ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Redundant, and obviously in the same scope as Category:Computer-animated films. Slg r a n d s o n ( page - messages - contribs) 00:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC) reply