Wikipedia:articles For Deletion Zoom Vacations

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG\ WP:NCORP. Kleuske ( talk) 18:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC) reply

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Delete fails WP:CORP. gets passing mentions in gnews, mainly advertorial. LibStar ( talk) 01:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Weak Keep, I think the point of WP:BASIC is that there needs to be a way to account for subjects that have enough non-trivial coverage to amount to substantial coverage. WP:NCORP rules out non-notable awards as passing mentions that amount to trivial coverage. However, if we deem these awards to be notable in the field, then the subject probably passes BASIC.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Keep meets GNG especially when non-English sources are added in. I did see a lot of advertorial coverage but I expect that with all travel companies. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 16:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC) reply
- Adverts do not convey notability. Care to share the significant coverage you have found? It may improve the article. Kleuske ( talk) 16:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  - Well, here’s a link to at least a dozen. I suspect that they are so well regarded that every LGBTQ travel site that isn’t direct competition will have coverage on them. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 17:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    - Those are basically adverts, based on info provided by the company themselves, a.k.a. churnalism. They even get the foto credits. That’s hardly the kind of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, CORPDEPTH calls for. Kleuske ( talk) 08:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC) reply
      - But they do help meet GNG. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 12:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply
        Actually, no they don't just as you can't substitute a bucket of broken glass for the lack of one large piece. Graywalls ( talk) 10:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment. So far I’ve found:
- "7 Tour Operators Specializing in LGBT Travel". Leisure Group Travel. 2018-04-07. Retrieved 2020-05-09.</ref>
- "For LGBTQ travelers, river cruises are the rage". NBC News. Retrieved 2020-05-09.</ref>
- "Readers' Choice Awards 2008 Part Five". www.outtraveler.com. 2008-10-10. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Lone Star Chic". www.outtraveler.com. 2009-04-10. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Fall 2008 | Ten Trips that will Change Your Life". www.outtraveler.com. 2008-06-27. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Winter 2007 | Readers' Choice Awards 2007". www.outtraveler.com. 2007-10-18. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Fall 2006 | Safari Sojourn". www.outtraveler.com. 2006-08-15. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Exclusive | Get Out, Give Back!". www.outtraveler.com. 2009-01-23. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Tour Operator Spotlight: Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2008-12-11. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
Tour of the week:
- Karlin, Rick (February 15, 2016). "Pro Progress: Cuba Shines as a LGBT-Friendly Travel Destination". Miami Herald.</ref>
- "TRAVEL Carnival in Rio: Plan 2016 now - Gay Lesbian Bi Trans News - Windy City Times". www.windycitymediagroup.com. Retrieved 2020-05-09.</ref>
- "Brazil, how to prepare - Gay Lesbian Bi Trans News - Windy City Times". www.windycitymediagroup.com. Retrieved 2020-05-09.</ref>
- "Tour of the Week: India with Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2011-05-06. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Tour of the Week: Madrid Pride with Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2011-04-15. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Lone Star Chic". www.outtraveler.com. 2009-04-10. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Tour of the Week: New Years in Rio with Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2010-11-19. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Tour of the Week Guatemala with Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2011-02-18. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
- "Tour of the Week: Peru with Zoom Vacations". www.outtraveler.com. 2011-06-17. Retrieved 2020-05-08.</ref>
Most are brief mentions, however they can yield some content to build a good article meeting GNG. This is also an older entertainment company so much of the coverage they got was never online so that shouldn’t be held against them. In their field they seem to be highly regarded. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 12:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply

- comment All of those Out Traveler would collectively considered ONE SOURCE, and it's not totally an independent source especially if Zoom Vacations has a business relationship with the publication as an advertiser. NBC only has a trivial mention. See WP:MULTSOURCES. Graywalls ( talk) 10:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

keep When googling a found multiple uses of the term in news articles. https://www.forbes.com/sites/loisaltermark/2020/04/10/these-dream-destination-backgrounds-turn-your-zoom-into-a-tropical-vacation/, https://www.businessinsider.com/travel-themed-zoom-backgrounds. Both of these articles elaborate how this has become a trend and are from reputable sources. This is also a very current and timely topic that people may be googling. dscotty26 ( talk) 18:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply
- comment see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Forbes CONTRIBUTORS are not considered a reliable source. Business Insider is undetermined, but that is about Zoom app and vacation and has NOTHING to do with Zoom Vacations the company. Graywalls ( talk) 10:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bryan Herb; that article is about the "co-owner, and chief marketing officer" of Zoom Vacations, and chair of International LGBTQ+ Travel Association. -- Closeapple ( talk) 04:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Delete run of the mill boutique travel agency. WP:MILL, WP:NCORP. News paper running articles about traveling during recession. That's not really all that unusual. Graywalls ( talk) 16:49, 16 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Delete Per above comment above relist note. KidAd ( talk) 03:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Delete None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability, topic fails WP:GNG/ WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply

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