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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sulfurboy ( talk) 08:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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No in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources can be found to substantiate nor prove article’s subject is notable hence fails WP:GNG. Indeed the lack of sources in this case is more than obvious. AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 13:17, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable pornographic performer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - he was rated by Instinct (magazine) as one of the 10 greatest gay porn stars ever. Bearian ( talk) 00:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- @ Bearian: I don't think that being into such a list makes you notable, there are thousands of lists like that which basically are the author's favorite porn actor (infact there is not a page for each of them on wikipedia). Never the less you should add it to the article because at the moment there is hardly anything at all in the sourcing.-- AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 09:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Bearian and the awards the subject has won. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 21:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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Godsy: you know that since we have deprecated pornbio those prizes don't count anything anymore, don't you? --
AlejandroLeloirRey (
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22:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- The deprecation of pornbio means that the consideration of such awards is no longer codified, but not that they are completely irrelevant. —
Godsy (
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22:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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Godsy: well, we decided that they do not prove any notability anymore. anyway, do we have any source that he actually won those prizes at least? --
AlejandroLeloirRey (
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00:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ AlejandroLeloirRey:Wait, my understanding is that it was decided that awards do not prove any _additional_ notability; per current WP:N there is nothing saying that porn performers are punished compared to the other performers - therefore, usual WP:GNG / WP:BIO / WP:ENT should apply (and satisfying ANY of them is good enough to establish notability). Now, if there is a (non-porn) actor with a dozen awards in their field, would we consider these awards for notability? I think yes, and then, based on the logic above, we should consider these awards when speaking about notability of a porn performer. Ipsign ( talk) 15:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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Godsy: well, we decided that they do not prove any notability anymore. anyway, do we have any source that he actually won those prizes at least? --
AlejandroLeloirRey (
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00:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- The deprecation of pornbio means that the consideration of such awards is no longer codified, but not that they are completely irrelevant. —
Godsy (
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22:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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Godsy: you know that since we have deprecated pornbio those prizes don't count anything anymore, don't you? --
AlejandroLeloirRey (
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22:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep He seems notable in his field.- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per above, likely interviews and articles exist but many publications of his time would be off-line. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 08:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per both WP:GNG (multiple awards do indicate multiple sources), and per WP:ENT ("has made... prolific... contributions"). Ipsign ( talk) 15:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ Gleeanon409: "likely interviews and articles exist" is not an argument here @ Ipsign: as far as I know, awards and being prolific since pornbio has been deprecated do not count toward notability anymore, which is the only important thing when we decide to keep a bio. -- AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 16:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Bearian - Meets PORNBIO & GNG. – Davey2010 Talk 14:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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