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Comment What metric are you using to measure notability? Seems way too subjective and the
WP:BIO page does little to actually explain what is expected. But, should we slavishly adhere to WP:BIO, it suggests that entertainers with a large fan base or a significant "cult" following are notable. Yara Sofia has a large fan base. Lack of active cites is concerning, however.
Ausymptote (
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21:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hi
Ausymptote, like every other on Wikipedia, the facts must be shown to be true. Find reliable secondary sources from third parties that describe the large fan base, in an impartial manner, and the article will be show be notable. This is my last comment on this. scope_creepTalk21:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Ausymptote It is a bit subjective. The coverage needs to be "significant," which most editors understand to mean that an article needs to be about the person or talk about them at length rather than simply listing them or mentioning them. The source needs to be "reliable" which most editors understand to mean at minimum local print or tv media, or if an online-only source, at minimum a major regional/special-interest outlet. Blogs, Youtube, etc. don't count. Straight interviews don't count. And having a large fan base or cult following isn't by itself enough; that fan base or cult following needs to have been talked about, again in a reliable source. So it's not enough for her blog to get lots of hits or her twitter to have lots of followers. Someone has to have MENTIONED the fact her blog has lots of hits or her twitter feed has lots of followers. Someone has to be talking about her/her fans/her cult following at some length in a reliable source. In general many editors will agree that even as few as three such sources shows notability, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule; at that minimum, many editors will want to know that those three sources really are both clearly reliable and provide definitely significant coverage.
valereee (
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12:22, 19 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Hi,
OMGshNicholas unfortunately none of the sources say those things about her. I've gone through all the sources (many of which were dead links, which I removed) and none of them are reliable sources of significant coverage. The ones that are reliable barely mention Sofia, and the ones that give her significant coverage are not reliable. She was on a notable reality/elimination television show twice, but she didn't win either season which means she isn't automatically notable for that. She may very well have a large fan base, but no one is mentioning that it's unusually large for a member of the gay community or for a drag queen. If she's made unique, prolific, or innovative contributions to the field of entertainment, I'm not finding it mentioned in reliable sources.
valereee (
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17:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak Delete – I feel that
WP:BLP1E may apply here. I may change my vote if people can successfully argue otherwise. ––
Redditaddict69(talk)(contribs) 06:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC) Changing vote to Weak Keep — I feel like there is some coverage to help for GNG in what is mentioned below now but I may revisit later to see if there is enough. The coverage isn’t from any major national publications however this definitely helps to diverge away from BLP1E, my main concern from before. ––
Redditaddict69(talk)(contribs)18:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Hello @
Redditaddict69:. Given the info below, are you still leaning Weak Delete? I am not sure if you're following this conversation. I'm not incredibly invested in this article, as I didn't follow it and don't believe I've edited it before (I could be wrong on that), but I do think we'd be doing WP a disservice if we aren't looking at all the information available about a subject. Either way, hope you're well. Cheers! --
Kbabej (
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18:18, 6 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep. I don't think the nominator of this article has done their due diligence. A cursory Google search turns up coverage of Yara Sofia as the sole subject in
NewNowNext,
Seattle Gay News,
OutinSA, and
Hotspots Magazine, none of which have currently been included in the article (as of me writing this comment). Additional coverage (with Yara not being the sole subject) includes
World of Wonder and others. They've appeared on RPDR on two different seasons (winning Miss Congeniality on one of them), guest starred on a third season of RPDR, appeared on the television show Skin Wars, appeared in a video game, had a show at RuPaul's Drag Con, and headlined a NYE party. I think that meets GNG. --
Kbabej (
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18:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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