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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 ( HAPPY 2023) 12:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP. No indication of being notable. References are routine coverage and local news. Fails WP:SIRS, WP:CORPDEPTH. Fails WP:Del4, WP:DEL14 scope_creep Talk 12:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink and Oregon. Shellwood ( talk) 12:25, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, meets notability per numerous references, awards, and sourced details. Randy Kryn ( talk) 14:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Strong keep. Obviously a notable topic. Nominator seems to be targeting me and not even googling topics before jumping to AfD (?) I'd like to focus on content and not editor behavior, but how many times do I need to ask someone to leave me alone? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:29, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Strong keep. In-depth coverage in the statewide publication The Oregonian, Wiley publisher's book Pacific Northwest Wining and Dining, and in Nation's Restaurant News completely satisfy GNG and NCORP. ɱ (talk) 16:42, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Even if all the Fodor's and Explorer's Guide and Insiders' Guide and Sasquatch Books and
Eater (website) and Moon Guide listings/reviews in the article are discounted, and then the cookbooks, and then finally we take away the several items from weeklies and Portland Monthly, we have these following independent sources:
- 2011 The Oregonian, review by regional newspaper (currently used as a source)
- 2003 Nation's Restaurant News, award and review by national publication (currently used as a source)
- 2007 Pacific Northwest Wining and Dining, book (Wiley) (currently used as a source)
- "An Oregon Trail Of Portland Treats", Susan Hamlin, The New York Times, June 28, 1998 [1]. Wildwood is one of the restaurants used as an example of how "Portland can now add restaurants to its list of attractions"; several hundred words are dedicated to Wildwood alone.
- "Portland's Trailblazers", John Mariani, Esquire, January 1995 [2], similar to the NYT source in terms of putting the restaurant on a short list of places forming Portland cuisine
- More examples of the restaurant being singled out in an article covering Portland cuisine include "Portland's Restaurant Renaissance" in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, June 18, 1995; "A Taste of Portland" in the Orange County Register, November 1, 1998; "Gray Skies, Bright City: Imaginative Tastes Light up Corner of Portland, Oregon" in the Boston Globe, April 13, 1995; and on and on which I don't have the time to format links for, nor do I think it's necessary at this point. Just as a rough metric of its notability, "Cory Schreiber wildwood portland" on ProQuest produces over 300 hits in the major two Portland-area newspapers, The Columbian (Washington State side of the river, published since 1890) and The Oregonian.
- Quoting from the GNG bible,
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
These surely meet this bar and the article meets WP:GNG. ☆ Bri ( talk) 05:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC) - Anticipating an objection that NCORP trumps GNG in this case: no. This is clearly of cultural, not business importance to all the reliable sources cited above. The imposition of rigid NCORP guidelines to restaurants was in fact one of the points of contention in
the failed 2018 NCORP RfC: specifically its impact on award-winning restaurants was brought up by several commenters. Even before those objections were voiced, the proposer also added a carve-out for orgs shown "to have made a culturally significant impact", so if this D rationale is to be taken at face value, it goes far beyond the 2018 proposal which was deemed a bridge too far. ☆
Bri (
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06:01, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- And anticipating a reiteration that NCORP applies everywhere all the time no matter the 2018 RfC, here's a recent AfD in which consensus was not reached for a business (a hotel) with cultural ramifications: according to the closer "there isn't consensus about how to apply SNGs to this article, let alone the broader contention of SNGs vs GNG (especially in the case of NCORP)" (emphasis mine). ☆ Bri ( talk) 06:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. You can check my past record, but this does meet NCORP, regional, and even global (I would argue Esquire is a global magazine) coverage. Again I need you to perform detaled source analysis because your unusual issue with restaurant articles shows. And before you say this isn't showing good faith, this is what, the 3rd I've seen just within the last 7 days.
- Quoting from the GNG bible,
- Ask me about air Cryogenic air ( talk) 12:19, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 11:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG Lightburst ( talk) 17:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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