Wikipedia:articles For Deletion Violin Sonata In B Minor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 03:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Amended close. After discussion on my talk page I amend my close to no consensus on Piano Sonata in B minor and redirect to Sonata in B minor for Violin Sonata in B minor. As was pointed out to me, the rationale offered for the piano DAB did not apply to the violin DAB, and my close is modified accordingly. Thanks, Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 00:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Violin Sonata in B minor

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This disambiguation page is redundant of Sonata in B minor, which was originally at this title before a page move. The redirect was then reverted. The two sonatas listed here are already covered at Sonata in B minor (a broader disambiguation page). Additionally, one of the sonatas listed here ( Sonata in B minor (Atterberg)) is only a partial-title match because it is generically for strings, not solely for violin. I propose restoring the redirect. I am also nominating the following page for redirecting as well since it is also redundant:

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Disambiguations. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 19:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read!
Talk!} 19:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect to Sonata in B minor to avoid duplicate list. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 09:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Keep all. None of them is a duplicate of another. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree that they're not duplicates, but they are redundant. Additionally, as I noted, the Violin Sonata DAB page contains just two entries, and one is a partial-title match that's already covered at Sonata in B minor; I've also reorganized the broader DAB page into sections. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 16:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Thanks. I still think that the Piano one is needed and I therefore do not mind the violin one. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
(But the latter could be a simple redirect maybe). - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Why not just have the piano one redirect to Sonata in B minor § Piano sonatas in B minor? voorts ( talk/ contributions) 18:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
Because /Sonata in B minor/ primary "super-topic" (in which, Liszt's one is obviously the most notable, ie the primary topic) are the Piano ones imw. Rephrasing: when one searches "Sonata in B minor", it's a piano sonata one is most likely searching, and, very probably, Liszt's, so that it is clearer, in my opinion, to have the piano ones on one page (with a See also for the sonatas for other instruments). I hope I am making sense. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply

So basically you want to merge Sonata in B minor into Piano Sonata in B minor? If that's the case, I don't see why that's necessary, since the current Sonata in B minor page accomplishes that. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 19:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
If the Liszt piece is the primary topic, then Sonata in B minor's intro can be rewritten as follows:
The '''[[Piano Sonata in B minor (Liszt)|]]''' was completed by Franz Liszt in 1853 and published in 1854.
'''Sonata in B minor''' may also refer to:
Since all of the non-piano pieces have an article title with "Sonata in B minor", they should not be in the see also section of the piano DAB page since they are valid entries on the more general DAB page. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 19:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
To clarify: I do not wish the non-piano instruments individual articles mentioned in the See also section of the Piano sonata DISAMB, my phrasing was misleading, sorry, just the Disamb page for sonatas for other instruments. Having two (or three) DISAMB pages seems at least as good as having 1 in the present case. Hence my K !vote.

If you wish to restore the REDIR for the Violin one, why not? but again, I'd rather have a Piano DISAMB and a General DISAMB.

Even regarding the Violin DISAMB, the violin/harpsichord sonata (in B minor) BWV 1014 is sometimes referred to as " violin sonata in B minor" (a misleading but common wording for sonatas for keyboard+ x instrument, when they aren't sonatas for x solo) and could be mentioned there (hence 3 articles). Anyway, decide for the best. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC) reply
I get what you're saying. I still think it makes more sense for readers to have one DAB with everything in proper sections, rather than multiple DAB pages. This would also things easier to maintain for editors. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 22:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I don't see a consensus here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read!
Talk!} 07:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Redirect both to Sonata in B minor. There's zero reason to have two different DA pages which include identical subjects. One unified DA page dovetails better with WP:Disambiguation guidelines than multiple redundant entries. BusterD ( talk) 01:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.