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The result was delete. BD2412 T 20:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a person notable only as a deputy mayor of a small town and a not yet elected candidate in a future political party primary. As always, neither of these are NPOL-passing notability claims -- a person has to win a congressional election, not just run in the primaries, to claim notability on that basis; politicians at the local level are not automatically notable just because they exist; and the historic firsts that a person will represent if she wins an election she has not already won are not valid claims to special treatment. But of the eight footnotes here, four are primary sources and four are the type of routine local coverage that every local municipal politician in every town can simply expect to receive, which means none of it is sufficient to render her more special than other smalltown deputy mayors or other not yet elected congressional candidates. If she wins the senate seat next year, then obviously it can be recreated as her basis for notability will have changed -- but nothing here is notable enough to already get her over the notability bar today, and Wikipedia is not a public relations venue on which to publicize her campaign in the meantime. Bearcat ( talk) 17:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 17:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 17:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete no prejudice against re-creating the article later should notability be established. Suggest trying another wiki for now.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep Usha is notable for being the first Asian american elected and sworn in as mayor to any city in Kansas. She likely was notable when she was elected in 2013 to the mayor position. I can edit the infobox to show her term as mayor as well. I think the article isn't written to publicize her campaign. I noticed that she is the only candidate that does not have the page created, which is why I authored it. There are more primary sources that aren't just from local media outlets which I can include. I tried to include a diverse mix of sources. Furthermore, I read through WP:BLP and I don't see any clear line of notability that is cited there that would prevent an article on Usha to be included. So long as the article focuses on only her public career and what can be cited in the public domain and is written from a neutral point of view, unless I am reading that wrong. Certainly her page on Ballotpedia or another wiki are also good places for this information to be updated, but when I was reading through the article on the 2020 Senate election, to me, it didn't feel right that Usha's name was only a blue link when she has already accomplished a lot as mayor and two-term elected city commissioner. She also had a failed bid at state school board which I have yet to include in the article. WaltBren ( talk) 05:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • If you can provide details of the independent, third party coverage required by the general notability guideline or WP:POLITICIAN or some other means I'd be happy to change my position. I applaud your enthusiasm, and I hope I'm wrong! The KC Star article is nice I admit... but I see no mention of her in the WIBW article. The KMAN article is just election statistics and the Winchester Star article is about a man charged with rape but has no mention of the person the article is about--we can presume she was the victim and it's normally good policy for newspapers to not print the name of the victim, but even if they did just being a victim although tragic doesn't make an individual notable. The rest of the articles (from what I can tell) are useful for confirming data but not necessarily for confirming notability.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 13:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Firstly, mayors who hold the position on a rotational "everybody on city council gets a turn" basis, and are not directly elected by the voters, are never inherently notable just because they exist — that type of mayor is accepted as notable only if you can demonstrate a reason why they're uniquely much more notable than most other mayors.
    Secondly, "first member of X group to do an otherwise non-notable thing" is not an automatic free pass to being special, either — if she wasn't the first Asian-American city councillor in the entire United States, then you don't get to spin off 50 more second-level firsts for the first Asian American city councillors in each individual state, and then thousands of third-level firsts for the first Asian American municipal councillor in each individual town or city within each state. If her firstness doesn't have nationalized significance, then just being able to claim that she was the first of something is not an exemption from having to pass our regular notability standards the normal way.
    And thirdly, the fact that the article is written in a fairly neutral, rather than blatantly advertorial, tone isn't relevant — it was still created because she's running in a political primary she hasn't won yet for an office she hasn't held yet, and that's not a notability claim. Bearcat ( talk) 14:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC) reply
• Keep this brave woman. There is media coverage of her childhood rape and her quest to convict her father. Coverage of her term as mayor. Queen Viga ( talk) 09:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Primefac ( talk) 22:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Mayors who rotate in and out of the job by virtue of their town's or city's mayoralty being a ceremonial "everybody on city council gets a turn position" are not presumed notable just for being mayors — a mayoralty has to be a directly elected executive position before the person has a potentially valid notability claim, and even directly elected executive mayors still don't all get a guaranteed notability freebie just because they exist, because our notability criteria for mayors still require much more than just being able to show technical verification of the fact that they've been elected mayor. And as unfortunate as having been raped is, and as glad as I am that she's overcome it, it isn't a notability claim either. And every municipal politician everywhere can always show some evidence of local coverage in her own local media, so the existence of some local media coverage is not a free pass over GNG that exempts her from actually having to pass NPOL by holding a notable political office: smalltown mayors don't pass GNG unless and until their coverage has nationalized far beyond where it's merely expected to exist. Bearcat ( talk) 14:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC) reply

It's starting to feel like her political supporters are using Wikipedia to further the cause. Wikipedia is not a free web hosting server.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 14:40, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Strong delete unnominated candidates for public office are not notable. Not every member of the city council is notable. The routine local coverage plus primary sources does not add up to notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Fails WP:NPOL. If she manages to pass this threshold later in her career the article can always be recreated. 4meter4 ( talk) 09:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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