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The result was keep. while there have been no further contributions since the nom was relisted, consensus appears clear in my view, particularly in light of the strength of sources located. (non-admin closure) MaxnaCarter ( talk) 13:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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Found only a few passing mentions here and there, nothing of substance. Prod contested with addition of source Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 01:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 01:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- All of these strange game show articles you've nominated here seem to be weird copies of their Wikia/Fandom counterparts with words and phrases changed around a bit.
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04:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given this article's age, I think they copied us and not vice-versa. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
04:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, yeah, you're right. Didn't catch that ~XyNq t c 04:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given this article's age, I think they copied us and not vice-versa. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
04:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
This is the second time I've been notified about a game show article being nominated for deletion and I can't help but notice there's a pattern here. I would really like to understand what the point of nominating all these articles for deletion really is. -- ChrisP2K5 ( talk) 02:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just part of what I'm finding when combing through old, short, unsourced TV show articles. I found most of them through navboxes or category trees. If I don't find much of worth on Newspapers.com or ProQuest, I nominate it for prod or AFD. I'm not targeting game shows specifically, just any form of TV show. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 02:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have a hard time believing what you’re saying though. There seems to be no legitimate reason to delete this or any of the other pages you’re nominating for deletion, other than just to do it. If the sourcing is an issue then I can get that, but it doesn’t warrant deleting the page. It just means that better sources can be located and should be located. I read “If I don’t find anything on Newspapers.com” (and I find it extremely difficult to believe that in this case you couldn’t find such information, because I did a Google search and found several pieces of pertinent info including the show’s NATPE ad in Broadcasting and at least one print ad promoting the show) as “my satisfaction is the only standard it should be held to” and that’s really not a good look. And quite frankly, you’ve done this before and your rep does kind of precede you. —-
ChrisP2K5 (
talk)
18:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- An advertisement is not a reliable source for Wikipedia standards. Neither are IMDb, Wikia, personal fan sites, or YouTube uploads of the show. A search for "Quiz Kids Challenge" "Jonathan Prince" only gives me 29 hits on newspapers.com, most of which seem to be regurgitations of the same press release. The same search on ProQuest yields only three hits, of which two are just glancing mentions in articles otherwise focused on other TV shows. Those two hits combined do not dedicate more than one or two sentences to the work. The standards I'm holding it to are WP:GNG and WP:RS, which are clearly not my own standards. We can confirm the show existed and was hosted by Jonathan Prince, but precious little else. Also, I hardly think I'm doing it "just to do it" if several other of my AFDs have been closed as "delete". Only a couple have even been game shows, so I don't know why you're so hung up on that. tl;dr: Focus on the nomination, not the nominator. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 18:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I am focusing on the nomination, and as far as I’m concerned it’s not a very strong nomination. —- ChrisP2K5 ( talk) 01:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have a hard time believing what you’re saying though. There seems to be no legitimate reason to delete this or any of the other pages you’re nominating for deletion, other than just to do it. If the sourcing is an issue then I can get that, but it doesn’t warrant deleting the page. It just means that better sources can be located and should be located. I read “If I don’t find anything on Newspapers.com” (and I find it extremely difficult to believe that in this case you couldn’t find such information, because I did a Google search and found several pieces of pertinent info including the show’s NATPE ad in Broadcasting and at least one print ad promoting the show) as “my satisfaction is the only standard it should be held to” and that’s really not a good look. And quite frankly, you’ve done this before and your rep does kind of precede you. —-
ChrisP2K5 (
talk)
18:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources.
- Loynd, Ray (1990-09-24).
"Youth vs. Experience in New 'Quiz Kids': Television: Afternoon Game Show on Channel 13 Is a 50th Anniversary Spinoff of Radio's 'Quiz Kids.'".
Los Angeles Times. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-27. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
The article notes: "Whisked to a sound stage at KTLA/Hollywood Center Studios, she was nervous as she waited for the cameras to roll on the set of the new syndicated game show, “The Quiz Kids Challenge.” She was a black girl in celebrity-land for the first time, teamed up with two white boys from L.A. magnet schools in a “Jeopardy!"-inspired game show that tests kids against adults. ... These competitors are featured at 3:30 p.m. daily this week on the KCOP Channel 13 daytime strip. New contestants appear each week against different adults. Since this Guber-Peters syndicated show debuted Sept. 10, the kids have been winning 60% of the time in a duel of smarts, speed and strategy. The production is a 50th-anniversary spinoff of the popular “Quiz Kids” NBC radio show from Chicago (1940-53). There were later, short-lived TV “Quiz Kids,” but youth was never matched against experience until now. ... The adults, who must pass the same test the kids take to make the show, look blank. The juvenile brain trust takes the pot."
- Dempsey, John (1989-10-25). "Guber-Peters preps 'Quiz Kids Challenge,' latest 'Jeopardy'-inspired syndie pilot".
Variety. Vol. 337, no. 4. p. 47.
ProQuest
1438503408.
The article notes: "If the new "Quiz Kids Challenge" goes to series (the show would start in the fall of 1990), it'll be a lot different from the golden oldie. Wald says the planned budget for the new version is $5 million for 35 weeks of originals, or about $140,000 a week, which puts it in the expensive category for series of this type. The sets Barris is building at the Sunset Gower Studios in Los Angeles, where the producers will tape three pilot half-hours, will be fairly elaborate, according to Wald. Barris taped the pilot Oct. 24. ... There's at least one link between the old and the new "Quiz Kids" shows: Geoffrey Cowan, one of the three executive producers for Barris, is the son of the late Lou Cowan, who packaged the original show."
- Amarante, Joe (1990-06-26).
"Reporters compete against whiz kids".
New Haven Register. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-27. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
The article notes: "Sunday, 4:45 p.m. It's warm outside the Science Museum in West Hartford. I'm sitting next to a steel whale at a table with three newspaper colleagues. We are waiting to face off against four kids who are vying for a free trip to Los Angeles to compete in a new game show called "The Quiz Kids Challenge." We're sure the little goobers are going to kick our adult butts. WVIT-30 has been auditioning 600 state kids for three days and now the number is down to 16 little overachievers. ... No harm done for the kids though. The four ultimate winners have secretly been determined by the producers and WVIT moments before our little match. But contestants haven't been told yet. This round of the game is, in effect, a publicity stunt. But then, what TV event isn't a publicity stunt in the '90s?"
- Brennan, Steve (1990-09-24). "'Quiz Kids' loses key Atlanta slot".
The Hollywood Reporter. Vol. 314, no. 19. pp. 3, 22.
ProQuest
2610421815.
The article notes: ""The Quiz Kids Challenge," the new first-run game show from Guber-Peters Television, has been bumped from its 7:30 p.m. access slot on WXIA-TV in Atlanta, making it the first of the five new syndicated game shows to lose an important time period. ... Industry analyst Tom Bumbera, vp director of programming at Seltel, the station rep firm, pointed to the speed with which the station executives pulled the trigger on the "Quiz Kids," suggesting that this is probably the beginning of a series of early-season changes as new programs fail to reach expectations. ... "Quiz Kids" averaged a 4.8 rating/9 share on the Atlanta station up to Wednesday of last week, coming out of its NBC News lead-in average of 7.3/14 for the same period, according to unweighted data from A.C. Nielsen Co."
- Less significant coverage:
- Adams, Debra (1990-11-09). "Student in national eye on TV game show".
Hartford Courant.
ProQuest
1723543273.
The article notes: "A clever eighth-grader at Quirk Middle School has been a familiar face this week: Justin Long, 13, has made a weeklong appearance on the NBC game show Quiz Kids Challenge. Justin was one of four Connecticut students selected for the show among 600 applicants. He eased through a written test that required the youngsters to answer 20 questions in five minutes and pass an oral exam and an interview. He then was chosen to fly to California."
- Adams, Debra (1990-11-09). "Student in national eye on TV game show".
Hartford Courant.
ProQuest
1723543273.
- Loynd, Ray (1990-09-24).
"Youth vs. Experience in New 'Quiz Kids': Television: Afternoon Game Show on Channel 13 Is a 50th Anniversary Spinoff of Radio's 'Quiz Kids.'".
Los Angeles Times. Archived from
the original on 2022-05-27. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
- Keep per the citations listed by Cunard. DonaldD23 talk to me 18:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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