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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 12:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
The Elms School
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Notability is rather shaky with few independent, reliable sources available. Thus seems to fail WP:GNG The Banner talk 12:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and England. Shellwood ( talk) 12:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep 400 year old school, the oldest prep school in England - a guild school at that. Has to have notability. It doesn't help the AfD, but
perhaps interestingly Benjamin BrittenBenjamin Brittan's brother (!) was a master there...
Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 13:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The school is 408 years old - it's common sense that sources exist. Since the internet is less than 1/10th the school's age, most sources will be offline, but nevertheless Google Search brings up several things, including articles about a recent merger with another school. While Wikipedia is online, it is not required that sources be online.
Jacona (
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10:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is not standard that a school is notable because it is old. Every article has to prove its own notability. There is no room for guesswork (or irrelevant details) in a reliable encyclopedia.
The Banner
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12:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- But as humans, we all develop some form of common sense. We all use it in differing degrees to help us to determine what to do. I could spend a lot of time working on finding sources on a 408 year old school, but common sense tells me it's unnecessary. In spite of that, I did use Google, and found some stuff, which verified my common sense, and satisfied my need to know. You've decided differently, which is your right. Carry on, sans common sense. Jacona ( talk) 14:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is not standard that a school is notable because it is old. Every article has to prove its own notability. There is no room for guesswork (or irrelevant details) in a reliable encyclopedia.
The Banner
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12:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think we can be a little bit less pointy than that, folks. It's the oldest preparatory school in the country. For that alone, it's notable IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It common sense to prove the notability instead of assuming it. The Banner talk 15:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Enough sourcing to meet WP:GNG as with any British school of this age. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Very weak keep. This source [1] has a paragraph about the school, but actually casts serious doubt on the age claims (and only recognises 1867 as the starting date). This 1909 book [2] also states the school was then only 30 years old (I can only see a snippet, no idea how much infoit actually has). Oh, and Benjamin Britten seems to have nothing to do with this school, but his brother Robert (Bobby) worked there. Perhaps better to draftify it, and rewrite it once sources have been found and accessed, so we are certain that it is notable and that the information in it is verifiable. Fram ( talk) 13:13, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're bang on the money, I misread the source which actually clearly says Benji's brother Bobby went there. Woops! Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- OK just saw this, editing the article accordingly. Cielquiparle ( talk) 09:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Added a few sources (including The Rise of the English Prep School cited above) and facts, so the article wouldn't look so barren citation wise. Agree that there is a lot more that could be done to improve the article by historians rather than just contemporary assessments of the school as it exists today-ish. Cielquiparle ( talk) 09:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
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