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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Rollidan ( talk) 17:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
The Boys in the Band (2020 film)
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WP:TOOSOON article about a film that only just entered the production pipeline a few weeks ago, and is likely not going to be released until next year sometime. As always, planned future films are not always automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles the moment it becomes possible to single-source the fact that they're planned -- lots of films have entered the production pipeline, but then fell apart and failed to ever come out the other end as finished films, so simply being announced is not an automatic notability guarantee. Rather, a small elite tier of highly notable films that get a lot of coverage throughout the production processes (e.g. the Star Wars or Marvel franchises) get to have articles started once principal photography has commenced, while the vast majority of films have to wait until they have a confirmed release date. But there's only one reliable source here, while the other is a WordPress blog that is not support for notability at all. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in 2020 when a release date is announced, but this does not have nearly enough GNG-worthy coverage to already make it a special notability case today. Bearcat ( talk) 17:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 17:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep Plenty of sources are appearing online for this like a short tvline article and engadget.com article. Passes basic WP:GNG in my opinion. Govvy ( talk) 18:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Engadget is not a
reliable or notability-supporting source; TVLine is just a short blurb that reverifies the exact same information as the one valid source that was already present in the article, without adding anything new. GNG is not just "anything that can show two media hits" — a film has to have a lot more than just two sources before it's exempted from having to pass the "an exact release date is confirmed" test.
Bearcat (
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21:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Where are you seeing this "exact release date" test. I could not find it in any of the wiki notability guidelines.
Affied (
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01:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- The core notability criterion for films is the existence of published film reviews by professional critics. By definition, that type of coverage cannot exist this far in advance of a film being released.
Bearcat (
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15:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- Where are you seeing this as the core notability criterion? This is not what it says on the Wikipedia Notability for future films ( WP:NFF). Affied ( talk) 19:56, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- The core notability criterion for films is the existence of published film reviews by professional critics. By definition, that type of coverage cannot exist this far in advance of a film being released.
Bearcat (
talk)
15:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
- Where are you seeing this "exact release date" test. I could not find it in any of the wiki notability guidelines.
Affied (
talk)
01:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Engadget is not a
reliable or notability-supporting source; TVLine is just a short blurb that reverifies the exact same information as the one valid source that was already present in the article, without adding anything new. GNG is not just "anything that can show two media hits" — a film has to have a lot more than just two sources before it's exempted from having to pass the "an exact release date is confirmed" test.
Bearcat (
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21:29, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to The Boys in the Band (play)#Film until we have full release information, though merge what we have in there (and in any circumstances due to the 1970 film, that should be re-disambiguated to The Boys in the Band (1970 film) in due time, with the main BitB page becoming a disambiguation page). Nate • ( chatter) 07:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as a topic that meets both WP:GNG and WP:NFF (which is especially permissible for having subject-specific criteria per WP:N). We know there is a film in the making for sure, and specific to this subject, we know that having started filming means a tangible product (as opposed to just plans for it beforehand). Based on this, it is a waste of an action to sweep this article under the rug only, with certainty, to pull it back out again. There is zero lack of merit in this proper film-type presentation of cast and crew and production details in a standalone article. Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 19:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This article meets GNG, as there are plenty of sources about this movie. [1] (Hollywood Reporter), [2] (Yahoo), [3] (Vulture), [4](Entertainment Weekly), [5] (Deadline), [6] (NY Post), [7] (LA Magazine), [8] (Newsday). This was only after a cursory Google Search, there are probably more if you go deeper. Affied ( talk) 00:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
- Also this article meets WP:NFF, as it is currently filming Affied ( talk) 20:11, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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