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The result was delete. I see a consensus to delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 05:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
TheJournalish
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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded by article creator with reason "this journal is endorsed and ranked by the Ministry of Research Technology, and Higher Education of the Republic of Indonesia (as already cited). Why would that not demonstrate notability?" This apparently refers to current ref. 3, but that database (SINTA) does not appear to be very selective and therefore fails both NJournals and GNG. PROD reason still stands, hence: delete. Randykitty ( talk) 21:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals and Indonesia. Randykitty ( talk) 21:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Indonesia publishes dozens of academic journals,
[1] and for some reason the first one documented on Wikipedia gets PROD and AFD within days. Why is that? I can't see why the endorsement of the journal by the government would not establish notability. (See
[2],
the Director-General of Strengthening Research and Development, Ministry of Research Technology, and Higher Education of the Republic of Indonesia, Decree Number 105/M/KPT/2022.
) The journal has been published for less than four years, but has more than 300 incoming citations according to Google Scholar. [3] Does this not clearly meet C2 of WP:JOURNALCRIT? -- Mikeblas ( talk) 23:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)- Comment: I'm sorry, but 300 citations is rather pathetic, even for a new journal. Also, it appears that every journal published in Indonesia gets into Sinta, so that is not really a ringing endorsement. C2 is most certainly not met. As for why this got PRODded and then taken to AfD: I patrol all new articles on academic journals and if they appear not to be notable, I propose them for deletion. Nothing nefarious here. --
Randykitty (
talk) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:JOURNALCRIT doesn't give a quantitative guideline, just that subjective one. -- Mikeblas ( talk) 14:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's because different fields have different citation densities. But even n a low-citation density field is 300 citations after 4 years not very impressive and certainly not enough for C2.
- Comment: I'm sorry, but 300 citations is rather pathetic, even for a new journal. Also, it appears that every journal published in Indonesia gets into Sinta, so that is not really a ringing endorsement. C2 is most certainly not met. As for why this got PRODded and then taken to AfD: I patrol all new articles on academic journals and if they appear not to be notable, I propose them for deletion. Nothing nefarious here. --
Randykitty (
talk) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete clear failure to meet anything in WP:NJOURNALS. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 08:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete SINTA is not embraced by the government, it's just classification/accrediation system for Indonesian journals. Being indexed by SINTA is basically just meant "this journal exist" the same way school accrediation exist Nyanardsan ( talk) 12:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If I had to close this based on the discussion so far, it would be to delete. However, more discussion genuinely would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 02:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: No evidence for notability presented; fails both GNG/NJOURNALS Dr. Swag Lord ( talk) 00:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.