The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Please keep the discussion civil. An administrator can decide if this page will remain. Counterfeit Purses is now ranting on my Talk Page. Like I said, I am OK with the decision of the administrator either way. This is not personal.
Yellowbear48 (
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22:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I would counter that she is notable NOT for her death, but for being in over 150 adult films, amassing over a million dollars, and for being a social media influencer. Her death was an event that covered her career (many events) as documented in the Internet Adult Film Database.
Yellowbear48 (
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06:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree with the first sentence, -again, my bad I had forgotten to publish her insertion- not the second: not all actors in the list have a standalone page (edit: on the English WP). -
My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)20:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)reply
She actually was a notable performer. Let's be blunt about a couple of things. I'm sure there are scores of notable performers in the adult film industry that don't have pages because someone might be afraid to suggest creating one. They don't want to open themselves up to be called names for suggesting one. Second, she's more notable that a lot of names I see pop up on the recent passings page. I've seen countless regional TV and Radio host appear on the page, as well as many very obscure political figures from overseas. Some of who even Alexa could not find information on. Trust me, you delete Sophia's page, and I and others could recommend close to 5,000 pages on here for deletion.
Sportsfan1976 I'm only here because I'm not currently somewhere else. (
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12:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The fallacy I detect here by the pro-delete crowd is that she is notable due to her death - this is factually untrue and seems to miss the one-event stipulation's purpose. She did in fact receive massive coverage mainly after her death, but this coverage was based on many notable events throughout her life (on one major adult site, she is mentioned in numerous articles over the years). I also read the notability guidelines with regard to celebrities, and as a performer with over 100 films, in addition to the media coverage and her social media influence, she seems at minimum on the border of notability. Given that she now has an article from People magazine, I believe this crosses over into notability. I also note the growing number of objections to deletion on this page.
Yellowbear48 (
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13:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: Most sources are non-RS, the New York Post and others. I'm not sure why the Hindustan Times covers an article about her death from halfway across the world, when non-RS on this side of the planet ignore it. That strange sort of undisclosed promotional items in Indian media, that have no other coverage.
Oaktree b (
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00:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Her death is notable in the sense that recently quite a few people with similar jobs have ended their lives. The pattern is notable. So Delete, but maybe cause for a meta topic?
95.96.130.127 (
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02:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Typical superficial 'mainstream' news coverage most porn performers get when they die. Most of the sourcing seems questionable as well. Nothing else out there of substance to create a better article.
GoldenAgeFan1 (
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03:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Upon re-reading this comment, whether conscious or unconscious, there is condescension regarding the profession of the performer (note the wording "most porn performers"). Notability is not decided by the moral views of editors. This is not meant as an attack on the editor - I merely note that the career-choice of the performer appears to be influencing some editors.
Yellowbear48 (
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07:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm rather shocked she didn't have a page, considering she was one of the top performers in adult films in adult films in the late 2010's and very a brief time, was one of the top paid. The fact she didn't have one while she was alive was clearly an oversight. I say we keep her page and flesh it out better.
Comment I understand the arguments from everyone here and I also wholeheartedly agree with the majority of the editors opinion on this article.
Abishe (
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16:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Humanly I feel deeply sorry for her premature and unjust death, but as porn actress she never made the definitive leap towards undisputed notability, probably because she never engaged in scenes which could grant her relevant awards in the industry. -- Blackcat21:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. I did some quick digging on Sophia, and in addition to her extensive adult career, covered by significant news sources, she was a social media influencer with over 100,000 followers on Twitter and 300,000 followers on Instagram. I am certain that if given the time I could dig up sources to make her page more substantial with proper sourcing. I think an opportunity should be given to improve the article for some set period.
Yellowbear48 (
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04:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I will list here the reputable sources used or added for Sophia Leone.
There are also other decent sources that have been added. I believe this list is superior to other pages I have seen on Wikipedia. Again, this is just my opinion.
Yellowbear48 (
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08:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)reply
She had a following (over 300,000), people are curious. This is where we go to learn. It sounds as if you have another axe to grind possibly with her employment.
66.214.145.179 (
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20:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I am inclined to agree with you that some may have an issue with her employment. She had over 400,000 followers on Twitter and Instagram combined - almost a half-million - and news coverage of her has been extensive. I will object to this article's removal at the highest levels, and will request a greater grace period. There is no consensus here as defined by Wikipedia policy.
Yellowbear48 (
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01:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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