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The result was merge to Mensural notation. ✗ plicit 13:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Silbenstrich
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Basically just a dictionary definition PepperBeast (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. At WP:NOTDICT it explains that Wikipedia is not a dictionary but rather an online encyclopedia to provide information on different topics. We should not create articles that just give definitions of any word. -- Vaco98 ( talk) 01:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- You should both read
Project:Wikipedia is not a dictionary properly. This is not a dictionary article about a word. It has zero etymology, pronunciation, and other dictionary stuff. It's a stub encyclopaedia article about an element of mediaeval musical notation, also called the "
divisio syllabarum" (per Edwin Frederick Flindell, at any rate). The question is whether it is capable of expansion. A quick look around indicates that it is, either standalone or refactored into an article with larger scope to include the divisio syllabarum, the
divisio modi, and the
suspiratio, perhaps as a sub-topic of
mensural notation (which mentions none of these) or even straightforwardly in that article.
All of this is achievable with non-administrator tools.
It's worth noting, by the way, that not everyone accepts Friedrich Ludwig's nomenclature. Stephen Parkinson considered it "cumbersome" and suggested "lineola".
- Comment: I notice that a) the article is an orphan; b) there's an entry
wikt:Silbenstrich; c)
Grove Music Online 2001 has
a 1-line entry; d) there are no entries or even mentions at the German Wikipedia or Wiktionary. I can't help but adding that removing this entry will not improve the English Wikipedia. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk)
06:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Researching this, and the others aforementioned, involves mainly books, written in German, French, and Italian. Parkinson's article on the Cantigas, where xe remarks on the Silbenstrich, is in English, as is Flindell's cited-by-others thesis ( OCLC 38652486). Uncle G ( talk) 07:00, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- See for examples
Jacobsthal 1871, p. 58 and
de Coussemaker 1852, p. 202.
Uncle G (
talk)
17:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Jacobsthal, Gustav (1871). Die mensuralnotenschrift des zwœlften und dreizehnten jahrhunderts (in German). Berlin: Julius Springer. ( Die mensuralnotenschrift des zwœlften und dreizehnten jahrhunderts at the Internet Archive)
- de Coussemaker, Edmond (1852). Histoire de l'harmonie au Moyen Age (in French). Paris: Victor Didron. ( Histoire de l'harmonie au Moyen Age at the Internet Archive)
- Comment: I agree with Michael Bednarek's findings. Can we merge this very specific little thing into mensural notation, making Silbenstrich (music) a redirect? Because it's only a secondary meaning of the normal German Silbenstrich, users may link here meaning something else. - Uncle G, please close paragraphs that you open, or the editor colours are confused. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- Merge This article is not significant enough to have it's own article. It should be merged into mensural notation. GoldMiner24 ( talk) 09:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to mensural notation per GoldMiner24 as WP:ATD. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.