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The result was delete. Looks like we don't have evidence of GNG notability and little support for notability on other basis. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Shari Carpenter
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Lacks notability. Lacks reliable sourcing. Seems drafted by the subject or someone close to subject. GetSomeUtah ( talk) 23:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
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- All roles so far are non-notable. Delete. Alexius08 ( talk) 09:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Sources are all web ephemera, except for the Suffolk Times, in which the subject is only mentioned trivially. Article is basically a CV. Director roles are all red-links and it looks like, for the notable films listed, subject had routine job duties (Office Production Assistant, Script Supervisor, etc). This appears to be another nuisance page created as a class project (January to April, 2016) by a SPA who never edited any other articles. These "learning experiences" are creating an increasing amount of clean-up work.
Agricola44 (
talk) 15:11, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I agree that the minor its in "misc credits" looked like a CV, so I deleted those. The other parts of the page bear more srutiny for notability-- her achievements are not inconsequential.
104.163.152.238 (
talk) 08:49, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. The article was scrutinized and there are (currently) 2 factors that are BLP deal-breakers: (1) while there are lots of sources, none are RS (they're all web-cruft) and (2) each of the works for which she claims a creative role is itself obscure, i.e. her work "has not been noted". So, while I concede the subjective assertion about consequential achievements, she has not been sufficiently noted for a WP article. I'm glad to change my position if several RS can be found that note her and/or her work. I've done some general searching, but could not find anything. For reference, I'll note that flippant assertions, like "Meets GNG" (below), are unconvincing and should be dismissed. But, I'd be delighted to discuss any substantive findings you might have. Sometimes BLPs in the entertainment business have out-of-the-way sources that are not easy to find. Agricola44 ( talk) 15:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment I agree that the minor its in "misc credits" looked like a CV, so I deleted those. The other parts of the page bear more srutiny for notability-- her achievements are not inconsequential.
104.163.152.238 (
talk) 08:49, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GNG. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep That she worked with Spike Lee is reason enough for me to make her article notable. prokaryotes ( talk) 18:12, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- So, do you mean to say that her notability is inherited by virtue of working with Lee? Agricola44 ( talk) 04:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- She also worked as script supervisor for oscar nominated films, ie. American Gangster. (Just added that reference)
prokaryotes (
talk) 11:15, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's called 'holding down a job' - a task managed daily by billions.
WP:NOTINHERIT is clear how much weight this argument holds.
Only in death does duty end (
talk) 13:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Does this mean it is not notable that she was part of that film cast (She is not just a wife from the cast)? For other sources
BFI, also here overview
Shari Carpenter (Hollywood.com seems to be something like an authority for casts). Here is an interview, (lists awards)
http://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/shari-carpenter-41
prokaryotes (
talk) 13:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Literally none of the links you provided indicate she was part of the cast. Good effort, but that's me done.
Only in death does duty end (
talk) 14:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Script supervisor is part of a
film castfilms production crew. So it remains unclear if these jobs are not notable (since that has been implied). prokaryotes ( talk) 14:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Script supervisor is part of a
- Literally none of the links you provided indicate she was part of the cast. Good effort, but that's me done.
Only in death does duty end (
talk) 14:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Does this mean it is not notable that she was part of that film cast (She is not just a wife from the cast)? For other sources
BFI, also here overview
Shari Carpenter (Hollywood.com seems to be something like an authority for casts). Here is an interview, (lists awards)
http://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/shari-carpenter-41
prokaryotes (
talk) 13:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- That's called 'holding down a job' - a task managed daily by billions.
WP:NOTINHERIT is clear how much weight this argument holds.
Only in death does duty end (
talk) 13:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment on updated content. I appreciate the effort that has gone into improving the article, and this is one of the benefits of the AfD process. I still find, however, that it suffers from exceedingly weak sourcing on key claims of notability. Most of the claimed awards and accolades are drawn from ShariCarpenter.com and from her own spoken oral history. Her first film caused a minor ripple at most, and her second film has -- as its only source -- a tangential mention in a foreign-language article on the subject of someone else. What is well documented is that Ms. Carpenter is a script supervisor, and no doubt a good one, but not one meriting an article in Wikipedia. GetSomeUtah ( talk) 19:30, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete no indication of notability. Sources are not up to standards which would indicate notability. It appears she made one niche film in 2001 which did not demonstrate a broad cultural impact or garner criticism in the mainstream press. There is mention of another film, apparently, which again does not correlate with notability for the subject. She has scriptwriter credits but has not garnered significant mainstream press coverage in that regard. And so on... Going through the sources was tedious. Steve Quinn ( talk) 04:39, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train talk 08:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train talk 08:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete creating a bunch of non-notable works does not make a filmmaker notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as there doesn't seem to be any sources about her. I did find a few small mentions of her independent film in book search, but nothing more. There is no indication that the independent film was popular or if it won any award.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 17:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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