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The result was Keep. Michig ( talk) 07:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Sexuality in Star Trek

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This article is too far gone to repair. Nominating per WP:TNT so the article can start fresh and actually be a decent article that lives up to the rules we have for new articles today. People have argued in the two past AFDs that the article is bad, but, by keeping it, we can fix it, but no one has actually done that. I think we should TNT it to, as WP:TNT says, help encourage a new article and so people will actually fix it. Gestrid ( talk) 02:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep While I agree there needs to be a massive rewrite, not all of it is bad, and there needs to be recognition of previous contributors since some of this should be kept in a massive rewrite. -- MASEM ( t) 02:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• ( edit conflict) As I said, that argument has been used before in the previous AFDs, and nothing has been done in the eight years since the first AFD or five years since the second one. Nowadays, if someone were to create a new article, we have ways to help keep it from going off the deep end, such as WP:AFC for example. -- Gestrid ( talk) 03:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• The thing is, you're arguing for TNT of a topic that is clearly notable (there's at least one published book on this topic), so we have to look at the value of the contributions. If there was no value to any reasonable fraction of the previous edits, TNT makes sense, but reviewing the past history, there was clearly well-intended additions, maybe not all in line with WP:V but are concepts that seem to be appropriate for the article. So deleting that revision history makes no sense. But as pointed out below, perhaps stubbify and having a AFC/Draft-space version worked on that then can be history merged to this is completely in line. But deletion under TNT just doesn't make sense here. -- MASEM ( t) 05:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep Well referenced, it could be organized better. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 02:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Well referenced? Did you read it? Is this a parody of a vote? Large parts of this, probably most, are purely OR detailing the minute plot points of whatever episode some fan decided to write about, or extensive citations of this or that actor's comments on their own character. Revent ^talk 03:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Just to 'quantify' this, for the sake of people who will also not read it, out of five top level sections, not counting the lede, three have absolutely no references. Revent ^talk 03:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) and Revent: I've gone ahead and marked different sections with both {{ unreferenced}} and {{ refimprove}}, as there are plenty of each. -- Gestrid ( talk) 03:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep - a bold edit to stubiffy would probably go unmolested, particularly if a heads-up gets dropped and supported at the wikiproject talk page. The topic itself is surely notable, and outright deletion seems an inapt approach. I wholeheartedly agree it needs a fresh start; what's necessary isn't wholesale elimination (including edit history, some of which we might want to retain in a new iteration) but rather an editor or two prioritizing not just erasing the content but putting together a framework for improvement. -- EEMIV ( talk) 03:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep WP:TNT is just an essay. The actual policy is WP:IMPERFECT. Andrew D. ( talk) 12:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep because the unreferenced / refimprove sections are mostly, if not all of them, facts. Synopses for episodes are easy to find on the Internet, and over time, if people are willing, will populate those story snippets with references. There are a few in-lines which need their sources a great deal more, but the article doesn't have to be perfect. The sections could do with a little reorganization of structure, and the header could use a brush-up on briefly saying what the article is about, emphasis on briefly. Nevertheless, the article is encyclopedic in nature, informative as it stands, and it appears to be a notable topic with a slew of references. WinterSpw ( talk) 23:48, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep and improve, perfectly salvagable article. Artw ( talk) 01:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep Sadly there is a lot of unloved articles related to Star Trek, and this is one of them. However, a lack of cited information is not reason to delete an article - otherwise we'd have a lot less articles below GA across Wiki than we do now. Completely agree that this needs to be overhauled, but that in itself is by no means unique. Miyagawa ( talk) 17:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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