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The result was keep. WP:SNOW Guy ( Help!) 18:29, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Article has 3 sources. 1 is from Baluchistan PA that shows particulars. 2 and 3 are sources that only mention and no significant coverage. It does not meet WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. M A A Z T A L K 09:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Seriously? the subject is a current members of a provincial legislature and thus pass
WP:POLITICIAN. --
Saqib (
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09:30, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Your argument revolves around the first point of WP:POLITICIAN. However, that point comes with footnotes. Read footnote 8 & footnote 12.
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#cite_note-note7-12 M A A Z T A L K 09:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Either you are misinterpreting the Notability policy and the footnotes you referred above or misreading it. You need to re-read the last sentence "However, this criterion ensures that our coverage of major political offices, incorporating all of the present and past holders of that office, will be complete regardless" which clearly takes precedent. An MP elected at the national or sub-national level legislature is presumed to be notable, regardless of whether xe has received significant coverage or not. WP:GNG is not the only notability guideline. We have speciality notability guidelines, like WP:POLITICIAN precisely because GNG doesn't suit all circumstances. That being said the subject clearly passes WP:N and qualify for a standalone WP page. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:23, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- If you read Additional criteria in
WP:BIO, it reads: People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. So the way I see it is to read all the points together and make a judgment. 2nd and 3rd point are not met, and about 1st point relation with footnote 12, it reads this is a secondary criterion. People who satisfy this criterion will almost always satisfy the primary criterion. But we see, in this case it fails
WP:GNG
M A A Z
T A L K
21:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
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Ma'az: Instead of wasting my time on this invalid AfD, I would repeat what I said above, Either you're misinterpreting Wikipedia policies or misreading them therefore my honest advice to you is to familiarise yourself with the policies before you decide to nominate more MP bios for deletion. --
Saqib (
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06:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
- Again, please don't patronize me. I've given my arguments, you have given yours. No need to be offensive. See WP:WQ: Be polite. Civilly work towards agreement. M A A Z T A L K 13:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Ma'az: Instead of wasting my time on this invalid AfD, I would repeat what I said above, Either you're misinterpreting Wikipedia policies or misreading them therefore my honest advice to you is to familiarise yourself with the policies before you decide to nominate more MP bios for deletion. --
Saqib (
talk)
06:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. 12:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 14:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This person is an elected politician in a Pakistani state legislature. As such, she easily passes the criteria for WP:POLITICIAN:
"Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.[12] This also applies to persons who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them."
Wikipedia is structurally biased against non-European people. This is why we have criteria for notability which do not require finding lots of good RS. Only 50% of the world's population has internet access, and to suggest that an elected Pakistani politician does not meet this criteria seems unaware of the geographical and structural bias which makes it harder to prove notability for non-European people. This article, and all articles on elected Pakistani MPs, are inherently notable. Jwslubbock ( talk) 15:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- If Wikipedia is that biased against non-Europeans, then we should have articles on every European politician ever elected to the office with heavy reliance on primary sources. Do we have? M A A Z T A L K 21:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Keep I am always suspicious when I happen on a deletion proposal made by a new user with only a couple of thousand edits. I am even more suspicious when a see a new user wikilawyering away trying to introduce novel interpretations of a simple rule. This person is an elected politician in a Pakistani state legislature. It ends there. We don't have one rules for a Member of the Scottish Parliament, and one for the Panjab, Balochistan, Pakistan or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly. I am suspicious that when one new user goes on a delete fest, that they fail to understand that we are here to create an encyclopedia not to own it WP:OWN ClemRutter ( talk) 20:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- All this is part of experience that's why Wikipedia allows users(including new users) to use AFD. Little drops of water make a mighty ocean. WP:AGF, WP:BITE. If you think new users shouldn't be allowed, then you can discuss this on some other forum. And I have given my claims. You can give yours. Everybody can until a consensus is achieved. M A A Z T A L K 21:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. If a subject clearly passes WP:N, it will easily pass WP:GNG. M A A Z T A L K 20:47, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - This person is an elected politician in a Pakistani state legislature. That is enough Victuallers ( talk) 23:48, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: clearly notable as an elected representative at state level. Pam D 10:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - notable; the article needs to be expanded. Atsme 📞 📧 16:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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