Wikipedia:articles For Deletion Roxanne Allison Baeyens

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm not at this time creating redirects because most of these women have participated in several beauty pageants, which means that editors interested in such topics should decide which if any event these articles should redirect to. They may request undeletion via WP:REFUND as needed if any content is to be merged to the redirect targets. Sandstein 12:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Roxanne Allison Baeyens

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The biography meets the black-letter definition of what should not be an article as spelled out at the BLP1E policy, reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. The biography essentially notes a person who was obscure, obtained the 12-month regional title, did not obtain a more notable title, and returned to obscurity. Maintaining as a sub-stub attracts a bunch of false, promotional, or just plain unverifiable claims about the subject. ☆ Bri ( talk) 01:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are similar non-notables linked from Miss International 2019, Miss Earth 2019 and Miss World 2019.

Miss Earth 2019

Miss World 2019

Miss International 2019

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Additionally, in many cases, they have been substantially created by persistent sockfarms probably acting to promote the events or related media outlets (e.g. Vavrušková, edited by MissCDO2019 or Milena Sadowska, created by a sock and the edit history dominated by at least five more). ☆ Bri ( talk) 01:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Comment – Paola Torres is also an actress, so I listed this discussion at the Actors and filmmakers delsort page. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Yes, the article says she is an actor but doesn't provide anything to verify that. In fact there are exactly two sources in the article and one is missosology.info web forum and the other missosology.org, both of which are unacceptable per WP:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Sources, but I left them alone for the duration of this AfD. - Bri.public ( talk) 14:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

Delete all Usually I oppose mass deletion, but having checked all of the nominated articles I want to support the nominator. The sources in all of the articles talk only about one event - there's no more significant coverage. Less Unless ( talk) 17:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Strong Keep for the Roxanne Allison Baeyens article which cited plethora of third party reliable sources or significant sources (45 sources). The biography did not cover the person only in the context of a single event. In fact, there are multiple reliable sources that can be found online about the subject in multiple events, multiple languages, and different years. She won the national search for the Miss Tourism Philippines with multiple reliable sources: (e.g, ABS-CBN News, Philippine Canadian Inquirer, GMA Network News. She also competed internationally and won second place in the Miss Tourism & Culture Universe and received multiple reliable sources (e.g., The Philippine Star, Manila Standard, Good News Philippines) In 2020, she obtained another notable national title, Miss Philippines Earth 2020 and received multiple reliable sources (e.g., CNN, ABS-CBN, GMA Network News, Rappler, Manila Times, The Manila Standard, Philippine Daily Inquirer, The Manila Bulletin, Philippine Star, and etc., refer to the article for the actual sources cited). The article also met WP:GNG since the subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Sources cited are reliable, independent, and coverage is significant. Also WP:BASIC states “People who meet the basic criteria (see WP:GNG) may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria”. ---17:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Roxanne Allison Baeyens also meets the WP:ENTERTAINER since she has done multiple TV commercials such as Jack 'n jill, Axe, Nescafé among others shown in multiple nationwide television channels in the Philippines with an estimated 109,581,078 people at mid year according to 2020 UN data.--- Richie Campbell ( talk) 18:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

I don't think you've adequately explained how WP:ENTERTAINER applies to television commercials. Are you claiming that e.g. a Nescafé commercial is a "notable...other production"?? -- Bri.public ( talk) 18:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply

The subject above (Baeyens) is a model; I have cited the TV Commercial products she has done, not that WP:ENTERTAINER applies to television commercials. WP:NMODEL is part of the WP:ENTERTAINER.--- Richie Campbell ( talk) 00:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC) reply

You've lost me, because your words are the subject "meets WP:ENTERTAINER since she has done multiple TV commercials such as ... Nescafé", but then you said you are "not [asserting] that WP:ENTERTAINER applies to television commercials"; I guess I'll step back and let the closer of this debate figure it out. ☆ Bri ( talk) 00:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC) reply

delete all without prejudice ; no notability beyond pageant. At best, some of them may be salvaged by merging basic info into the pageant pages. Staszek Lem ( talk) 19:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC) Staszek Lem ( talk) 19:45, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Redirect to event if they have a notable finalist finish and won some side awards like Miss Congeniality or something. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark • sniff) 22:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment. Re: Milena Sadowska. Polish Wikipedia assumes all winners of Miss Polonia are notable by default, as the winners of the Polish biggest and oldest beauty pageant (see pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2020:10:11:Milena Sadowska). That said, while I considered 'weak keep' for her, there is zero coverage of her outside winning the award, so per WP:ONEVENT, having her name mentioned in the Miss Polonia winners should be enough so I suggest soft deletion and redirect for her. I did not have time to review the other entries. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
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Delete all all of these people are non-notable beauty pageant contestants. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC) reply
Redirect and draft per above. Fails WP:NMODEL. ApprenticeFan work 13:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC) reply

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