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The result was keep. Nominator has effectively withdrew. (non-admin closure) Kirbanzo ( talk) 19:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC) reply

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Subject does not meet general WP:Notability requirements. The article is virtually a summary of articles the subject has written as a journalist. After doing some research it seems there are very few independent reliable sources that are directly about the subject itself, besides articles about a physical altercation. Derek M ( talk) 15:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

To be clear I am not attempting to argue esports is not relevant for Wikipedia, WP:ESPORTS clearly demonstrates that. I am also not even arguing that Richard Lewis is not relevant within esports journalism, as his work (on, for example, exposing cheating in professional play) has sparked conversation within esports. What I am arguing is that he is one of the best of a niche field in the already-niche esports. Despite what Richard Lewis has said on Twitter, anger with him is not at all the motivation for this AfD request -- I am actually a fan of RL and when searching for sources to create an article for Thorin I decided I didn't believe he meet WP:N, and so I believed RL didn't as well for the same reasons. Being a fan of RL doesn't mean I believe he meets WP:N though. If I'm wrong, that's still okay, since then maybe I will write that Thorin article after all. Derek M ( talk) 03:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Delete all I feel like with journalists, if they don't write for a major national newspaper/broadcaster or they have not won an award of some sort, they do not meet the notability stipulation. Moreover, e-sports is not yet seen as a mainstream "sport" - not even by the IOC (currently, it remains under consideration) who has led the way in thinking of considering its appeal. JamesMatthews01 ( talk) 16:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Keep The article needs some cleaning up, but Lewis was broadcasting on television for Turner Sports, which is a major media company. He qualifies under WP:JOURNALIST both being regarded as an important figure and widely cited; a quick search finds the largest industry award for this area, the Esports Awards, honored him in 2016 and he's widely quoted in that field. Whether Esports is a sport or a game isn't really relevant here, the issue is whether Esports is notable and if it isn't, there is a *lot* of cleaning up to do given that there are dozens of Esport-related categories; League of Legends alone has 89 players with entries. CoffeeCrumbs ( talk) 17:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Richard Lewis has been a contributor for major publications within his career such as The Daily Dot and Breitbart. He has also been host of a successful sports show on a major cable TV channel. Furthermore he has been nominated and has received many awards for his journalistic work within the category of "E-Sports". Thus I believe he meets that standards of WP:JOURNALIST as a figurehead in the reporting and presenting of "E-Sports" within the mainstream. I concur completely with the assessment by CoffeeCrumbs in that there may need to be some cleaning up to the article. GRSmith0 ( talk) 17:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 18:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 18:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 18:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Delete I take your point about this not being about notability of e-sports, think that's valid. But just because someone broadcasted for Turner doesn't make them notable. If I read the news on BBC radio in Fife (Scotland), I wouldn't be considered notable, even though BBC radio in Fife is owned by the BBC. Also, given on Wikipedia, the Daily Mail is not considered to be a serious media outlet, then I don't see how we can count Breitbart as a serious media outlet. I don't know whether the Esports Awards are notable. They seem prima facie an award in a pretty niche sector, though I could be wrong on that. But regardless, it's hardly a major national award like a Pulitzer in the US or the British Press Awards in the UK. JamesMatthews01 ( talk) 02:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC) reply

I would disagree with your analogy on the BBC. I'm not saying that he broadcasted on some local station or obscure offshoot that just happened to be owned by Turner Sports, he was broadcasting on TBS, Turner's flagship television station. As for awards, no, it's not the Oscars or an Emmy award, but it *is* the largest award in his industry and at the very least, it demonstrates that he's considered important by his peers (which is another part of the guideline). CoffeeCrumbs ( talk) 04:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC) reply

• Keep. There is enough significant coverage in reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] And to show that this isn't just in-industry promotional material, there's plenty of sources that depict Mr. Lewis in a negative light. [7] [8] And in addition to this, there are numerous articles that do not have significant coverage of Mr. Lewis, but do talk about his work in a non-trivial fashion, which combined with the above would be enough to make WP:BASIC. [9] (winning esports journalist of the year), [10] [11] [12] ---- Patar knight - ^chat/ _{contributions} 23:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Comment I have to say I'm still not overwhelmingly convinced. The Telegraph article was really a "passing reference" rather than Lewis being the actual subject of the story (he wasn't - the Youtube live-streaming service was). Having said that, I suppose "Kotaku" could well be a significant source of news in the gaming industry (over 2 million Twitter followers), though for me, it's not quite the level of reliability for a news organisation, say, like the NYTimes, which is Wikipedia's gold-standard. I am starting to think he may be a big enough name in the industry, though. JamesMatthews01 ( talk) 01:36, 21 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Keep Patar knight has convinced me the subject meets the notability guidelines, so I have changed my mind on this proposal. This is my first AfD so I'm unsure whether the discussion is expected to continue or whether I am expected to close this AfD somehow. Derek M ( talk) 03:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC) reply

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