- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete with expressed permission to undelete, redirect and then merge from behind the redirect, the content to an overarching list, should it be created. Daniel ( talk) 00:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Previous prod by User:Kinu. I did also consider the sources provided at Talk:Ras Dva but they seem to amount to one short superlative of dubious relability and few other mentions in passing, no substantial coverage. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/Merge Could be included in a one-line mention in the Industrial Music article, I don't see merit in keeping it as an article by itself. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It's unfortunate but not unexpected to see this Afd; Music labels don't have specific notability criteria like artists/bands, so the default is the company/business criteria. This creates a conundrum because most indie labels derive their notability from the bands & releases they produce and/or from the people/entities that establish the label, both of which are explicitly excluded from the business notability criteria. Add to that the fact that it is rare to have the label itself as a topic of secondary sources - in this case I was able to track down a couple of "label reports" in contemporary scene zines that treat on Ras Dva, but only as far as discussing upcoming releases, not the label operations or history. So, while I would love to see this article survive I have to reluctantly admit that without any more specific notability criteria for labels this article doesn't meet the letter of the existing specifications. Now, I can think of a dozen similar labels that either don't have articles (probably due to the same problem with notability) or could be similarly threatened with deletion for those that do... what would be the most appropriate article to maintain some of this info if individual articles are not warranted? (edit: would it be appropriate to create something like "List of Industrial Music Labels" and with redirects for specific label names to the list for those without articles, and to add the list link to the Industrial Music template?)
-- t_kiehne (
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04:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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Tkiehne, Existence of similar articles invokves
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (irrelevant / nominate them for discussion here...). How to save relevant information is a more valid question (keeping in mind
WP:ITSUSEFUL, however). Options include 1) identifying a target where this can be merged (or even creating one, and yes I think your proposed
list of industrial music labels is a very sensible idea in this context) or 2) transwiki to a relevant wiki in wikia/fandom or even wikibooks. There is also the option of 3) user draftification if someone thinks they can improve it in the future.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Piotrus - For the list idea, I am inspired by something like this
List of electronic music festivals - though I don't see the number of labels that are predominantly "industrial" (and related genres) as being quite as numerous as the number of festivals on this list, the format is attractive in that it can give enough useful information for those labels who don't have enough notability to warrant standalone article, such as what we are talking about with this Afd. Label redirects to this list will allow cross-reference from band/artist and other articles that mention label(s) if no standalone article exists. If this sounds like a viable option I am more than happy to begin constructing the list.
-- t_kiehne (
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20:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Tkiehne, I don't consider myself a list expert (see
WP:NLIST and such) but I think saving the article in this fashion is preferable to no action.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, a "list" article only requires that the topic - the subject of the list - is deemed notable. The inclusion of company/product names that form part of the list do not require notability in their own right, the only requirement is to show references that mention the company/product as part of the topic list. Hope that makes sense. It is a difficult area as you say but this way, the information would be preserved. HighKing ++ 12:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Tkiehne, I don't consider myself a list expert (see
WP:NLIST and such) but I think saving the article in this fashion is preferable to no action.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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Piotrus - For the list idea, I am inspired by something like this
List of electronic music festivals - though I don't see the number of labels that are predominantly "industrial" (and related genres) as being quite as numerous as the number of festivals on this list, the format is attractive in that it can give enough useful information for those labels who don't have enough notability to warrant standalone article, such as what we are talking about with this Afd. Label redirects to this list will allow cross-reference from band/artist and other articles that mention label(s) if no standalone article exists. If this sounds like a viable option I am more than happy to begin constructing the list.
-- t_kiehne (
talk)
20:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Tkiehne, Existence of similar articles invokves
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (irrelevant / nominate them for discussion here...). How to save relevant information is a more valid question (keeping in mind
WP:ITSUSEFUL, however). Options include 1) identifying a target where this can be merged (or even creating one, and yes I think your proposed
list of industrial music labels is a very sensible idea in this context) or 2) transwiki to a relevant wiki in wikia/fandom or even wikibooks. There is also the option of 3) user draftification if someone thinks they can improve it in the future.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
03:25, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northern Escapee ( talk) 05:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northern Escapee ( talk) 05:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The topic company is not notable in its own right, I am unable to locate any significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content, references to date fail the criteria for establishing notability, topic therefore fails GNG/ WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 12:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.