- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. The consensus here is not the strongest but it does exist. If someone down the road wants to renominate this once we have a clearer idea of whether or not the coverage meets SUSTAINED, that can be addressed in the future nomination. However I advise in favor a reasonable delay before any hypothetical renomination. Ad Orientem ( talk) 02:54, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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A textbook WP:BLP1E. The subject is notable in so far as he was the victim of police persecution and nothing more. It would be impossible to write a full and balanced biography from the sources available. – Joe ( talk) 12:19, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment This is absurd. The article was titled Rakem Balogun Facebook incident until a clueless administrator decided to move it without leaving a redirect (or fixing any incoming links). Now it's threatened with deletion because its title (and putative subject) is the person and not the incident. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 12:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The coverage extends over several months, from the arrest to the dismissal of charges, and is likely to continue as the FBI continues to be criticized over its actions. This article from a newspaper in Spain, as well as the Guardian coverage referenced in the article, both indicate international interest in the story. This 2016 article from the BBC quotes Balogun as a founding member of Huey P Newton Gun Club, so he has been in the news long before the arrest. And if he seeks compensation for the arrest and detention, the fight for compensation is likely to generate coverage over a protracted period. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Nothing "clueless" about it. There were never links from other Wikipedia articles, and the article was written about the person, not the incident. Create some links if you have a problem with it. Deb ( talk) 13:03, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Like he said, a textbook WP:BLP1E. If someone thinks the incident is worth writing about -- and, frankly, I don't -- then someone can write that, a different article than this. But this is NOT a biography. -- Calton | Talk 13:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep as per Eastmain. I for one tagged this article for lack of clarity, and concurred with MShabazz on the article's talk page that the edits do not reflect fully the sources cited. However, that in itself does not warrant deletion. The issues can be fixed with editing to reflect the sources cited. The subject passes the notability guidelines, received ample coverage from several reliable third party sources and is a bye product of the Black Identity Extremism nonsense cooked up by the FBI under the administration of Trump. As the first person to suffer miscarriage of justice under this fabricated policy/agenda, it is notable enough to receive great coverage from several reliable third party sources. If the article is edited as it should be as per the sources cited, it would provide counter criticism of that foolish policy/agenda. When he decides to pursue legal action, it would also attract further coverage. Senegambianamestudy ( talk) 00:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- The subject passes the notability guidelines, received ample coverage from several reliable third party sources .
- Cool. Then tell me some things: where was he born? How old is he? Where did he go to school? What are some of his biggest personal accomplishments? What's he done OUTSIDE of this one incident which happened to him? Where are the reliable sources that actually discuss the man himself, in any depth whatsoever? -- Calton | Talk 23:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- We don't do original research here. We go by Wiki policy: notability and great coverage from reliable third part sources. If you are asking for original research rather than what the sources have reported, then you are in the wrong place. If you have an issue with how the sources reported the case, take it out with them.
Senegambianamestudy (
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14:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- They are not asking for original research, they are asking how the subject satisfies
WP:BLP1E, which was the concern I raised in both the nomination here and the PROD you contested. Having a large number of sources is useless if they offer no depth of coverage, especially if the subject is a living person. –
Joe (
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14:59, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- What you overlooked is that, this is more about the incident than the person involved. This incident is bigger than the person involved hence I agreed with MShabazz below. This article should be moved back. Senegambianamestudy ( talk) 17:01, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- They are not asking for original research, they are asking how the subject satisfies
WP:BLP1E, which was the concern I raised in both the nomination here and the PROD you contested. Having a large number of sources is useless if they offer no depth of coverage, especially if the subject is a living person. –
Joe (
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14:59, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- weak keep as per Eastmain. Linguisticgeek ( talk)
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- Delete per nom WP:BLP1E and fails WP:LASTING .There is news coverage, but it was not biographical in nature.About his arrest ,his posts in facebook against police and later that the charges were dropped in court.Only coverage of the arrest and droping of charges that is all. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 07:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and move back to Rakem Balogun Facebook incident, which has been the subject of sustained international news coverage since February. It was foolish to pretend this was a biography. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 08:23, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- I concur. That makes more sense. Senegambianamestudy ( talk)
- Keep Per Eastmain. \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 08:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- @
Septrillion, Eastmain voted for keep.
Senegambianamestudy (
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01:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 01:53, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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Septrillion, Eastmain voted for keep.
Senegambianamestudy (
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01:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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