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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 02:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC) reply

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This article appears to be predicated on grouping together various different protests and movements that have little to do with each other other than that they took place in 2022 to claim them as some sort of pan-European movement against the "green agenda", which itself is a very charged title ( WP:SYNTH, policy-wise?). Probably the ones that are most closely linked here are a number of ones listed that appear directly inspired by the Dutch farmers' protests (such as those mentioned in Germany and Spain), but none of those appear to be anywhere near as large as their inspiration, nor do they have their own articles. Maybe these sections could be merged with the articles on the Dutch protests, but I think that might be all here that's salvageable.

Aside from that, the headlines on the 66 sources that appears to mention these events in pan-European terms is this one, which again is solely related to the farmer protests. The other protests listed include among others, protests for wage increases in Belgium, the Yellow vests protests (which began years before anything else here) and the UK government crisis, which isn't even a social movement, nor is it tied to one. -- Totalibe ( talk) 22:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Politics, Environment, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, and Spain. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:03, 10 May 2023 (UTC) reply

When I wrote this article in the summer of 2022, of course my biggest inspiration was the farmers' protests in the Netherlands. However, when the wave of protests swept Germany, Belgium, Spain, Italy and Poland, I saw that the problem is not only the Dutch government and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, but a much deeper problem that requires a much broader picture. I believe that this article should not be deleted but updated and supplemented, e.g. about the shocking defeat of the Dutch government in the local elections in March this year. But also the shocking victory of the Dutch populist farmer party BBB. Such a development is precisely the result of the whims of a group of philanthropists from Davos who want to implement the reforms required by the "Green Agenda" at any cost, which apparently leave many people without work and without income, so they are dissatisfied and constantly protest. For example. the fall of Mario Draghi's government in Italy was not a consequence of either the Anti-COVID or the sanctions policy towards Russia, but the result of the fall of the Italian government was a conflict with farmers and farmers who protested due to the sudden drop in the price of milk, and the rise in the prices of food and other products, the cause of which precisely the "Green Agenda". What do we have in Italy today? We have a hard populist, extremely conservative, right-wing and somewhat neo-fascist government. In France and Germany and Belgium and Spain and partly in Poland, there were large protests by farmers who oppose the policy of the Green Party in Germany, whose holders are Robert Habeck and Analena Berbock, the current German foreign minister. In France, Macron is also someone who is a supporter of the "Green Agenda", and from the beginning he has been under fire and in conflict with the majority of his citizens because without some unpopular reforms he cannot implement the "Green Agenda" in full and we are witnessing that he withdraws increasingly undemocratic measures that cause anger and riots on French streets. Poland is still unknown to me in terms of protests because I'm not sure that Morawiecki's right-wing populist government has ceded its sovereignty too much to the controversial "Green Agenda" unlike Western Europe and Germany. Perhaps the part of the article related to Poland should be removed as well as to the Czech Republic where "Protests against inflation" started. But in addition to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Covid-19 pandemic, the fact is that the "Green Agenda" is one of the causes of inflation and the economic crisis in Europe, because its activation requires the shutdown of heavy industry, the abolition of fossil fuels, the killing of millions of cattle, the extinguishing of tens of thousands farms, the production of artificial meat (which Bill Gates intends), the interruption of the distribution of mining and processing of heavy metals, and this leaves millions of people without work and money. Certainly, the greatest resistance to the "Green Agenda" is in the Netherlands, France and Germany, while in Italy it failed with the fall of Draghi's government and the coming to power of right-wing populists who are absolute opponents. It may be a "Green Agenda" policy, but it has not completely disappeared because its proponents continue to promote it through the left-wing opposition, which is still strong. In France, the extreme left and right oppose the policies of Macron, who is Davos' right-hand man. In Germany, the "Green Agenda" holds power, and then in the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia and Austria, where President Van Der Bellen is a member of the Green Party. Only in Eastern and Central Europe is there still not as strong an organized resistance to the "Green Agenda" as in Western Europe, where it has begun to be widely implemented. The "Green Agenda" probably has a lot of its advantages in terms of ecology, but unfortunately also a lot of harmful economic effects due to which people in France, the Netherlands, Germany and to a lesser extent in Spain are fiercely resisting. As for the fall of Boris Johnson's government, you are probably right. Its decline is not related to the "Green Agenda" policy, but to the CONSEQUENCES of BREXIT, Anti-Covid measures and policies towards Ukraine. That should be deleted. My mistake. — Baba Mica ( talk) 15:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Rename: Change this pages name to -> Protests against Green Politics. Current title is too value-laden. Jack4576 ( talk) 12:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• Rename as suggested above. Even if a thing or two could be better, WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. SYNTH does not apply. gidonb ( talk) 19:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC) reply
• Comment. I am worried about WP:OR/ WP:SYNTH here (ping User:Gidonb, why do you think SYNTH does not apply?). That said, the overall topic is likely notable. Naming is an issue (but probably should be discussed on article's talk). "Protests against the green agenda" is a Wikipedia-invented name. So would be "Protests against Green Politics" (sorry, User:Jack4576). I did a quick check for other names on Google Scholar. A few scholary papers ( ~5) use term "anti environmental protests". "anti green protests" is not used. I am blanking on what else, but regarding renaming, I'd go with anti environmental protests for now, I guess, as this term is not a total OR at least. -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Social science-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC) reply

User:Piotrus, you pinged me, then went on to support my point by referring to broad academic articles. Also in the news media comparisons exist. We stand here firmly on the shoulders of others. gidonb ( talk) 11:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• Question - could someone please link to the few best sources that treat this as a single coherent topic and which includes multiple of these examples? ( WP:NLIST) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete. This is an incomprehensible and decaying bucket of bananas sitting on top of a soapbox, wrapping under a tarp of a synthetic essay. Bearian ( talk) 18:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Delete I don't even recall it being a cohesive "thing" and whatever notability it had has fizzled. This seems to be a synthesis/OR article, about things that never happened. Each protest might be notable by itself, but there wasn't and isn't something as cohesive as a Green Wave or what have you that ever happened. Oaktree b ( talk) 18:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• I haven't taken the time to read the article fully, but from a glance this seems like WP:ADVOCACY or WP:SYNTH. I would support a draftify and probably delete. Sungodtemple ( talk • contribs) 21:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC) reply

  Can you hold on for another day when I have more time? What's not clear to you? Protests against the green agenda (politics) are not happening? Farmers are not protesting all over Europe? If you are a representative of that policy, you cannot tell me that something is not happening that is happening in real time. The article should be edited, not deleted. Perhaps the date should be moved from June 10, 2022 to October 1, 2019, when the farmers' protests began in the Netherlands, rather than mid-2022 when they escalated across Europe. I explained everything in the comment above which I guess you didn't even read. — Baba Mica ( talk) 01:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC) reply

• Delete per Bearian. This article doesn't distinguish between farmers' protests and general anti-government protests, pure soap with no coherent article topic. Jdcooper ( talk) 03:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC) reply

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