- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete and move to draft space. El_C 05:22, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Portland Women March Against Hate
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Minor protest with only local news coverage. — JFG talk 07:40, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, but move to March Against Hate and expand the article's scope to include Seattle ( source, source, source), San Antonio ( source, source, Stevens Point ( source), Pittsburgh ( source), etc. I already had plans to expand the scope of this article beyond just Portland, but I seem to never be given more than a couple hours to work on an article before it's nominated for deletion. User:JFG, it would be really helpful if you'd be willing to let articles develop, or express your concerns on the talk page before immediately nominating every Trump-related article being created. But, here we are, so I hope editors will take time to consider this article expansion instead of voting to merge/delete solely based on this Portland content. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:01, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- If you want to develop articles before putting them out there, use the Draft space. This will avoid drama. Note that I did support you when you recently expanded an article that had been quickly pushed to AfD. However, when you create weaker stubs in article space, you are setting yourself up for criticism. —
JFG
talk 18:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Alright, well, it would have been nice to have more time to work on the article before AfD, because now I can't move the page and expand its scope until this discussion ends. This could have been solved by simply moving the page or posting a note on the article's talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:50, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- If you want to develop articles before putting them out there, use the Draft space. This will avoid drama. Note that I did support you when you recently expanded an article that had been quickly pushed to AfD. However, when you create weaker stubs in article space, you are setting yourself up for criticism. —
JFG
talk 18:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect per Another Believer. Frankly this could have been done with a merge tag with less drama than an AfD. Montanabw (talk) 03:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: I would move the page and start expanding the article's scope now, but I understand I should not move the article during an AfD discussion. If this is not true, please let me know and I'll get to work! Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
- Move and keep per Another Believer. LM2000 ( talk) 05:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: I've started expanding the article's scope in an attempt to illustrate how and why I think this article should be saved. I cannot move the article to March Against Hate while this discussion is ongoing, but my goal is to have a parent article with section for related demonstrations. I've moved Portland details to a section, listed a few cities in the lead, and look forward to expanding this list of cities and their respective sections soon. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 05:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- @ JFG: I'd like for you to please consider withdrawing this nomination. I'd like to move the article to March Against Hate and expand the article appropriately. Currently, this discussion is preventing me from being able to do so. Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:44, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- I would recommend working on
Draft:March Against Hate, and meanwhile letting the discussion about the Portland march run its course. In reply to
Montanabw, I will note that there was no article to merge to when I nominated this one for deletion (unless you meant to merge it with the generic
Protests against Donald Trump article). —
JFG
talk 14:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- @ JFG: I shouldn't need to move content to the draft space and allow the deletion of this page, when it can simply be moved... But you prefer to let this discussion run its course, so that's fine, I just had to ask. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- I would recommend working on
Draft:March Against Hate, and meanwhile letting the discussion about the Portland march run its course. In reply to
Montanabw, I will note that there was no article to merge to when I nominated this one for deletion (unless you meant to merge it with the generic
Protests against Donald Trump article). —
JFG
talk 14:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete This is not notable. Zigzig20s ( talk) 16:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Are there national sources? Otherwise the vast majority of this coverage appears to be local, which makes the article a coat rack for minutiae of local events rather than a singular national event czar 17:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- @ Czar: I'm not sure yet. I'm still working on other Trump articles that have been nominated for deletion/merge (hard to keep up!), not to mention, it's hard to motivate myself to work on articles marked for deletion. (Then again, this may be the reason certain editors are nominating many Trump-related articles as soon as they are created.) But IF there is a lack of sourcing describing a single national "March Against Hate" campaign, how do you feel about a more general article called " Marches against hate"? Don't we need an article to document these related demonstrations? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Based on the sourcing, these marches appear to be more anti-Trump than anything else, I would recommend covering them in the existing
Protests against Donald Trump, whereby they can split out
summary style.
czar 23:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- @
Czar: Interestingly, the rally in Stevens Point, Wisconsin had nothing to do with Trump. More research is needed to develop a more thorough list of "marches against hate" and determine if there are enough connections to justify an article about
Marches against hate. ---
Another Believer (
Talk) 18:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- That would make it a local protest with only local coverage unless it's linked to something broader. In any event, I'd ask for the page to be incubated in draftspace if the sourcing wasn't compiled but could be, potentially.
czar 21:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with a move to the draft space. I'd move the page myself but cannot do so until this AfD discussion closes. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- That would make it a local protest with only local coverage unless it's linked to something broader. In any event, I'd ask for the page to be incubated in draftspace if the sourcing wasn't compiled but could be, potentially.
czar 21:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- @
Czar: Interestingly, the rally in Stevens Point, Wisconsin had nothing to do with Trump. More research is needed to develop a more thorough list of "marches against hate" and determine if there are enough connections to justify an article about
Marches against hate. ---
Another Believer (
Talk) 18:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Based on the sourcing, these marches appear to be more anti-Trump than anything else, I would recommend covering them in the existing
Protests against Donald Trump, whereby they can split out
summary style.
czar 23:10, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:45, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete' WP:NOTNEWS. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 06:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:NEVENT. Purely trivial and local coverage only. Also delete per WP:NOTNEWS. AusLondonder ( talk) 04:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete article has serious WP:OR and WP:SYNTH problems. Lede asserts that this is a "series" of marches, but no sources describe them as coordinated or centrally organized. bottom line: non-notable local event. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable and fails multiple Wikipedia policies. Gary "Roach" Sanderson ( talk) 18:26, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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