- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Fundação para a Ciência e Tecnologia. Sandstein 09:55, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Philosophica
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Article PRODed with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODed by article creator ( Gleaman: note that the director of the publisher, the Philosophy Documentation Center, is "George Leaman" but no possible COI was declared) with reason "This journal is indexed in at least two selective indexes, and there are external references that confirm this. Since DOIs were only recently assigned to back issue content it will take a few months for citations to be visible in services such as Dimensions or CrossRef." However, none of the databases listed in the article is "selective" in the sense of NJournals. MIAR does not list any selective databases either. The rest of the dePROD reason is trivial. Hence, PROD reason still stands. Therefore: Delete. Randykitty ( talk) 16:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. Randykitty ( talk) 16:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philosophy-related deletion discussions. Randykitty ( talk) 16:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- This journal has been indexed for many years in two selective indexes, International Philosophical Bibliography (Belgium) and Philosopher's Index (USA). The journal's title used in these indexes is "Philosophica. Lisboa." or ("Philosophica (Lisboa)". What confirmation do you require that has not been provided? Gleaman ( talk) 16:32, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Those indexes are selective as to subject matter, but within their field, they try to be comprehensive, meaning that they are not selective in the sense of NJournals. -- Randykitty ( talk) 16:55, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Is the journal indexed in any notable (does it have an article) journal indexing database? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:11, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of databases that are not selective still are notable themselves. A good example is
PubMed Central, a notable database but absolutely non-selective, as it takes anything if it's open access and also manuscripts from authors who have been funded by NIH. Indexing in PMC alone is never enough for a journal to be kept at AfD. The same applies here. The databases in which this journal is indexed are selective concerning their subject matter, but strive to be as comprehensive as possible. Such databases can be very important for people working in their field but being indexed in them does not make a journal notable. --
Randykitty (
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12:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Is the journal indexed in any selective notable database? SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:55, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Lots of databases that are not selective still are notable themselves. A good example is
PubMed Central, a notable database but absolutely non-selective, as it takes anything if it's open access and also manuscripts from authors who have been funded by NIH. Indexing in PMC alone is never enough for a journal to be kept at AfD. The same applies here. The databases in which this journal is indexed are selective concerning their subject matter, but strive to be as comprehensive as possible. Such databases can be very important for people working in their field but being indexed in them does not make a journal notable. --
Randykitty (
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12:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- No, it isn't. (I obviously disagree on this with the article creator (and director of the publisher) below. --
Randykitty (
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13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Well then, I lean to “delete”. I think that a claim to being indexed (selectively) by something non-notable is a worthless claim. If the databases selectively indexing it are notable, then write an article on the database first. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 14:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- No, it isn't. (I obviously disagree on this with the article creator (and director of the publisher) below. --
Randykitty (
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13:37, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- International Philosophical Bibliography and Philosopher's Index do not aim to cover all journals in this field; they aim to cover all journals believed by the editors to be worth covering. They are comparable to the Atla Religion Index and I believe they meet the WP:NJournals criteria. This is relevant in so far as this info applies to this journal. Gleaman ( talk) 19:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Please help me understand the notability standard being applied to humanities indexing databases. Is it just whether or not that database has an article? Gleaman ( talk) 18:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- Merge with Fundação para a Ciência e Tecnologia: Smerge (selectively, minimally, merge to) Fundação para a Ciência e Tecnologia, which is the journal’s current sponsor. Some mention there seems reasonable. I can see no justification for a standalone article. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 14:20, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 16:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Fundação para a Ciência e Tecnologia The sponsor and the journal both appear to be minimally notable and merger would present the preferred WP:ATD. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.