![]() | This discussion was subject to a
deletion review on 2022 November 8. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
The result was delete. Despite the arguments to Keep this article, there is no SIGCOV that is evident, in the article or in this discussion, this article is just another display of an IMDB page and so doesn't meet requirements for articles to be encyclopedic. Liz Read! Talk! 05:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
Difficult to complete a BEFORE search because of the mix of sources with ones about Patrick Wilson (American actor) but so far as I can tell there isn't SIGCOV for this guy. Clearly other editors have also noticed this given the tags on the page. May just barely meet WP:NACTOR #1 though I'm not too familiar with the work he's done and couldn't guarantee any of it meets the requirements. If deleted, would also recommend moving Patrick Wilson (American actor) to Patrick Wilson (actor) (which already redirects there anyway). QuietHere ( talk) 12:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. While there is a consensus that this actor has had roles in multiple TV shows and movies, that doesn't necessarily translate into SIGCOV. I'm relisting this discussion for another week to leave room for more feedback and possibly improvements to the article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
Read!
Talk!
21:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it.The state of the article in not a determination on notability but there is a criteria of BURDEN (policy) when challenged. According to the challenge(s), current state of the article, and comments, a keep in this state and the article will likely become a perennial subject. This is a BLP (noted on the talk page), yet is really totally unsourced just using unreliable sources in an "External links" (IMDb and TVNZ profile), which Wikipedia-wide consensus has long shown not to be acceptable. What we end up with is actually a list-class filmography that is unsourced. Please note: the criteria of WP:NACTOR falls under the guideline of Wikipedia:Notability (people) that is quite clear in the lead, the WP:BASIC, and "Additional criteria" sections (that includes WP:ANYBIO and WP:NACTOR), on sourcing in an article. This is covered in the not to often mentioned WP:BIOSPECIAL when a subject "meets one or more of the additional criteria" but "lacks appropriate sources". The above information will show the article does not pass the criteria for a stand alone article. Consensus is not a "vote" but
Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.Arguing that WP:NACTOR is sufficient is taking one part of a whole and arguing that the whole is fulfilled. The article has been tagged since October 2011 for notability and since 2019 as needing more sourcing, or eleven years with no improvement. When Wikipedia was new all was fair to keep growing. At a point reliability became more important and sourcing through "External links" not acceptable, yet we are attempting to show here that sourcing is not really important and by proxy that policies not so important either, --or-- maybe there is more to our inclusion criteria than NACTOR alone. -- Otr500 ( talk) 15:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)