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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Palatine Lodge No. 97 (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)

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On the surface, this looks like a well-sourced article of a very old organization. However, when reviewing the sources, there are no independent secondary sources that discuss the subject in-depth. All sources are affiliated with the organization, either directly to the lodge or Freemasonry. A review of sources are available at the talk page Talk:Palatine_Lodge_No._97#Excessive_Primary_Sources. As existence, even long existence is not notability, I believe this article fails WP:NORG and despite expressing concerns in draft and main space, no attempt to find independent, secondary sources has been attempted.A WP:BEFORE does not locate significant coverage. Slywriter ( talk) 21:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and England. Slywriter ( talk) 21:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Although I have made many points in defence of this article on the article and Slywriters talk pages, I feel I should briefly reiterate that sources are independent and are not affiliated with Palatine Lodge No 97.

The University of Sheffield, who hold and publish the Lane’s Masonic Records are in no way affiliated.

The Newspapers and articles held in the British Museum Archive, from various publications (and geographic locations) are not affiliated.

The Beamish Open Air Museum is a Social History Museum and has no affiliation with Palatine Lodge No 97. etc, etc

To further enhance this article, I’ve located and included two book references.

So, to conclude, the sources in this article have been written by independent third parties. They were written by persons who have no connection to the Palatine Lodge but were simply reporting on its verified activities. Thankyou. Stev201961 ( talk) 10:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 14:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC) reply

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