The result was Delete. I took into account the arguments and input that were from non-involved and non-invested users that were not using multiple accounts, and did not significantly contribute to the article's creation or arguments/disputes during the process. These users established that notability is not met (per WP:GNG), and that the majority of the reliable sources cited or found were not covering this article subject as it's main topic of material, but notable people that made mention of the article subject instead. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 00:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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The article is regarding an organization which is not really notable, and the article is biased. Rd897 ( talk) 13:00, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
*Delete It reads like a promo and relies upon mostly primary sources.
Imalawyer (
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17:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
The user rd897 seems to have some sort of personal problem against the said organisation, which as you are aware has not spared them sharing private details of individuals on wikipedia, causing potential harm to them (specifically, user Mohanish Borana and Sanam Arora). This is made all the more concerning by the fact that they are using wikipedia to delete only two pages - National Indian Students Union UK and Sanam Arora, and that is their only contribution to Wikipedia. Should they be allowed to use a platform such as Wikipedia to take out what seems are personal issues?
Regarding the actual notability of the organisation, please note the below:
1. There are 5 patrons of this organisation, including a former United Nations Secretary General (Dr Shashi Tharoor), a member of UK parliament (Rt Hon Virendra Sharma MP), Former Deputy High Commissioner of India to UK (Dr Virander Paul) and an Indian Education Minister (Mr Ram Bilas Sharma). These senior figures have joined the organisation to support its good work and further its vision.
2. There are multiple high profile supporters of this organisation, including its Honorary Fellows - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (international peace-maker and spiritual guru), Dr SY Quraishi (former Chief Election Commissioner of India), Mr Javed Akhtar (Member of Parliament, India and Indian cinema legendary figure) and Mrs Shabana Azmi (Social activist and Indian cinema legendary figure).
3. This organisation is the only such organisation which is repeatedly engaged in advisory services by the Indian Government on matters relating to young Indian students and youth in the UK. All of this is made evident by various links to Indian government owned websites such as https://pbdindia.gov.in/session-report-5 - you will note that NISAU's president is the only UK student/alumni representative.
4. This organisation has been engaged by the Mayor of London to conduct exclusive research into experiences of Indian students in the UK.
5. This organisation to show some examples, has been called upon by: - UK Parliament's All Party Parliamentary Groups (see http://www.appgmigration.org.uk/sites/default/files/APPG_PSW_Inquiry_Report-FINAL.pdf) - Westminster Policymaking forums (see http://www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk/forums/slides/Sanam_Arora_International_Students.pdf) - Scottish Government (see http://news.gov.scot/news/scotlands-colleges-back-return-of-post-study-work-visa) - Indian High Commission in UK (see https://www.hcilondon.in/gallery.php?album=1794)
6. This organisation is featured in top Indian and UK newspapers for its work. Some recent examples include: - http://indianexpress.com/article/india/uk-must-remove-obstacles-faced-by-indian-students-shashi-tharoor/ - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/britain-indian-students-easier-uk-post-brexit-india-visa-relations-shashi-tharoor-kerala-mp-diplomat-a7623551.html - http://www.hindustantimes.com/education/visa-policies-for-indians-in-the-uk-must-focus-on-post-study-work-opportunities/story-MTGpTgoYvgSE8mTeBORoXJ.html
7. The President of the organisation was recently awarded the India UK thought leadership award for her work with the organisation. Please note that a fellow recipient of the same award was the Deputy Mayor of London. See some coverage by the Times: - https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/uk-india-relationship-at-risk-as-student-numbers-slide - https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/anglo-indian-ties-strained-student-visa-policy
I hope the few points above are enough to prove the claims made by user rd897 that accompany their deletion request, as baseless:
" The article is regarding an organization which is not really notable, and the article is biased " - a. User Mohanish explained (that rd897 later deleted), the presence of the organisation in more than 25 universities covering all 4 countries of the United Kingdom. In fact, the Northern Ireland wing of the organisation was launched by the Mayor of Belfast and the British Council. See - https://asianlite.com/news/uk-news/nisu-floats-n-ireland-chapter/
b. Notability is very explicit given the points above and, note most of these are stated on the wikipedia page for the organisation anyway This is a promo just written by the said organization and their representatives in a promotional way to big their own causes. Lack of notability for a small student group
a. This seems like a personal attack on the representatives of the organisation. Wikipedia should not allow its wonderful platform to be used to propagate such negativity
b. I don't agree that the article is written like a promo, but if rd897 feels that way, their view was respected and taking that into account user mohanish modified the text accordingly. rd897 reversed these changes instead of acknowledging that their views had been respected. Also note they didn't help in the first place by editing the page such that their views were taken into account. They simply want it deleted and are not helping either the cause of the organisation nor that of Wikipedia
c. A "small student group" is just factually incorrect. Small groups don't have presence in 5 countries - i.e. all 4 of the UK, and India. nor are they called upon by governments and supported by such senior figures. Even if the organisation was indeed "small", there is no reason for the great work being done by the organisation to not be shared with current, past and future Indian students who greatly appreciate all the work the organisation does to help and represent them. Note this is all done for free (as noted on the NISAU website). Not sure what "own causes" rd897 seems to be alluding to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Histbp1234 ( talk • contribs) 13:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rd897: The UK-wide presence of the organisation is described explicitly to remove contention of its notability. NISAU has its presence in 25 major universities of the UK including LSE, King's, Westminster, Warwick, SOAS, Manchester, Belfast, Edinburgh and prominent figures including members of parliament of both UK and India, Ministers, CBEs, Global icons in arts and spirituality are associated with it. What bias is seen in the content? Being an apolitical and non-religious organisation, no ideology is biasedly presented nor it only talked about the UK or India. When the issues that Indian students face was listed in the article, it was accompanied by the condemnation of visa-abuses.
@Imalawyer: Proper referencing is done and a lot of external sources are listed now. Language is altered too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MohanishB ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Organisation meets all criteria for Non Commercial Organisation i.e.
-- Histbp1234 ( talk) 16:52, 19 March 2017 (UTC) — Histbp1234 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.