Wikipedia:articles For Deletion National Hockey League Lore (2nd Nomination)

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 18:22, 7 September 2019 (UTC) reply

National Hockey League lore

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List based article entirely consisting of original research to make an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. The fact that the entire Talk page is trying to decide what is and isn't "lore" kind of shows that this entire list can ONLY be defined by original research.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 16:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply

Support deletion of article: discussions after the last deletion discussion didn't produce any criteria for including anecdotes on the page, and subsequent attempts to establish criteria have failed to garner any participation. In some sense this is not too surprising, as I'm not clear what objective standards could be used. isaacl ( talk) 17:09, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete: As with the NFL article, this article fails WP:NOT ( WP:INDISCRIMINATE) and is full of WP:OR. Anything important enough can be included in NHL history or individual articles. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 17:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete There is no criteria set out for what is constitutes "events deemed notable or memorable to the history of the National Hockey League." It's all original research, and anything important enough already has its own article or is noted elsewhere. Kaiser matias ( talk) 18:59, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete I created the article, but that was during a time in which I thought that such pages were acceptable on Wikipedia (read: NFL lore page). As the NFL lore page is gone now, I knew it was just a matter of time for this one.

What I think we should instead focus on is making more NHL individual pages for notable games and events, ala NFL (Read: Freezer Bowl, Music City Miracle, etc). The same way that we have for the Miracle on Manchester, Good Friday Massacre, etc. I understand that it's still hard to say what is "notable" among fans. And that list should be rightfully stripped down from what's included in this page. What might be acceptable for inclusion are games that are established in hockey media. Everyone knows the "Too Many Men" game, or the aforementioned Miracle On Manchester, etc). Or the Wayne Gretzky and Patrick Roy trades, as the Herschel Walker trade is considered relevant enough to have its own page, etc.

Hockey media and lore is just smaller, and not as established, and it's less popular overall in North America. So establishing notable NHL events is going to be harder. Even if like many of us (in the eyes of a hockey fan), you grew up knowing them, and their importance. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 19:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply

@ StrangeApparition2011: I'd support individual articles about some of the events, so long as they have notability and enough references to back them up. I'll agree that some would be difficult to sustain, but others (like the Gretzky trade) have more than enough to create an article, a good one even. Kaiser matias ( talk) 20:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Delete - as defining what passes for lore, is too difficult to pin down. GoodDay ( talk) 22:59, 31 August 2019 (UTC) reply
delete Seems like nothing but original research and subjective decisions as to what "lore" is. Sandals1 ( talk) 21:16, 2 September 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete Beginning to look like snow. oknazevad ( talk) 21:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC) reply
Delete as it fails WP:OR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. Flibirigit ( talk) 13:38, 7 September 2019 (UTC) reply

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