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The result was keep. czar 18:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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Out of the three external links cited in the article, the only link that works is a citation to his personal website. Could not find reliable secondary sources. Awsomaw ( talk) 14:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete
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LikeMeercats (
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21:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- @ LikeMeercats: do you want to reconsider your !vote? wumbolo ^^^ 16:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete, without prejudice against recreation if somebody can write and source a proper article.As written, this literally just says he was a politician, without actually stating or sourcing what political role he ever actually held, so it's impossible to measure against WP:NPOL. His self-published website does make a claim about that, but we have seen cases of people making inaccurate claims on their self-published websites about political roles they didn't really hold in reality, and there's literally not a single page in articlespace linking to this page either — so the notability test is not the presence of the words "deputado federal do Parana" in the identification banner on his own website, but the ability to independently verify the claim in other sources. (For an example of why his website's banner isn't good enough in and of itself, keep in mind that it does not inherently answer the question of whether he was an actual incumbent deputy, or just a candidate for a seat he never actually won.) So I'm willing to reconsider this if somebody with database access to older Brazilian media coverage can properly verify that he was actually a federal deputy — but without proper verification of that, we can't keep this article just because his own self-published website seemed to claim it. Bearcat ( talk) 21:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Revised to keep, as new sources have now been located to properly verify that he held an NPOL-passing role. Bearcat ( talk) 17:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Delete due to lack of proper sources that help establish notability. TH1980 ( talk) 04:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep If you couldn't find sources, you certainly weren't looking hard enough. This confirms that he was a federal deputy. I expanded the article so it isn't a permastub. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 17:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- It's not anybody's job to magically develop the ability to read a language they didn't already have the ability to read, so attacking other people for not finding sources you were able to find is not appropriate or acceptable behaviour in an AFD discussion. If you have the ability to salvage the article, then just do that and do not criticize other people for not being fluent enough in Portuguese to have done it themselves. That said, yes, your work does change things and is appreciated — but snarking on other people for not having skills in the particular language that was needed is not appreciated or appropriate.
Bearcat (
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17:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Easy now. I can read Portuguese about as well as the next guy, however it is clear after a
quick google search that he was indeed a federal deputy and he died in 2008. I am not attacking anyone simply stating they failed to perform a
WP:BEFORE search before voting. This is the general procedure at AfDs. The article before my expansion was admittedly very poor, but don't take it personally. ~
EDDY (
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17:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Here, I'll admit maybe my WP:BEFORE was a bit too cursory. I actually searched this and none of the results came back with something notable, just a few documents with his name listed with other politicians. Not sure why it didn't come to me to just google search his name by itself, thanks for the information and the expansion. Awsomaw ( talk) 18:20, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Easy now. I can read Portuguese about as well as the next guy, however it is clear after a
quick google search that he was indeed a federal deputy and he died in 2008. I am not attacking anyone simply stating they failed to perform a
WP:BEFORE search before voting. This is the general procedure at AfDs. The article before my expansion was admittedly very poor, but don't take it personally. ~
EDDY (
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contribs)~
17:56, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- It's not anybody's job to magically develop the ability to read a language they didn't already have the ability to read, so attacking other people for not finding sources you were able to find is not appropriate or acceptable behaviour in an AFD discussion. If you have the ability to salvage the article, then just do that and do not criticize other people for not being fluent enough in Portuguese to have done it themselves. That said, yes, your work does change things and is appreciated — but snarking on other people for not having skills in the particular language that was needed is not appreciated or appropriate.
Bearcat (
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17:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NPOL per Editorofthewiki's research - good work. SportingFlyer talk 00:08, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per sourced added by EDDY. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as is now, still should be improved but look at Brazilian politician stubs and this is no different than many of them.-- JAMillerKC ( talk) 23:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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