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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

We All Love Ella: Celebrating the First Lady of Song

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Found a review of the album in Billboard, but no other evidence of notability. No valid redirect targets that I'm aware of. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 23:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Could it be the soundtrack for this PBS special [1]? They both came out about the same time... Very minimal review in a Seattle newspaper [2]. I'm not seeing enough extensive coverage to build an article here. Oaktree b ( talk) 03:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I can't wrap my head around the idea to delete an album that shows various musicians paying tribute to another. Many of them are a surprise in this context, so the tracks are a valuable addition to their discography too. The album had an international release in eight countries, it comprises original material, some nowhere else to be found, others featured on later compilations (eg k.d. lang, m.bublé) Discogs.
I understand the point of the album not being better documented. But on the web it is is a little harder to find reviews from 2007, many papers don't have a proper archive that is easy to access. There are many lemmas of albums with only a reference to AllMusic where this album has also a review. (It is actually found everywhere my search shows, deezer, jazzecho, jambase, spotify, apple...) It is a release of the Ella Fitzgerald Charitable Foundation, who has heard about that? archieved booklet
It is certainly good music. So why would you want to delete it! Isn't there anything else to do? Improve this article?/ MenkinAlRire 08:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
The concern is with notability, i.e. encyclopedias (and thus Wikipedia) do not include all available information indiscriminately. If there isn't reliable coverage available that shows notability, then there's nothing to be improved upon. The AllMusic review is useful in this regard, but the rest of your links aren't for various reasons. And we can't just keep the album because notable artists were involved, as notability is not inherited. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 09:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ QuietHere:, I've added numerous reviews from The Wikipedia Library. No Swan So Fine ( talk) 20:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Clarence Railway. signed, Rosguill talk 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Demons Bridge railway station

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Fails GNG. Of the three sources, two are trivial mentions and one does not mention the station at all. A BEFORE search does not find anything more substantial. My bold redirect to Clarence Railway was removed by the article's creator. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Since you feel the need to copy-paste the same incoherent arguments across multiple AfDs, I will copy my refutation of your "arguments": I don't need to "get over" anything, train stations are not notable on Wikipedia simply by virtue of once existing, per community consensus. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 12:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect per nomination. The arguments above are thoroughly unconvincing, relying on made up policies and personal feelings. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 13:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It existed at one point and is documented to have. So you should get over it and accept it was once around when ROF Aycliffe existed. Personal feelings? Is it feeling oriented when arguing somewhere existed at one point. DragonofBatley ( talk) 08:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect as per nomination would be the best choice here. While the station itself is notable only on a local level, the railway it once served is notable enough for a Wikipedia page. TH1980 ( talk) 22:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete After careful consideration of the content and sourcing of the article on Demons Bridge railway station, it is evident that significant concerns exist regarding its notability under Wikipedia's guidelines. The station appears to lack substantial coverage in reliable, independent sources to establish its significance. While the topic is of local interest, the article does not meet the general notability guideline (GNG) due to insufficient verifiable information. Therefore, the recommended action is delete. This decision aligns with Wikipedia's core content policies, ensuring that articles reflect topics of encyclopedic significance with adequate sourcing. Alternative actions such as merge or redirect are not feasible given the current state of the article and the lack of related content to integrate or redirect towards. Yakov-kobi ( talk) 15:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC) Strike out AI-generated comment. Owen× ☎ 12:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    You wrote this with ChatGPT, didn't you? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 12:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Clarence Railway. The two keep !votes have failed to show that this is treated significantly in independent reliable secondary sources. I see a claim that "it's got coverage in quite a few books and articles." but at AfD we need to examine the sources and none have been presented, and I don't see any in searches. I do note that, since the AfD notice was added, two sources were added to the page. These are [4] a website for local history (disused) railway enthusiasts, which names the contributer but is unclear on its sources and editorial oversight. I would consider whether it is essentialy a WP:SPS but since the mention of Demon Bridge is passing, there is no need to consider that one further. The other new source is [5] which tells us: Two new stations, Simpasture and Demons Bridge, were opened on the former Clarence Railway. Again a passing mention. Sources need to contain significant coverage sufficient that an article on the subject can be written. These don't, none others have been found. This should be deleted, but the redirect is an acceptable ATD as it is a disused station on that railway. Clarence Railway is the appropriate page to mention this station. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 07:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. After two relists, editors remain divided and unconvinced about whether or not sourcing is of sufficient depth. signed, Rosguill talk 13:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Lesaka Technologies

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Run-of-the-mill and other insufficient sources without proper in-depth coverage of the subject. Fails GNG, NCORP BoraVoro ( talk) 07:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

* Keep - The Mail & Guardian article seems prominent enough to establish notability. WmLawson ( talk) 05:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Block evasion, at any rate -- struck. jp× g 🗯️ 01:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep based on present citations and also have found these additional citations Insider Monkey, Seeking Alpha, itweb,  and The Street. It should be noted that this is a publicly listed company on NASDAQ and there are more news articles in Google under its current name and old name "Net 1 UEPS." Hkkingg ( talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Hkkingg, Seeking Alpha and TheStreet are, as I understand it, generally considered group blogs, not RS, and as far as I can tell Insider Monkey seems to be the same. Is there any specific reason not immediately obvious you believe those sources meet the criteria? (itweb seems to be a WP:CORPROUTINE announcement as well) Alpha3031 ( t • c) 08:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. signed, Rosguill talk 13:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of conflicts in Canada

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WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN WP:UNSOURCED. Follow-up to

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The result was redirect‎ to Slovakia at the 2022 Winter Olympics#Luge. Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Marián Skupek

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2022 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find enough in-depth coverage for this athlete to meet WP:GNG. I only found SME while the rest are brief mentions and profile database sources, both types of which are not independent. He was not even in the top three (?) luge winners of mentioned tournament. This might be WP:TOOSOON situation. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Weak keep. My last comment was made quite quickly, and now I had the chance to elaborate more. He participated in the following European Championships: 2021, 2022, 2023 and the following World Championships: 2021, 2023, 2024. In addition, he won a gold medal at the 2022 FIL Junior European Luge Championships which gained some attention for being Slovakia's first gold medal in that championship. None of these achievements would hold enough weight on their own, but together I think they just might do. Then there are the sources. [7] [8] [9] [10] (less) [11] (more passing) [12]. These were some of them, partly from a news agency (and I don't understand Slovak by any means), but at least they give some biographical overview. Geschichte ( talk) 21:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. In light of the new sources found. Arguments to delete the article have not addressed the new sources, which seem to counter initial concerns that there was a lack of notability. Malinaccier ( talk) 13:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Tata AIA Life

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Insufficient number of references for the significance of the article Welcome to Pandora ( talk) 11:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Welcome to Pandora a lack of references is not reason for deletion. Please have a look at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion.
I would suggest a Redirect to Tata Group which holds a majority stake in the company, as I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV in secondary sources. I did, however, found a lot of routine coverage: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] Broc ( talk) 12:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. There are enough in-depth news articles on a recent ad campaign to justify an article (though I suggest that it be merely a section, not a whole article), [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25], and that's before we get to the 400+ hits on the company's name in Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. Many of those include routine coverage, but not all of them are restricted to only routine coverage. I suggest Fortune, as it's a compare-and-contrast (classic secondary source), Economic Times (detailed evaluation of company's risks and opportunities), and maybe E4M (tying their political activity to their overall branding). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Cloudreach

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2A02:6B6B:16C:0:D8BF:FBCC:5819:FF15 proposed deletion with the rationale:

Reads like promotional material or like the About page of the company. Probably conflict of interest. No substance.

However, since Cloudreach was discussed at AfD before, PROD cannot be used. I have converted this to an AfD for them. jlwoodwa ( talk) 18:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
* Delete - insufficient sources to merit inclusion. WmLawson ( talk) 00:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Stanhope and Tyne Railway. signed, Rosguill talk 13:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Saltersgate Cottage railway station

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Fails GNG. Of the two sources, one does not mention the station at all. The other is a personal website (likely fails WP:RS) with a total of five sentences about the station. A BEFORE search does not find anything more substantial. My bold redirect to Stanhope and Tyne Railway was removed by the article's creator. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 19:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Once again, you're making up a non-existent "consistency" policy, this article cites no books, and the citations present do not give significant coverage of the station. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 14:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
It existed at one point and is documented to have. So you should get over it and accept it was once on the Stanhope and Tyne Railway even on OS Maps which are a good source. Just be breaking consistency in the preceding and following stations table in that case. DragonofBatley ( talk) 08:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I don't need to "get over" anything, train stations are not notable on Wikipedia simply by virtue of once existing, per community consensus. The existence of other stations is irrelevant, we are discussing this station and you have failed to refute any of the points I made above. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 12:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Cause your claiming it's based on personal feelings. In what way is it personal feelings? Its a few wiki editors claiming it is not notable? Yet it existed beforehand? So if it didn't exist it be a figment of my imagination. But it's been documented in books and on OS maps and there's nothing to refute. If one researches them proper they will be mentioned and recorded but in ones own mind. Newspapers or journals or a website should not be used as sources or a book. Or map. It should be a what? Government site? A forum? A notable book from Charles Dickens? What should it it be in the mind of @ Trainsandotherthings? Enlighten me from one experienced editor to another? What should an Americans idea of a British railway station be? also @ Pi.1415926535 and @ TH1980. As I'm seeing nothing more than trying to remove articles that I've worked on in my own time and thoroughly researched just for you redirect them cause you don't either agree or know the lines all that well based on your localities internationally and lack of mindset to try and debate until now (Pi.). It's documented and notable like Crook and High Stouk stations. Accept it and stop looking for reasons to delete them. DragonofBatley ( talk) 20:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ DragonofBatley: Personal attacks are not acceptable. Instead of arguing and insulting editors, please read Wikipedia:Notability so you understand what "notability" means on Wikipedia. For something to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, merely existing is not enough. It needs to have significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. (Yes, that means that many former railway stations are not notable enough for Wikipedia - it is an encyclopedia, not a railway station database.) If that significant coverage is not present, you should not create the article in the first place, because it is likely to end up deleted. Instead, you should add the information to an existing article (like the line or the locality) where appropriate. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 20:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Pi.1415926535:, I am not personally attacking anyone. I asked simple questions and created missing links on Clarence Railway and Stanhope and Tyne Railways railway topography tables. If I redirected other railway articles, I would be reverted without prior discussion. I have provided sources from OS maps, books, websites, and other historical sites. I am not implying that Americans cannot edit British railway articles. I am simply asking for what should be included in a notable article? Again keep per WP: Notability (and consistency for railway stations previous and following/terminus) and stopping the topography which has a lot of red links to be completed yet. DragonofBatley ( talk) 08:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I am not personally attacking anyone. Care to explain this then? Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 12:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Stanhope and Tyne Railway per nomination. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 14:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    May as well do that to all the stations at Crook and Consett if that's the way to break consistency in the station articles. Not going to though and actually Disused Stations is an accepted article since it's in depth and uses sources to back it's pages up. DragonofBatley ( talk) 08:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Stanhope and Tyne Railway, in line with the nomination. The arguments for keeping are less than convincing; WP:CONSISTENT links to a dab page, and merely that other stops on this rail line have their own article means very little in light of WP:NTRAINSTATION, (which requires that train stations pass WP:GNG or some other subject-specific notability criteron). Coverage may exist in a few books and articles, but trivial mentions of the station don't exactly amount to the WP:SIGCOV that would be required for the GNG. Even the sorts of railfan sites dedicated to this sort of thing (such as disused-stations) note that the passenger station may well have never opened, and they tend to draw on very scarce sourcing in doing so. I'm just not able to find significant coverage of this station from multiple independent reliable sources.
    As an alternative to deletion, redirecting the page to the line which purportedly ran through the station seems more appropriate than leaving this standalone article up. If it's wise, the limited content from this article could be upmerged, and redirecting also publicly preserves this page's history in case sourcing is eventually found or created. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 04:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to List of London Broncos players. Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Joel Wicks

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Redirect to List of London Broncos players as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby league player. JTtheOG ( talk) 22:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated two years ago. JTtheOG ( talk) 02:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. Hey man im josh ( talk) 14:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Paweł Borys

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This reads like a short and to-the-point business resume. — Maile ( talk) 21:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Withdrawn by nominator Giving benefit of the doubt to the author of the article. — Maile ( talk) 13:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Moominvalley

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This location fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Much of this is unsourced and original research. I also reviewed the corresponding Finnish article and it has insufficient reliable secondary sources to generate SIGCOV. Sources do not say much more than this being the home of the Moomins. Jontesta ( talk) 21:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Michael Aarons

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Promotional bio with COI issues. Entirely void of reliable sources—removing uncited BLP content would leave the article blank. Other than IBDB and Playbill credits, the only source I can see mentioning Aarons at all is a passing reference in the NYT. Probably borderline A7. Dylnuge ( Talk • Edits) 21:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Here is a link to AllMusic where it lists credits:
https://www.allmusic.com/artist/michael-aarons-mn0000547167#credits
More sources for Film and TV on IMDB.com
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0007497/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2 108.53.237.198 ( talk) 00:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Here are some other articles:
https://guitarcenterprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/05/
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Wish Way

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This object does not pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines. It does not cite any sources and I could not find SIGCOV. Jontesta ( talk) 21:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Edwin Arlington Robinson. Owen× ☎ 21:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Tilbury Town

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This does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. There is not much that the sources say about this location. I cannot even find it mentioned in articles about the author's fiction. This doesn't have enough sources for a viable article. Jontesta ( talk) 21:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to American Apparel. Owen× ☎ 21:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Lerappa

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Does not meet our notability guidelines. What few sources exist fall under the category of WP:NOTNEWS, and even then, is more related to American Apparel's controversies than it is about their short-lived virtual store. Jontesta ( talk) 21:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Salem K. Meera

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No sources, no claim of or sources for notability —  Iadmc ♫ talk  20:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Liu Shueh-shuan

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No real sources and fails notability test. A search turns up only social media —  Iadmc ♫ talk  20:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources
    1. Huang, Xiaojun 黃筱筠 (2013-02-24). "前綠委兒子劉學軒打造女子國樂團　開拓大陸" [Liu Xuexuan, son of the former Green Committee member, creates a women's Chinese orchestra to explore the mainland]. China Review News Agency [ zh (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-06-13. Retrieved 2024-06-13.

      The article notes: "劉學軒1969年生，2008年創立“無双樂團”，創立樂團之前是作曲家，創作種類多元，包括管弦樂、室內樂、打擊樂、現代國樂乃至於電影、電視、動畫配樂、兒童音樂及數位音樂。應邀擔任國家國樂團“2006精緻系列”四場音樂會製作人及音樂指導。也曾幫母親翁金珠製作選舉歌曲。"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan was born in 1969. He founded the "Wushuang Orchestra" in 2008. Before founding the orchestra, he was a composer and created a variety of genres, including orchestral music, chamber music, percussion, modern Chinese music, and even film, TV, animation soundtracks, children's music and digital music. Invited to serve as the producer and music director of four concerts of the National Chinese Orchestra's "2006 Exquisite Series". He also helped his mother Weng Jinzhu compose election songs."

    2. Tang, Yawen 湯雅雯 (2009-02-23). "推手劉學軒 翁金珠的兒子" [Driving force Liu Xuexuan, son of Wong Chin-chu]. World Journal (in Chinese). p. A10.

      The article notes: "文化大學助理教授劉學軒擅長將傳統音樂創新，融合交響樂與電子音樂，打造跨界音樂型態。 ... 如果不說，很少人知道劉學軒就是立委翁金珠的兒子，他從事音樂創作十多年，管弦樂、大型民族音樂、電子樂都擅長，甚至擔任樂團、劇場音樂企畫，頗受好評。"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan, an assistant professor at the Chinese Culture University, is good at innovating traditional music, integrating symphony and electronic music, and creating cross-border music styles. ... If not mentioned, few people know that Liu Xuexuan is the son of legislator Wong Chin-chu. He has been engaged in music creation for more than ten years. He is good at orchestral music, large-scale ethnic music, and electronic music. He even serves as a music planner for orchestras and theaters, and is well received."

    3. Zhang, Qiongyue 張瓊月 (2011-09-15). "無雙樂團 13日驚艷匹茲堡" [Peerless Band Stuns Pittsburgh on the 13th]. World Journal (in Chinese). p. C9.

      The article notes: "文建會金獎作曲大師劉學軒目前任職文化大學。2008年12月成立無雙樂團，從旗下十名團員開始，刻增至42名團員。由前台灣國家國樂團樂團首席王明華擔任無雙樂團藝術總監。"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan, a master composer who won the Gold Award from the Council for Cultural Affairs, currently works at the Cultural University. Wushuang Band was established in December 2008. It started with ten members and quickly increased to 42 members. Wang Minghua, former concertmaster of the Taiwan National Chinese Orchestra, serves as the artistic director of the Wushuang Orchestra."

      The article notes: "劉學軒親自設計團員身穿的現代版旗袍與12公分的高跟鞋表演，更將她們所受的美儀訓練全新呈現給觀眾。... 劉學軒成功地重新包裝國樂，結合交響、流行與電子樂風，顛覆一般人對古典音樂的刻板印象，使無雙樂團所到之處大受歡迎。"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan personally designed the modern version of cheongsam and 12cm high heels worn by the members for the performance, and also presented their beauty training to the audience in a new way. ...Liu Xuexuan has successfully repackaged traditional Chinese music, combining symphonic, pop and electronic music styles, subverting the stereotypes of classical music that ordinary people have, making the Wushuang Orchestra very popular wherever it goes."

    4. Huang, Junming 黃俊銘 (2004-10-23). "瓦薩里 劉學軒 因石獅結緣" [Vasari and Liu Xuexuan became acquainted with stone lions]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. C6.

      The article notes: "瓦薩里二度訪台，除帶來波希米亞風的德弗乍克，重頭戲是演出劉學軒「三峽祖師廟的石獅」，這是他向畫家李梅樹致敬之作，紀念李主導重修祖師廟。曾修打擊樂的劉學軒加了舞獅、北管樂，曲子譜完，昨天得到瓦薩里的熱情相擁。"

      From Google Translate: "Vasari visited Taiwan for the second time. In addition to bringing the bohemian Dvorchak, the highlight was Liu Xuexuan's "Stone Lions of the Three Gorges Ancestral Temple". This was his tribute to the painter Li Meishu and commemorated the reconstruction of the Ancestral Temple led by Li. Liu Xuexuan, who once studied percussion, added lion dance and northern wind instruments. After composing the music, he received a warm embrace from Vasari yesterday."

    5. Wu, Yuzhen 吳玉貞 (2004-10-20). "布達佩斯交響樂團 來台演出台灣作家作品 劉學軒創作獲肯定 母親翁金珠欣慰" [Budapest Symphony Orchestra comes to Taiwan to perform works by Taiwanese writers. Liu Xuexuan's creation was recognised and his mother Wong Chin-chu was delighted.]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). p. CR2.

      The article notes: "現年卅五歲的劉學軒南門國中音樂班畢業後考上國立藝專音樂科，再到美國加州大學長堤分校專攻作曲，學成後回國一直致力音樂創作，劉學軒說，三峽祖師廟的石獅是他回國後在家當了七年超級奶爸的作品，在家創作也帶孩子，要把作曲當職業真的很辛苦，還好撐過來了，"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan, now 35 years old, graduated from the music class of Nanmen Junior High School and was admitted to the music department of the National Art College. He then went to the University of California at Changdi to specialize in composition. After completing his studies, he returned to China and devoted himself to music creation. Liu Xuexuan said that the stone lions at the Three Gorges Ancestral Temple This is the work of him who worked as a super dad at home for seven years after returning to China. He was composing and taking care of his children at home. It was really hard to turn composition into a career, but luckily he managed to survive."

    6. Hei, Zhongliang (2004-09-17). "三峽祖師廟的石獅獲瓦薩里選為巡演曲目 劉學軒 曲融台灣情 布達佩斯樂團為新曲目添中國鑼鼓" [The Stone Lions of the Three Gorges Patriarch Temple were selected by Vasari as a tour piece. Liu Xuexuan. Qu Rong Taiwan. Love Budapest Orchestra adds Chinese gongs and drums to new repertoire]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). p. A12.

      The article notes: "今年35歲，出生於彰化的劉學軒，有一位著名的「縣長媽媽」翁金珠，但更有一位「影響自己更深」的父親劉峰松（現任台灣文獻館館長），從父親在文化界勇於任事的過程中，學習到尊重本身文化的重要性，使得擅吹中國笛的他，"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan, 35 years old, was born in Changhua. He has a famous "county magistrate mother" Weng Jinzhu, but he also has a father Liu Fengsong (currently the director of the Taiwan Archives) who "affects him more deeply". In the process of working, he learned the importance of respecting his own culture, which made him, who is good at playing the Chinese flute, ..."

      The article notes: "劉學軒表示，媽媽在聽到自己作品將由布達佩斯交響樂團演出的消息時，幾幾乎是以「跳起來」的興奮心情，來祝福兒子的幸運，畢竟昔日母親以鋼琴啟蒙了如今的他，而後進入南門國中音樂班、前國立藝專音樂科就讀，退伍後曾考進實驗國樂團，再赴美國加州州立大學長堤分校專攻作曲，1999年才學成返國。"

      From Google Translate: "Liu Xuexuan said that when his mother heard the news that his work would be performed by the Budapest Symphony Orchestra, she almost jumped up with excitement to wish her son good luck. After all, his mother had inspired him with the piano in the past, and then entered the South He studied in the music class of a junior high school and the music department of the former National Academy of Arts. After being discharged from the army, he was admitted to the Experimental Chinese Orchestra, and then went to the California State University at Long Beach to major in composition. He returned to Taiwan after completing his studies in 1999."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Liu Shueh-shuan ( traditional Chinese: 劉學軒; simplified Chinese: 刘学轩; pinyin: Liú Xuéxuān to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibian first-class cricketers. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬  talk • ✏️  contribs) 19:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ricardo Strauss (cricketer)

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Namibian first-class cricketers. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬  talk • ✏️  contribs) 19:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Danie van Schoor

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG ( talk) 19:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Nqubeko Zulu

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 19:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Lauren Evans (Scottish footballer)

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Evans potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5 and the article fails to present any acceptable independent sources. The best that I could find was Daily Record, which has 2 quotes from her, an image caption and a passing mention. That's not enough for GNG. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 19:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Shannon Mulligan

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews and a YouTube video. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Complex/ Rational 18:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Dean Karr

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This article certainly looks impressive, but not one of the sources used is significant coverage from an independent reliable source. IMDB and MVDB are user generated and should not be used at all. Allmusic lists everything, so while it may be ok for verification it doesn't get us anywhere for notability. Websites owned or operated by the subject are possibly ok primary sources but again, no use as far as notability. VideoStatic, I'd never heard of but the coverage there is just crediting this person for their role in various projects, there's no depth of coverage about this person.

My own search didn't turn up anything any better. He certainly seems to be prolific in his industry, but somehow apparently has not been the subject of significant coverage. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Film, Visual arts, and Photography. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Working commercial photographer, with a too long list of everything they've ever worked on here... Wiki isn't for your CV. I find nothing covering this individual, not even PR items. There just isn't coverage about them. Delete for lack of sourcing. What's used now in the article is primary or simply a name drop... Oaktree b ( talk) 20:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - None of the sources are reliable, and as mentioned in the nom, not SIGCOV. The article is PROMO for a commercial photographer just doing his job. Performing one's job as a creative does not automatically confer notability. I saw on his website a claim that his work was "the subject of an exhibition at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art (LACMA) which gave hope that he might pass NARTIST if he were in the collection and other collections could be found at notable museums or national galleries. However a search of LACMA's collection resulted in nothing, and a basic search of his name on their website revealed no hits at all [31]. Netherzone ( talk) 20:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: This article is interchangeable with an IMDB page... WP:NOTRESUME (if the people in the first AFD were correct in assuming this to maybe be autobiographical.) The fact this survived so long after its first AFD is amazing. IceBergYYC ( talk) 10:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Complex/ Rational 18:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Natasha Frew

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of the subject, a Scottish women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The sources provided do not establish notability. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Complex/ Rational 18:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Molly Reeve

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews with some routine coverage interspersed. Contested PROD. JTtheOG ( talk) 18:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Complex/ Rational 18:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

James Cushing (poet)

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This poet appears to be non-notable under WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC, and WP:NAUTHOR. His books of poetry are functionally self-published (Cahuenga Press is a cooperative owned and run by five "poet-members" that exists to publish its owners' work). No substantial reviews of his work appear to be available. I can only find one item of WP:SIGCOV, a local news story. The rest are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or non-independent mentions in affiliated sources (e.g. college magazine). Dclemens1971 ( talk) 17:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Owen× ☎ 21:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jake Dan-Azumi

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Fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Olanrewaju Smart

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My rationale from the just concluded AfD still stands. The subject fails WP:NPOL, the sources are almost entirely routine coverages and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL sources. Occupying the position of Chief of Staff to the Speaker of a House of Representatives does not make a subject presumptively notable. While there is no source to verify the "Senior Special Assistant to the President on Intergovernmental Affairs" position, it also does not makes the subject presumptively notable. This subject also fails WP:GNG in general. This was previously deleted on this ground and was undeleted and moved here again without any improvement. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I think it may be a cultural/demographic issue. Federal Public service roles are notable and successive roles for someone that has also achieved academically and regularly contributes to the political space should be able to have a wiki profile, lower profiled people do have one. I believe the article was improved upon Dondekojo ( talk) 08:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I totally disagree with that comment implying that the role of Federal public servants isn’t grasped. There are several branches of “federal” public services which makes me think saying “federal” public servants are presumptively notable, it opens room for inappropriacy. And Dondekojo, I think you have a COI here which you’re not disclosing. Please do the needful per WP:COIDECLARE so that we’d know where we stand. Vanderwaalforces ( talk) 08:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I'm not saying every federal public servant is inherently notable. But in Nigerian politics the Chief of Staff positions are important (in part demonstrated by the fact that their appointments for roles like these are national news in itself). We have to understand that the key posts (like speakers, ministries, etc.) turn into fiefdoms, and where the CoS are movers in negotiations and as such public figures. -- Soman ( talk) 10:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy deletion under WP:G4: (1) No improvement of previous writing: you cannot recreate the same article without addressing the issues outlined in the previous nom (which was closed as deleted. (2) Notability status has not changed: Between the last nom and this one, definitely he did not just met the requirement outlined in the last discussion. we either respect previous discussion or just re-debate things infinitely with no new substance and that is coming from some one who voted keep last time around. FuzzyMagma ( talk) 13:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Nomination effectively withdrawn. Redirects can be handled editorially. Owen× ☎ 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

North East Rugby League Regional Division

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 ( talk) 17:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. While the !vote count was close, keep editors did not make a compelling case for why the sources they identified should be considered significant coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 13:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Namak Haram

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Prod'd by TheTechie - I also couldn't find sign/in-depth coverage so fails GNG. Saqib ( talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the response. The term "blog" can always be used lightly. What Wikipedia considers a "blog" is sometimes a reliable source. See WP:NEWSBLOG. The question is whether there is editorial oversight. Lens (ProPakistani.pk) has editors listed on the site but no editorial policy that I can find so that is up in the air in my opinion, especially since they accept PR content and I cannot determine which is which as there is nothing I see on the site that distinguishes things apart. The fact that it is itself covered by other news publications (the ones you mentioned above) does tend to lend credibility to the site however, and the domain is 20 years old so it isn't a recent startup set up simply for publicity (such as boxofficeadda.com which had been spamming Wikipedia). PakistaniCinema is seven years old yet I do not see any editorial guidelines there either. There are articles on the site that are marked "Web Desk" so those clearly fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA, but there are many that are bylined as well. The problem is the byline is just a name and there is no bio associated with it anywhere on the site which raises a red flag. Maybe these should both go to RSN for opinions. Can anyone point out a few references that ARE easily distinguishable as reliable? -- CNMall41 ( talk) 03:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
CNMall41, Wait, many RS even cite the UK's Daily Mail, but does that make Daily Mail a RS? No.. Similarly, just because some Pakistani RS may have cited ProPakistani doesn't automatically mean we assume latter's credibility. So as I said ProPakistani engages in a lot of PR activities. Its owner, Shayan Mahmud, also owns a advertising/PR agency, also raises concerns about the credibility of ProPakistani which IMO operating more like a PR agency than a news website. Anyone could pay them to publish articles. For what it's worth, Lens is an offshoot of ProPakistani, and their brief about us mentions their engagement in publishing celebrity gossip news as well. And did I mention, ProPakistani have a history of publishing fake news for the sake of clicks. That being said, ProPakistani should definitely be taken to the RSN for further evaluation. —  Saqib ( talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Please re-read what I wrote. Your comparison to Daily Mail is not in the same realm of what I said. I said it lends credibility, not establishes reliability. And, there are more than Pakistani sources that talk about including this from the BBC which you yourself cited. My point is that a "blog" which is talked about in the media isn't a minor thing. I have a personal blog but it has never been talked about in the media. So again, lends credibility, not reliable. Hence why I said it may be something for the RSN. I would recommend that you as the nominator go to RSN with these and get feedback on the reliability. As far as "Anyone could pay them to publish articles," this is a false statement. We can verify that they allow paid placements, but that doesn't mean that allow anyone to do it or that ALL of the cite is paid. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 21:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep meets WP:GNG. There is enough coverage in highly reliable DAWN ( [38], [39], [40]), [41]). Youlin (online magazine focused on Pakistani culture-related topics) article was written by Saman Khalid. Category:Online magazines with defunct print editions is the future and there is no requirement for a publication to run print edition to be considered as reilable. On a side note, Saqib's AfDs are unfortunately borderline problematic and are deterring editors from participating. They are quickly losing credibility, and if this deletionist behavior continues—dismissing legitimate sources with terms like WP:ROTM despite clear reliability with proper bylines—admin sanctions/TBAN may soon be necessary. 2A04:4A43:894F:FFA2:9DD1:4FF1:C856:2226 ( talk) 23:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Hello IP - the provided coverage from Dawn is clearly ROTM - published in their routine THE WEEK THAT WAS section, which typically provides brief profiles for each and every TV series. Additionally, all four coverage provided are authored by the same author Sadaf Haider and same publication DAWN, and per GNG, multiple references from the same publication and author count as a ONE SINGLE source. So fails GNG. Regarding coverage in Youline, concerns about its reliability have been mentioned by @ CNMall41 above therefore, it is advisable not to use it as a source to establish GNG (although it may be used for WP:V purpose). Regarding your remarks about my "borderline problematic" AFDs and suggesting admin sanctions/TBAN against me does imply evasion of block - recently applied to some WP:UPEs sockfarms. It's really unfair to call someone "deletionist" who created thousands of BLPs. —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 05:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep again problematic AFD by the same nominator. Clearly WP:Before is not done. Alot of sources are available on google like [42] [43] [44], [45], [46], [47]. All of them are reliable publications which no one can challenge but despite that, @Saqib decided to take this to AfD. Libraa2019 ( talk) 10:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    • Libraa2019, All of the coverage you provided just mentioned the TV series as WP:Trivial mentions. And except for this coverage in BBC Urdu, none of the coverage provided even has even a byline, so clearly WP:CHURNALISM style coverage and even fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Fwiw, the BBC Urdu coverage is based on an interview with the TV series actor so it is not independent of the subject as well. None of this coverage you provided should be suitable for establishing GNG because none is sig/in-depth. GNG requires strong sourcing so merely presenting a collection of news articles does not really help. As usual, you're calling my AFD problematic, but why don't you look at your own AfD stats? You only cast "keep" votes without providing policy-based rationales. —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 10:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Did'nt you indirectly called me problematic here [48] [49] i had done WP:Before initiating that AFD & resultantly that article was deleted. Anyways, we need to focus on this AFD, WP:Trivial mentions & WP:CHURNALISM are an essay not a policy & there is not even a single consensus that these sources comes under WP:NEWSORGINDIA & if there is then please provide evidence. You are rejecting all of the reliable sources just because you consider them unreliable despite The Express Tribune has all the article dedicated to this serial and its actor. Namak Haram conveys a powerful message about the consequences of exploiting others. In BBC its mentioned The nuances of Murid's character in the drama serial 'Namak Haram' make him unique. He is not at all like the butler, housekeeper or servant seen in typical TV dramas. Why would BBC or The Express Tribune includes interviews or provide coverage of the show which according to you is non notable. Are both of them paid coverage? will you please provide evidence one by one as to how these six reliable sources are not valid? Libraa2019 ( talk) 11:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
In assessing source quality, especially for GNG criteria, it's important to apply WP:COMMONSENSE because we do not always have to rely on evidences to prove that coverage is paid, CHURNALISM or fails under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Rather, the key consideration is whether the provided coverage meets the high standards of WP:SIGCOV. If there are still doubts, allow me to analyze each source thoroughly for further clarification. -- Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Saqib
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2447954/im-still-learning-imran-ashraf-explores-new-horizons-in-latest-work ~ Express Tribune is an independent RS- but this particular coverage is based on an interview No This coverage has no by-line, so the expertise of its author has not been established No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or even in detail ✘ No
https://www.samaa.tv/20873125-sarah-khan-imran-ashraf-to-steal-spotlight-once-again-with-namak-haram ~ Samaa is an independent source but this particular coverage has no by-line, so CHURNALISM style and falls under WP:RSNOI No This coverage has no by-line, so the expertise of its author has not been established No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or even in detail - TRIVIAL MENTION ✘ No
https://dailytimes.com.pk/1154533/imran-ashrafs-discovery-at-mazaq-raat-sings-namak-haram-ost/ ~ Daily Times is an independent source but particular coverage has no by-line, so CHURNALISM style and falls under WP:RSNOI No This coverage has no by-line, so the expertise of its author has not been established No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or even in detail - TRIVIAL MENTION ✘ No
https://dunyanews.tv/en/Entertainment/767358-Sarah-Khan-reveals-why-she-chose-%E2%80%98Namak-Haram%E2%80%99 ~ Dunya News is an independent source but particular coverage has no by-line, so CHURNALISM style and falls under WP:RSNOI No This coverage has no by-line, so the expertise of its author has not been established No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or even in detail - TRIVIAL MENTION ✘ No
https://dailytimes.com.pk/1129132/imran-ashraf-and-sarah-khans-reunion-in-new-drama-leaves-fans-enthralled/ ~ Daily Times is an independent source but particular coverage has no by-line, so CHURNALISM style and falls under WP:RSNOI No This coverage has no by-line, so the expertise of its author has not been established No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or even in detail - TRIVIAL MENTION ✘ No
https://www.bbc.com/urdu/articles/c3g2n49709ro ~ BBC Urdu is an independent RS source but this particular coverage is based on interview Yes Coverage has by-line and the author is a journalist No The source doesn't discuss the subject directly or in detail ✘ No
https://www.dawn.com/news/1818732 Yes DAWN is an independent RS source Yes Coverage has by-line and the author is a journalist No The source doesn't discuss the subject in detail - Routine coverage in their THE WEEK THAT WAS section, which typically publish brief profiles for each and every TV series ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}.
    • Saqib, You forgot to mention, this table is your assumptions or consensus that you judged and rejected all of them. DAWN, a respectable Pakistani newpaper also provide coverage of subject https://www.dawn.com/news/1818732 and WP:Commonsense does'nt tell to assume every reliable source & author as unreliable or objectionable and the subject is not even a BLP but still you are putting so much efforts in its deletion by rejecting all the reliable sources. Furthermore, Its not necessary to respond each comment of opponent party. Please invite other editors or atleast wait for others. Libraa2019 ( talk) 16:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
      • Libraa2019, Regarding DAWN coverage, I've already addressed my concerns above. Clearly WP:ROTM. Its not necessary to respond each comment of opponent party. Same applies to you, I guess. —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
        • Saqib, depends on history, i only responded your queries and one more thing i would like to mention, WP:ROTM is an essay, not a guideline, you are using this essay to prove your point & adjusting other essays on every reliable source rejection accordingly whereas notability guidelines other than BLP are not that much strict.
        • You told me somewhere that WP:NTV is an essay and not a guideline but throwing your opinions on AFD's on the basis of essays only. Libraa2019 ( talk) 17:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
          • Libraa2019, Notability guidelines other than BLP are not that much strict Are you serious? I'd strongly suggest you to please familiarize yourself with our P&G again. —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 17:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
            • General principles states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." It nowhere mention such things which you mentioned in table. Also you have ignored my other query, You told me somewhere that WP:NTV is an essay and not a guideline but sharing your opinions on AFD's on the basis of essays only. Libraa2019 ( talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
              • Libraa2019, You've mentioned multiple times that the topic is notable due to significant coverage. However, you haven't provided any sources or coverage to demonstrate this. I ask again you to please provide specific references that show in-depth and significant coverage to support the notability of the topic, or simply STOP repeating the claim without evidence. —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 17:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Per Saqib's SA table, which summarizes the state of the sourcing quite well. Most of the sources are WP:RSNOI upon further inspection. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 17:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • @ Ivanvector: Just curious if G5 applies in this case? —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 18:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    It doesn't. The speedy criteria are all for uncontroversial deletions. As soon as someone opposes deletion in good faith, speedy deletion is no longer an option. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 19:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Leaving my comment bolded earlier in the discussion but leaving an official delete !vote here. Basing this off the source assessment table, although I still think it would be a good idea to get the few I mentioned earlier to the reliable source noticeboard so we do not run into arguments about these in the future. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 01:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    • CNMall41, We've already discussed some of these sources at WP:RSN, but it seems not all editors in this AfD are acknowledging those cpncensus calling them "minimalist discussion". And this led to repeated debates about source reliability in AFDs which is time-consuming.Do we have a way to ensure the consensus from WP:RSN is respected in this AfDs? —  Saqib ( talk I contribs) 07:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I am not going to keep repeating what I have already stated previously. There are some that have not been to the RSN (look at my bolded "Comment" section from a few days ago).-- CNMall41 ( talk) 08:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 18:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

TriTech Software Systems

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This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 16:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I should mention that this source from the article is still live and is not bad, but still probably not near NCORP. Lamona ( talk) 01:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎ all. Owen× ☎ 21:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Lewis Hamilton

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Reasoning: Other AfDs including for the multi-list AfD against Damon Hill Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Damon Hill have established the precedent that these lists are both WP:CRUFT and fail WP:LISTN as being needless forks of existing lists, they also have no notable group or set presence within discussions as shown by a lack of these such sources in the articles. Discussion also on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Max Verstappen centres on the WP:NOTSTATS argument. Consensus exists that such lists are not notable, and on the argument for the Verstappen AfD is clearly made that such lists regardless of win number are not considered notable. This deletion request is to reflect the latest consensus. The same discussion has also been ongoing on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One and Talk:Max Verstappen

When creating this deletion request, articles

List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Michael Schumacher (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Sebastian Vettel (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Alain Prost (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


Should also be included for the same reasons. It is the second AfD request for the Senna article, the original is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna. I would appreciate if someone could create this AfD as it is important for the motorsport category and part of wider ongoing discussions (please if I am unable to can this be added to the motorsport project AfD)

Nomination by IP: 159.242.125.170 ( talk)

  • I vote delete per the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Damon Hill and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Max Verstappen —  Iadmc ♫ talk  15:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Motorsport, and Lists. —  Iadmc ♫ talk  15:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: I have fixed this nomination to actually use {{ subst:afd2}}, rather than just {{ la}} on its own. No opinion or further comment at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all bases on the current consensus on this subject which follows WP:CFORK and WP:LISTN. T v x1 01:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - The main difference between these drivers and the other subjects which were deleted is that these are all three-or-more-time World Champions who should be expected to have more wins and coverage than the others. I would personally reject WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments such as those raised by the nom and above delete !voters that these drivers fall under a consensus based on the others. If these are kept, I would also support looking at taking the Verstappen list to DRV for recreation. The main difference between now the the Verstappen AfD is that he too is now a three-time World Champion. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Also, @ 159.242.125.170:, you need to tag all of the articles you wish to bundle, not just notify on the talk pages. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  04:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Will try, very hard to do multi-page AfDs properly as an unregistered user my apologies!
    I agree that Verstappen is more notable than at the time of his AfD, but the fundamental issue is that we have no way of currently defining notability. If this AfD fails, hopefully it can set that precedent, if it doesn't then we know the issue is with the format not having proven notability.
    You cite these are WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments, but I counter that I do not point to them being deleted and say that because they were deleted these should be - instead I am pointing to the logic behind them and the comments on the AfDs where many explicitly called for an AfD against these lists also. The arguments against all of these lists were made in those AfDs, hence why I have referenced them. I do believe there should be some level of consistency in how these lists exist, and if this AfD fails I will propose the creation of any articles which would logically follow (if it is three time champions, I will try and create lists for them, if it is drivers who have X number of wins, same again) but I'm not sure that these pass WP:CRUFT , WP:LISTN and WP:NOTSTATS.
    The size of the grouping doesn't mean it necessitates a list - Wikipedia doesn't need a list of the list of winners of your local egg and spoon race no matter how good Mr Eggman is as the 12 time champion. Unless we can show that these articles pass WP:LISTN - "Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists."
    If we could get 3 sources for each driver where a reliable third party, such as a newspaper of record or the like, was discussing their wins (be it listing the drivers' dominance across those, or be it ranking some of their wins perhaps?) than I would be willing to concede WP:LISTN .
    Also I wish to note, Draft:List_of_Formula_One_Grand_Prix_wins_by_Max_Verstappen was denied just 2 weeks before his 3rd title, so I'm not sure that has had an impact on my claimed consensus so far.
    I also remind the guidelines on WP:OTHERSTUFF do state:
    "If you reference such a past debate, and it is clearly a very similar case to the current debate, this can be a strong argument that should not be discounted because of a misconception that this section is a blanket ban on ever referencing other articles or deletion debates." 159.242.125.170 ( talk) 08:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, firstly, I am disappointed that the nominator did not follow recommend courtesy, and notify substantial contributors to these articles, as suggested (but not required) in the AfD process. Harrias (he/him) • talk 11:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Apologies for causing your disappointment, but sadly I am not very well accustomed with the process and tried to reach out to people who had been involved in such suggestions in previous AfDs. I hope personal disappointment will not factor into this however. 159.242.125.170 ( talk) 11:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    (also, Wikipedia:Please bite the newbies I hope I am tasty ) 159.242.125.170 ( talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep the wins by these drivers are extremely notable. Using Senna as an example: whenever another driver approaches and passes his total it is reported as a significant achievement in the press Formula1.com, Sky Sports for example. While these win are listed in the parent articles, that is only as part of their complete Formula 1 racing results, and does not give the level of detail of these articles. These lists allow interested readers to compare and contrast those victories. The lists meet the criteria for a Stand-alone list, given the length of the parent articles. The articles follows a similar style and structure to standalone lists such as List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney, List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar and List of international rugby union tries by Jonah Lomu. I'm well aware that WP:OTHERSTUFF is an argument to be avoided, but the presence of these articles demonstrates that lists such as these are common across the encyclopedia, and form part of the current 'meta'. With regards to the WP:NOTSTATS argument; that says that the encyclopedia should not have "excessive listings of unexplained statistics": indeed, I would suggest that by having these as standalone lists means that we are better able to provide the suitable context to avoid them being "unexplained statistics": many of the tables in the "Racing records" sections of drivers articles are more in contravention of that particular guideline than these articles, in my opinion. Harrias (he/him) • talk 11:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    I can see your argument for keeping Senna, but few other drivers are used in such a way. As I discussed earlier in this thread, if we can find sources for these lists to be notable as a set as you have done for Senna then that may warrant their inclusion on WP:LISTN - and I would agree that the racing record section can be overwhelming but without much intention to suggest they should be removed.
    As for the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, I'm not sure how useful it is because for example Rooney has many independent sources referencing the goals as a set. I can't say I've seen the same for Prost, maybe not even for any driver outside of Senna. Other than the fact it is a very long list, the group of Hamilton's impressive tally is rarely talked about at which point I would compare it to creating an article of "Letters in antidisestablishmentarianism" which is impressive because the list is so long, but aside from that, is not notable. This is an extreme but still, just because other WikiProjects have done something doesn't mean Formula One should for example. It also raises the question as to what the notability criteria should be, if we are to keep these: what level of notability makes Prost worth keeping? 159.242.125.170 ( talk) 12:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    These lists might allow readers to compare and contrast their victories, but not in any meaningful way. The lack any of the context required to be able to take any meaningful insight (which is why WP:NOSTAT is mentioned). The margin and grid position columns are the NOSTAT violations. The rest of the columns also exist in their racing record summary. And it may vollow the style and structure for the article you listed for Rooney, Tendulkar or Lomu but the major difference is that these wins can be viewed in the articles for the respective drivers (as you acknowledge in the third sentence of your response, the same can not be said for Rooney, Tendulkar or Lomu. SSSB ( talk) 22:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom, ladmc and Tvx1. These all are best integrated in main articles. SpacedFarmer ( talk) 12:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom - just repeating data already presented at the home article of the driver in the career results sections. -- Falcadore ( talk) 15:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep all - they are all valid WP:SIZESPLITs of their respective articles, keeping said articles from being too hard to navigate and read. Merging all should also be considered by delete !voters, especially since SpacedFarmer's rationale is basically a merge !vote, not a delete !vote. But again, we're risking making these articles too long and clunky (per WP:NOMERGE). The LISTCRUFT essay does not apply here when these are split from their respective articles, not standalone. ―  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    These are not valid sizesplits, because they were not split. You are the only person who has suggested that we should be merging, mainly because those arguning for deletion (as far as I can tell by skimming the arguemnts) feel that the level of detail these articles go into (i.e. with grid positions and margin of victory) are in violation of WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOSTATS regardless of whether they are in their own article, or in the general article about that driver. The listcruft essay does apply because this was split from the respective articles. SSSB ( talk) 22:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep All of them are the same as the many other such articles for sports people. Category:Career achievements of sportspeople If it won't fit in their main article, then a split off article is justified. We do the same when listing the accomplishments of actors and musicians, if their awards don't all fit in their main article, you make a side article to list them. Dream Focus 22:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    The difference is that the accomplishment of thier race wins does fit in the main article, it is bundlged together with a breakdown of their results. The only unique information of the nominated pages is FANCRUFT and NOSTAT violations with a summary of their results (and by extention wins) accessible in the main articles. SSSB ( talk) 22:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: These are all redundant forks of information already found at the main articles for these subjects. Let'srun ( talk) 17:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete all the articles of the respective drivers already break-down their races wins in a much cleaner and succinct way - through the race record table (e.g. Lewis Hamilton#Complete Formula One results). The nominated articles do nothing other than specify minor details. The only parts of these articles which are unique to these articles (i.e. not already specified on the main driver page) are: date, circuit, grid position and margin which are all either WP:FANCRUFT, WP:NOSTAT or both (e.g. margin and grid position lack any of the context required for this information to be worth anything meaningful. These articles serve no purpose other than to offer irrelevant and/or contextless data. SSSB ( talk) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to University of California, San Diego#Student life. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬  talk • ✏️  contribs) 19:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG; merge with University of California, San Diego#Student life. Mvcg66b3r ( talk) 12:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Seems to be the consensus to keep in light of new sources, though other keep arguments are weaker. Malinaccier ( talk) 13:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ari Engel

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No real indication of notability, only sources are routine 'match reports' on poker news sites and a stats database. No rule about number of bracelets won to determine notability. Doesn't meet WP:NBIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Oppose based on potential impact I will not disagree about there not being a rule about what is notable in the poker community around here but there is much inconsistency. If Engel is deemed not to be notable, then probably at least over half of legacy poker articles on here need to be wiped. I noticed the nominator's other tagged deletions, which I agree with because they do not bring much to the table. Bracelets are considered the gold standard in the poker community and three is nothing to scoff at. The circuit rings record alone should warrant merit but that is justm y opinion. Major titles won, money earned, or major impact historically on pop culture through the game should be what merits a player's notability in my opinion. It would be nice to have a set standard on what is deemed worthy so time on improvements is not wasted. Red Director ( talk) 14:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note I have been around the poker community on here for years so although it would be sad to lose legacy articles, some of these do not warrant merit existance at all if this is the standard we want to place. Engel has more accomplishments of note than most of these on a quick glance. Red Director ( talk) 15:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • "major impact historically on pop culture through the game" - surely someone has described that impact. Then, it's just a matter of writing down who that person was, and we have a source that contributes to notability. The thing we can't do, on the other hand, is that one of us, a Wikipedia user, is the one who discerns the cultural impact. It has to be verified by another party. Geschichte ( talk) 20:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Engel definetly does not check the box of culturally impactful poker player lol. The only things that maybe make sense for the article being retained are his accomplishments which gulf many other players here who do not even come close to that pedigree. I do not care if this article stays or leaves personally. Existing articles make a case for keeping is all I am saying. Red Director ( talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Existing articles make a case for keeping is a WP:WHATABOUTISM. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I have expanded the article to have more information, references, and an external link section. I personally did not think he warranted an article based on what is considered to relevant in this day and age of poker, but he is close in my opinion. One more WSOP bracelet puts in him in a good class of player in the modern age. However, poker is a funny game. He could win his next tournament or never win another one. It seems the fact that a previously blocked user made this page seems to be what put Engel's article on a deletion path when it is not deserved based on what has been allowed to be on here. It just seems odd that we are drawing the line here on this one page when there are plenty of untargeted articles on players who have not done anything of note in one or two decades where their only major accomplishments came during 2003-2007's poker boom. I fully expect this page to be deleted though so no worries if that is the consensus. Red Director ( talk) 00:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
That is still WP:WHATABOUTISM. If you know of other articles that don't measure up, then please nominate them for deletion. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the sources provided by WikiOriginal-9. One of the newspaper clippings is broken, though. Not sure why. By the way, we also have a dewiki article on this fellow – I've now connected the languages via Wikidata. Toadspike [Talk] 09:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Dilly Braimoh

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No evidence of any notability. The BFI source which would have been useful returns a 404 error. The other from IMDB is unreliable. Searches reveal very little, certainly nothing that adds to notability. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   13:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the comment. However, having seen the source, it does not actually add anything to notability.   Velella   Velella Talk   21:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 14:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Amir Ali Khan (subedar)

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Outside of a road being named after this person in an Indian town, I can find nothing to indicate this person meets notability guidelines. Even looking up the naming of the road seems to have been done at the request of the foundation created by his immediate family. The page has been consistently edited by members of the family and those admitting to clear COIs. Article is an orphan as well. Lindsey40186 ( talk) 14:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Vega Expedition. Owen× ☎ 21:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Skirmish at the Chukchi Peninsula

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Seems like a non-event where the vast majority of the page is about things before and after which are largely unrelated to the skirmish. A misunderstanding, some shots, no casualties, that's it. A very minor episode in the Vega Expedition, not even mentioned there until you added the "see also" for it. Fram ( talk) 13:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

What if it was re-named to "Stay at the chukchi peninsula" Dencoolast33 ( talk) 14:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
I prefer "Incident at the Chukchi peninsula" skirmish might exaggerate the events while "Incident" does not. Gvssy ( talk) 14:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
But the name doesn't solve the lack of notability; the whole incident isn't even mentioned in the first source, a description of the expedition [56]. Nor is it described in the more extensive second source about the expedition [57]. I can't find it at page 10 of the third source [58], which was the page given as the reference. It seems to appear at page 19, where one crew member describes it, while the "skirmish" is missing from the diaries of two other crew members who just say that they encountered the local people. Fram ( talk) 14:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
According to the article, shots were fired at the Chukchis. However, page 19 of [59] suggests – to me at least – that the shot was fired (probably in the air) to restore order either while, or before, the Chukchis were aboard. In that case, it would probably not be seen a skirmish or anything alike. The citation "Nordenskiöld (1880)" leads me nowhere to confirm; is a proper skirmish described in there? If not, I'll support the removal of the article (while some information could be moved to Vega Expedition). Imonoz ( talk) 02:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I think it'd be entirely possible to write an encyclopdic article on the interactions/relationship between the Vega expeditions and the Chukchis who came into contact with it. There's the scholarly article by Åsa Olovsson, thirty pages focused on this topic, as well as other work. But the skirmish in itself is a very brief mention there, mentioned more or less in passing. I think there's a good foundation here, and that this article can be kept – but that it would be necessary to broaden the topic to the general relationship between the involved Swedes and Chukchis rather than this brief interaction. / Julle ( talk) 17:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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  • Merge to Vega Expedition. The parent article gives the relevant background information and is currently very short. Merging this information there will improve it. If the parent article expands significantly, then this can be again split to a separate article. Jähmefyysikko ( talk) 07:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Merge to Vega Expedition. Procyon117 ( talk) 15:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 13:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Mayoralty of John Moran

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No justification for creating this page. Most of it is copied without attribution from other pages across Wikipedia (in violation of WP:CWW). The page for John Moran himself was created just yesterday, if that ever gets too long, per WP:SIZE guidelines, we can consider a split. Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 13:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to EBay#Criticisms and controversies. Clear consensus that this is article is inappropriate per WP:CRITS. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 12:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Criticism of eBay

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Duplicates the content at eBay#Criticism, goes against the advice at WP:CRITS to not generally create separate articles for criticism in particular. The sourcing, meanwhile, shows examples of individual instances of criticism, bu does not cohesively discuss "criticism of eBay" as a topic. This should redirect to eBay#Criticism, as already previously proposed by way of WP:BLAR. signed, Rosguill talk 13:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Norwegian School of Economics. Complex/ Rational 18:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The Choice Lab

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This was nominated for deletion 10 years ago but didn't really address the lack of reliable sources covering this research group (the few that were linked to just mention it in passing). Also not addressed was the fact that the entire article was a copy-and-paste of the official media release, which makes this self-promotion. In 10 years the article has gotten no content edits or inbound links, so it's still that official release word-for-word. The Choice Lab seems to have largely rebranded as something else but I still can't find any real sources actually about it. Details like who founded it and who the members are, what its funding is and who provides that funding, where it's specifically located - the core of an encyclopedia article on this topic would be - it just doesn't seem to exist in reliable sources. Combined with a decade and no real encyclopedia editing occurring on the article makes me think this just isn't an encyclopedia topic. Perhaps it should redirect to Norwegian School of Economics but I didn't want to do that unilaterally. Here2rewrite ( talk) 12:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

redirect as proposed. I agree with your analysis. Ruud Buitelaar ( talk) 01:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect‎ to Demoscene#List of demoparties. Malinaccier ( talk) 13:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

X (demoparty)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The name of the event makes it more difficult to search. I was only able to find mentions, such as "One of the most traditional and largest events still running today is demoparty X, a specific event for the Commodore 64 platform with the first edition held in 1995 in the Netherlands (POLGáR, 2016)." (machine translated from Portuguese) in a paper about the demoscene in Brazil. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties.

Edit: X is also discussed in Freax: The Brief History of the Demoscene, Volume 1 (2005) by Tamás Polgár:

"The great meeting events of the Commodore 64 scene in the second half of the nineties were the great international demoparties: The Party in Denmark, Assembly in Finland, and mainly the German Mekka Symposium and Breakpoint. These parties, in addition to the great annual X parties organized by Success & The Ruling Company. For the first time, in 1995, this party was held in Utrecht, Netherlands but moved several times to different cities. Some still remember X’95 as the best X party, and later X parties as the best parties of C64 scene history. Interestingly enough the X still takes place every year. In 1997 the party united with Takeover, and became a multiplatform party under X-Takeover label but the cool oldschool atmosphere was broken by Amiga and PC users, so the cooperation split up. X is still the largest Commodore-only demoparty."

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 05:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Umpiring in the 1946–47 Ashes series

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My fourth afd in this Anglo-Australian cricket fancruft deletion drive I have taken on. We have articles on cricket umpiring, seriously? I dont believe this should exist on Wikipedia, and I also am against a merge because all that really needs to happen is a mention of this on the respective tour pages Pharaoh496 ( talk) 11:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:
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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 13:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Nintendo Switch 2(Focus)

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Not sure if WP:R3 applies, but this is for a topic that's only been discussed but has no official announcement and only cites an article based on "a rumour". I'm not sure what the "Focus" is, but "Nintendo Switch 2(Focus)" is missing a space. This is not a casual type-o someone would make. Andrzejbanas ( talk) 11:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure)‎ LibStar ( talk) 21:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Jason Windsor (businessman)

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:NCRIC. Only primary sources provided. LibStar ( talk) 04:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Animaker

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I'm doubting that the software is notable based on the sources cited. -- Beland ( talk) 07:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete: I can only find tutorials on how to use the software, nothing about critical reviews or discussions in RS. None of the sources in the article now are RS, some appear to be PR items. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to Discworld#"Mapps". (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Death's Domain

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No reviews or commentary found after a search, one or two passing mentions, and a single sentence in an article from The Canberra Times found on ProQuest: "A minor Pratchett Discworld spin-off is to be found in Death's Domain (Corgi, 27pp, $14.95), by Pratchett and Paul Kidby, which is essentially a Discworld map of Death's house, garden and golf course. Only for Pratchett completists.", which is not enough to sustain its own article.

Could probably be redirected to another Discworld article. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 11:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was Speedy keep‎. Withdrawn, sources found to pass NBOOK (non-admin closure) PARAKANYAA ( talk) 22:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Fascism (book)

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I feel like there should be reviews for this book, but I am unable to find more than one, which I have added to the article after an extensive search. My search was confused by the fact that the author has written eleven books, all of which have the word Fascism in the title, and also a journal called Fascism. This one is just titled Fascism, which makes searching for sources a nightmare, but I did try.

If there is not another review, redirect to author Roger Griffin. If there is another substantial one I can withdraw. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 10:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

@ PARAKANYAA: As you mentioned, finding reviews for this books was extremely annoying, and it doesn't help that there was another author with first name Roger writing about facism at the time, but I did manage to find one other review from the London Review of Books. I would've preferred more coverage on the book itself, but that's all I could find. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 15:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ ARandomName123 Nice. There's probably more in the sea of dozens of similarly named books, but two decently lengthy ones is enough for NBOOK. I can withdraw this then. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 22:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to List of Star Trek technical manuals. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise

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I have found no mentions of this book that aren't passing mentions in publications about Star Trek. Enough to verify that the book exists, but not much else. There's probably a good merge/redirect target somewhere but I can't think of one. Author Lora Johnson, maybe? PARAKANYAA ( talk) 10:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 08:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Saimir Kasemi

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Fails WP:GNG. The subject made two appearances in the German fifth tier in 2007 but it appears they have made no professional appearances at all. A web search finds a few articles about an ice cream parlour they have been running after their retirement. But there's no WP:SIGCOV relating to their football career. Robby.is.on ( talk) 08:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 05:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Charlotte Ferguson

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No evidence of notability, only sources are a database, a blog, and a local interview about the club, not an article about her. Fram ( talk) 07:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 05:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Ward Thomas Removals

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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORGSIG. The FT article is an interview with the founder. Wikilover3509 ( talk) 6:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 05:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails notability guidelines. Tried to do a WP:BEFORE search, but found zero sigcov. 🍕 Boneless Pizza!🍕 ( 🔔) 05:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Let'srun ( talk) 02:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Edwin Smith (rower)

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Not notable. I have been unable to find enough reliable references. TheSwamphen ( talk) 05:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Consensus is that since this next election "is notable and almost certain to happen", there's sufficient coverage for this article to pass GNG at this time. Even the nominator is convinced and has changed their position during discussion. Any issues of naming can be resolved via normal requested move process. BusterD ( talk) 17:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Next Assam Legislative Assembly election

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WP:NCRYSTAL. Nothing about the election has been declared yet, no WP:RS are currently talking about it. Should be recreated closer to the election, once actual sources start discussing it.

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If a date has been set for each of these, then they should each be moved to reflect that. Mangoe ( talk) 18:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete too much original research here and the title is inappropriate. Whilst there may be sources for notability I don't believe the current article is viable it's pretty much complete OR without any sourcing. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: As the next election following a long series of notable elections, it should exist, to be a collection of reliable information on it as that information arises. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC) If not kept, Draftify. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. There is no consensus on whether this article meets the standards discussed in WP:NCRIME and WP:NEVENT. Malinaccier ( talk) 01:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Killing of Jonathan Lewis

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Coverage is not sustained and significant enough to justify this article about the manslaughter of a teen. Zanahary ( talk) 07:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep: I'm counting 10 reliable sources with WP:SIGCOV covering this event. I think some concerns regarding WP:NCRIME, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, and WP:NTEMP are warranted, but the young age and the alleged exceptional viciousness of the alleged perpetrators do make the event more than a run-of-the-mill killing. Ultimately, since there's WP:NODEADLINE, I think that at this juncture it makes sense to keep and circle back if it turns out that the notability was temporary.
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Comment: I don't think a crime's "exceptional viciousness" holds any weight over WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 06:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
Weak delete - Unusual amount of international coverage on this one - being picked up by the BBC. My answer comes down to WP:PERP's description of coverage of notable victims and the focus of coverage being on the event or the individual. I feel on balance, the event is covered as news much more than the victim's role is covered as a subject of personal interest. BrigadierG ( talk) 12:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: As the incident has received nationwide coverage, I've found at least 15 reliable sources for the article. I'm in agreement with @ Melmann, considering the young age of the victim and brutality of this crime this is beyond ordinary even for a murder. There's not so much coverage after November, but this will probably change in the future as the suspects are brought to justice and when they find the remaining perpetrator.
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Delete, sadly. Murders and killing type articles go by WP:NEVENT, which this fails. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 19:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply
How so? This case in particular has received significant coverage in a wide variety of news outlets and the media. It's a story having been reported and impacted all over the world, not just in the U.S. Cheera L ( talk) 02:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply
The non-routine coverage was for about a week. With events, WP:SUSTAINED coverage is a consideration, which this fails. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 03:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete I definitely have 'some concerns regarding WP:NCRIME, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, and WP:NTEMP". There is nothing in WP policies that makes an exception for the "viciousness" of a crime. Yes, newspapers and news TV did pick it up, undoubtedly because of how they profit off of sensationalism, but we shouldn't fall into the same swamp. I am strongly against this as WP:NCRIME. Lamona ( talk) 02:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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Delete per above, the method of death is irrelevant. If there is no continued coverage it isn't currently notable. Traumnovelle ( talk) 06:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 04:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Douglas Lucas

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Unsourced BLP article. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:NMG. WP:BEFORE search turned up many people with the same name, but not this person. The MySpace link in the Infobox only leads to a collection of music tracks, with the rest of the page lacking content. Geoff | Who, me? 04:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Malinaccier ( talk) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Imperium (film series)

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The article is unsourced. I don't see why this topic deserves an article as there are no sources on the Imperium series, only sources on the individual movies. MKsLifeInANutshell ( talk) 05:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC) reply

Why was this sorted in the Romania-related discussions? Some of the production companies involved are Spanish/German/French but I see no participation of Romanian actors or producers. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The answer to the nom's implicit question is that Wikipedia:Notability, right at the top, says that we can merge up articles into a bigger subject. See also Wikipedia talk:Notability (books)#Should NBOOK cover series or just individual books?, which has almost 150 comments on a closely related subject. See statements like "Where a source contains coverage of one of the books in a series of books, this coverage is deemed to be coverage of the series of books, in addition to being coverage of that book" and "Articles on book series may be created in some cases where there are no series-level sources, drawing on the sourcing of the individual books." WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WhatamIdoing, what outcome are you arguing for? Liz Read! Talk! 23:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC) reply
If I'm not wrong I'm pretty sure he's saying that keep is the answer, even though what he's talking about is the Notability for books. MK at your service. 03:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
WhatamIdoing indicates in her preferences that she would like to be referred to as she. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
True, but if you don't have WP:NAVPOPS installed, it's not usually convenient to look up those settings. Innocent mistakes never bother me. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Liz, I'm not sure whether it should be kept and converted to an article (e.g., adding paragraphs and sources), kept as a WP:SETINDEX, or converted to a WP:DAB page. But I don't think overall that we solve any problems by deleting it. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 19:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 14:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Institut Constant de Rebecque

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This subject fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. It hasn't had sources since at least 2017 if ever. JFHJr ( ㊟) 03:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Keep votes have failed to identiy sources that can provide SIGCOV. Liz Read! Talk! 03:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Gabriel & Co.

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Fails WP:NCORP. Not satisfied with the reliability of sources. I could not find anything else online either. GMH Melbourne ( talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

  • A week later and no response ... comment such as "within the jewellry industry" seems to me to indicate that it is a niche company and "extensive coverage in reputable sources" and "the article contains verifiable information" indicated a lack of knowledge of the GNG/ WP:NCORP notability criteria. HighKing ++ 16:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Owen× ☎ 20:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sayed Abbas Ali Shihab Thangal

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Fails WP:BASIC. References are trivial mentions or don't mention subject. Can't find anything on Google/news about him. C F A 💬 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete most definitely does not pass GNG. This is exactly the sort of BLP our policies are intended to prevent. It’s essentially a promotional profile for a party official based on passing mentions and his relationships with people who are actually notable in our terms. Mccapra ( talk) 06:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    That sounds like a problem that could be solved through editing, rather than deletion. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • It didn't seem like a promotional, with many relatives, it was reflected in the scholar's family, the person holding the posts of the largest legally functioning Islamic youth organization in India. and He is a member of the family circle of Prophet Muhammad in India( Sayyid ) Spworld2 ( talk) 04:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Mathematics education in New York

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Almost entirely unsourced and out-of-date. Insufficiently distinct from Mathematics education in the United States. Possibly could be redirected to New York Regents Examinations. Walsh90210 ( talk) 02:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. Definitely a notable and encyclopedic topic, even if the article is extremely out of date and in poor shape. I'd rather see somebody improve it than have it deleted as cleanup. Malinaccier ( talk) 01:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 04:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Florencio Badelic Jr.

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann ( talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Chaldean Catholic Eparchy of Saint Peter the Apostle of San Diego#Monasteries, convents and seminaries. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Sons of the Covenant Monastery

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. The article is predominantly reliant upon primary sources. It is also not clear as to whether the monastery relates to the structure, which fails the requirements of WP:NBUILDING or the religious order, which fails WP:NORG. Dan arndt ( talk) 09:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Eljan Mehmetaj

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Fails WP:GNG. The subject made five appearances in Kategoria e Parë, the Albanian second tier, then disappeared from professional football. [66] mentions a hospitalisation as a 17-year-old. It's not enough for WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on ( talk) 01:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Foundation for MetroWest

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Fails WP:ORG. Coverage is mainly local and not wider as per WP:AUD. Only one article links to this. LibStar ( talk) 01:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. This Boston Globe article was the best thing I could find. It's less about the organization and more based on the subject of the organization's report. I think if there was more of this type of coverage, you could make an argument for the article, but all the other news coverage is routine press releases about board members and local newspapers. I am not in favor of merging as it is not clear how much information there is to enhance the target article. Would it just be one sentence about the existence of one particular charitable organization? Malinaccier ( talk) 02:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
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