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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Kang Bong-chil

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Elseworlds publications#DC Universe Elseworlds. Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Flashpoint (Elseworlds)

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Lack of sources, non-notable Industrial Insect (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply


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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Li Chang-ha

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Ma Jong-u

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

O Hyok-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Choe Kum-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 23:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Choe Ju-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 22:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was procedural close‎ as wrong venue. Proper location for discussion about this redirect is Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. (non-admin closure) Skynxnex ( talk) 03:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Chiesa di San Michele Arcangelo

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Delete old redirect page. Should not be a redirect for "San Michele Arcangelo, Anacapri". Article "Chiesa di San Michele Arcangelo (Venezia, San Marco)" exists in italian wiki. Deleted redirect to avoid confusion in interlanguage links and in general. Gor1995 ( talk) 22:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Counsman, California

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Non-notable railway point. No sources found indicating this place is or ever was populated, thus fails WP:GEOLAND. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 21:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Maria Toumazou

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Redirect to List of Cyprus women's international footballers. The subject has earned at least one cap for the Cyprus women's national football team. I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from third-party sources, failing WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Movement Strategies

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No independent sources provided, no additional RS found in a WP:BEFORE aside from trivial coverage of the acquisition of the company. Clearly does not meet WP:NCORP. Tollens ( talk) 21:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Lesly Molina

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Redirect to List of El Salvador women's international footballers. The subject has earned at least two caps for the El Salvador women's national football team. I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage from third-party sources, failing WP:GNG. JTtheOG ( talk) 21:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

List of competitive Counter-Strike maps

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Pointless list with entries that violate WP:N and WP:GAMEGUIDE. I thought this article would be a neat idea to bundle together some coverage on maps that didn't have enough for their own articles. It was a neat idea, but unfortunately it died there immediately because there is no coverage in the first place besides trivial esports knowledge. Competitive Counter-Strike is well covered at articles such as Counter-Strike in esports already. Four maps in this series have their own articles already, these being Dust II, Inferno (Counter-Strike), Mirage (Counter-Strike), and Nuke (Counter-Strike). These are also the only four that I believe are able to hold their own coverage wise, and even then I think Nuke and Mirage are a bit flimsy. Everything else simply lacks the coverage for even a list entry, with Overpass and Train being prime examples of this. Everything this list can say or would be able to say is "this is a Counter-Strike map" with trivial esports knowledge that has no value to an encyclopedia and absolutely zero critical commentary. This list serves no purpose. Negative MP1 21:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  • I believe that I jumped the gun on this article and didn't investigate available sources or write out this article any further, so I am going to strike my comment and Withdraw my nomination, but since there's possibility for a different outcome that isn't keep, I'm not closing this nomination early and will let the discussion run it's course. Negative MP1 18:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Negative MP1 21:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Would this not be deletable under WP:G7 as you provided "the only substantial content of the page"? Other editors only fixed minor typos. If you changed your mind about the article, it could probably be speedily deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 21:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I thought about doing that but I didn't know if it would qualify since the page was already reviewed and had existed for two and a half months. Negative MP1 21:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep – I'm seeing here a list of major setups used within the competitive game. Four of them have independent articles because there is so much written about them. Other entries in this list are only subject to a few articles by publications like PC Gamer, PCGamesN, Dot Esports, or Shack News. The list handily compiles the most commonly used maps in the sport with release dates and other general information about what makes the maps unique. I think the Rock Paper Shotgun source is particular helpful in establishing this list as its own topic, and The Dot even presents them as a list in an article, and PCGamesN goes into detail about four of them at once too. A deletion nomination per "gameguide" is wild to me in this case, as the closest it gets to that is "The map has an increased emphasis on long-ranged combat". To me, this nomination just feels like disregarding competitive Counter Strike as a legitimate subject. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 08:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Comment – If you think "Nuke" and "Mirage" have flimsy notability, merging them into the list would be very reasonable to me. A discussion for their talkpages I suppose. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 08:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I'm not necessarily saying they're not notable, what I meant to say was that I don't think they are as notable as Dust II or Inferno. Negative MP1 08:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I'm not trying to disregard it as a subject, I love Counter-Strike and I find levels/maps fun to write about. My primary concern here is "could each map be covered with reception and history", which I feel all that are outside of the four with articles wouldn't meet that bar. Negative MP1 08:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    List articles typically don't present a full history and legacy/reception for each entry. It's common on Wikipedia for lists to just be a few tables. I'm genuinely really happy this list is all (sourced) prose, that's rare to work out. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 08:37, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    If that's the case, then I suppose I can withdraw this nomination, maybe I needed to write this article out a bit more before determining this. Negative MP1 18:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. A list of maps is WP:GAMETRIVIA. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    As per no. 7, I presume? In this case nearly all information is presented within the context of their significance to the "industry" (competitive scene), as per the described exception for when to include such information. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat) 13:45, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Yeah, I don't agree that it's gamecruft. I found at least one source talking about competitive CS maps as a whole, and many of the maps are individually notable. It's safe to say that CS maps are a topic worthy of listification, as long as it doesn't get too heavily into GAMEGUIDE content and talks about their out-of-universe significance. This list is far from violating WP:NOT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Four maps have their own articles, and coverage has been found. Dream Focus 04:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, enough meaningful coverage does exist to support this article staying. GraziePrego ( talk) 03:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Uyama Hiroto

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Passes WP:MUSICBIO. Strong evidence for a well-established career and is well known and well-liked by the social media crowd and music fans. scope_creep Talk

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 20:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

David Lanre Messan

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This is a puff piece for a non-notable person, whose sources vary between primary and unreliable. Look at this--if The Nation is reliable in the first place, maybe--but this is a highly promotional interview. This--well it starts with "David Lanre Messan, by the insignia (DLM) is a serial entrepreneur, idea strategist and multiple award winning global leader." That's not journalism, that's puffery, and these are the best sources. The man was CEO of the year? Well, according to CEO Review, a website owned by a marketing team. No, not notable, unless skydiving supports that claim. Drmies ( talk) 20:05, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi, i'm A friendly user. Learning as coding is a hobby. Please, how can i contribute. I want to improve this. That's if its improvable 155.245.23.33 ( talk) 15:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Irish Town, California

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No information at all found about this location, except for GNIS and a passing mention ( [3], which only says the name appeared on one undated map). The location is non-notable, does not have anything approaching WP:SIGCOV, and since there is another, better-documented California ghost town called Irishtown this article should be deleted to avoid confusion. WeirdNAnnoyed ( talk) 19:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Liam and Me

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NBAND and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete and Salt No indication of significance. Streaming and social media links are non-existant. Don't seem to have any fans originally. Just a small obscure band some fans want preserve the memory of them. Wikipedia is not the place for it. Discogs doesn't even list their album, which never went anywhere. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep Talk 07:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Liquid Sky (band)

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NBAND and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Property Institute of New Zealand

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general and organizaiton-specific notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Fails GNG. It would be helpful if someone familiar with the colloquialism of New Zealand could explain what this article even means. I assume it is related to real estate. It reads to me like it's a real estate group, that offers the services of "Web advertisement, conferences, networking, websites", etc. Something along the lines of a real estate umbrella group. The Wikipedia Pageviews Analysis shows mostly no views, with one or two views here and there. — Maile ( talk) 20:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. I'm not sure what the target article for a Redirect was being advocated for here but you can create one from this page title. Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Pink Lady Lemonade ~ You're from Outer Space

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general and album-specific notability criteria. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Redirect: Could only find this review from Record Collector from last year. QuietHere ( talk | contributions) 16:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. While the discussion is only 2 to 1, the keep argument on the basis that this lubricant is the uniform industry standard for the US military is not grounded in Wikipedia policy. signed, Rosguill talk 01:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

MIL-L-63460

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WP:ROTM military standard. One among thousands with no indication of significance in the article and no WP:SIGCOV of the standard itself to be found. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him) Talk to Me! 13:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. signed, Rosguill talk 01:54, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2020 DonaldD23 talk to me 13:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. It was a cult series of the 1970s in former Yugoslavia, and continues to be a popular culture reference to this day (as evidenced by frequency of the very phrase "return of the underdogs"). I cleaned up completely unrelated references (that only happen to use the phrase) [4] and expanded the article based on a rather comprehensive article in Nova [5]. As said above, there are multiple book sources that could be used, although I did not find one available on GBooks comparable to the Nova article. No such user ( talk) 10:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. and rename to Sogou Baike Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Soso Baike

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Unreferenced stub created 10 years ago that does not make any claim that the topic it covers meets GNG. No zh interwiki, no Chinese name. English name appears in a few places according to my BEFORE but only in passing. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

City of Mandaluyong Science High School

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@ RadioactiveBoulevardier: found the source https://www.onstageblog.com/onstage-blog-news/2019/2/7/a-high-school-in-the-philippines-is-about-to-perform-an-unauthorized-production-of-hamilton-because-of-course-they-are but as that is a blog I am not sure it is enough to show notability. I did a quick search but found little. Chidgk1 ( talk) 18:58, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Comment Due to the nature of the blog I’d consider it a fairly significant and reliable source.
Yeah, it’s still only one source, but per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES there exists a consensus (one of the results of the 2017 RfC that removed the general presumption of notability for verified secondary schools) that "References to demonstrate notability may be offline, and this must be taken into consideration before bringing a page to AfD."
Let’s see if anyone can find more sources. In my opinion, if Tagalog or other non-English sources can be found, it would still bolster the presumption of notability.
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Not a fully independent source, but there’s this in terms of footprint: [10] RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk) 20:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
And I’m not sure that "a quick search" satisfies the letter of WP:BEFORE… RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk) 21:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
If you had not reverted my PROD I understand it could have been "soft deleted" and therefore brought back later. But as I understand this AfD process it could not. So certainly we should allow plenty of time for Tagalog speakers to research and comment on this.
Unfortunately there is no article in Tagalog - if any of the school students or teachers are reading this perhaps you would like to create one in Tagalog - then we could copy your sources. Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I could not figure out their "contact us" page at https://cmshsmandaluyong.wordpress.com/contact-us/
maybe because I am not on X. Perhaps one of you who is would like to drop them a note suggesting they create a Tagalog article Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Assuming Tagalog Wikipedia rules allow them to create a page about their school of course unlike our rules Chidgk1 ( talk) 06:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 23:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Ken Kensei

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Non-notable actor. Could not find SIGCOV about him. Natg 19 ( talk) 18:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 23:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Softgarden

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Blatant promotion without notability. G11 nomination got declined for some IMO obscure reasons. I also tagged this article for speedy deletion on dewiki and frwiki; there the cross-wiki spam was deleted in a matter of minutes, see de:Softgarden and fr:Softgarden. Icodense ( talk) 18:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Software, and Germany. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Fails GNG, coverage completely trivial/routine. Macktheknifeau ( talk) 18:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Is notifying the author really "obscure reasons" if it's in the introduction of policy here [1] and in the lead at the French Wikipedia [2]? It's also mentioned at the German Wikipedia. [3] Sdrqaz ( talk) 22:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    It's a recommendation, not an obligation, so I don't see why this should be a valid reason to decline an otherwise justified speedy deletion request. In dewiki, it's definitely not even usual and I've also never encountered problems in enwiki until today without doing this. But yeah, seems to be really important here to some people to disrupt fighting cross-wiki spam, notifying about spam is more important than fighting spam in enwiki, I got the point. -- Icodense ( talk) 23:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    That's not the point. If there's a "strong consensus" for it, then notifying is the default, not the exception. We shouldn't be circumventing consensus without good reasons, and inconvenience is not one of them. Sdrqaz ( talk) 11:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • I do believe the decline reason given is... less than ideal. Most likely, there would have been less drama if it were declined for not being sufficiently blatant to be a G11 by enwiki standards, which is also the case. Procedural notes aside, this is clearly not suitable, so delete. Alpha3031 ( t • c) 09:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I hesitate to comment because of my interaction with the nominator, but I believe there's some confusion about my decline of the G11, and part of that confusion is my fault. I did not decline the G11 because the tagger failed to notify the creator. I declined it because I didn't think - and still don't - that it met the criterion. As Alpha3031 says, it was "not...sufficiently blatant to be a G11". At the same time, I informed the nominator that they were required to notify the creator. Putting aside the policy argument about whether that notification is in fact required, I think the nominator - and probably others - interpreted my comments on the nominator's Talk page to mean that it was a procedural decline and could be remedied by retagging it, which the nominator did, and notifying the creator, which the nominator also did. I have in the past done procedural declines of tags, but I say that in my edit summary, which I did not do here. At the point that I saw the retag, I didn't realize how my comments could have been interpreted, and I thought the nominator was retagging after a straight decline, which is prohibited by policy (and by common sense), so I reverted without comment and posted again to the nominator's Talk page, meeting the same willful resistance as before. Sorry for the long-winded explanation. Y'all can go back to your voting.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 11:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: Sources seem to only consist of routine coverage, failing WP:NCORP. ARandomName123 ( talk)Ping me! 13:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 23:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

The Walsh Company

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Unnecessary article copypasted from Kevin J. Walsh and created despite draft being rejected due to lack of notability and reliable sourcing. Should be redirected to Kevin J. Walsh if not outright deleted. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 18:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Halanna Capri

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Contested WP:G11. Even if the promotional content were to be removed, I still have doubts about Capri's notability. Digital Journal comes across too promotional to me and the website says that you can pay for content on there, which makes me doubt that this is independent journalism. I can find no mention of her in any reputable WP:RS. Furthermore, I can't see any evidence of WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. The article creator makes the claim that her songs are 'chart-topping' but this claim is unverifiable. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. signed, Rosguill talk 01:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Glen Vella

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Non-notable Maltese singer. While he did participate in Eurovision he hasn't won it, the only win listed in any version of the article being a Malta-specific contest. I am also having a hard time finding sources to help support this man's notability in a Wikipedia sense (music reviews, coverage of his Eurovision performance, just general coverage of him that isn't an interview, etc.). (string: "glen vella") The only source that has been proffered thus far (by apparent conflict-of-interest editor CAMIM045 ( talk · contribs)) is a webpage that is now dead and hasn't been archived that I can see. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 15:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

While he did participate in Eurovision he hasn't won it - If you read the article well there is NO mention that he won the Eurovision!
There is the link to his facebook and instagram account!
Kindly refrain from updating any article again.
Thank you! CAMIM045 ( talk) 15:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Winning the Eurovision contest, provided it is sourced, would have guaranteed notability then and there ( WP:NBAND bullet 9). — Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 15:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep: Eurovision Song Contest Entry: https://eurovision.tv/participant/glen-vella Muzika Muzika win: https://tvmnews.mt/en/news/video-glen-vella-wins-the-first-edition-of-muzika-muzika/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/GlenVellaOfficial Instagram Page: https://www.instagram.com/glenvellaofficial/ CAMIM045 ( talk) 11:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
We don't cite social media. What is your connexion with Vella? — Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 15:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

LGBT rights in the post-Soviet states

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This article is an original resource. No reliable source treats LGBT rights in the states within the territory of the former Soviet Union as a single topic. We do not have articles like LGBT rights in the post-Austro-Hungarian Empire states or LGBT rights in the post-British Empire states, or even LGBT rights in the Commonwealth of Nations states. Kpratter ( talk) 13:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. This is a keep because this is a legitimate topic. There are common themes across various post-Soviet states that stem from their histories within the USSR, and the Russian Empire before that, which make it logical to have an article about the post-Soviet states as a whole. That doesn't mean that the article is in great shape. What we have here is a big section on LGBT rights in the USSR and nothing more than a table summarising the rights in the post-Soviet states. I would like to see the USSR part split out and merged with the proposed new LGBT history in the Soviet Union article, if that goes ahead. The table is good but a table alone is not an article. We need some text to explain things. The sources found above should help with that. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 14:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I Love the World

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made on behalf of 2603:8001:4542:28FB:64C1:4968:5AAA:4086/64 (see wikipedia:help desk#I Love the World); no comments on the merit of the request. this is their rationale:

The current sources for this article utterly fail GNG:

  1. the first is a press release and therefore non-independent;
  2. the second and third don't relate to the commercial at all;
  3. the fourth is a self-published YouTube video and is thus non-independent;
  4. the fifth is an entry in a database which provides no critical analysis whatsoever, and also has been dead for six years; and
  5. the sixth is a primary source.

I did some looking online but failed to find any reliable, independent, non-blog articles actually discussing this in-depth. Yes, there's an xkcd comic referencing this, but any sources for that will be focused on the comic as opposed to the commercial. The article also mentions that it won the silver award at the London International Awards, so maybe it could in theory meet WP:WEBCRIT#2, but I also couldn't find any reliable, independent, non-blog sources mentioning that either--and given how much the London International Awards article smacks of promotion (it had over 25 references to its own website or to press releases, not including inline external links, before I cut them out), I'm not exactly sure that's even the "world's leading award show" it claims to be (because hey, I could find barely any sources about that awards show either!).

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The result was keep‎. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Nupela

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This page was previously deleted and now created again with only one reference. Looking for suggestions. iVickyChoudhary ( talk) 12:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Just noting that the page was previously deleted in 2009 as part of a mass deletion of articles created by Anybot. The relevant AfD can be found here. Also noting that this version and the previously deleted one are very different. Hey man im josh ( talk) 12:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Jonathan Mwe di Malila

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Lack of notability, biography of living person, the bulk of information is unsourced. Typical self promotion, as evidenced by private details and picture upload. The TV appearance is on one episode of a scripted TV show. The art show lasted two days at a room-for-rent gallery. The article had been prodded before, hence the AfD. Minderbinder ( talk) 11:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Rollin Jarrett

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article was sent to PROD with the rationale: "Non-notable actor/screenwriter. No independent sources provided to establish notability."

PROD tag removed by subject himself (proof: [19]) talking in the third person, with the rationale: "This individual meets all general notability guidelines (GNG) as a simple Google search will illustrate. He is also known as Rollin Jewett. He is an actor and screenwriter with notable IMDB credits, a multi-published author and poet, an award winning singer-songwriter and has notable off-Broadway playwright credits. Suggest improving and updating page rather than deletion."

This is false. Google search of either version of the name brings up either social media pages, routine entries on databases (Imdb, mubi etc) or other routine coverage. In truth, none of the achievements listed in this article convey notability, or are covered in independent secondary sources. The article was created by the subject himself; clear self-promo. Jdcooper ( talk) 09:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

I've always countered with "Yes, the person does likely meet notability guidelines, but we need sourcing in RS that prove that. Being well-known doesn't mean you'll have article written about you, it's the latter that we look at." Oaktree b ( talk) 13:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Well, the first two hits are Linked in, then the Miami Vice wiki, so we're off to a rocky start. Then imdb and a Rotten Tomatoes list... Unless his Google search is vastly different than mine, or it has somehow changed since the comment was made, Google is a bust. Oaktree b ( talk) 13:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
There appears to be much more listed under his given name Rollin Jewett (Jarrett is a stage name). Perhaps the search should include those credits as well, or the page be renamed Rollin Jewett. 2603:6080:D03:5900:24DA:33E5:1719:5B89 ( talk) 22:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

American Society of Interventional Pain Physicians

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Article has never been sourced, material on page challenged. Was previously nominated for speedy deletion, which was reduced to a PROD, which was challenged because the article went through AFC (though it never contained any sources) and seems to be the subject of dispute (though I can't see any dispute). I'd be happy for this to be moved to draftspace to preserve the page history in case someone wants to work on it, but it's very clearly not ready for mainspace in its current form. Additionally, I can't seem to find any secondary sources with substantial coverage of the organisation. Tollens ( talk) 09:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to Weyes Blood. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 14:05, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

In Holy Flux

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With the exception of a Facebook page link to the list of tour dates there are no references for this page. How this tour is notable is not indicated. Redirect back to the album until there are more substantial sources to warrant a separate page. Karst ( talk) 08:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Magshimey Herut

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An obscure political group with an impressive range of maintenance tags and a single about us link to its own website as sourcing (at the time of nomination). Barely a scrap of a mention to be found online about the group, with the only mentions seeming to be trivial in the extreme. Notably no Hebrew page exists for it. Not notable and fails WP:CORP by a long shot. Iskandar323 ( talk) 12:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

NB: The page has now changed dramatically since nomination. The level of sourcing is still not fantastic (the Jerusalem Post piece, for example, appears to be a fairly unedited press release that has just been slapped up by an editorial grunt; the WJW piece is the most substantial), but I am now somewhat on the fence. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply
After cursory google search, group appears to be the youth organization grown out of Herut. Not saying the group is particularly impactful, but on its origination grounds alone (and affiliated politicians and defunct political party) seems enough to pass muster. Political party is defunct, but seems to have transitioned to a still-active general advocacy movement.
That said, page reads like an ad and needs to be cleaned up.
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If it is firmly linkable to that movement, might it make sense to merge it to that page? Both are currently very short. The present state of affairs, with the connection only tangentially alluded to in the see also section, definitely seems sup-optimal if this is the case. It would represent a gaping gap in the history here, and a missing element on the other page. And if they were linked in a parent-child manner, based on how little material there is here to summarize, it might be more duplicative than beneficial to have it hosted on two pages. Iskandar323 ( talk) 03:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Ah, fair enough. Not sure why being a youth movement of such a minor party would bring any level of notability (and anyway, WP:NOTINHERITED applies). Number 5 7 10:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Only seems one active editor who cares to keep this page alive. I pinged his talk page and will see if he has anything worthwhile to say pertaining to keeping this. Mistamystery ( talk) 05:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Federal Soft Systems

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Unremarkable company, fails WP:CORP, sourced only by press releases and trivial coverage, and in a WP:BEFORE search I can't find any better coverage in RS.. No indication of notability for awards won. Wikishovel ( talk) 08:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was Draftify‎. There is overall agreement that a list at this title shouldn't exist. Editors arguing for draftify hold that the article content could potentially be developed into an adequate list at another title to be determined, and there appears to be minimal opposition to this course of action. signed, Rosguill talk 01:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

List of exoplanets with Bayer designations

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A random intersection of two characteristics which isn't the subject of study or indepth sources. Exoplanets are "named" after their stars, and the stars may have Bayer designations (which basically means that they are in some of the oldest catalogues). But there is nothing special about this group of exoplanets which would make them a separate subject of study or interest in reliable sources. Fram ( talk) 08:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Delete, and speedily. Planets can't have Bayer designations, only their parent stars, so it's a ridiculous title for an article. Skeptic2 ( talk) 10:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Comment The bad title is my fault. The original title was quite oddly formatted so this was my apparently inadequate reform attempt. Apologies to the page creator and WP Astronomy. jengod ( talk) 14:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Delete - "A Bayer designation is a stellar designation in which a specific star is identified by... BrigadierG ( talk) 11:20, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Please note, this is also something very recently created and worked on by an editor that started just this month, I think deletion without a chance to improve is too close too WP:BITING the newcomer for my tastes. — siro χ o 23:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
An article that says "Most of these planets are in the dimmer stars of Orion. Unfortunately, not a single one has been discovered in any of the main stars that we can see with the naked eye." is hardly a good source to show coverage of the subject... Just like an article about "They are targeting stars with magnitudes less than 8.4 (remember that fainter stars have higher magnitudes). For comparison, that’s still fainter than the human eye can see (magnitude 6 or less)" is definitely not about this list subject. Which leaves us with this, which, while also discussing some exoplanets around naked-eye visible stars, is not about that, but again about exoplanets within one constellation, no matter if they have a Bayer designation or not (a lot of the article is about Gliese 581, which isn't visible). So no, none of your sources actually is about exoplanets around stars with Bayer designations. Fram ( talk) 07:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Thanks for taking a look. Draftifying doesn't generally require NEXIST to be established. Those sources were from quick googling and more of an indication that NLIST would probably be satisfied with some amount of investigation. — siro χ o 08:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I made no comment about draftifying or not, but I don't see how three sources that are not about the subject, can give any indication that NLIST would or wouldn't be satisfied. Fram ( talk) 10:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
A note after reading the additions above. Bayer produced his catalogue of all the stars he could see in 1603, a few years before the telescope was invented so they are all visible to the naked eye. Bayer designation of a star is slightly more objective than "naked-eye" though is much the same thing. Bright stars are of particular interest to astronomers looking for exoplanets because, generally, more is known about the star so the potential for further discoveries is greater. [24] All the stars in the list seem to have articles so the list has a navigational purpose, one of the listing rationales in WP:NLIST. Thincat ( talk) 10:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I changed the redirect target for List of stars with exoplanets to Lists of exoplanets, as the previous target was indeed not accurate. Fram ( talk) 10:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Draftify, or retitle if consensus can be achieved on something suitable. This is a tidy, fully-sourced table created in good faith by a new user with an evidenced interest in exoplanets. Maybe it will live in draft purgatory forever with no progress, or maybe some editorial notes and resulting changes to the lede (etc.) will make it suitable for promotion to the big show. Draft space is useful option for developing *editors* (not just specific content) who we'd like to encourage and in my opinion this would appear to be such a case. jengod ( talk) 15:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Mandaue's Administration

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Tagged with unclear and confusing tag since 2010. No references and not notable. HueMan1 ( talk) 07:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Delete no sources makes a merge out of the question. It's time to start stacking up the WP:TNT. BrigadierG ( talk) 11:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Delete. Redundant. There are articles already for subject article's contents: mainly for the history of Mandaue local government (partial) and the list of its town/city heads.— Raider000 ( talk) 05:53, 30 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗ plicit 12:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Wales national men's roller derby team

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No proper references on the page and seems nearly a decade out of date because has not been updated. Unfortunately it seems that National Roller Derby teams get almost no coverage, therefore there is little to suggest the page is notable. JMWt ( talk) 07:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. ✗ plicit 12:27, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Kyrgyz art

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Article is completely unverifiable and likely written by a large language model. The text consists mostly of vague generalities and there are no inline citations. The four general references given are bogus, as far as I can tell: the two books don't appear to exist, the two links are broken. Kyrgyz art is certainly a notable topic, but this version of the article doesn't contain anything worth retaining. –  Joe ( talk) 07:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 04:16, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply

2nd iKON Awards

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There is no evidence of any serious RS SIGCOV for this commercially motivated and entirely self-serving award, presented by 'SAUTIplus Media Hub' in Uganda. This and its parent article the IKON Awards are not backed by any reputable academy of film or other body and are all too easily abused to create 'notability' for figures where none otherwise would exist. Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 05:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:19, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

J. N. Lummus

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No notable achievements other than being first Mayor of Miami Beach city. Sources only cover his political decisions. iMahesh ( talk) 05:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect‎ to List of programs previously broadcast by Net 25. Liz Read! Talk! 07:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I-News

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Challenged for references since 2019. Google News Archives and Google News did not turn up reliable sources. Strongest claim for notability is a 2009 Anak TV Seal nomination but that's it. Alternatively, redirect to List of programs previously broadcast by Net 25. -- Lenticel ( talk) 07:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Sileather (material)

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Fails NPRODUCT and GNG. There are sources in the article, but none of these satisfy WP:RS, and thus don't contribute towards the product's notability as a separate product; they establish that it exists. Attempts to find sourcing on Google yields articles that a) have no author, b) are clear press releases, c) have no significant coverage, d) are not independent, and/or e) are simply not reliable. TWL has 7 articles that contain the word, but none of them are significant; all mentions are in passing, or in a list amongst many other like products (again, ENN). Google Books contains 1 book that has a passing mention of the material. Likely better included in Artificial leather instead. WhoAteMyButter ( 🌇talk│ 🍂contribs) 04:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello! Thanks for your comments. I'll try my best to apply all your comments. Please just noticed that it's a product that is getting more appreciate around the world. Secondary articles are not yet many. But I hope with time they'll. And I'll use them to improve the article. Please give a try. Don't delete it now. In few years It can be very popular. Pay attention:I'm not a UPE editor or a worker of this company. I'm just an independent writer who use the product and appreciated it. I apply some changes to make it more neutral. Please let me know what I can do more. Have a good day! RoseSophie555 ( talk) 11:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
There is NODEADLINE. If sources don't exist now, when will they? You can always recreate the article once reliable sources exist for it and you can fix the issues outlined here. As it stands now, though, the article is not notable. That may change in the future, but not right now. WhoAteMyButter ( 🌇talk│ 🍂contribs) 01:21, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Hello! Thanks for your comments. I get what you mean. But before the article get deleted, I'll improve it by searching and adding reliable sources and by improving existing sources. Else I'll wait and when I'll find reliable sources, I'll recreate it again. 16:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC) RoseSophie555 ( talk) 16:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Ned Parfett

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Not meet notability as this is "Classic one event" per last time this was deleted [25] Mason ( talk) 03:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

George Bogin Memorial Award

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:GNG. Merging to Poetry Society of America could be acceptable. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. UtherSRG (talk) 12:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Not particularly policy based but I'm not really seeing how deleting this list of winners benefits the encyclopedia? The granting body is clearly notable and the list can't reasonably be duplicated in Poetry Society of America. There's abundant name-checking of the award in poets' bios in reliable independent sources, so readers might be interested to find details. A lot of the recipients have articles, so it provides a useful resource to readers in threading our articles on poets together. Proquest finds a mention in “Connecting a Different Reading Public: Compiling 美国文学大辞典" Yu, Jianhua. The Journal of Transnational American Studies Vol. 10, Iss. 2, (2019) which is talking about the inclusions in an academic handbook covering foreign literature published in China in Chinese, implying it is a major literature award at an international level. But I guess simply coming down to the notion that our fundamental purpose is to be an encyclopedia, so strong arguments need to be raised to delete information where there is reliable-enough sourcing and no harm. Espresso Addict ( talk) 22:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
And for those desperate for coverage, further trawling through Proquest finds IN FOCUS BEST BETS FOR THINGS TO DO AROUND TAOS: Local poet wins national award. The Taos News; 01 Apr 2010: TE.33 (several paras). Espresso Addict ( talk) 22:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
JSTOR search shows winners (and sometimes judges) have historically been noted in the magazine Poetry eg News Notes. Poetry, Vol. 158, No. 5 (Aug., 1991), pp. 299-300 JSTOR  20602919 and many more from other years. There are also brief comments in 3rd-party reviews of poetry that mention the award eg "But one has to admire Cader for embarking on the project (which, after all, won the 1997 George Bogin Memorial Award)." Review: The Mind's Way of Hanging On. Reviewed Work: The Paper Wasp by Teresa Cader. Review by: LARISSA SZPORLUK. Agni, No. 51 (2000), pp. 273-279 JSTOR  3007867 suggesting that the award is of significance to the reception of the work. Also noted in JSTOR  0639652. (Not sure why these weren't showing up in the Ebsco search?) Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
My editor hat question/not a !vote as it's also not policy based is would be what makes this an article. The award could be mentioned in the PSA article, and the winners in a category. To me, the souring depth isn't there and it could achieve your point of provides a useful resource to readers in threading our articles on poets together. Just my .02 Star Mississippi 01:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
These awards lists are something that GNG is rather ill-suited for, imo. In my experience only very prestigious awards get the kind of depth of coverage that GNG fans desire. The rest get this kind of level, ie inclusion in writers' bios all over the place (which is a major reason it's useful to readers), plus brief announcements that X won, plus occasional local coverage of the form 'local author won prestigious national prize, go us!'. In cases like this where no-one doubts the existence of the object, I tend to go back to necessity to delete, relating to harm from article, which isn't demonstrated here, in my opinion. But clearly other mileages may reasonably vary. Espresso Addict ( talk) 02:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Yep. I don't totally disagree with you, nor with @ Scope creep. I just don't fully agree either. I feel like (separately from however this closes) we do need an article on Bogin though, which I may start. Star Mississippi 02:21, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
ETA: George Bogin. It needs more but it's enough to survive for now. Star Mississippi 12:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus‎. Editors arguing for deletion did not respond to arguments presented by editors arguing for keep. signed, Rosguill talk 01:41, 6 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Brokenteeth

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, WP:NSINGER criteria showing lack of significant coverage from secondary independent non- questionable reliable sources. A quick search on Naver didn't return anything helpful with Google/Bing even worse. I also couldn't find the subject charting on the Circle Chart, South Korean national chart. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 12:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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Delete The two Korean sources identified by sourcebot as green (khan.co.kr and Newsis are trivial mentions), the rest aren't much help. I'd suspect there would be more coverage of his TV show, but Korean sourcing isn't my expertise. Oaktree b ( talk) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Following the 2017 Discussion, Sputnikmusic's "staff reviews" were determined to be reliable sources, and we can confirm that reviews from source is also staff review. Also, Visla Magazine is also an online magazine that is officially established as a company, and I think the official article here is also a reliable source. 올해의수상자 ( talk) 06:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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Battle of Amman (1970)

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Exact duplicate of Black September in scope and content. Article title barely supported by any reliable source. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  • Keep The clashes took place in several places other than Amman such as Irbid, Ramtha and Ajlun. The nominator did not provide any evidence that the article is identical to Black September. This discussion is unnecessary and it would have been better to focus on other matters. 1, 2
3, Dl.thinker ( talk) 18:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Black September refers to all of these incidents. Breaking them up into new articles with identical content is called Wikipedia:Content forking. Makeandtoss ( talk) 23:56, 10 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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Delete - Appears to be a WP:CONTENTFORK. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 02:29, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Estar8806: Can you elaborate how it is a CONTENTFORK? You need to explain.-- Dl.thinker ( talk) 03:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Comment: The conflict began in 1970 and ended in 1971, while this battle extended from September 6 or 17 until September 28. The Black September article is big enough. The creation of the article was based on WP:Splitting.-- Dl.thinker ( talk) 02:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply
The article Black September isn't actually all that long. The readable prose size is only 34kB which, according to WP:SPLIT, is not enough to justify a split. Because of that, any efforts to split should absolutely be discussed rather than boldly done. This article should be deleted, but I don't see any reason a split discussion can't occur (though I don't see any reason for a split). estar8806 ( talk) ★ 04:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • If this is a CONTENTFORK, but not a POVFORK, then redirect or merge seems in order as an ATD. Preserving history would facilitate split discussions, and also allow for editors to merge content or examine sources in the future. — siro χ o 05:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply
siro, what target article are you proposing? Liz Read! Talk! 02:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Target Black September. — siro χ o 02:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC) reply
A quick glance at the nom's contributions reveals that there is a potential conflict of interest. The article is expandable and was still under construction when it was arbitrarily nominated for deletion! Dl.thinker ( talk) 02:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Dl.thinker, please focus on addressing problems with the article that have been brought up, not by casting aspersions. That is not a winning tactic in AFD discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Liz: Maybe you should direct this to that editor. I did not slander them, on the contrary, I said what is clear to everyone. Dl.thinker ( talk) 18:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Again, you are better off focusing on the discussion rather than engaging in ad hominem. Editors can be subject to discretionary sanctions when editing articles under WP:ARBPIA, such as this one. Makeandtoss ( talk) 07:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - IMO, it's worth pointing out that this article could be expanded into a large article which can stand on its own: For instance, the battle for the city is discussed in some detail in books like Armed Struggle and the Search for State; Divided City: Coming of Age Between the Arabs and Israelis; Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991; and Lion of Jordan: The Life of King Hussein in War and Peace. So there is enough content for a full overview focused only on this clash instead of the entire Black September. Of course, the current article lacks this level of detail. Applodion ( talk) 12:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    According to WP:Notability, for a topic to have its own article, it would need to have significant coverage in reliable sources. I have looked at the mentioned books and none of them have significant coverage of a battle in Amman, other than being mere mention in the first book page 263; while second book is an autobiography; no mention of an Amman battle in the third book; and the fourth book doesn't mention a battle in its own right. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Ok, I'm confused. How do you not find the battle in these books? In Armed Struggle and the Search for State, the battle is covered on pages 263-266; in Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991, the battle is discussed on pages 336-340, and in the fourth book it is covered in the "Civil War" chapter. There are also newspaper articles providing details, like this one, this one or this one. Naturally, there is an overlap with the wider Black September, but at least some sources see the fighting in the city as one operation within the overall war. Perhaps one issue is the article's name; in different articles and books, the event is also described as "battle in Amman", "clashes of Amman", "clashes in Amman", and "battle for Amman". Applodion ( talk) 15:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I see them but nothing about that content warrants a standalone article. Wikipedia guideline speaking, notability is yet to be demonstrated by existence of significant coverage in reliable sources. Every detail about the “battle” or clashes is covered in the Black September article. Makeandtoss ( talk) 22:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    No, it isn't. The details on the battle itself, such as the back-and-forth clashes over certain locations in Amman, are completely missing from the Black September article (and would not belong into an article on a war anyway). It's fine if you consider details on urban warfare uninteresting, but claiming that "every detail" of this confrontation is covered in the Black September article is just objectively wrong. Applodion ( talk) 09:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Please show me which sentences or details in this Battle of Amman (1970) article that are not covered in the Black September article? And please demonstrate how these details warrant a new standalone article, because they are so extensive that they cannot be introduced to the Black September article? Also and most importantly kindly demonstrate existence of significant coverage on the topic as warranted by WP:Notability, such as for example a dedicated chapter on the clashes/"battle" in Amman, or even a subchapter? Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    In the aforementioned sources (as well as others such as Mirror of the Arab World: Lebanon in Conflict and Patrick Seale's Assad and Abu Nidal), the tactical planning of both sides for the battle as well as strategic dimensions are discussed: I.e., how long a battle would take, which forces had to used, which areas should be secured, who planned what and which group had advantages in which area. This is not featured in detail in the Black September article, and would not fit there either way. Then there was the actual progression of and conduct of the urban warfare, such as how the Jordanians attempted to retake PLO-held areas with tanks and artillery, and individual clashes for certain areas. This article could also cover reports by the civilian residents of Amman, who certainly had something to say about their homes getting destroyed. There were also the sieges of the two hotels, most importantly the Intercontinental Hotel, which are barely mentioned in the Black September article, but received substantial news coverage and could be covered in this article. Applodion ( talk) 12:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Intercontinental Hotel siege occurred in 1976 and is not connected to Black September, it could be mentioned if there's a reliable source connecting the two, but it should not be covered in the article.
This does not satisfy guidelines in WP:Notability, which are the criteria to deciding whether or not a topic deserves a dedicated article:
  • 1-"Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." No significant coverage as demonstrated by lack of dedicated papers, chapters or even subchapters.
    2- "Sources should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability." which excludes all the New York Times articles mentioned. Makeandtoss ( talk) 14:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Notability is established. We are past that point. Your arguments are not satisfying. You pointed out first that it was contentfork and later argument about notability. There was a clear effort on both sides to impose control over the capital, as it is a center of gravity and includes state institutions. A great article could be created on this topic and perhaps nominated as good. Dl.thinker ( talk) 15:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Re. the hotel comment by Makeandtoss: Just to note this, several sources I found stated that two hotels, including the Intercontinental, were besieged during the fighting in Amman in September 1970. In fact, one of the journalists mentioned above mentioned it as well; these sieges were not the same as the hostage incidents of 1976. Applodion ( talk) 15:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Interesting, didn't know that. Point remains notability hasn't been established, and the effort in creating this non-notable article involves heavy original research. Makeandtoss ( talk) 17:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I fail to understand how dozens of sources providing details on this matter is original research. Not every notable topics needs an entire book devoted to it to matter. And it's not like that these sources just mention the clashes in passing. The newspaper articles included as examples above, for instance, are almost exclusively about the battle. Heck, one is even titled "JORDANIAN ARMY AND GUERRILLAS BATTLE IN AMMAN". Applodion ( talk) 19:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Primary sources cannot demonstrate notability. For the remaining sources excluding NYT, secondary ones which are few, they don’t even have a subchapter dedicated, thus the content is only extractable via a sentence here and there; i.e. lack of significant coverage and lots of original research. Makeandtoss ( talk) 00:32, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I think we fundamentally disagree on what primary sources are, and what constitutes substantial coverage. For me, dozens of pages in several scholarly books constitute substantial coverage. I don't think we will ever agree on this issue. Applodion ( talk) 09:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC) reply
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works. It's not what I think, and what you think. WP:PRIMARY: "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved".
IAll New York Times articles cited are primary sources. The rest are not "dozens of pages" dedicated to the "battle" in Amman, but rather dozens of pages about the Black September conflict, which as the name suggests, is about the fighting that occurred in September 1970, mainly in Amman.
WP:SIGCOV: "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content.
And again, per WP:Notability, notability is yet to be demonstrated by presence of significant coverage in reliable and independent secondary sources. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
I understand quite well how Wikipedia works. "A newspaper article is a primary source if it reports events, but a secondary source if it analyses and comments on those events". The newspaper articles of the time didn't just report stuff, they also tried to analyze the situation; being a newspaper article does not automatically make it a primary source. This is a question of interpretation, and you have a certain view, which I respect but disagree with. And, again, I stand by "dozens of pages". In the examples I gave, the focus is often more on what was going on in Amman rather than the "whole" Black September which also involved fighting in many other locations. In Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991 alone, two pages are devoted to the planning of the battle in Amman, two more to a strategic analysis mainly focused on Amman, and the rest of the Black September section mainly splits its attention between Amman and the Syrian invasion. You consider this a lack in "significant coverage", while I would argue that this means the topic was being addressed "directly and in detail". Obviously, we interpret it differently.
Anyway, we won't agree on this issue, and that's fine. People don't always have to agree. Ultimately, someone else might chime in and voice their support for your or mine position; then we will know whose interpretation was considered more logical. Running circles around each other isn't helping either of us; let's just wait for the vote to come in. Applodion ( talk) 22:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event. An analysis article in 1970 is still a primary source. Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Not per Wikipedia:Identifying and using primary sources: "Examples of news reports as secondary sources: [...] Analytical reports: [...] This is not merely a piece that provides one or two comments from someone who is labeled an "analyst" in the source, but is a major work that collects, compares, and analyzes information." I would argue an analysis by John L. Hess, which is used as example above, qualifies for this. Applodion ( talk) 13:19, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
From the essay, not policy, that you cited:
“An article on the case that was published in 1955 could be read as a primary source that reveals how writers were interpreting the decision immediately after it was handed down”. Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
I argued based on the essay, as Wikipedia:No original research does not properly define primary sources in relation to newspapers, listing one possible definition by Duke University Libraries as an example which could be used. And for your quote, please note the phrase "could be read". Either way, we can both find arguments for and against our positions in the rules; they were written that way on purpose, to allow for interpretation and exceptions. I again want to emphasize that I do not think your views are wrong; I merely disagree with them. Applodion ( talk) 10:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. An editor can create a Redirect should you wish to. Liz Read! Talk! 03:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Marsden Road Public School

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Primary schools are rarely notable. This one fails WP:NSCHOOL. 2 of the 3 sources are primary. LibStar ( talk) 00:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Delete per nom. Aydoh8 ( talk) 04:23, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus that at least some of these sources provide significant coverage to warrant Keeping this article. Note: This is not a the typical outcome in an AFD for an article about a footballer. Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Dan Morgan (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 ( talk) 00:02, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ GiantSnowman: I also found

  • [28] ("Morgan was one of the better players at Maritzburg last season, helping his side avoid relegation. He is solid defensively and proved that he can also be a threat in terms of attack with decent set-piece-taking ability. Morgan was a first-team regular for Maritzburg United during his stay at the Team of Choice and so is familiar with the ins-and-outs of South African football"),
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  • [30] ("Morgan... playing either as left-back, centre back or left midfield... returned home to re-join Auckland City... Morgan has won both the domestic league and the Oceania Champions League")
  • [31] ("He has enjoyed a solid 2 years in his time with the club. Dan Morgan offered both Eric Tinkler and currently Ernst Middendorp a lot of versatility... His educated left foot... The performances of Morgan seem to improve as time passes by. He is sure to continue being a valuable player for Maritzburg United. Off the pitch, Morgan enjoys a pretty simple life in Pietermaritzburg. Like many focussed footballers, his life is centralised around his job. He doesn’t seem to participate in many extra-curricular activities outside of the game")
  • [32] ("he still featured in 25 out of 30 PSL games this term. 16 of them as a starter. Never scored for the club but did pop up with a few assists from left back"),
  • [33] among many more sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 18:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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How are the sources atrocious... even taking those two sources you mentioned into account, the rest of the many sources all have secondary coverage... has ongoing career as well... Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 19:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Peat pulp bath

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I don't think the source I found before prodding is enough to show notability Chidgk1 ( talk) 13:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. ✗ plicit 04:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Melbourne International Festival of Brass

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Can't find much in the way of mentions on google apart from WP:CIRCULAR or primary sources, no sources at all cited in article. If someone can find them, I would be happy to not delete. MarkiPoli ( talk) 13:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep‎ per WP:SKCRIT#4. —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 19:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Rahul Varun

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He is not such a notable actor he is just operating a digital marketing agency name (name - RV Rising Entertainment & The Filmy Charcha [1] [2] [3] to publish a Press Release is not a big deal for these kinds of person. Here are some proofs of paid promotions of News articles [4], He is also creating a paid Wikipedia pages through Instagram advertisements [5]-- Nitish Edits DWIa ( talk) 20:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC) In fact the creator of this page also globally blocked with a reason of using multiple account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish Edits DWIa ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 24 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ https://filmycharcha.com/
  2. ^ https://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/Rahul_Varun
  3. ^ https://rvrising.com/about-rahul-varun/
  4. ^ https://instagram.com/rvrisingentertainment?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
  5. ^ https://instagram.com/rvrisingentertainment?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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The result was merge‎ to History of slavery in Georgia#Domestic slave trade. If content has already been moved to this target article, feel free to turn this page into a redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 01:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Killing of Jesse Kirby and John Kirby

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Fails WP:SUSTAINED. They liberated themselves, and were apprehended again, as reported at the time in the newspapers. If this hasn't received significant attention afterwards, it shouldn't be treated any differently than how we treat the many crimes or human interest stories which get some attention in the newspapers nowadays, but which we don't consider suitable for an article here. I couldn't find anything in Google Books, and the article offers no other indication that this is a case which has been discussed afterwards and is more than just a short burst of (mostly identical) news reports. Creator indicates that they "can't find this in any quality secondary sources" but preferred an AfD over Prod to get more eyes on it. Fram ( talk) 15:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

2022 Madrid explosion

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This event, as sad as it may be, fails WP:NEVENT, WP:LASTING, and WP:SUSTAINED. Gas explosions occur everyday all over the world, nothing particularly notable about this one. FatCat96 ( talk) 01:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus‎. Three relistings and I still don't see a consensus. I would strongly discourage a quick return trip to AFD for another go-round. We don't need a further month considering these articles. Liz Read! Talk! 01:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

2016 in Polish television

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The article doesn’t really cover the subject stated in the title. It’s just a list of randomly chosen titles of programmes that aired that year in Polish television. Small chance it's a semi-hoax… Ambiroz ( talk) 17:12, 4 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Delete all. Creator is blocked Brachy08 (Talk) 23:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages:

2015 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2014 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2013 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2012 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2011 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2010 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2009 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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2007 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2006 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2005 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2004 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2003 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2002 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1999 in Polish television (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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  • Keep all The International sections should be trashed (it's children show cruft thrown in by the usuals), but it's highly doubtful any of the actual domestic entries are hoaxes at all and the nom is advised to be very careful about using that term in the future without any proof. Nate • ( chatter) 00:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    • What for? These articles list few shows suggesting that during a whole year merely six or seven programmes have aired, as if nothing really happened in the previous 30 years, which is highly misleading. They have absolutely no informative value and look like lists of what the author watched, not what the audience was following these years.
      Ambiroz ( talk) 06:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment A lack of data is not an automatic disqualifier for an article, and it's natural for these non-English lists to be incomplete because Polish editors focus on pl.wiki, not here on en.wiki. I see no issue with the articles as-is and we are not going to attack any contributors here, nor are we going to show bad faith by calling their edits a 'semi-hoax'. Nate • ( chatter) 14:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    • Would you accept an article entitled “List of bones” ( bone) with only seven or eight human bones itemised? When there easily could be over 200 of them, let alone other animals (assuming the whole information is available, as opposed to e.g. list of ancient rulers)? I wouldn’t say that’s an incomplete list, it’s rather a barely-started list.
      Ambiroz ( talk) 06:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment The edit button on each article is there for you to add entries to the list and you seem Polish-fluent. You can also easily draw from pl.wiki for what they have regarding television resources; you can't say there aren't any sources out there, but they just aren't in a language that we aren't usually drawing articles from. Nate • ( chatter) 19:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    • I’m not going to do that, as these “articles” need to be written from scratch, there’s nothing in them right now, and there are loads of such pages for Danish, Spanish, Portuguese… television – and they all contain little to no information. The author, a currently blocked user did something badly and it needs to be re-done (more accurately: done).
      I didn’t say there are no sources available. But the blocked author clearly didn’t do any research whatsoever. In Polish Wikipedia these would be draftified in no time because of how tinnily they’ve been made (to be honest, I thought that was obvious).
      Ambiroz ( talk) 07:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • You keep on replying to less important parts of my comments – also I haven’t stated that the deletion should be made due to the fact that the author’s blocked. I’ll write it again then: these are just randomly chosen titles and they DO NOT (…) “provide an overview of television that year” [which they are meant to be doing], they are not even remotely close to doing so. [They are far below the minimum standard that a Wikipedia article should represent. If you don’t want to delete them, draftify them until someone writes it better, because the way they look now shouldn’t be shown to the readers.
    Ambiroz ( talk) 14:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment As repeated above, I don't care if the blocked user stole the Mona Lisa. This article at the very least was constructed in good faith, and I do not feel any of the content meets the definition of a hoax, and I'm not willing to remove this article because you think it's a hoax, which it isn't, it's just incomplete. Nate • ( chatter) 13:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Community of Democratic Choice. Liz Read! Talk! 01:16, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Community of Democratic Choice Youth Forum

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Lack of notability. It's unclear whether the organization still exists or what its specific activities are. No independent sources are cited or can be found. Icodense ( talk) 20:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:14, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Eric Lilavois

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Non-notable person, by our standards at least--though the IP editor who reverted my PROD said, "This should not be deleted. Eric Lilavois is a public figure in the Seattle music scene and all information is accurate". Be that as it may, there are no secondary sources in the article that verify this, and Google (News) offers nothing more: just a few more or less promotional pieces on some websites. Look in the history for how promotional it really was. The IP might be User:Olenderj8, who created this and the companion piece, Crown City Studios. Drmies ( talk) 21:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge‎ to Mossad. Liz Read! Talk! 00:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Katsa

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Delete or merge into Mossad. This is just the Mossad version of a case officer, which every intelligence agency has. Every linguistic variant of the same concept does not need a separate article. The term of "Katsa" is not notable on its own. The article's sourcing refers to katsas who are in Mossad departments covered in the organization's article. No need for a separate article here. Longhornsg ( talk) 17:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep‎. I understand that AFDs about similar subjects have closed with a deletion but I see a consensus to Keep on this one and no support for deletion besides the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Ben Driebergen

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I could not fathom how else this person is notable besides winning Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers. Sure, he also appeared in Survivor: Winners at War, but he didn't win the season, and his gameplay hasn't received coverage outside recaps, especially by Entertainment Weekly. Also, he was medically evacuated twice in The Challenge: USA and The Challenge: World Championship. Outside Survivor, I don't see how else he is notable for his other activities, and I don't think medical evacuations from The Challenge would suffice, would it?

WP:PAGEDECIDE should apply if neither WP:BLP1E nor WP:BIO1E does. Furthermore, should be redirected to (preferably) Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers or (alternatively) List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants. George Ho ( talk) 22:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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    Strongly disagree. I’m of the opinion that survivor winners are notable per se, but that in addition to his appearance in 40 perhaps the most important season and on other shows, in addition to being a marine and being a PTSD activist. I will boost article with more secondary sources but BD simply is a notable figure in American reality tv. Volvlogia ( talk) 23:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I’m of the opinion that survivor winners are notable per se Sorry, Volvlogia, but at least ten (or more) articles about individual winners have been redirected per AFD discussions. Same for the Survivor: Panama winner. Furthermore, two articles about the winners of Survivor: Island of the Idols and Survivor: Marquesas have been deleted. Also, being PTSD-diagnosed can be already mentioned in the season page that mentions his win. George Ho ( talk) 00:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I disagree firmly with those deletions and anticipate their reversals. Volvlogia ( talk) 02:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    Wanna know the names of admins who made those decisions? You may contact them for reversal. Why anticipating? George Ho ( talk) 03:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I'm able to articulate expectations without taking immediate actions to realize them. The long arc of the universe bends toward survivor winners. Why the snarky tone? My focus remains on BD, who is notable enough for a wikipedia article. Volvlogia ( talk) 18:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    I apologize for making you perceive my tone to be... "snarky". That's not my intention. I was frustrated by repeated assumptions from others that being a one-time Survivor winner makes one person notable. Those assumptions were countered by AFD discussions, yet I see one like this lately. If I failed to convince you this time that my tone wasn't "snarky", then... whatevs.
    Anyways, in this case, merely reappearing in Winners at War has been proven insufficient, which led two articles into being redirected. Furthermore, being medically evacuated from The Challenge didn't save another article from being deleted. I'm not confident that both reappearing and two medical evacuations would suffice, especially for someone suffering from PTSD, but I can't change your mind further. Oh well.... George Ho ( talk) 20:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply
    All I have left to add is that if the consensus is as you say it is, then I respectfully dissent. Volvlogia ( talk) 20:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. The relevant notability guideline is WP:NACTOR. Our threshold, accordingly, is significant roles in multiple notable [...] television shows. I'm not sure that being a contestant in a reality TV show is necessarily a significant role for the purposes of applying this guideline. However, in this specific case, it probably is, considering also that the two shows had only 18 and 20 contestants, respectively. I think we can somewhat safely say that NACTOR is fulfilled. Actualcpscm scrutinize, talk 22:00, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Actualcpscm. Dfertileplain ( talk) 19:38, 2 October 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Return on event

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Non-notable topic. Of the two sources in the article, one's a marketing white paper, while it's just a passing reference in the other. I cannot find any sources that aren't marketing tools themselves. ~ T P W 15:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. Sources are lacking and the topic hasn't received enough independent coverage to justify an article.
Cortador ( talk) 11:55, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
Delete Nothing here, or from an internet search, to suggest 'Return on Event' is notable. Appears to be an idea put forward by a small number of agencies and if it warrants mention on Wikipedia at all I'd suggest that would be as part of a wider article on event management and not a standalone article. I note also that the article appears to have been created by an SPA with almost no other contributions and who was blocked shortly after creating this article. Hmee2 ( talk) 16:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge‎ to List of methanol poisoning incidents#Philippines. It looks like this incident is briefly mentioned in the target article but perhaps more details could be added to the mention. Liz Read! Talk! 00:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC) reply

2018 Luzon lambanog deaths

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Contested prod so here we are. Article has issues per WP:NOTNEWS. While unfortunate, this incident is quite common. See here for some articles from 2019 and 2020. I think methanol poisoning incidence are newsworthy yes but not as a Wikipedia article as the most reaction you'll get is either a temporary ban or a a warning given to local distillers. -- Lenticel ( talk) 00:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply

I'm fine with redirect per WP:ATD. However, I think list of methanol poisoning incidents would be a better target. -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
[Edited] Merge {Sorry, i mean} Delete and {i suggest} transfer its content (not necessarily the entire texts) to target aforementioned page. The problem is that the article, regardless of having reliable sources, fails WP:N in the first place. It happened that these incidents occurred in a span of less than two weeks, while each of them might be taken as headline story by some media outlets due to casualty counts; yet these incidents had no reported (or had little) impact to the country's lambanog production industry, as well as no known long-term effects. By the way, please take a look on my searches in Google: (1) and (2). Based on these, aside from tallies, some of later events include FDA statement; other results indicate that similar incidents occurred a year later. A 2020 article and this study might not enough.— Raider000 ( talk) 12:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC) reply
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