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This is not an encyclopedia article. Poor references, mostly primary sources. Fails
WP:GNG. The subject of this article works organizations that do not have Wikipedia articles.
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Semi-advertorialized
WP:BLP of a rap musician, with no strong claim to passing
WP:NMUSIC and no
reliable sources. The strongest notability claim here is of the "got X number of views on an internet streaming platform" variety, which is no part of our notability criteria for musicians -- and across the board, the sources here are blogs, social media and streaming platforms, with not a single piece of real journalism in real media to support his notability. As always, no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he has a stronger notability claim and some legitimate sources to support it -- but right now, it's
WP:TOOSOON. This is also a direct
conflict of interest, if you compare the creator's username to the article subject's real name: see
WP:AUTOBIO for why this is not acceptable.
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In trying to break into the midmarket, Pramati will compete against some major high-tech companies, including Hewlett-Packard, which is giving away a basic version of its application server. "It's a small company that says they're going to compete on price, but how are you going to compete with IBM for example on price?" Illuminata analyst James Governor asks. "IBM could give it away until the cows come home." Pramati's success will depend on whether it can partner with large distributors and resellers and convince some major independent software vendors to bundle the application server with their products. In addition, Pramati's tools are going to have to be substantially easier to use, a challenge given the fact that J2EE is known as a difficult platform.
The article has a section titled "Pramati Technologies".
The article notes:
Pramati Technologies Private Limited (PTPL), one of the Red Herring 100 Private Companies of Asia, headquartered in Hyderabad, India was incorporated in 1998 with seed capital from the likes of Citigroup and Intel Capital. PTPL is a global provider of Java software development technology (an end-to-end Enterprise Java platform vendor) with offices in New York, San Jose, Hong Kong, Singapore and London. After winning some key customers in India it aggressively marketed its products – the Pramati Server 4.1 (an application server) and the Pramati Studio 3.5 (component development lifecycle tools) – to global companies like CitiGroup, Ericsson, and Standard Chartered Bank and ended up winning by being price-competitive and by providing inexpensive support. According to the company, “Pramati Server is the right choice for small-to-medium businesses and independent software vendors, who need fully standards compliant application server platform that provides classic enterprise-class features, scalability and performance demonstrated through industry-standard benchmarks”11:
http://www.pramati.com/index.jsp?id=corporate
The articles includes information from the founder.
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I don't think there is enough coverage of this wealthy businessman to make him notable.
WP:BEFORE only gave me one additional reference, to the 2009 Sunday Times rich list (the 2005 one is already referenced).
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After coming across this article due to its tag, I tried to expand it but U don't think it meets
WP:NSONGS. There isn't enough information to grow beyond a stub and many of the third party sources quote the same press release making coverage very sparse. ≫
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Delete - There is nothing to substantiate that this is or was notable. Notability is not inherited from the artists that were nominated (and as stated in nom, the award was never even given).
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The result was keep or more precisely there is a consensus not to delete. There is no consensus as between keeping as-is and redirecting to
Cosmic entity (DC Comics). That does not need to be decided at AFD; it may be taken up further on the article talk page.
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11:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think the subject passes LISTN, but I'm not convinced they current article is in anyway useful. At minimum, it should be limited to blue links only. At best, it would be expanded from bulleted names to a table providing actual information about the characters. I don't think it rises to
WP:TNT, but I can't bring myself to call it a KEEP, either.
Argento Surfer (
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12:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)reply
KEEP Perfectly valid list article, aids in navigation, links to articles with a notable thing connecting them as proven by reliable sources found.
DreamFocus00:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Cosmic entity (DC Comics). The current list needs massive culling. Not only should all of the non-notable, non-blue linked entries be removed, but many of the actual blue-linked entries should be as well, as they are characters that are not "cosmic entities", have never been described as such in the comics, and their inclusion here is pure
WP:OR. In addition, many of the blue linked entries are not linking to pages to actual comic characters, as the DC versions are not at all notable, but to the articles on the actual mythological beings they were based on, whose articles do not talk about the DC versions at all. Once that has been done, the list will not be long enough that it would need to be split off from the main article. The main article is already functionally the same as this list is anyway - a small blurb explaining what a "cosmic entity" is, and then a large list of random characters. There is no reason to have basically the same thing spread across two articles. Any actual notable, blue-linked entries that are currently on this list, and not the other, can be easily moved over.
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14:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The main article does not have most of what is listed here. So its a valid list article, no reason to eliminate it, wouldn't all fit properly over there.
DreamFocus02:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Most of what's listed here are non-blue linked entries with no context, no explanation, and no sources, or blue linked entries that actually link to articles that don't even mention DC comics, also with no context, explanation or sources. None of those should be even be in consideration for what would "fit" in a merger, as they should not be at either place.
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04:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Discussion still continuing today indicates it's probably worthy of extending the AfD deadline for just a little bit more to achieve a clearer consensus.
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19:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep but trim the hell out of it. Looks like a LISTN pass, but non-notable entries should be culled. Probably best to rework it as only for notable entries.
Hog FarmBacon19:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
If we do that though, then there would literally be no difference between this and
Cosmic entity (DC Comics). I honestly don't see why this topic needs to be repeated in two different article spaces, if you agree that this should be reduced to only the notable entries, which is exactly what the main article already contains.
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00:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep While I am not unsympathetic to the content fork point of view Cosmic entity, in a better developed form, should have far more prose than it does today. On the other hand the list would remain a list and has value as a navigational aid. Best,
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As far as I can tell, this is a general locale based on the creek itself. The origin story is for the name of the creek, and while it is used as a place name for railroad incidents and the like I cannot find any evidence of any settlement, and on the topos it's just a name next to the tracks with no associated buildings or indeed any features at all.
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18:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Rail siding miscategorized as a community. The "unusual place names" source is beyond useless, it's just a self-published list of names. –
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A research centre/department established by the
Hong Kong Baptist University which does not seem to pass
WP:GNG or
WP:ORG. All of the sources cited are primary sources (the website of HKBU or the centre itself), with
a directory-like passing mention at the HK government website, with no significant mentions anywhere else
based on my search. Also note
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which provides that Faculties, departments [...] within a university, college, or school are generally not considered notable unless they have made significant contributions to their field. The "Major Publications" cited does not seem to qualify as "significant contributions in the field" of Sino-Christian studies.
Dps04 (
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03:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Either Keep or Merge with
Hong Kong Baptist University. A purview of current literature on Sino-Christian theology mention researchers sponsored by this Centre which is stated to be a parallel institution with the
Centre for Applied Ethics, but having a different objective. The Centre sponsors research and organizes key international events in the field of Sino-Christian studies. So, I would suggest a strong keep decision to editors. If not Keep, it should deserve, at least, a Merge but not delete.
Solatido05:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Solatido, Thanks for the vote, and let me start off by thanking you for your contributions as the creator of the nominated article.
As a research department under a university, my understanding is that the article on the Centre for Sino-Christian Studies ("Centre") is subject to the relevant notability guidelines, especially
WP:ORG (See
WP:NSCHOOL for more information). Would you care to provide a list of multiple reliable secondary sources with significant mentions of the Centre to show the subject meets the relevant notability requirements? I would be inclined to think mere mentions of researchers sponsored by the Centre in the academic literature wouldn't count as significant mentions for the purpose of
WP:ORG or
WP:GNG.
Also, you mentioned that the Centre "sponsors research and organizes key international events in the field of Sino-Christian studies.". Could you please state clearly what are the events you consider to be of such huge importance such that the Centre has also inherited notability through organisation of these events?
Of course, I am open to a merge option, but this is premised on the assumption that someone would undertake the duties in selectively merging the contents of the article to the HKBU article. --
Dps04 (
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16:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Dps04, Thanks for the encouragement on my wiki edit! A quick search on
Google books for mention of the Centre returns results related to researchers connected with it that I regard to be one evidence of its notability in the area of Sino-Christian studies. As the institution is regarded as an independent body similar to the
Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, but in the area of theological studies in Chinese context (e.g.
Partner Institutions, York St. John University), I would think that it is notable in its own area of contribution. In case the majority here think that the centre itself doesn't deserve a page of its own, I would still believe that there should at least be a page on Sino-Christian study centres that would include reference to this centre and like institutions that are notable in the area of research. But, I would strongly suggest that this page deserves a Keep motion and "Sino-Christian Study Centres" or "Institutions" should rather be a category.
Solatido11:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I have listed some events in the article. I also have seen a number of institutions announcing an upcoming major international conference on Rapid Religious and Cultural Change.
Solatido12:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Solatido, Thanks for the input. Unless I am missing something, there were only 4 or 5 books which even mentioned the subject per
your Google Booksearch, none of which contained a significant mention or description of the institution itself. Again, it would be helpful if u could cite reliable secondary sources mentioning or at least implying how the Centre was notable in the area of Sino-Christian Studies. But I'll defer to others to evaluate the sources out there. Regardless of the outcome, thank you for your contributions on the wiki to date :) --
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The result was keep per
WP:SNOW (six keeps with no dissent) and the likelihood that, with this starting point, continued discussion is more likely to focus on the nomination history than on the merits of the case. —
David Eppstein (
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21:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Pretty extensive article for a first-year grad student. Creator argues GNG, but I don't see it in the sources. The subject clearly has potential to become notable in the future, but looks like a case of too soon for a page at the moment.
Take Note List (
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17:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Speedy Keep - yet another nomination by a new editor of one of Jesswade88's articles. Created an account, made exactly enough edits to be autoconfirmed, waited a few days, and nominated it. Are we really going to permit harassment by nomination? If an experienced editor in good standing wants to renominate, so be it. — Rhododendritestalk \\
18:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep – Disclaimer, I made this page. I'm not sure who you are
Take Note List, but please leave me alone! Focus on making Wikipedia better, not trying to take women's biographies down.
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This appears to be a mistake in scraping Durham for names, because
Madeline, California still exists, and even has its own post office. I do not have access to Durham's text, but the rough geography matches up; the coords in the article, which are not sourced, give a random point in the middle of nowhere. The spot described in the ghosttowns.com listing is clearly the extant town. I can find no evidence that there were two Madelines in the county, so I have to think this one is a mistake.
Mangoe (
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17:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete There's no sign of anything at the unsourced coordinates given, and there doesn't appear to be a Madeline "62 miles North of Susanville" either. The most likely explanation is a duplicate that got mis-scraped somehow.
I don't have access to the Durham book for this area, but many of the entries in other editions are nothing more than "appears on X map, Y miles North of Z." If there was anything more than this, I like to think that the person who created the article would have included it. –
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Delete: the page appears to be a combination of fancruft and original research. There's no evidence that the band is notable.
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17:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The last two votes should be ignored as it does have an existing reliable source; a staff written bio in AllMusic which the nominator did not bother to mention, and it seems the two voters did no more than glance at the article,
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unless I am missing something, this doesn't appear to be a notable animation company. Searching in English and chinese ("朝阳动画") gives virtually nothing useful in terms of sourcing.
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16:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Clearly isn't notable. Especially if there isn't any sources in Chinese. Even if there was though I'd still lean on the delete side since it's the English Wiki and there should at least be a few sources in English to support the Chinese with IMO, but there isn't. --
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The result was no consensus. Moving articles during an AfD discussion is disruptive for a reason and this AfD demonstrates what that is. Discussion is all over the place, some commenting on the notability (or not) of Urdudaan as an article, others discussing its utility as a redirect, and still others ignoring it altogether in favor of discussing the notability (or not) of Urdu speaking people (which just for fun appears to have also been at Urdu Speaking people). So there are lots of comments but on too many topics to form a consensus. No prejudice to a speedy (though I recommend perhaps not immediate) refiling that makes a deletion argument (e.g. POV Fork or Notability) about the current title. Following that if necessary Urdudaan as a redirect can be handled at
WP:RFD.
Barkeep49 (
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01:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Title is not a widely used term in English but also is in not of much use in Urdu. It also fails to define the subjects it is trying to describe/mention/represent. Again, to mention the term doesn't passes
WP:Verifiablity &
WP:Notability tests. For details please see the talk-page of the article. Fztcs16:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. The term itself has zero prevalence in academic literature. Google scholar only yields two hits
[11], and both are merely mentions of a blogger named Urdudaan. The term is also virtually non-existent in non-academic texts (only 80 Google search results
[12]). The topic itself ("Urdudaan" meaning "Urdu-speaking people" as an ethnic group) does not meet
WP:GNG, either. None of the sources given defines "Urdu-speaking people" as an ethnic group, and everyting that can be said about the speakers of the language should be covered in the language article itself, viz.
Urdu, unless someone comes up with sources that actually back up the claim that "Urdu-speaking people" are an ethnolinguistic (and hence, ethnic) group. –
Austronesier (
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17:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose The article needs work, but not deletion. The term is a historical term for the regions comprising that of the native Urdu speakers in British India, or the people themselves. It should be revised to make this clear along the lines of my talk page post. I'm surprised though that an AfD has been opened before reaching any kind of consensus on the talk page. The AfD has been opened and supported by people who are claiming they have never heard the word. Let the page exist for a month or two and then see how far it has devloped. I'm on vacation, so will not be returning. Please do not ping me. Best regards,
Fowler&fowler«Talk»13:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment as I'm being called-in (albeit not by name but by reference) in previous post, I'm respondin to it.
Will you care to take burden of proof and prove that, "The term is a historical term for the regions comprising that of the native Urdu speakers in British India". We have been asking this from start and till now no-one has been able to provide anything.
And, yes, I have never heard of it, especially in the context of how it is being represented and utilized in the article, to denote native speakers of Urdu (btw...my mother tongue is Urdu & I'm native of Oudh esp. Lucknow-Faizabad region), but that is not the point, my personal views bear no weight, if there is ample proof to prove the merit of the term to render it fit to be title of an article and representative-word for a linguistic-group fighting for existence in it's native & elsewhere spaces.--Fztcs16:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Magichero1234:comment It is quite strange, the major contributor of the article not even commented a single word either to delete or keep the article, hope they might be aware of this discussion
Majun e Baqi (
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10:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete The only source seems to be using the term as an urdu speaker while the other sources are about Urdu or other topics. Even if someone can come up with a source that verifies that the term is historical and specifically used as a term to describe urdu speakers, this would, at best, merit a line in the Urdu language page. --
regentspark
Keep My apologies for not voicing my opinions until now. This is a word that we, especially in Pakistan, often use to refer to Muhajirs as well as Urdu speaking people from other ethnicities (most notably Punjabis). I think this page should stay because Urdudaans share not only a language, but many cultural traditions and foods. And as the user before me mentioned, if
English People can have a page, why can't Urdudaans?
Magichero1234 (
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07:00, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment so that means Urdudaans is just another word for
Muhajir people of Pakistan. Also, that means Urdudaans doesn't represent all the ethnic/native-Urdu-speakers, most of whom happen to be Indians. That further limits the scope of the term and by implication the article, that also means, the article is misrepresenting the facts. I'll suggest the editors including
Magichero1234 to update the article in accordance with these comments.--Fztcs07:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment oh no I don't think I made myself clear enough. We use Urdudaan for anyone, not just Muhajirs. Urdudaan in Urdu means Urdu speaker.
Magichero1234 (
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07:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment I think, by this, "Urdudaan in Urdu means Urdu speaker" you mean ,"Urdudaan in Pakistan means Urdu speaker", because the term is not used (or very rarely) in India for Urdu speaker.--Fztcs07:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Magichero1234: As already has been pointed out in the nomination, the page fails to meet
WP:Verifiablity. We have already pointed out that Urdudaan is not used in English, and even if we found a better page title, the question remains if reliable sources present the totality of Urdu-speakers as an ethnolinguistic group. If this cannot be backed up by reliable sources, we end up with a page about
Urdu-speaking people or
Urdu-speaking world. In this case, I would question its
WP:Notability for a standalone, because this is best covered in the main page
Urdu, unless we have sizeable information that would justify a size-split (as in the case of
English-speaking world). –
Austronesier (
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08:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment The only way this article could possibly (again, possibly) be retained is if it were to be renamed to "Urdu-speaking people" and its scope redefined accordingly. The latter is a broader definition which includes a large segment of the North Indian population, in addition to the people who speak Urdu as a first language in Pakistan. Mar4d (
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17:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Vice regent I'm not contesting the notability of
Urdu-speaking people. In fact as I mentioned above, it would be quite coherent to have an article on the Urdu-speaking population in South Asia, particularly as it would include a large section of North Indian Muslims who belong to this identity. My only concern is content-based, deriving from the current article. Mar4d (
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19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I have made some additions in references to this effect. In case the consensus tilts toward delete, I would prefer that a merge be allowed first of the relevant material into the determined target article. Mar4d (
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06:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment This article's very content is wrong, it refers Urdudaan to native Urdu speakers which I think is not entirely correct. Daan is Persian word which means knower, colloquially Urdudaan is used to denote a person expert in Urdu not just a knower. Similarly Sciencedaan(Scientist) is said to a person who is expert in science not just a knower. Like this article
[13] about
Patras Bokhari who taught English but was an Urdu writer says that "Angrezi ka naamwar Urdudaan (English's famous Urdudaan). The other terms are Urduwan and Urduban, these are remotely used terms to denote Urdu speakers, 'wan or ban' in Persian means speaker. Like Persian speakers are referred to as
Farsiwans or Farsibans and Hindko speakers are referred to as
Hindkowans. So this article's content needs to be rewritten if it stays or else it be deleted since Urdudaan is not much notable. An article on Urdu Wikipedia can be an option.
USaamo(
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Comment I see the potential that the article can be rescued as a page covering the idea of having an article about the speakers of Urdu can be realized in a page
Urdu-speaking people as a broad topic. This would essentially cover the content of the sections
Demographics and geographic distribution,
Cultural identity and
Urdu speakers by country of the main article
Urdu.. To avoid content forks, we will have to move the material of these three sections to
Urdu-speaking people, and and leave a short summary with a hatote in the main article. I see two problems here: 1) The page
Urdu is not excessively large, and the remaining article will lose much of its core content. 2) The content of these sections has some sourcing issues. The section "Urdu speakers by country" is even contested as completely improperly sourced and deletable, see
Talk:Urdu. For these reasons I prefer to keep (and expand) the information in
Urdu, and not to split it out just to salvage a failed attempt to maintain a page called "Urdudaan". –
Austronesier (
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15:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm fine with a re-write. In that case the closing admin should make that note. This is important because otherwise when we re-write people might come along and claim there is consensus that this is not a notable topic. But reading comments above, that's not true.VRtalk15:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Majun e Baqi: I moved the page to
Urdu speaking people from
Urdu Speaking people, please bother to see the history (but even if you don't see the history you should be aware of it as it was you who performed the previous moves). I still vote for deletion for Urdudaans and Urdudaan, even if they are redirects, nothing is linking to them, what is the use to keep them?--Fztcs07:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete and redirect: The comments of
Austronesier, to include the extra comments of 08:12, 14 July 2020, are compelling. Problems are 1)- the article is vague , 2)- any missing coverage can be presented in the article
Urdu (as mentioned), so it is 3)- an unnecessary split. What is the need or want to create a new article with disregard that the parent article can use improvement through expansion of any missing material. --
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The definition fails
verification and no such definition appears in any RS that mention lockdown dramas. It is not clear that any genre definition for this neologism is possible or that a consistent usage exists yet. A
WP:BEFORE search shows only one characteristic in the usage: that a story is set in a domestic setting during the current pandemic. Trivially setting a story in a contemporary reality is not enough to posit a new genre.
Eggishorn(talk)(contrib)16:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep The 'genre' does appear to be gaining some traction;
[14][15] althogh it is seemingly only being used to describe 1 show at the moment. Part of my reason for voting keep is that shows about lockdown will most likely be made after lockdown has ended.
AlessandroTiandelli333 (
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20:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete one experimental series does not a genre make. Does not meet WP:GNG; way more sources are needed before you can say its even a "thing" yet.
Curdle (
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07:46, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on television. Per above, it's not ready for its own article yet. The impact article is a good destination because, while so far it's mainly about productions being cancelled, it's where we should put content about how the pandemic has affected the type of TV being produced once someone gets around to writing it. {{u|Sdkb}}talk20:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete It has two current existing examples...that isn't a genre. Also, it needs to be generally successful for a number of years and series/films/books to prove itself as a genre. So thus, calling my rationale as
WP:TOOSOON, and if there's public resistance to these projects, then the genre will never exist. No redirect to the above, as again it has only two examples and can be thought of as an aberration. Nate•(
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So in early 1963, Sorell and George Skonce, both Colorado Springs residents, organized the first meeting of The Retired Enlisted Association.
In the 35 years since, TREA has grown into a nationwide veterans group with 85,000 members. The Springs chapter is the largest local unit, with 3,000 members.
...
The organization won other fights, such as exempting a portion of retired pay from state income tax and shielding widows and widowers of veterans from high inheritance tax in Colorado.
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In November 1964, TREA expanded beyond the Pikes Peak region to form a chapter in Georgia. Five more chapters formed before TREA's first national convention in 1967. Today, there are 56 chapters. In 1970, TREA formed an auxiliary, which now has 16,000 members.
A group to support retired enlisted service members in Colorado Springs was born out of a coffee break.
Two retired Air Force sergeants - George Skonce and Dean Sorell - wanted a way to fight for their rights and a place to mingle with fellow veterans.
As they sat and sipped coffee at Peterson Air Force Base in 1957, they dreamed up The Retired Enlisted Association, or TREA. In February 1963, they held the first meeting: Forty-four people showed up at what was then Ent Air Force Base, now the U.S. Olympic Complex.
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Today, TREA has blossomed into a 50-chapter organization with 3,200 members locally and 85,000 nationally. Dues start at $20 a year.
A nonprofit that sought and collected donations supposedly for paid phone cards for veterans and their families was ordered by a Minnesota court Thursday to shut down after the state Attorney General's Office said the charity fraudulently collected hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Along with closing operations, Colorado-based TREA (The Retired Enlisted Association) Memorial Foundation must come up with more than $400,000 that will be distributed to legitimate veterans-support groups in the state, according to the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, which prevailed in Ramsey County District Court.
A House lawmaker has unveiled a bill to revoke the federal charter of The Retired Enlisted Association because of what he calls the group's "misleading" fund-raising tactics.
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TREA formed the League in 1992 as a special project to serve civilian retirees. Niski said the board of directors of the enlisted association still elects the board of trustees for the senior citizens' group, but TREA is not involved in day-to-day management of the group.
Many associations such as TREA have federal charters. They are prestigious stamps of approval, but are not required for such groups to exist.
Nothing of the sort, however, occurred on 26 July at a hearing of the Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Ways and Means Committee. Representatives of The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA), the ninth-largest U.S. veterans service organization, appeared under subpoena to explain their role in what lawmakers contend has been a systematic effort to bilk senior citizens.
Lawmakers and federal investigators said TREA, through a "special project" group called the TREA Senior Citizens League, uses misleading information to entice elderly Americans to donate cash and add their names to mailing lists that TREA then rents to other organizations.
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TREA itself has approximately 100,000 members, most of them retired enlisted. But the Senior Citizens League, begun by TREA seven years ago, has a donor list of 1.3 million elderly Americans, most of them persons who hope to gain better Social Security benefits through a legislative victory. League brochures suggest victory is near; lawmakers with jurisdiction over the issue say victory is very unlikely.
According to the letter you received, you would not quality as a member of The Retired Enlisted Association anyway, since you never served in any branch of the Armed Services. That aside, TREA is a legitimate organization, founded in 1963 and chartered by Congress in 1992. There have been some stirrings in Congress to revoke that charter, largely due to the political activity of a subsidiary branch of TREA called TREA Senior Citizens League, or TSCL. (TSCL recently has been covered in this column in connection with its request for funds to lobby for Social Security "Notch Baby" remediation.) Both TREA and TSCL have Web sites: [websites]
TREA is listed as a veterans' services organization on the Veterans Administration Web site.
The Retired Enlisted Association (RE) was created in 1963 and works for the expressed purpose of “[enhancing] the quality of life for uniformed services enlisted personnel, their families and survivors-including active components, Reserves, and National Guard, and all retirees” (Retired Enlisted Association). With less wealth and membership than all previously mentioned groups, the Retired Enlisted Association very rarely takes a stand on issues that are not directly related to the interests of former enlisted service people.
In this week’s segment of “Honor Their Service,” we introduce you to The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA).
The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA) was started by two enlisted servicemen from Colorado Springs back in 1963. They saw a need for having an enlisted association.
TREA went through the whole process and was sanctioned by Congress to have a national charter. Its goal is to help and serve both active duty and retired veterans as a whole.
There are about 45 active chapters across the U.S. but only one in South Dakota. John Martinez is the treasurer of TREA Chapter 29 in Rapid City with about 550 members. John is originally from East Los Angeles and spent 26 years in the U.S. Air Force. He started out as a communication specialist. Later, he served in the Vietnam era and then spent many years serving in the NATO Nations.
Keep I just reorganized the article, added a source, and an infobox. I placed all the above sources into external links. What this needs is some attention. I suggest that someone take some time and flesh out the history section, and something on the services they provide. --
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Non-notable businessperson. Despite the refbombing, all of the refs are not beyond a trivial mention, not in independent, reliable sources, and/or simply spam refs. My attempts to find actual RS coverage didn't come up with much.
Delete No evidence in article or in searches of passing GNG or any applicable SNG. What references that do exist which are significant are either not reliable or not independent and vice-versa.
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This article was recently blanked-and-redirected without discussion on its talk page. I have reverted that edit and am opening a discussion about it instead.
A.D.Hope (
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15:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The proper place for that discussion would be on the other editor's talk page, or the talk page of the list. Why did you invoke deletion processes, when you do not seem to be advocating for deletion? I think speedy keep is appropriate. postdlf (talk)
16:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Regarding that redirection (by someone other than the nominator), this page is about the titles held by the monarch over time, which has changed; that editor tried to redirect to just the titles held by the current monarch, Elizabeth II, which would of course not be correct. postdlf (talk)
22:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
KEEP Perfect valid list article, listing a notable subject and aiding in navigation by grouping a lot of related articles.
DreamFocus17:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
But that’s not the same precise topic; how the monarch is to be addressed (“style”) does not include listing every title that monarch holds. You had also tried redirecting this list, which covers the titles and honours held over history, to a page that is just about what is held by the current monarch. So you’ve seemed confused (or indifferent) as to the intended scope. postdlf (talk)
14:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Don't tell me about my own edits or the scope of my knowledge. I'm more aware of them than you are, so retorting them back to me and calling me confused is clearly only meant to be aggressive and uncivil.
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No reason that this needs to be a stand-alone list. Absolutely falls under
WP:IINFO. No references that show that it's a notable topic in its own right.
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15:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge no reason to have a stand-alone list at this time. I have no objection to leaving a re-direct (It's not like it would need to be replaced or get confused by an article about the "other" List of Old Dominion Monarchs in the NFL Draft --
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Merge per Muboshgu, with no prejudice against recreation if and when there are enough list items to justify the recreation of a separate list article.
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paid for spam sourced to unreliable tabloids, outside of the one okay source (The Telegraph) which looks just like a puffy "feel good" piece
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I maintain a custom Google search engine of visual art sources, which had very little on this artist. Her S'Aline's Solution appears to have a fair amount of coverage, though, and could probably support an article. It was addressed in
a popular essay by Valerie Hartouni in the 1998 book The Visible Woman, which in turn was covered in book reviews and other mentions. Essay first published
1992,
1997. An
intro to an interview and more short treatments of the work:
[16][17][18] Apart from that work, would need to look for more offline sources on the artist. Also known as
Aline Mayer. (not
watching, please {{ping}}) czar22:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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The notability is dubious. Two reliable sources mention the subject very briefly and another one is an interview with the subject. All the other sources are self-published by the subject and their existence doesn't establish notability. The only notable event here could be covered by the
WP:SINGLEEVENT policy, and there is no article about the event, and probably shouldn't be.
Amir E. Aharoni (
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08:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Extensively and reliably sourced. Coverage in
WP:RS extends well past the government office bombing, so
WP:SINGLEEVENT doesn't apply. None of the sources used here are self-published; Bartetzko's book is listed but isn't used as a source. This could probably be expanded even further (it took me only a few seconds to find an extensive
Deutsche Welle article).
Amanuensis Balkanicus (
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22:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. Sufficient reliable sources - though only just enough - to meet WP criteria. The
BBC News and
Deutsche Welle articles are particularly persuasive. Further, there are a couple of other Deutsche Welle articles on the guy not cited in the article (though some are translations of the same article).
Fiachra10003 (
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12:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Would it not be better to create
2001 Pristina car bombing, merge the contents of this article into that, and subsequently add more detail about the bombing, beyond simply his involvement? Per
WP:PERP, it strikes me the article should be about the incident, not him, seeing as that's really what he's notable for. A
brief looksuggestssufficientsourcesexist - and these are only English language ones I'm looking at.
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Delete Eleven years of collecting tags on Wikipedia seems to be about the most notable thing this has got going for it.
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06:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
E-learning is an interactive learning system with a computer through Internet connection. The retrieval of book details by e-learning users is generally difficult, since those data are structured. The structured data face the challenging issues in retrieval process. The schema of the data is not known to the user in order to query, which is also user friendly to the end users. Here E-Iearning materials may be schema-free or poorly-schematized. In this proposed work, a graphical query formulation language, called MashQL, is used in order to easily query structured data in E-Iearning application. Even, when the end users have limited technical background they can query and explore multiple data sources. This is the main significance of MashQL. This work aims in introducing semantic keyword search to retrieve the structured data.
The remarkable success of Yahoo Pipes (Jarrar & Dikaiakos, 2008, Le Phuoc, Polleres, Morbidoni, Hauswirth, & Tummarello, 2009) in regard to other mashup editors motivated Jarrar et al (Jarrar & Dikaiakos, 2008) to propose MashQL, an interactive query formulation language. The idea of combining different data sources into mashups, in a graphical and user-friendly way without having to write code, as proposed by Yahoo Pipes application, was adopted by the inspirators of MashQL. So, the goal of MashQL is to enable non-experienced end-users to create their data mashups diagrammatically.
The main assumptions that have been made are that Internet is supposed to be a database and each internet data source is seen as a table and represented in RDF. Next, a mashup is considered as a query on these tables and the query is expressed by SPARQL. The novelty of MashQL is that no knowledge about RDF/SPARQL technologies nor any prior understanding of the schema or the structure of the consumed source are required in order to create the mashup.
In this paper we refer the method to retrieve the web data in structured format using MashQL approach with the help of SPARQL language which allows user to query, navigate, and mash-up a data source(s) without knowing schema and how the data is stored into the database. Assuming web data as input in RDF format used to represent the metadata of the Web applications in structured manner. We can query by using SPARQL language which is the recent recommendation by the W3C.
By using this approach we mentioned how user having less technical knowledge is able to retrieve the data in structured format using drop down operations and interactive methods. We mentioned that how retrieval results will be faster by providing keyword search and then use MashQL approach. We also mentioned an aggregate function (e.g. sum, avg, max etc) in MashQL so user can perform a calculation on a set of values and return a single value.
This tool enables users to exploit the benefits of Web of Data without prior knowledge of semantic web technologies such as RDF and SPARQL. By using the query-by diagram paradigm, it allows users to query and mash up a massive amount of structured data on the web intuitively.
The core element of MashQL system is a visual editor that processes the input data and generate the required output. Here, the users merely choose the attributes of input concepts that should appear in the widgets output. It also enables the users to filter data with some arithmetic and relational operators for string and numeric attributes. The widget output can then be piped as a new input for other MashQL widgets and mashed up with other data inputs as shown in Fig. 4. The system then translates this process into a SPARQL query which is transparent to the users.
Interesting refs Cunard has turned up. I couldn’t find those at all on a
WP:BEFORE, but I had not considered that more scholarly material might exist. I have stricken my delete !vote for now, and may consider a keep !vote upon further review.
Red Phoenixtalk13:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge to
SPARQ per above. Coverage does NOT warrant an independent article. If in doubt, it has less than 1 view per day and has been tagged for a number of years. ≫
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Keep because, as noted amongst sources like
this, it was
notable as both a suicide attack in terms of intensity, and as an attack on the office of a
federal parliament member. A terror incident like this causing eight casualties anywhere else in the world would be recorded similarly on Wikipedia. Mar4d (
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References included in article are either dead urls or so generic as not to be ascertainable whether they support article material or not, and thus entire article appears to be based on original research and opinion. No encyclopedic material is included in the article and thus it is of such low quality that it should be deleted.
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23:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Userfy or Draftify. Obviously, in its current state with essentially no references whatsoever the article should not be live. However, the topic would seem notable and the content of the article seems useful, it just needs to be supported by reliable sources, which is why I think that the article should be either draftified or userfied to give it time to develop.
Zoozaz1 (
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Draftify We have a number of country-based ‘Childbirth in X’ articles that are well written and well sourced, but this isn’t one of them.
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Article was recreated after last deletion in 2019. Though this iteration has more sources, I still don't see any that clearly meet
reliable sources for indie/altenative music (as a fan of this genre of music, I'm aware of the most prominent sources for it) other than the AllMusic entry. The rest seem to be coming from obscure blogs and sites that solicit press releases; examples include
[19],
[20],
[21]. Though the creator denies a
WP:COIhere, nearly all of their contributions have been centered on Bradford, including a film he made (deleted via Afd
here), and a company he was a part of (speedied
here). There's also
this which I'm not sure what to make of. OhNoitsJamieTalk23:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC) (reply
Delete per nomination and the previous one. Vast majority of sources are primary/unreliable, combined with COI concerns, deletion seems to be the best option.
WhinyTheYounger (
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15:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep The article remained for five years with no contest. There are other articles about artists (example:
Paul The Trombonist) that have been created in similar fashion as the subject of this article, with legitimate sources and a user who created the article for that person and not much else. Instead of deletion, move it to draft and continue improving. The person is legitimate, as are the sources. In looking into things further, even though some sources pulled information from a bio, there are completely strong and independent publications with good information that is verifiable. The entry has withstood For five years without an issue. Let it be moved to draft and continued to be worked on, perhaps with more contributors, and let us reach an agreement (in a nicer way than what has been happening).
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Comment Only calling attention to it (and it was done prior to my comment here, so to be correct here: I called attention to it, then came here to discuss and my considerations unfolded afterwards), as this one was also placed into the same category, in your opinion. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will get deleted, just that it might be worth taking a look at, and since there are similarities, maybe both should be improved and revisited. It would be fair, would it not? We're all here trying to add value, not take it away. There is, and never has been, anything done here to warrant the aggressive response or a reason to not be nice. It seems like we should take some consideration and pump the brakes, so to speak. Constructive vs. Destructive. Thanks.
THBAO (
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22:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep -
THBAO asked me to take a look at this as a fresh set of eyes as I’d deprodded
Paul The Trombonist. Those of you who have seen my AFDs will know I’m not an inclusionist by default, but there is a case here. The sources by PopMatters, Niji magazine and the staff-authored bio from AllMusic are all appropriate sources for this article. There are a lot of poor quality sources which I would like to see taken out, but this does not mean the subject isn’t notable.Cardiffbear88 (
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17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
*Delete I disagree with what you cited as being evidence of notable source coverage. PopMatters and Niji are basic new release announcements/video posts with obligatory editorial culled from promotional hype verbiage. As of 2020 such stuff is run-of-the-mill. AllMusic is--as ever--problematic on a case by case basis. If ever there is evidence of why staff bylines at AllMusic are not necessarily the indicator of editorial oversight, please note that this one is simply a verbatim cut and paste of his bio from his own website. As others have stated, there is no significant coverage for this subject, merely verification of his existence.
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22:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Preferably speedy as a purely promotional repost. Differences between this an the deleted version are superficial. If not speedy the regular deletion as non notable, as at last afd. Wikipedia is not here for promotion. Coverage is lacking. Maybe good, popmatters and a very short allmusic. That's it and that's not enough. The Niji source mentioned above is clearly not an independent reliable source. Pure pr. Aside from being obviously so from reading it it contains the same crufty wording as found elsewhere. Google the wanky pr "great fortune of consulting with award-winning artist development coach" And you get Apple Music and YouTube bios.
duffbeerforme (
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23:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete having reflected on this I’ve struck my vote above. The AllMusic biog is particularly concerning as this is an argument that I see time and again at AFD as a barometer of notability. Is there anyway of adding this intel to the list of
WP:RS?
Cardiffbear88 (
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07:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Upon adding further improvements and continued searches for archival footage from news orgs, I propose having this article moved back into draft form. The article has been cleaned up considerably, dead links recovered, and new sources added (Muck Rack and The Next Web to support journalism fork in career section). More sources will continue to be added. AllMusic is a legitimate source with independent writers and editorial processes. With regards to the claim that the bio as written on AllMusic was taken verbatim from the subject's website, I disagree based on date-stamps found on Internet Archive. November 5, 2016 was the first occurrence of the AllMusic bio found
here. It wasn't until January 17, 2017 that the bio appeared on the subject's website and was attributed to AllMusic
here. There just appears to be a mixup in judging of the reliability based upon that and this clears up the chronological error. Again, let us consider that there is a case here and that this article can continue to be improved upon, whether in it's current state or in draft. Thank you
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Comment the way that the page has been edited, I can see why it has been nominated for deletion. The idea for the disambiguation page came out of a discussion where someone thought that the page should be renamed
Black Lives Matter (social movement) to distinguish it from the website and organization with the formal name Black Lives Matter. And it is also a bit confusing that there is a similar
Movement for Black Lives.
I made some edits
here. See what you think. I won't vote to oppose the deletion of the disambig page, but I think it would be nice to keep it because of the 1) social movement, 2) organization of the same name, and 3) similarly named
Movement for Black Lives.–
CaroleHenson (
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07:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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CaroleHenson: If the movement and organization were deemed better as separate standlaone pages, then a dab might make sense (if a
WP:HATNOTE wasn't sufficient) since they would be ambiguous. If the topics remain on the same page, the
Black Lives Matter page's lead and table of contents should make it obvious to the reader and easy to navigate; it's not the role of a dab to compensate for a disorganized primary topic page. Regards.—
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Poorly sourced non-notable vocal coach. The article mentions having worked with "many charting artists and West End and touring shows", but fails to provide any examples. I have tried searching the article's sources, but none can be found there either. The first line of the article mentions research notability, but the source links to the homepage of a website which makes no mention of the subject or his research. The article successfully cites his contributions to published research books on vocal artistry, but I do not believe these meet the
WP:N or
WP:ACADEMIC criteria.
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The result was no consensus. The coverage is certainly significant, so the question is whether the book is considered independent; it has not been satisfactorily answered.
King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠05:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:GNG requires If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content."WP:NRIVALRY states "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable." and defers to GNG.
The article is unsourced with only a single pseudo citation present and has been tagged as such with NOT since Aug 2018. The football series dates to 1881-1911. The men's basketball series dates to 1903-1912, which briefly resumed in 2011-2012.
UW Dawgs (
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20:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm still not sure it's notable. The article needs a lot of work, I'm not usually a huge fan but
WP:TNT may apply. If we can have enough sources documenting an actual rivalry, rather than a series of games played by local teams, I could be persuaded to change my mind. ~EDDY(
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15:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep It is probably one of the most well documented and researched rivalries of the early 20th century. Anybody that says that Transylvania and UK were not a rivalry should read "Before Big Blue" by Gregory Ken Stanley.
[22] The book is about the founding of the University of Kentucky's athletic teams. The book goes into great detail about the rivalry for about 10 to 20 pages. This rivalry was very intense, including in 1911 when it almost caused a riot in Lexington when the Transylvania students marched on UK campus dressed in nightshirts and caring clubs. Other games include the 1903 (Ringer Game) substitution game scandal and several Thanksgiving Day games, where the gate receipt was so large it kept UK athletic department from going bankrupt. When they started playing basketball again in 2011, there were articles about the rivalry written including this one from the Lexington Herald Ledger
[23] Also, this is not just a cross-town rivalry but a sibling rivalry since Kentucky began as the A&M Extention of Transylvania.
09er (
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23:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)reply
What's interesting though is that all of those sources are modern - I've just looked up the Courier-Journal article on the 1911 riot and while there's decent game coverage, most of the hits for "rivalry" were from two teams in Georgia. The name appears modern as well with no hits apart from a recent exhibition basketball match.
SportingFlyerT·C23:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I mean, it poses an interesting question: could something that was clearly contentious, but not really described as a rivalry at the time (there were a couple mentions I found, but I found more mentions of the Transylvania/Central rivalry) be considered one 100 years later? I expanded my search for "Battle on Broadway" and I can't find any sources at all which describes it as the "Battle on Broadway" until 2012 (the documentary, everything else is from 2018.) (Now, the Lexington newspaper doesn't appear to be on Newspapers.com, but I still don't think the rivalry itself to be notable.)
SportingFlyerT·C01:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
I have done a lot of editing of coaches and players of the early years of college football. Searching the web to find information and sources about this era can be tough. Sometimes it seems like nothing existed before the year 2000. Sometimes It feels like some of the well known all-American football players really didn't exist. Sites like Newspaper.com have made it a lot easier, but it has a limited number of papers. Looking at the list of footnotes the chapter in "Before Big Blue," where most of the information about the rivalry is, the author cites a lot on articles from the Lexington Herald. One thing that may help your research may be the names of the schools. During the majority of the early days, Transylvania was called Kentucky University, and the University of Kentucky was known as Kentucky State College. I agree with you that "Battle On Broadway" is probably a new name since it is not called that in "Before Big Blue." If the consensus is to keep, I am going try to update to a more acceptable level.
09er (
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02:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Do you think you could add some sourcing from the book, 09er? I find your argument compelling, but am concerned there are no in-line citations to support GNG.
Rikster2 (
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12:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. The fact that it is not a rivalry today, or that the schools now play in different divisions, is irrelevant as this article pertains to a historic rivalry that existed more than 100 years ago. Very few rivalries are historic enough to have a documentary film made about them. The documentary plus the "Before Big Blue" book (09er's assertions accepted in good faith) are sufficient to pass the
WP:GNG bar.
Cbl62 (
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20:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks, SF. The lack of independence is obviously significant. Also, I watched most of it and it doesn't even mention football so far as I watched. Switching to neutral for now. If 09er can present some of the independent sourcing from "Before Big Blue" to satisfy
WP:GNG, I'd be willing to restore my keep vote.
Cbl62 (
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18:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Cbl62: The problem is that the "Before Big Blue" book appears to be self-published by the University of Kentucky, so I'm not really sure that's an independent source for GNG purposes, either. As far as the article itself, see
my comment from back in 2015 in a discussion about it. Everything I said there pretty much holds true today.
Ejgreen77 (
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05:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Cheers. I'm convinced there's a place in the encyclopaedia somewhere for this, but I'm not yet convinced it merits its own article. However stuff like
[26] "Bad feeling has always existed to some extent between the two colleges" is helpful.
SportingFlyerT·C18:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Tomorrow I am going to start updating the article and adding in-line citations from the book and a few other sources. It may take me a week or two since I am swamped right now.
09er (
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20:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
It probably makes sense to hold this AfD open for another week or so to allow 09er a bit more time to add the sources he mentioned above.
Cbl62 (
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20:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Cbl62:@
Ejgreen77: The University Press of Kentucky is not part of the University of Kentucky. It is a "Scholarly publisher for the Commonwealth" See info page of the book. It publishes a wide range of subjects related to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. It is a non-profit organization paid for by the Clark Foundation. See link
[27] It does work with every significant University in Kentucky (nine public and five private) as well as several historical societies. The University of Louisville and Western Kentucky, etc. are part of the consortium. Just like most university presses, an individual must submit academic research. If it meets its standards and mission, it could be published but not garateed. "Before Big Blue" was originally a dissertation for Ph.D. So actual academic research, not self-promotion. The Two chapters where most of the Rivalry information is found have 106 footnotes referring to lots of Newspapers (around 70 different articles), Meeting Minutes, Books and Reprorts)
[28]09er (
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16:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Notability aside, that's about as dependent a page as I've seen on a single source in quite some time. I remain unsure whether this is better covered in season articles.
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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by MelanieN, CSD G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion.
Malcolmxl5 (
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12:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The sources are all paid and among the sponsored one either they are from wire service or by news agencies which makes the page promotional, seems to be the case of COI too.
Dtt1 (
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07:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as per G4. Not a single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability. Rungkip above is an SPA with 15 edits in total including the creation of the article in question. Highly unlikely to be a newbie although clearly hasn't read
WP:NCORP and possible undeclared COI.
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Despite passing on
WP:NFOOTY, their is a lack of sources that it will be able to be justified passing
WP:GNG with most of the references being about the loan from Bolton which would be routine stuff.
HawkAussie (
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06:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - meets NFOOTBALL with professional appearances in 2 leagues, and has ingoing non-league career. Needs improving, not deleting.
GiantSnowman11:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep There are major weaknesses with the article,
WP:GNG is not really passable at the moment as sources are
WP:ROUTINE. He is only 21, and passes
WP:NFOOTBALL, but his career is still on going, if it was finished then I might of gone with delete.
Govvy (
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18:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - Passes NFOOTY with appearances for two different teams. There's a bit of English coverage ... and some more in Farsi - none of which quite meets GNG, but enough to detail his career.
Nfitz (
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22:15, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete As it stands, he unfortunately fails
WP:GNG as mentioned above after a source review. His
WP:NFOOTY pass is marginal - two games in two leagues, and he was subbed on in both, and according to Soccerway played a total of eight combined minutes. While we typically keep young players whose career is ongoing, he's currently playing in Tier 8, four below any NFOOTY-qualifying English division. If I'm mistaken on the source review, please ping me with the GNG-satisfying coverage.
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Other than running for the Singapore Parliament for two occasions, there are no other notable achievements of note in the content, being a lawyer isn't notable; being a secretary of a sub group in a party isn't notable. I don't see other activities on the page that are notable. Thus may not pass
WP:GNG,
WP:NPOL. A redirection to
2020 Singapore general election should be done given that the person in question is running for it per
WP:POLOUTCOMES, however, the editor who started this page had reverted the redirection. The editor had yet to answer satisfactory in the Talk page as to why this article should remain.
– robertsky (
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06:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
She's leading a team (
1,
2) to contest in a GRC which has been described by the media and analysts as one of the hottest battlegrounds
(3), one of the most watched seats
(4) etc., indicating the strong media attention on the candidates contesting there.
A google search on her English and Chinese name churns up a handful of standalone articles on her by mainstream media in Singapore including one-to-one interviews, justifying her notability
Member of the 2nd best-performing GRC team put forth by an opposition party at the
2015 elections.
As I've mentioned in the article's talkpage, the media acknowledged her online buzz and even compared her to
Nicole Seah, a popular politician who once was the 2nd most followed Singaporean politician on social media, and who has a mid-importance, b-class rated article here on Wikipedia.
Exco member and secretary of the party's youth wing and the appointment of positions in this exco have been given due importance and reported by the media (
5,
6)
I suppose the reasons, explanations and citations given above should suffice and establish her notability. I might include these content in the article when the Afd tag is taken off but I had actually meant to create a stub and putting all the details above into proper sentences and expanding the article is rather time-consuming. Will see how this goes. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Cenderpede (
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13:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Leading a team doesn't say anything much. There are 17 GRCs, 35 team leaders. There are other hotly contested areas as well. But what has she said or done to differentiate herself from the rest?
The standalone articles are mostly a consequence of the current election. Almost every, if not all, candidates have various degrees of press coverage.
Again, what had she done then to make herself stand out from the 2015 team?
On Nicole Seah, notability is not inheritable. Nicole Seah is Nicole Seah, He Ting Ru is He Ting Ru. Can He Ting Ru be notable without the comparison? See
WP:NOTINHERITED. Also for Nicole Seah, press coverage on her was sustained in between elections, be it good or bad. What about Ting Ru? Was there coverage between 2015 and 2020 that stuck?
On the Youth Wing, the notability of the organisation in
its own Wikipedia article is in question. That aside, personally I have yet to see the impact of WP's Youth Wing in the society, unlike YPAP, which by grace of its parent organisation mostly, is more visible. Again, what had she done to impact the society through her appointment? Nothing is detailed there. Having an appointment of a subsidiary group, with questionable notability here, may not be as notable as you think.
Look, if you think Ting Ru is notable, you may want to establish the notability behind the impact of her actions through her appointments. i.e. "During her appointment as a Youth Wing secretary, she was instrumental in laying out XYZ policies was later adopted at a a higher level/beyond the party". (Of course, such assertions need to be backed by verifiable sources.) As it stands now, the article or your reasonings here have nothing to dissuade me from
withdrawing this AfD.
– robertsky (
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05:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
There are in fact only three to four hotly contested areas this time round and it is clear that her being highlighted by the media by leading a team there establishes her notability per say
Not really, they are only a handful of candidates who have had one-to-one interviews with the media and we know we can count the number of mainstream media outlets in Singapore with just both hands. Interviews indicate significant press coverage.
You might want to read again what I have written earlier.
Nicole Seah had roughly a 9-year hiatus in betweeen, has not yet been elected and not exactly notable in her work field either and yet she has an article here. Same goes to
Jamus Lim, not exactly a well-known figure in his work field and also a fresh face contesting for the first time. So talk about double standards much?
It's reported by the media which means they recognize the functions and importance of the division.
As I've stated, it's too time-consuming to include that many details and this article is meant to be a STUB. On the other hand, it's quite noticeable that there a number of civil servants and close associates of a certain party in Singapore who are contributing here on Wikipedia on a long-standing basis and are sometimes contributing content which are much privy to the man in the street, such as
this candidate who was brought by Justanothersgwikieditor. So maybe you would like to disclose your affilations and occupation to ensure that your views are not skewed? --
Cenderpede (
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15:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nicole Seah's article had an
AfD and survived. That's the difference. As for
Jamus Lim, feel free to open an AfD if you feel so. Personally, I have not done so because I have yet to participate in an AfD which involves
WP:PROF guidelines, which I suspect other editors may use it in addition to
WP:NPOL, to argue for and against deletion.
As it stands, the not-so-stubby stub here has yet to establish the notability. I can empathise with you on the time consuming portion as I am working on updating other BLPs at the moment, but that's not a reason not to expand the article to establish the notability (I have hinted at withdrawing the AfD, but you got to give me something solid in the article). I have already out myself by virtue of having my social network accounts on my user page. (Note, other editors may take it less kindly on the request to out oneself.) I have neither the party affiliations nor employed in positions that would skew my views. My conflict(s) of interest here on Wikipedia is also declared on my user page, which would also not skew my views. I am no privy to any intrinsic details on any of the candidates or parties. If you had gone through my contribution history, I applied the same treatment on many of the other non-notable yet-to-be elected candidates (be it PAP, WP, PV, etc), to either redirect back to
2020 Singaporean general election or move to the draftspace. This AfD was opened after you had reverted an earlier redirection, and I presumed that you wouldn't have taken kindly to a move to the draftspace. As for Shawn Huang Wei Zhong, the page creator wasn't
User:Justanothersgwikieditor, but
User:Thang324 who had been warned for
WP:COI. You can check the page history on this. In fact, I think
User:Justanothersgwikieditor has been one of the other editors who have been redirecting other non-notable yet-to-be elected candidates as well.
– robertsky (
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18:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Why is COI important in an AfD? The arguments for and against an AfD discussion are taken in its merit and if a COI editor gives a poor argument, it will be given lesser weight based on the argument and not on their COI. Anyway, I declare I do not have a COI (no affiliation with any political parties, be it paid, voluntary or what so ever and nor have I worked in any civil sector agencies). As per what robertsky said, see my redirects
1(WP),
2(WP),
3(NSP),
4(PAP) and talkpage discussion with a PAPaffiliated COI editor about the editor's COI
issue. Also, @
Cenderpede: please declare any COI you might have. --
Justanothersgwikieditor (
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01:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete unelected candidate, not a notable politician, not otherwise notable. The gender issues with the article are a bit disorientating, though this has nothing to do with the delete !vote.
SportingFlyerT·C20:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment
@
Robertsky: I have added my replies next to your comments.
@
SportingFlyer: I find the gender nouns somewhat confusing as well as I was creating the article but it's a non-issue. I actually hope you had taken the time to read through my reasons stated above, rather than brushing it off with one-liners such as oh "she's not elected and therefore not notable", as it is rather discouraging to editors who took time and effort in creating and contributing relevant, neutral and balanced articles on Wikipedia. Heck, I've spent such an amount of time providing sources/citations and explanations on here when time could have been better spent on improving other articles...
Additional inputs from other editors who are balanced and neutral and also who have a fair knowledge of the subject in Singapore are much welcomed and appreciated.
Cenderpede (
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15:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The person simply is not eligible for a Wikipedia article at this time. I'm not trying to discourage you. It's not great getting an article deleted, but we do have notability guidelines, and this person does not pass them.
SportingFlyerT·C17:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Snow keep in light of their win. She is now an MP-elect and will be sworn into office pretty soon. Nom should have held their horses before nomming
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The result was keep. While this article seems in need of improvement, and might be eligible to be merged/converted into a template,there is general consensus that it satisifies our guidelines for being a standalone list.
Barkeep49 (
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02:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
This article is unsourced and the article specifically says "Please note that UNESCO does not endorse this classification by religion..." indicating that we'll never have official sources for classifying sites by religion making this no better than a collection of opinions. Since some of the sites have been used by multiple faiths at various times, may still be used by various faiths today, may include secular buildings and may not be used by any faith at the present, inclusion is arbitrary.
Tobyc75 (
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13:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, in theory. Only the "Protestant" sites present a problem - mostly built as Catholic, & Anglicans (at least on WP) resile from the P word. Merge with the Catholics as "Western Christian churches" & I think this are ok. It is useful to have Buddhist sites collected etc. Note this was started
after a Cfd discussion.
Johnbod (
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02:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete part of nom is incorrect as wp:lstn says that list subject only has to be notable, and therefore items on list don't need to be referenced to show notability. However as pointed out by Northamerica, it is impossible to list by religion as many sites have been claimed. We already have a list of Unesco World heritage sites so why this?
Davidstewartharvey (
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09:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep and rename to make the scope clearer. This is largely a list of World Heritage Sites which are places of worship, grouped by religion (or at least current religion in a few cases). There are a few more tenuous ones (e.g. a town which has some churches in it), but there's only a few of those and it's not a big deal to get rid of them. Grouping WHS by type seems like a valid, encyclopedic categorisation to me and evidently a lot of them are places of worship. I don't see why UNESCO publishing a list of this type is a prerequisite for us doing so. Hut 8.512:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
But not all the sites on this list are currently places of worship. For example, one of the first on the Catholic list:
Lorsch Abbey was destroyed during the 30 Years War while briefly Protestant. The LEDE says "...most recent affiliation" so was Lorsch Abbey Catholic or Protestant or is it neither since it was destroyed almost four centuries ago? A number of these sites are a mixture of religious and secular sites. Why is
Sassi di Matera included on the list when other towns which also include churches are not? Is it because the name of the site includes the word church? How many churches need to belong to a combined site to make it belong to a list. What if a combined site includes churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc? Then which religion does it belong to? If there is no verifiable criteria to tell if something belongs in the list, then it's just up to my and your opinions as to what belongs on the list and that is opposed to the idea of something being Verifiable.
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15:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep If the sources identify the religion and confirm the site is part of world heritage sites then the inclusion of entries is justified.
NavjotSR (
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05:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments: I do not think a site has to be limited to "place of worship" as that is not the limited scope of the title. Mount Wutai (in China) is considered a sacred Buddhist site. The mountain has 53 monasteries. I am not against such a list as an aid to navigation but wonder if being included in a template would be a better aid, especially if the country was included so it could be clicked offering a reorganization by country? --
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This one is heavily masked in searching by the other Sunnyslope, which is a CDP in a different county. But as far as I can determine, this was actually the Sunnyslope Avocado Nursery: every clear hit on the name in Butte County is for this defunct enterprise. GMaps places the
Fair View Ranch at this location, which I can find nothing about other than the linked website. There are various houses and buildings about but it's hard to say whether they consistute a single enterprise. What I cannot find is the slightest indication, beyond GNIS, that anyone considers this a "community".
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13:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep - A
heartwarming story published in the Oroville Mercury-Register entitled "When the City Girl Met the Country School" wrote:
Until the summer of my thirteenth year I lived in Los Angeles, where a classroom consisted of 35 children all the same age and grade. Then suddenly that summer of 1947, my parents sold our house and moved us to the suburbs. Not the suburbs of Los Angeles, mind you, where the population was one and a half million people, but to the suburbs of Bangor, population 300. That suburb was a little-known place off La Porte Road, in the south-eastern boonies of Butte County called "Sunnyslope," population too small to count.
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Very borderline, but I think this doesn't meet
WP:GNG and definitely doesn't meet
WP:GEOFEAT. I've added what I can but it has no official historic status and the refs I could find were just list mentions.
Boleyn (
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05:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge/Redirect to
List of covered bridges in Indiana. The "Location" section which takes up most of the article is unhelpful original research and would be better if it was just a set of coordinates. In general, bridge articles that consist primarily of location and specification data are better covered as part of a list. –
dlthewave☎18:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge as above. Note I did not say just redirect because the article has sources for the info in the list article that is unsourced there, so there should be a minimal merge to keep the sources.
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wavering delete It seems to be a possible syndrome or part of other behaviour syndromes. Research gate and British Journal have said that it may or not be! Case of wp:too soon.
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20:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. Contrary to the nom's claim, the previous deletion was carried out (
log entry). A new article bearing no resemblance to the deleted page was created about a year later.
SpinningSpark01:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. The first AFD did not have particular "good arguement for deletion". The nom was based on two things. Firstly that "only" three papers not by Somer had been published. Well, three independent, in depth sources would normally be enough for us, so I'm not seeing the policy-based rationale there. Three years on I'm seeing a lot more than three papers besides the continuing highly productive Somer and his acolytes. They include
this overview paper debating whether or not the disorder is a real thing. a sure sign that the topic has become notable. The second rationale put forward, and being given another outing here, is that it is not a recognised diagnosis. While that should probably be given more prominence in the article than it currently has, it makes not the slightest difference to the notability of the subject. I would also raise the question; not recognised by who? It probably just means that it's not recognised for the purpose of medical insurance claims in the US, rather than the medical profession consider it quackery. It certainly seems to be recognised by a growing band of practitioners.
SpinningSpark09:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I took it to mean not recognized by any psychiatric manual or professional organisation. It's not in the new ICD-11 for instance. APA and international equivalents don't recognize it, ie it's a proposed diagnosis.
Amousey(they/them pronouns)(talk)23:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep/merge Daydreaming being maladaptive is a matter of circumstance and degree. The issue seems to be a significant aspect of the main article on
daydreaming and it's not lcear that there's a need for a split yet. Anyway, there seems to be ample scope for development of the topic(s) and so deletion is not appropriate per
WP:ATD-M, &c. See Empirical Studies on Daydreaming for more details.
Andrew🐉(
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13:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. Medical conditions are not notable unless they receive broad coverage in the medical press. Looking at the appropriate sources in total there are 14 papers in medical journals. Of these the majority are related to E Somer, there seems to be a lack of independent medical coverage. There were no specific reviews on the topic by independent psychiatrists. As such this should not be considered a notable disorder. Without independent medical sources it is frankly impossible to judge its significance is there isn't independent medical evaluation. The very flowery language is a key indicator and immediately makes me find this wholly unconvincing. I would say that from reading the article a far more parsimonious explanation is that it's actually a dissociative disorder, and certainly the proposed symptoms appear to fit completely into that diagnosis.
PainProf (
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04:56, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
@
PainProf: Are you only looking at papers actually cited in the article, or have you looked elsewhere? I found numerous medical journal published papers that seem to be independent of Somer, and largely independent of each other
[29][30][31][32][33][34]. Also, I would count
this as a review paper. Wouldn't you? In any case, I can't agree with you that broad coverage in the medical press is required for notability (on Wikipedia) of a condition. Something can still be notable under GNG due to coverage outside of the medical press, for instance
this Wall Street Journal article, but I would agree that a lack of medical coverage would mean we should be cautious in how we cover it.
SpinningSpark11:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment I discounted the review as it isn't a peer reviewed journal it's an external newsletter (a fancy blog). The bar for medical sourcing is high. There are no medical sources here that aren't primary. This would be expected. This is routine coverage in the medical field and not a particularly large amount. We would therefore be left with no sources once we bring it to compliance. Non primary sources in academic journals and psychiatry journals would be expected of a notable diagnosis. It's possible it could be redirected to dissociation disorder (day dreaming being a mild form of dissociation) but I worry that's a point of view or to daydreaming if described as a largely cultural diagnosis rather than a medical diagnosis and provide links to dissociation disorder. Much of the rather turgid papers that Somers puts out are describing how it can't possibly be the same as dissociation disorder and is unique so it's possible the entire thing is a neologism created for notoriety. The newspaper articles largely rely on Somers and are not particularly independent. That it isn't recognised by DSM is a serious consideration as DSM is quite expansive. Overall I still can't see a viable path for improvement or general notability of the diagnosis. It
It shouldn't be necessary to split hairs with weak sourcing for medical articles. We could draftify it and if you can find sufficient medical sources then it could be moved back.
PainProf (
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14:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep the review article does it for me as far as GNG is concerned. However, I don't think that strict MEDRS is necessary in this case as it's not a recognized medical condition; the article can simply state that and rely on coverage from non-MEDRS compliant sources without misleading readers. (
t ·
c) buidhe13:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comments: How is MEDRS ("strict" or not)--- not applicable? The "condition" is posited as being a construct, uses the MDS- 16, Maladaptive Daydreaming Scale (revised MDS- 14), and is being pushed to be recognized. While it cannot be used as an "official" classification it is considered a "compulsive fantasy activity", a form of maladaptive behavior, which is a psychiatric condition or disorder, that is considered a form of mental illness. IF this subject is considered to fall within the criteria of "human health" it would seem it should absolutely fall under the criteria of MEDRS. --
Otr500 (
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11:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Sufficiently sourced, the condition is also mentioned in books -
[35][36]. The older AfD is not applicable to this version. However, it needs to be mentioned that it is not completely accepted as a true condition.
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Per
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:EVENTCRITERIA, I believe this incident is only one chapter of a larger event, which is the
COVID-19 pandemic in France. I'm not seeing anything here that would allow this incident to stand out as its own article. Therefore, I'd support a merge to the COVID-19 article for now. That article already has
its own section on the incident; I'd imagine the article as it is now can fit there.
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Yet another Medon-line/ex-NCORR station/siding, as Gudde agrees. This one has the slight novelty of a turning loop as well as the usual passing track, but there is no sign of a town and nobody claims there ever was one.
Mangoe (
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03:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. Who is Gudde? The article is supported by at least one rs, have you any sources that dispute that this is an unincorporated community? Obviously it looks like scrubland on satellite imagery but i can see at least one watering hole in the vicinity which may suggest a cow farmer lives nearby. *puts
crystal ball away*
Zindor (
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19:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
"Gudde" is the other "origin of California place names" source; Durham is the one the article author used for most of these. I cannot tell what Durham actually says about the place because I would need a text copy, which I do not have; GNIS is not a reliable source as to whether a place is a settlement (see
WP:GNIS for the gory details of that).
The larger picture is that when the
Nevada-California-Oregon Railway built a narrow gauge line up towards Oregon through this region, they had to put a station every so often for operational reasons, and all of those had to have names, again for operational reasons. Even it was only a passing siding, it still had to have a name. A few of these blossomed out into towns, but most did not, so sometimes there was a station building, and sometimes not; and eventually the line was abandoned and there was nothing at all except the scar of the old track ballast and very occasionally a foundation. But the USGS assiduously copied every railroad place name onto the topo maps, and the GNIS compilers equally assiduously collected them, but then categorized all of them as "populated places" without regard to whether there actually was anything other than a station or indeed whether there were any buildings at all. All of the authors on places in California cover all sorts of different places, so the mere mention of a name isn't sufficient to establish that the mentioned place was a town or the like, and as a rule we haven't considered railroad place names notable because they are so numerous and there is so little information about them other than the location. So a place like Sage Hen, with no apparent buildings and no direct testimony that it was a real town, doesn't pass
WP:GEOLAND.
Mangoe (
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20:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Given the limitations of the GNIS source as explained by the OP, and the illumination given by Gudde, it's evident that the article subject is not a populated place or significant structure and therefore fails notability criteria.
Zindor (
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23:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Just another rail siding. "Unincorporated community" is unsourced; even the questionable GNIS listing has it as a "populated place". –
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Delete we have seasons from other similar levels elsewhere, but the complete lack of sources means we can't keep this. I am not opposed to keeping if a properly sourced article can be created.
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Delete we have seasons from other similar levels elsewhere, but the complete lack of sources means we can't keep this. I am not opposed to keeping if a properly sourced article can be created.
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Delete we have seasons from other similar levels elsewhere, but the complete lack of sources means we can't keep this. I am not opposed to keeping if a properly sourced article can be created.
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Delete we have seasons from other similar levels elsewhere, but the complete lack of sources means we can't keep this. I am not opposed to keeping if a properly sourced article can be created.
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No substantiated claim to
notability. It does not appear to have hosted any major tournaments, have a design that is the subject of substantial independent criticism, and so on.
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This article relies on one source and by seeing its stub quality, it is barely notable. The HiMedic is better off being mentioned in the Toyota HiAce page.
U1quattroTALK02:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
My intention when I created the page was just to make it a simple disambiguation page to list the generations. Each generation pointed back to suitable generations of the
Toyota HiAce page. Kind of like the generational lists at
Toyota Sprinter and
Toyota Corolla. Disambiguation pages are not known for having lots of text and lots of references. This should have been non-contentious.
As for having a single source, it was only meant to be a list of generations, with the details on the HiAce page. However,
Ominae (
talk·contribs) has added more more references, so this point is invalid.
If you thought the page was a bit light on details and references, it would have far better to add tags requesting more details and references instead of trying to kill it at birth. Stepho talk12:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Stepho-wrs you could've classified it as a disambiguation page and not as a full on article because as an article it was poorly written and sourced. My intention for this discussion was to delete it due to the aforementioned reasons but since
Ominae has improved it, I'd take it down.
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Spiritual movement from India, article with promotional issues that most likely fails
WP:GNG. Received a trivial mention in
India Today Magazine (used as an inline reference in the article itself). The other inline reference links to a (dead) geocities site. The only other coverage in a reliable source I could find is in a short
Economic Times article.
Ealuscerwen (
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20:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
::Mind that this could probably have been
WP:SOFTDELETED, but
WP:ASSERTN is not a valid argument, and if it were the case then this would be a situation for speedy deletion and not AfD, though there is currently an assertion of notability in that "It is one of the many spiritual movements in India"...
RandomCanadian (
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contribs) 23:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)sock of banned user. Usedtobecool☎️07:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep As a massive failure of
WP:BEFORE. Searching for "jeevanvidya mission" on google news yields
1 (
Economic Times);
2 (about the death of the founder, but still mentioning the org.;
Zee News);
3 (DNAIndia, which is the same org as Zee News, but still independent from article subject). GNG met, easy keep.
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this article was nominated to AFD before but kept only basing on personal perception of the notability of the porn actor and on PORNBIO now deprecated. The source do not prove notability: 1) iafd is not reliable, 2) barely passing mention, 3) prize winner announcement (blog), 4)prize winner announcement, 5) prize winner announcement, 6) it's a mention. I couldn't find any source significant to prove notability.
AlejandroLeloirRey (
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22:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete without the specific notability criteria for pornographic performers there is no reason to keep this article on this specific pornographic performer.
John Pack Lambert (
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19:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as there is a lack of coverage in reliable sources so
WP:BASIC is not passed. Source searchers be aware that there are many people named Ricky Martinez, imv
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DK Eyewitness Books: Robot by Roger Bridgman, DK Publishing (2004),
page 30: "Today, events are organized by groups all over the world. Most follow rules laid down by the US Robot Fighting League."
Comment. I suspect this organisation no longer exists. Their former website is for sale, and the news items are largely local and around a year or so of their founding. They seem to have been intended as the recognised, or at least de facto, sport governing body, which got as far creating a set of rules, and then faded into history. Although the
RoboGames website says their rules are based on the RFL rules, they don't seem to be governed by them. My reading is they adopted the RFL rules when they came out, but since then have adapted them as required for their own purposes. The article is factually suspect in a number of ways, claiming things belonging to the RFL which are not supported in the sources. The bar chart showing number of sanctioned fights is cited to the RFL's website, but all archives of that page show only a list of the ten RFL member organisations
[37]. The RoboGames event in 2011 mentioned in the article as an RFL event does not have RFL mentioned anywhere in the reference. Likewise the claim that RFL put on more events than all other organisers put together is sourced to Botrank.com whose page does not even mention them. At the least, WP:OR is required to extract that information from the page.
They have clearly played a role in the history of the sport, but it seems to me that the page creator, with the best of intentions, has tried to build their importance into more than it actually was. So finally getting around to a recommendation, redirect to
robot combat and place any genuinely sourcable information there.
SpinningSpark19:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect if there is a volunteer to handle, otherwise redirect. My basis is the same as described by Spinningspark including that there is nothing in the article to even indicate if they exist.North8000 (
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Non notable film with no reputable 3rd party reviews. Claims of "award winning", but no citations found in a search to prove.Donaldd23 (
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15:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment While that may be true, citing IMDB for awards is disputed, see
Wikipedia:Citing IMDb. And, as you mentioned, they are obscure festivals. For all we know, they created the festivals themselves. I'm not saying that is true, but anyone can create an award and give it out.
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Comment Don't we generally keep high schools? This article is hampered by having most of its sources in Bengali. Current footnote five is not to an article, but to a newspaper search; however, listed in that search is a substantive article about this madrashere entitled "Honors courses were introduced in two madrasas simultaneously in Charfassion", which computer translated reads in part Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa Assistant Professor Maulana. Nurul Amin said that since its establishment, this madrasa has been playing a role in spreading religious education in the region. A new chapter in madrasa education has begun this year thanks to the efforts of MP Abdullah Al Islam Jacob, who is particularly fond of religious education and religious institutions. and This year, Fazil (BSS), Fazil (BA) and Kamil (MA) private examination opportunities, Kamil (MA) Department of Fiqh and Fazil Honors courses in Al-Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced at Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa. Besides, Fazil Honors course and Fazil BSS course on Al Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced in Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil (MA) Madrasa. I don't know what kind of madras "Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil" is, maybe for girls(?), but is seems to be in Charfassion as well. Someone who reads Bengali needs to check this out. The citation to Islamic Arabic University should really refer to
this document which is not machine translatable, but which I believe provides the schools charter. Without review by Bengali speakers, I think that it would be inappropriate to delete this article, especially given the acknowledged under-coverage of Asian topics. --
Bejnar (
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19:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Well, the nominator did not do a bood "BEFORE", because i9f he or she had followed the cited links they would have found some sources other than "passing mention or not related". I admit that the original editor did not cite properly, but that ny itself is not an excuse. --
Bejnar (
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23:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment We are moving away from generally keeping high schools. The old model was basically built on the assumption that any school that had averaged over 1000 students at a time over 20 years, or thus had in excess of 4000 total alumni would be notable. It was also somewhat built on the assumption local high school sports would get coverage. No one ever checked we could find idependet, indepth, reliable source coverage for every existing high school worldwide, and it was proposed by people who had not considered how many defunt high schools there are, how many rural high schools that are in a K-12 building with maybe 100 children in all grades, how many fly by night charter high schools there are, some also part of K-12 buildings, how many private high schools there are, some very small and with very short histories, and the last are way more common in some areas. We have come to realize there is no reason why institutions that educate should be given a special pass that treats them differently than insitutions that do other things. So we need sourcing on schools, not just special pleading.
John Pack Lambert (
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17:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Fails GNG, the sources are essentially forms of directory listings, mentioning the existence of the school or providing administrative details, but give no indication why this school might be notable. @
Bejnar: this might be of interest to you:
WP:SCHOOLRFC.--
Goldsztajn (
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20:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you @
Goldsztajn: for the reference, I appreciate it. Did you read, or read a translation of, the newspaper article? Did you look at the detail in what I called, but did not know, the charter document? Both od which are referred to by sources cited, but not directly cited by the original editor, whose citation skills are apparently quite weak. --
Bejnar (
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22:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)reply
As far as I can see none of the sources provide any indication as to what is notable about the school - the sources simply indicate the school exists and provide bureaucratic details. The Daily Inqilab is a reliable source, but the article is essentially a promotion and by itself does not confer notability. The Daily Ittefaq is also a reliable source, the article is simply conveying information regarding teachers being excluded from exam supervision (the implication is fraud, but not detailed). So there are two minor articles from reliable sources and some directory listings; this is simply not enough to demonstrate notability, which is why the article fails the GNG. --
Goldsztajn (
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21:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: Fails
WP:GNG and
WP:ORG. See
WP:NSCHOOL,
WP:ORGCRIT,
WP:SIRS, and
WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. When sources provide
trivial mention they are considered as acceptable for content while not necessarily advancing notability. Simply existing is not a criteria.
One source provided is an example (dailyinqilab). This does not provide
significant coverage no more than Paritosh Kumar Sarkar ("Hindu youth arrested for blasphemy on Facebook in Nageshwari, Kurigram") and the same with The Daily Ittefaq, that simply drops a name ("The exempted teachers and employees are: Char Fashion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa Principal..."). A source needs to provide evidence of notability with in-depth coverage of the subject.
Wikipedia:Notability (events)#Depth of coverage is applicable because such sources are actually about some other "event"[s] and are just passing mention of a name (the subject) within the context of some other coverage. --
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Delete. There's nothing to demonstrate notability, and both the band's official site and the fan site are defunct. Looks like they split up years ago without setting the world alight.
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Bubonic plague cases are not unheard of and occur commonly because of zoonotic transmission in certain parts of the world, every year. As is common for certain diseases, outbreaks are notified and pronounced by local
public health authorities. No reliable sources are provided to establish this as a notable outbreak. The notability of this outbreak is entirely derived from media reporting associated with disease outbreaks in the time of COVID. It should be deleted.
Tom (LT) (
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00:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete per the multiple valid reasons already given, and calling attention to the fact that this is occurring in multiple instances (creation of non-notable scare-mongering virus plague articles with poor and primary sourcing), due to COVID fallout.
SandyGeorgia (
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13:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete. As the cited Guardian reference and
this article by the BBC state, these isolated incidents are not uncommon and don't tend to become outbreaks. (If I end up being wrong about this and the herdsman turns out to be patient zero in the next pandemic, I want Eddie Redmayne to play me in the disaster movie.)
~dom Kaos~ (
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18:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Snow Close as Delete Now: i have no idea if this was created as a joke, or as a good faith reaction to the little clickbait media frenzy, but we don't need to discuss its merits any further.--Milowent • hasspoken17:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep/merge Whatever is happening on the ground, the news is certainly spreading fast, being covered by the
BBC;
NYT;
Imperial College; &c. If it's not a big deal then it is better to retain the topic and direct readers to appropriate detailed information rather than have them find that the page has been deleted so they start worrying about a cover-up and fill in the blanks themselves. See the
Streisand effect.
Andrew🐉(
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19:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
But
WP:NOT news and not a directory, and
WP:MEDRS for sourcing on biomedical health content (not laypress). We don't report every case of every disease everywhere in the world. It got news because of COVID fallout. Those who are "worried" can see that they need not worry in the very sources you cite.
SandyGeorgia (
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19:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
You make a good point about Facebook, but not our job (I don’t feel any better about people getting medical information from Wikipedia than I do about same from Facebook, we are equally likely to misreport) ... the other outbreak articles you link were actually outbreaks. This is one person, news hype. This case is not hard; having COVID hysteria spread NOTNEWS articles about every individual instance of every condition that gets publicity is the concern. We could add mentionmof this to a bubonic plague article, but for one case?
SandyGeorgia (
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21:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete as above. Cases of the Bubonic plague occur regularly, and a report of a single individual contracting it is a clear violation of
WP:NOTNEWS. It is also extremely doubtful that this case is or will be the only case this year, so the idea that this one case is referred to as "The Bubonic Plague of 2020", which is the whole basis on which this article was created, is absurd to the point of being completely nonsensical.
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I'm not sure the subject meets
WP:CRIMINAL. Although he seems to have plenty of coverage in reliable sources, most of it is from regional sources, and in relation to his non-notable crimes and death.
Adam9007 (
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00:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, does not fulfill either of the criteria mentioned in
WP:CRIMINAL. Is not "a renowned national or international figure" and the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is not "unusual". The same is true for his associate,
Paul Massey (gangster), which is currently not flagged for deletion, but could be deleted for the same reason. --
Reinoutr (
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11:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment His murder seems to be a key in taking down the
EncroChat network. This article provides context. References in the Kinsella and EncroChat articles attest that. Knowing who he was and who he was associated with, helps understanding the type of users that EncroChat had, that motivated a major police operation that led to hundreds of arrests.
Afrachel (
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15:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep per SFB, and especially per Afrachel on
EncroChat, which is a currently unfolding notable topic. John Kinsella's murder event is connected to early publicly attested mentions of EncroChat in reliable sources.
Salpynx (
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00:42, 10 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep as said above, his murder is relevant to the EncroChat investigation. The article provides context and is supported by both local and national news, including the BBC and The Times.
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Delete - Not sure if the nominator took action because the article has no references (if so, that's a violation of
WP:NEXIST) or because no references were found during a search. In any case, there is little media coverage of Mr. Lowry and his music, with the exception of a short local news report at
[38]. The only other sort-of in-depth coverage I could find is in a small community college newspaper at
[39]. Otherwise he is only present in the usual streaming and self-promotional services. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (
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Defunct heavy metal band, completely unsourced since 2009. Haven't been able to find any decent reliable-source coverage to demonstrate notability, and they don't seem to fulfil any of the criteria of
WP:BAND. ~
mazcatalk00:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete Absolutely non-notable band. Did not found anything besides streaming service links, databases and social media pages. How this article managed to stay here since 2009 with horrible "sourcing" like Myspace and IMDb baffles me.
GhostDestroyer100 (
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07:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: fails
WP:GNG and
WP:BAND. All major contributions to this article have been by the SPA editors Lux81 and Luke Hesse, with the photo supplied by Cont Luke, and I strongly suspect all three are the band's lead singer Luca Calegaro, considering the amount of original research and facts which clearly could only be known to someone personally acquainted with the band.
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