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The result was delete. Cabayi ( talk) 06:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This is not an encyclopedia article. Poor references, mostly primary sources. Fails WP:GNG. The subject of this article works organizations that do not have Wikipedia articles. P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 23:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to World War II German war crimes in the Soviet Union. (non-admin closure) BEAMALEXANDER25, talk 01:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:LISTN. The Nazis committed war crimes left and right in the USSR. There's no reason to single out the Battle of Moscow, especially since these incidents are relatively minor/small-scale, comparatively speaking. Clarityfiend ( talk) 23:37, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Please see a similar article that was also nominated for deletion by me that was kept. P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 23:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a rap musician, with no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no reliable sources. The strongest notability claim here is of the "got X number of views on an internet streaming platform" variety, which is no part of our notability criteria for musicians -- and across the board, the sources here are blogs, social media and streaming platforms, with not a single piece of real journalism in real media to support his notability. As always, no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he has a stronger notability claim and some legitimate sources to support it -- but right now, it's WP:TOOSOON. This is also a direct conflict of interest, if you compare the creator's username to the article subject's real name: see WP:AUTOBIO for why this is not acceptable. Bearcat ( talk) 23:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America 1000 03:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Promotional article. Having no encyclopedic value. Fails WP:GNG/ WP:NCORP. Hatchens ( talk) 06:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "Pramati Technologies Is Ready To Take On Goliath". InformationWeek. 2002-03-28. Retrieved 2020-06-21. {{ cite magazine}}: |archive-date= requires |archive-url= ( help)

      The article includes analysis from an analyst:

      In trying to break into the midmarket, Pramati will compete against some major high-tech companies, including Hewlett-Packard, which is giving away a basic version of its application server. "It's a small company that says they're going to compete on price, but how are you going to compete with IBM for example on price?" Illuminata analyst James Governor asks. "IBM could give it away until the cows come home." Pramati's success will depend on whether it can partner with large distributors and resellers and convince some major independent software vendors to bundle the application server with their products. In addition, Pramati's tools are going to have to be substantially easier to use, a challenge given the fact that J2EE is known as a difficult platform.

    2. Sangwan, Sujata (2017-06-07). "Pramati Technologies - Making Products and Delivering Services for Building the Agile Enterprise". Businessworld. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    3. Taft, Darryl K. (2002-03-18). "An Alternative App Server". eWeek. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    4. Rapoza, Jim (2004-02-16). "Pramati Eases Web App Development". eWeek. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    5. Khare, Ankit (2003-04-03). "Pramati Server 3.0". PCQuest. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    6. Khare, Ankit (2002-10-28). "Build Java Apps". PCQuest. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    7. Harbaugh, Logan (2002-04-25). "Does Pramati Server Live Up to Its Name?". Serverwatch.com. QuinStreet. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    8. Parthasarathy, Anand (2007-03-07). "Pramati Technologies 'marries' Web to desktop". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 2020-06-21. Retrieved 2020-06-21.
    9. Gajjala, Venkataramana (2006). "The Role of Information and Communication Technologies in Enhancing Processes of Entrepreneurship and Globalization in Indian Software Companies". The Electronic Journal of Information Systems in Developing Countries. 26 (1). Wiley: 12–13. doi: 10.1002/j.1681-4835.2006.tb00170.x.

      The article has a section titled "Pramati Technologies".

      The article notes:

      Pramati Technologies Private Limited (PTPL), one of the Red Herring 100 Private Companies of Asia, headquartered in Hyderabad, India was incorporated in 1998 with seed capital from the likes of Citigroup and Intel Capital. PTPL is a global provider of Java software development technology (an end-to-end Enterprise Java platform vendor) with offices in New York, San Jose, Hong Kong, Singapore and London. After winning some key customers in India it aggressively marketed its products – the Pramati Server 4.1 (an application server) and the Pramati Studio 3.5 (component development lifecycle tools) – to global companies like CitiGroup, Ericsson, and Standard Chartered Bank and ended up winning by being price-competitive and by providing inexpensive support. According to the company, “Pramati Server is the right choice for small-to-medium businesses and independent software vendors, who need fully standards compliant application server platform that provides classic enterprise-class features, scalability and performance demonstrated through industry-standard benchmarks”11: http://www.pramati.com/index.jsp?id=corporate

      The articles includes information from the founder.
    10. Shariff, Mohd (2007-04-16). "Software services: the next frontier". The Indian Express. Archived from the original on 2009-12-07. Retrieved 2009-12-07.
    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Pramati Technologies to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. North America 1000 03:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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I don't think there is enough coverage of this wealthy businessman to make him notable. WP:BEFORE only gave me one additional reference, to the 2009 Sunday Times rich list (the 2005 one is already referenced). Tacyarg ( talk) 22:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Jessie Ware. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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I researched to try and make this article notable but there really isn't enough coverage to warrant an article. Though sources do exist, the coverage is extremely limited and repetitive: Rollingstone, Pitchfork, Stereogum, The Fader, DIY Mag, Undertheradar Mag, Consequence of Sound and V Magazine. What coverage there is is superficial and doesn't mention much beyond the single's release and credits/writers or quotes of lyrics. ≫ ( Lil-Unique1) -{ Talk }- 22:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was Redirect to What's Your Pleasure?. Consensus that this song fails NSONGS. ( non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat ( talk) 01:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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After coming across this article due to its tag, I tried to expand it but U don't think it meets WP:NSONGS. There isn't enough information to grow beyond a stub and many of the third party sources quote the same press release making coverage very sparse. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 22:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to What's Your Pleasure?. Consensus to redirect until stronger GNG arises (non-admin closure) Britishfinance ( talk) 00:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NSONGS, this song hasn't charted, or received enough third party coverage to ascertain notability. There are some limited mentions in the following sources NME, Stereogum, Clashmusic and Undertheradar Mag ≫ ( Lil-Unique1) -{ Talk }- 22:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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A full page for a one off award that never was awarded with one dead link as a source? Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) 20:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep or more precisely there is a consensus not to delete. There is no consensus as between keeping as-is and redirecting to Cosmic entity (DC Comics). That does not need to be decided at AFD; it may be taken up further on the article talk page. Stifle ( talk) 11:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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What makes this list of fictional characters pass WP:NFICTION/ WP:LISTN? It seems unreferenced outside links two to primary sources (comics), too. WP:FANCRUFT/ WP:OR red flags. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect to Cosmic entity (DC Comics). The current list needs massive culling. Not only should all of the non-notable, non-blue linked entries be removed, but many of the actual blue-linked entries should be as well, as they are characters that are not "cosmic entities", have never been described as such in the comics, and their inclusion here is pure WP:OR. In addition, many of the blue linked entries are not linking to pages to actual comic characters, as the DC versions are not at all notable, but to the articles on the actual mythological beings they were based on, whose articles do not talk about the DC versions at all. Once that has been done, the list will not be long enough that it would need to be split off from the main article. The main article is already functionally the same as this list is anyway - a small blurb explaining what a "cosmic entity" is, and then a large list of random characters. There is no reason to have basically the same thing spread across two articles. Any actual notable, blue-linked entries that are currently on this list, and not the other, can be easily moved over. Rorshacma ( talk) 14:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect per Rorshacma, essentially redundant to the main article. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 05:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    EDIT: I've cleaned up the main article, I think. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 05:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep looks to be a perfectly valid and useful list article. Artw ( talk) 17:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Per User:LaundryPizza03 and User:Rorshacma and their comments and cleanup of the article, this now seems to be a fork of Cosmic entity (DC Comics). At the very least, we don't need two articles that are effectively lists. Anyone who votes keep should at least consider a merge vote instead. Ping User:Andrew Davidson , User:Artw, User:Postdlf , User:Dream Focus. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    The main article does not have most of what is listed here. So its a valid list article, no reason to eliminate it, wouldn't all fit properly over there. Dream Focus 02:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    Most of what's listed here are non-blue linked entries with no context, no explanation, and no sources, or blue linked entries that actually link to articles that don't even mention DC comics, also with no context, explanation or sources. None of those should be even be in consideration for what would "fit" in a merger, as they should not be at either place. Rorshacma ( talk) 04:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • If we do that though, then there would literally be no difference between this and Cosmic entity (DC Comics). I honestly don't see why this topic needs to be repeated in two different article spaces, if you agree that this should be reduced to only the notable entries, which is exactly what the main article already contains. Rorshacma ( talk) 00:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:55, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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As far as I can tell, this is a general locale based on the creek itself. The origin story is for the name of the creek, and while it is used as a place name for railroad incidents and the like I cannot find any evidence of any settlement, and on the topos it's just a name next to the tracks with no associated buildings or indeed any features at all. Mangoe ( talk) 18:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was CSD'd by CaptainEek as an A3. (non-admin closure) PRAHLAD balaji ( M•T•AC) This message was left at 18:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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non notable film/short. Praxidicae ( talk) 17:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to Hong Kong Baptist University. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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A research centre/department established by the Hong Kong Baptist University which does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:ORG. All of the sources cited are primary sources (the website of HKBU or the centre itself), with a directory-like passing mention at the HK government website, with no significant mentions anywhere else based on my search. Also note WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, which provides that Faculties, departments [...] within a university, college, or school are generally not considered notable unless they have made significant contributions to their field. The "Major Publications" cited does not seem to qualify as "significant contributions in the field" of Sino-Christian studies. Dps04 ( talk) 03:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Either Keep or Merge with Hong Kong Baptist University. A purview of current literature on Sino-Christian theology mention researchers sponsored by this Centre which is stated to be a parallel institution with the Centre for Applied Ethics, but having a different objective. The Centre sponsors research and organizes key international events in the field of Sino-Christian studies. So, I would suggest a strong keep decision to editors. If not Keep, it should deserve, at least, a Merge but not delete. Solatido 05:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Solatido, Thanks for the vote, and let me start off by thanking you for your contributions as the creator of the nominated article.
As a research department under a university, my understanding is that the article on the Centre for Sino-Christian Studies ("Centre") is subject to the relevant notability guidelines, especially WP:ORG (See WP:NSCHOOL for more information). Would you care to provide a list of multiple reliable secondary sources with significant mentions of the Centre to show the subject meets the relevant notability requirements? I would be inclined to think mere mentions of researchers sponsored by the Centre in the academic literature wouldn't count as significant mentions for the purpose of WP:ORG or WP:GNG.
Also, you mentioned that the Centre "sponsors research and organizes key international events in the field of Sino-Christian studies.". Could you please state clearly what are the events you consider to be of such huge importance such that the Centre has also inherited notability through organisation of these events?
Of course, I am open to a merge option, but this is premised on the assumption that someone would undertake the duties in selectively merging the contents of the article to the HKBU article. -- Dps04 ( talk) 16:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Dps04, Thanks for the encouragement on my wiki edit! A quick search on Google books for mention of the Centre returns results related to researchers connected with it that I regard to be one evidence of its notability in the area of Sino-Christian studies. As the institution is regarded as an independent body similar to the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, but in the area of theological studies in Chinese context (e.g. Partner Institutions, York St. John University), I would think that it is notable in its own area of contribution. In case the majority here think that the centre itself doesn't deserve a page of its own, I would still believe that there should at least be a page on Sino-Christian study centres that would include reference to this centre and like institutions that are notable in the area of research. But, I would strongly suggest that this page deserves a Keep motion and "Sino-Christian Study Centres" or "Institutions" should rather be a category. Solatido 11:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I have listed some events in the article. I also have seen a number of institutions announcing an upcoming major international conference on Rapid Religious and Cultural Change. Solatido 12:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Solatido, Thanks for the input. Unless I am missing something, there were only 4 or 5 books which even mentioned the subject per your Google Booksearch, none of which contained a significant mention or description of the institution itself. Again, it would be helpful if u could cite reliable secondary sources mentioning or at least implying how the Centre was notable in the area of Sino-Christian Studies. But I'll defer to others to evaluate the sources out there. Regardless of the outcome, thank you for your contributions on the wiki to date :) -- Dps04 ( talk) 13:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep per WP:SNOW (six keeps with no dissent) and the likelihood that, with this starting point, continued discussion is more likely to focus on the nomination history than on the merits of the case. — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Pretty extensive article for a first-year grad student. Creator argues GNG, but I don't see it in the sources. The subject clearly has potential to become notable in the future, but looks like a case of too soon for a page at the moment. Take Note List ( talk) 17:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This appears to be a mistake in scraping Durham for names, because Madeline, California still exists, and even has its own post office. I do not have access to Durham's text, but the rough geography matches up; the coords in the article, which are not sourced, give a random point in the middle of nowhere. The spot described in the ghosttowns.com listing is clearly the extant town. I can find no evidence that there were two Madelines in the county, so I have to think this one is a mistake. Mangoe ( talk) 17:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete There's no sign of anything at the unsourced coordinates given, and there doesn't appear to be a Madeline "62 miles North of Susanville" either. The most likely explanation is a duplicate that got mis-scraped somehow.
I don't have access to the Durham book for this area, but many of the entries in other editions are nothing more than "appears on X map, Y miles North of Z." If there was anything more than this, I like to think that the person who created the article would have included it. – dlthewave 02:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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unless I am missing something, this doesn't appear to be a notable animation company. Searching in English and chinese ("朝阳动画") gives virtually nothing useful in terms of sourcing. Praxidicae ( talk) 16:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Moving articles during an AfD discussion is disruptive for a reason and this AfD demonstrates what that is. Discussion is all over the place, some commenting on the notability (or not) of Urdudaan as an article, others discussing its utility as a redirect, and still others ignoring it altogether in favor of discussing the notability (or not) of Urdu speaking people (which just for fun appears to have also been at Urdu Speaking people). So there are lots of comments but on too many topics to form a consensus. No prejudice to a speedy (though I recommend perhaps not immediate) refiling that makes a deletion argument (e.g. POV Fork or Notability) about the current title. Following that if necessary Urdudaan as a redirect can be handled at WP:RFD. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Title is not a widely used term in English but also is in not of much use in Urdu. It also fails to define the subjects it is trying to describe/mention/represent. Again, to mention the term doesn't passes WP:Verifiablity & WP:Notability tests. For details please see the talk-page of the article. Fz t c s 16:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete. The term itself has zero prevalence in academic literature. Google scholar only yields two hits [11], and both are merely mentions of a blogger named Urdudaan. The term is also virtually non-existent in non-academic texts (only 80 Google search results [12]). The topic itself ("Urdudaan" meaning "Urdu-speaking people" as an ethnic group) does not meet WP:GNG, either. None of the sources given defines "Urdu-speaking people" as an ethnic group, and everyting that can be said about the speakers of the language should be covered in the language article itself, viz. Urdu, unless someone comes up with sources that actually back up the claim that "Urdu-speaking people" are an ethnolinguistic (and hence, ethnic) group. – Austronesier ( talk) 17:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - no assertion of notability let alone evidence of it Spiderone 06:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - as per nom and Austronesier. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 12:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Strong oppose The article needs work, but not deletion. The term is a historical term for the regions comprising that of the native Urdu speakers in British India, or the people themselves. It should be revised to make this clear along the lines of my talk page post. I'm surprised though that an AfD has been opened before reaching any kind of consensus on the talk page. The AfD has been opened and supported by people who are claiming they have never heard the word. Let the page exist for a month or two and then see how far it has devloped. I'm on vacation, so will not be returning. Please do not ping me. Best regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment as I'm being called-in (albeit not by name but by reference) in previous post, I'm respondin to it.
Will you care to take burden of proof and prove that, "The term is a historical term for the regions comprising that of the native Urdu speakers in British India". We have been asking this from start and till now no-one has been able to provide anything.
And, yes, I have never heard of it, especially in the context of how it is being represented and utilized in the article, to denote native speakers of Urdu (btw...my mother tongue is Urdu & I'm native of Oudh esp. Lucknow-Faizabad region), but that is not the point, my personal views bear no weight, if there is ample proof to prove the merit of the term to render it fit to be title of an article and representative-word for a linguistic-group fighting for existence in it's native & elsewhere spaces.-- Fz t c s 16:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply

@ Magichero1234: comment It is quite strange, the major contributor of the article not even commented a single word either to delete or keep the article, hope they might be aware of this discussion Majun e Baqi ( talk) 10:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Comment The user was notified here on the talk-page.-- Fz t c s 11:17, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The only source seems to be using the term as an urdu speaker while the other sources are about Urdu or other topics. Even if someone can come up with a source that verifies that the term is historical and specifically used as a term to describe urdu speakers, this would, at best, merit a line in the Urdu language page. -- regentspark

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Comment so that means Urdudaans is just another word for Muhajir people of Pakistan. Also, that means Urdudaans doesn't represent all the ethnic/native-Urdu-speakers, most of whom happen to be Indians. That further limits the scope of the term and by implication the article, that also means, the article is misrepresenting the facts. I'll suggest the editors including Magichero1234 to update the article in accordance with these comments.-- Fz t c s 07:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment oh no I don't think I made myself clear enough. We use Urdudaan for anyone, not just Muhajirs. Urdudaan in Urdu means Urdu speaker. Magichero1234 ( talk) 07:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment I think, by this, "Urdudaan in Urdu means Urdu speaker" you mean ,"Urdudaan in Pakistan means Urdu speaker", because the term is not used (or very rarely) in India for Urdu speaker.-- Fz t c s 07:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Vice regent I'm not contesting the notability of Urdu-speaking people. In fact as I mentioned above, it would be quite coherent to have an article on the Urdu-speaking population in South Asia, particularly as it would include a large section of North Indian Muslims who belong to this identity. My only concern is content-based, deriving from the current article. Mar4d ( talk) 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
KEEP In light of Faizhaider's restructuring and Vice regent's suggestion, I am changing my view to keep. I am convinced that if we replace the non-notable term Urdudaan with Urdu speaking people, the article has a very good scope. Mar4d ( talk) 05:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I have made some additions in references to this effect. In case the consensus tilts toward delete, I would prefer that a merge be allowed first of the relevant material into the determined target article. Mar4d ( talk) 06:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Mar4d, in this case nominatorhave already withdrawn to keep with certain changes Majun e Baqi ( talk) 06:30, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment This article's very content is wrong, it refers Urdudaan to native Urdu speakers which I think is not entirely correct. Daan is Persian word which means knower, colloquially Urdudaan is used to denote a person expert in Urdu not just a knower. Similarly Sciencedaan(Scientist) is said to a person who is expert in science not just a knower. Like this article [13] about Patras Bokhari who taught English but was an Urdu writer says that "Angrezi ka naamwar Urdudaan (English's famous Urdudaan). The other terms are Urduwan and Urduban, these are remotely used terms to denote Urdu speakers, 'wan or ban' in Persian means speaker. Like Persian speakers are referred to as Farsiwans or Farsibans and Hindko speakers are referred to as Hindkowans. So this article's content needs to be rewritten if it stays or else it be deleted since Urdudaan is not much notable. An article on Urdu Wikipedia can be an option. USaamo ( t@lk) 21:19, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    USaamo, I think it is quite easy to amend the article as per your view to make its way to keep Majun e Baqi ( talk) 10:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I've started a discussion on it's talk page regarding the matter, waiting for others to give view regarding the matter and if page stays, it will be added. USaamo ( t@lk) 14:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
USaamo, I think the article has substantially changed as per the suggestions given by you, thanks Majun e Baqi ( talk) 13:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment Still the pages Urdudaans & Urdudaan should be deleted, and the new article Urdu Speaking people should be Urdu speaking people and should be re-written thoroughly from scratc.-- Fz t c s 15:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • I'm fine with a re-write. In that case the closing admin should make that note. This is important because otherwise when we re-write people might come along and claim there is consensus that this is not a notable topic. But reading comments above, that's not true. VR talk 15:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment I have made some amends to the article Urdu speaking people, and removed all reference to Urdudaan but it still need review and expansion-- Fz t c s 22:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Majun e Baqi: I moved the page to Urdu speaking people from Urdu Speaking people, please bother to see the history (but even if you don't see the history you should be aware of it as it was you who performed the previous moves). I still vote for deletion for Urdudaans and Urdudaan, even if they are redirects, nothing is linking to them, what is the use to keep them?-- Fz t c s 07:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The definition fails verification and no such definition appears in any RS that mention lockdown dramas. It is not clear that any genre definition for this neologism is possible or that a consistent usage exists yet. A WP:BEFORE search shows only one characteristic in the usage: that a story is set in a domestic setting during the current pandemic. Trivially setting a story in a contemporary reality is not enough to posit a new genre. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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This article had no third party sources; now it has some, and is therefore kept.— S Marshall  T/ C 15:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Complete lack of notability no third-party references DGG ( talk ) 22:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Delete Zero third-party sources to support notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Diedrich, John (1998-08-07). "Retired enlisted group will honor founders - Headquarters renamed for two local veterans". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    2. Pearce, Kelly (1997-05-04). "Veterans group looking for young ideas". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    3. Walsh, Paul (2018-12-27). "Court orders veterans fundraiser to shut down, pay Minnesota groups $400,000". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    4. Maze, Rick (2002-03-11). "Lawmaker wants to revoke TREA charter over fund-raising flap". Air Force Times. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    5. Philpott, Tom (September 2001). "Points of Interest: Lawmakers Blast Enlisted Group for "Bilking" Seniors". Proceedings. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    6. Potter, Leslie (2002-06-05). "Marshall brought scone recipe from trip to England". Hays Daily News. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05 – via Newspapers.com.
    7. Schiller, Nicole E. (2008). "Examining Veterans' Interest Groups: Understanding Success Through Interest Group Ratings". Res Publica. Illinois Wesleyan University. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    8. Chadwell, Samantha (2018-10-26). "Honor Their Service: The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA)". KNBN. Archived from the original on 2020-07-06. Retrieved 2020-07-05.
    Sources with quotes
    1. Diedrich, John (1998-08-07). "Retired enlisted group will honor founders - Headquarters renamed for two local veterans". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      So in early 1963, Sorell and George Skonce, both Colorado Springs residents, organized the first meeting of The Retired Enlisted Association.

      In the 35 years since, TREA has grown into a nationwide veterans group with 85,000 members. The Springs chapter is the largest local unit, with 3,000 members.

      ...

      The organization won other fights, such as exempting a portion of retired pay from state income tax and shielding widows and widowers of veterans from high inheritance tax in Colorado.

      ...

      In November 1964, TREA expanded beyond the Pikes Peak region to form a chapter in Georgia. Five more chapters formed before TREA's first national convention in 1967. Today, there are 56 chapters. In 1970, TREA formed an auxiliary, which now has 16,000 members.

    2. Pearce, Kelly (1997-05-04). "Veterans group looking for young ideas". The Gazette. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      A group to support retired enlisted service members in Colorado Springs was born out of a coffee break.

      Two retired Air Force sergeants - George Skonce and Dean Sorell - wanted a way to fight for their rights and a place to mingle with fellow veterans.

      As they sat and sipped coffee at Peterson Air Force Base in 1957, they dreamed up The Retired Enlisted Association, or TREA. In February 1963, they held the first meeting: Forty-four people showed up at what was then Ent Air Force Base, now the U.S. Olympic Complex.

      ...

      Today, TREA has blossomed into a 50-chapter organization with 3,200 members locally and 85,000 nationally. Dues start at $20 a year.

    3. Walsh, Paul (2018-12-27). "Court orders veterans fundraiser to shut down, pay Minnesota groups $400,000". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      A nonprofit that sought and collected donations supposedly for paid phone cards for veterans and their families was ordered by a Minnesota court Thursday to shut down after the state Attorney General's Office said the charity fraudulently collected hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      Along with closing operations, Colorado-based TREA (The Retired Enlisted Association) Memorial Foundation must come up with more than $400,000 that will be distributed to legitimate veterans-support groups in the state, according to the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, which prevailed in Ramsey County District Court.

    4. Maze, Rick (2002-03-11). "Lawmaker wants to revoke TREA charter over fund-raising flap". Air Force Times. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      A House lawmaker has unveiled a bill to revoke the federal charter of The Retired Enlisted Association because of what he calls the group's "misleading" fund-raising tactics.

      ...

      TREA formed the League in 1992 as a special project to serve civilian retirees. Niski said the board of directors of the enlisted association still elects the board of trustees for the senior citizens' group, but TREA is not involved in day-to-day management of the group.

      Many associations such as TREA have federal charters. They are prestigious stamps of approval, but are not required for such groups to exist.

    5. Philpott, Tom (September 2001). "Points of Interest: Lawmakers Blast Enlisted Group for "Bilking" Seniors". Proceedings. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      Nothing of the sort, however, occurred on 26 July at a hearing of the Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Ways and Means Committee. Representatives of The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA), the ninth-largest U.S. veterans service organization, appeared under subpoena to explain their role in what lawmakers contend has been a systematic effort to bilk senior citizens.

      Lawmakers and federal investigators said TREA, through a "special project" group called the TREA Senior Citizens League, uses misleading information to entice elderly Americans to donate cash and add their names to mailing lists that TREA then rents to other organizations.

      ...

      TREA itself has approximately 100,000 members, most of them retired enlisted. But the Senior Citizens League, begun by TREA seven years ago, has a donor list of 1.3 million elderly Americans, most of them persons who hope to gain better Social Security benefits through a legislative victory. League brochures suggest victory is near; lawmakers with jurisdiction over the issue say victory is very unlikely.

    6. Potter, Leslie (2002-06-05). "Marshall brought scone recipe from trip to England". Hays Daily News. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05 – via Newspapers.com.

      The article notes:

      According to the letter you received, you would not quality as a member of The Retired Enlisted Association anyway, since you never served in any branch of the Armed Services. That aside, TREA is a legitimate organization, founded in 1963 and chartered by Congress in 1992. There have been some stirrings in Congress to revoke that charter, largely due to the political activity of a subsidiary branch of TREA called TREA Senior Citizens League, or TSCL. (TSCL recently has been covered in this column in connection with its request for funds to lobby for Social Security "Notch Baby" remediation.) Both TREA and TSCL have Web sites: [websites]

      TREA is listed as a veterans' services organization on the Veterans Administration Web site.

    7. Schiller, Nicole E. (2008). "Examining Veterans' Interest Groups: Understanding Success Through Interest Group Ratings". Res Publica. Illinois Wesleyan University. Archived from the original on 2020-07-05. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      The Retired Enlisted Association (RE) was created in 1963 and works for the expressed purpose of “[enhancing] the quality of life for uniformed services enlisted personnel, their families and survivors-including active components, Reserves, and National Guard, and all retirees” (Retired Enlisted Association). With less wealth and membership than all previously mentioned groups, the Retired Enlisted Association very rarely takes a stand on issues that are not directly related to the interests of former enlisted service people.

    8. Chadwell, Samantha (2018-10-26). "Honor Their Service: The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA)". KNBN. Archived from the original on 2020-07-06. Retrieved 2020-07-05.

      The article notes:

      In this week’s segment of “Honor Their Service,” we introduce you to The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA).

      The Retired Enlisted Association (TREA) was started by two enlisted servicemen from Colorado Springs back in 1963. They saw a need for having an enlisted association.

      TREA went through the whole process and was sanctioned by Congress to have a national charter. Its goal is to help and serve both active duty and retired veterans as a whole.

      There are about 45 active chapters across the U.S. but only one in South Dakota. John Martinez is the treasurer of TREA Chapter 29 in Rapid City with about 550 members. John is originally from East Los Angeles and spent 26 years in the U.S. Air Force. He started out as a communication specialist. Later, he served in the Vietnam era and then spent many years serving in the NATO Nations.

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Retired Enlisted Association to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 19:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable businessperson. Despite the refbombing, all of the refs are not beyond a trivial mention, not in independent, reliable sources, and/or simply spam refs. My attempts to find actual RS coverage didn't come up with much.

Article is entirely promotional, written almost entirely by an SPA. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 15:35, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. General consensus, further discussion about moving or merging to be left on article talk page. (non-admin closure) Night fury 14:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This article was recently blanked-and-redirected without discussion on its talk page. I have reverted that edit and am opening a discussion about it instead. A.D.Hope ( talk) 15:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • The proper place for that discussion would be on the other editor's talk page, or the talk page of the list. Why did you invoke deletion processes, when you do not seem to be advocating for deletion? I think speedy keep is appropriate. postdlf ( talk) 16:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Regarding that redirection (by someone other than the nominator), this page is about the titles held by the monarch over time, which has changed; that editor tried to redirect to just the titles held by the current monarch, Elizabeth II, which would of course not be correct. postdlf ( talk) 22:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • KEEP Perfect valid list article, listing a notable subject and aiding in navigation by grouping a lot of related articles. Dream Focus 17:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • KEEP - Seems like a valid article that a people would find useful and is definitely notable TimeEngineer ( talk) 21:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect/merge to Style of the British sovereign. It's a content fork. DrKay ( talk) 13:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • But that’s not the same precise topic; how the monarch is to be addressed (“style”) does not include listing every title that monarch holds. You had also tried redirecting this list, which covers the titles and honours held over history, to a page that is just about what is held by the current monarch. So you’ve seemed confused (or indifferent) as to the intended scope. postdlf ( talk) 14:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply
      • Don't tell me about my own edits or the scope of my knowledge. I'm more aware of them than you are, so retorting them back to me and calling me confused is clearly only meant to be aggressive and uncivil. DrKay ( talk) 15:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:LISTN aides in navigation and provides information for our readers Lightburst ( talk) 19:44, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Old Dominion Monarchs football. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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No reason that this needs to be a stand-alone list. Absolutely falls under WP:IINFO. No references that show that it's a notable topic in its own right. Slashme ( talk) 15:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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paid for spam sourced to unreliable tabloids, outside of the one okay source (The Telegraph) which looks just like a puffy "feel good" piece Praxidicae ( talk) 14:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Comment the page's creator has now been perma-banned for undisclosed paid editing. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 09:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Stifle ( talk) 11:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Subject fails WP:NARTIST and WP:ANYBIO. The subject is a mere mention in each citation and many of the citations are where she displayed artwork, so not independent. Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Assuming good faith, but Mickly/Micericky is a one-day old account. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Stifle ( talk) 11:04, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The notability is dubious. Two reliable sources mention the subject very briefly and another one is an interview with the subject. All the other sources are self-published by the subject and their existence doesn't establish notability. The only notable event here could be covered by the WP:SINGLEEVENT policy, and there is no article about the event, and probably shouldn't be. Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 08:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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I don't think the car bombing itself is as notable as the individual. However, if you wish to create a new article on that subject, I won't object. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 17:13, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to SPARQL. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 04:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Exists, but doesn't meet WP:NOTABILITY. Boleyn ( talk) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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*Delete per above. Does not meet WP:GNG. Red Phoenix talk 12:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Interesting refs Cunard has turned up. I couldn’t find those at all on a WP:BEFORE, but I had not considered that more scholarly material might exist. I have stricken my delete !vote for now, and may consider a keep !vote upon further review. Red Phoenix talk 13:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 21:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:EVENTCRIT, no persistent coverage over period of time. Störm (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep because, as noted amongst sources like this, it was notable as both a suicide attack in terms of intensity, and as an attack on the office of a federal parliament member. A terror incident like this causing eight casualties anywhere else in the world would be recorded similarly on Wikipedia. Mar4d ( talk) 16:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was draftify. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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References included in article are either dead urls or so generic as not to be ascertainable whether they support article material or not, and thus entire article appears to be based on original research and opinion. No encyclopedic material is included in the article and thus it is of such low quality that it should be deleted. werewolf ( talk) 23:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Userfy or Draftify. Obviously, in its current state with essentially no references whatsoever the article should not be live. However, the topic would seem notable and the content of the article seems useful, it just needs to be supported by reliable sources, which is why I think that the article should be either draftified or userfied to give it time to develop. Zoozaz1 ( talk) 01:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ 05:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Not notable, fails WP:GNG - MRRaja001 ( talk) 11:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG No notable wrestler. Only worked on a regional level, sources doesn't focus on him. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG No notable wrestler. Only worked on a regional level, sources doesn't focus on him. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG No notable wrestler. Only worked on a regional level, sources doesn't focus on him. HHH Pedrigree ( talk) 11:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:55, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Article was recreated after last deletion in 2019. Though this iteration has more sources, I still don't see any that clearly meet reliable sources for indie/altenative music (as a fan of this genre of music, I'm aware of the most prominent sources for it) other than the AllMusic entry. The rest seem to be coming from obscure blogs and sites that solicit press releases; examples include [19], [20], [21]. Though the creator denies a WP:COI here, nearly all of their contributions have been centered on Bradford, including a film he made (deleted via Afd here), and a company he was a part of (speedied here). There's also this which I'm not sure what to make of. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC) ( reply

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  • Delete per nomination and the previous one. Vast majority of sources are primary/unreliable, combined with COI concerns, deletion seems to be the best option. WhinyTheYounger ( talk) 15:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:02, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The article remained for five years with no contest. There are other articles about artists (example: Paul The Trombonist) that have been created in similar fashion as the subject of this article, with legitimate sources and a user who created the article for that person and not much else. Instead of deletion, move it to draft and continue improving. The person is legitimate, as are the sources. In looking into things further, even though some sources pulled information from a bio, there are completely strong and independent publications with good information that is verifiable. The entry has withstood For five years without an issue. Let it be moved to draft and continued to be worked on, perhaps with more contributors, and let us reach an agreement (in a nicer way than what has been happening). THBAO ( talk) 21:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC) THBAO ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Comment So on on hand, you're saying we should keep this article because other stuff exists, such as Paul The Trombonist, then you go on to nominate Paul the Trombonest for deletion? Well, OK. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Comment Only calling attention to it (and it was done prior to my comment here, so to be correct here: I called attention to it, then came here to discuss and my considerations unfolded afterwards), as this one was also placed into the same category, in your opinion. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will get deleted, just that it might be worth taking a look at, and since there are similarities, maybe both should be improved and revisited. It would be fair, would it not? We're all here trying to add value, not take it away. There is, and never has been, anything done here to warrant the aggressive response or a reason to not be nice. It seems like we should take some consideration and pump the brakes, so to speak. Constructive vs. Destructive. Thanks. THBAO ( talk) 22:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - THBAO asked me to take a look at this as a fresh set of eyes as I’d deprodded Paul The Trombonist. Those of you who have seen my AFDs will know I’m not an inclusionist by default, but there is a case here. The sources by PopMatters, Niji magazine and the staff-authored bio from AllMusic are all appropriate sources for this article. There are a lot of poor quality sources which I would like to see taken out, but this does not mean the subject isn’t notable. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply
*Delete I disagree with what you cited as being evidence of notable source coverage. PopMatters and Niji are basic new release announcements/video posts with obligatory editorial culled from promotional hype verbiage. As of 2020 such stuff is run-of-the-mill. AllMusic is--as ever--problematic on a case by case basis. If ever there is evidence of why staff bylines at AllMusic are not necessarily the indicator of editorial oversight, please note that this one is simply a verbatim cut and paste of his bio from his own website. As others have stated, there is no significant coverage for this subject, merely verification of his existence. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 22:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Preferably speedy as a purely promotional repost. Differences between this an the deleted version are superficial. If not speedy the regular deletion as non notable, as at last afd. Wikipedia is not here for promotion. Coverage is lacking. Maybe good, popmatters and a very short allmusic. That's it and that's not enough. The Niji source mentioned above is clearly not an independent reliable source. Pure pr. Aside from being obviously so from reading it it contains the same crufty wording as found elsewhere. Google the wanky pr "great fortune of consulting with award-winning artist development coach" And you get Apple Music and YouTube bios. duffbeerforme ( talk) 23:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete having reflected on this I’ve struck my vote above. The AllMusic biog is particularly concerning as this is an argument that I see time and again at AFD as a barometer of notability. Is there anyway of adding this intel to the list of WP:RS? Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 07:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Upon adding further improvements and continued searches for archival footage from news orgs, I propose having this article moved back into draft form. The article has been cleaned up considerably, dead links recovered, and new sources added (Muck Rack and The Next Web to support journalism fork in career section). More sources will continue to be added. AllMusic is a legitimate source with independent writers and editorial processes. With regards to the claim that the bio as written on AllMusic was taken verbatim from the subject's website, I disagree based on date-stamps found on Internet Archive. November 5, 2016 was the first occurrence of the AllMusic bio found here. It wasn't until January 17, 2017 that the bio appeared on the subject's website and was attributed to AllMusic here. There just appears to be a mixup in judging of the reliability based upon that and this clears up the chronological error. Again, let us consider that there is a case here and that this article can continue to be improved upon, whether in it's current state or in draft. Thank you THBAO ( talk) 16:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Note to closing admin THBAO has already had it moved it into draft after the first AfD, and resurrected it a few months later barely changed, and again here to try to avoid this second AfD. There's been more than enough time to improve this article after the first AfD. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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Fails WP:ORG. Couldn't find reliable references for information provided, most of which seems to be independent research Suonii180 ( talk) 10:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- JHunterJ ( talk) 12:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Items are WP:PARTIAL matches and not ambiguous with "Black Lives Matter". They should not even be hatnotes per the guideline WP:RELATED. — Bagumba ( talk) 10:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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I made some edits here. See what you think. I won't vote to oppose the deletion of the disambig page, but I think it would be nice to keep it because of the 1) social movement, 2) organization of the same name, and 3) similarly named Movement for Black Lives.– CaroleHenson ( talk) 07:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
@ CaroleHenson: If the movement and organization were deemed better as separate standlaone pages, then a dab might make sense (if a WP:HATNOTE wasn't sufficient) since they would be ambiguous. If the topics remain on the same page, the Black Lives Matter page's lead and table of contents should make it obvious to the reader and easy to navigate; it's not the role of a dab to compensate for a disorganized primary topic page. Regards.— Bagumba ( talk) 08:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy delete. Page has been deleted by User:Tom harrison as G7 (non-admin closure) Eddie891 Talk Work 12:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Non notable musician falling short of WP: MUSICBIO & WP:GNG. A before search shows him mentioned majorly in primary sources. Celestina007 ( talk) 09:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Poorly sourced non-notable vocal coach. The article mentions having worked with "many charting artists and West End and touring shows", but fails to provide any examples. I have tried searching the article's sources, but none can be found there either. The first line of the article mentions research notability, but the source links to the homepage of a website which makes no mention of the subject or his research. The article successfully cites his contributions to published research books on vocal artistry, but I do not believe these meet the WP:N or WP:ACADEMIC criteria. Skyrack95 ( talk) 09:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. The coverage is certainly significant, so the question is whether the book is considered independent; it has not been satisfactorily answered. King of ♥ 05:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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WP:GNG requires If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." WP:NRIVALRY states "Sports rivalries are not inherently notable." and defers to GNG.

The article is unsourced with only a single pseudo citation present and has been tagged as such with NOT since Aug 2018. The football series dates to 1881-1911. The men's basketball series dates to 1903-1912, which briefly resumed in 2011-2012. UW Dawgs ( talk) 20:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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@ Editorofthewiki: Would you be willing to take a fresh look at this in light of 09er's comments below? Cbl62 ( talk) 20:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
I'm still not sure it's notable. The article needs a lot of work, I'm not usually a huge fan but WP:TNT may apply. If we can have enough sources documenting an actual rivalry, rather than a series of games played by local teams, I could be persuaded to change my mind. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 15:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep It is probably one of the most well documented and researched rivalries of the early 20th century. Anybody that says that Transylvania and UK were not a rivalry should read "Before Big Blue" by Gregory Ken Stanley. [22] The book is about the founding of the University of Kentucky's athletic teams. The book goes into great detail about the rivalry for about 10 to 20 pages. This rivalry was very intense, including in 1911 when it almost caused a riot in Lexington when the Transylvania students marched on UK campus dressed in nightshirts and caring clubs. Other games include the 1903 (Ringer Game) substitution game scandal and several Thanksgiving Day games, where the gate receipt was so large it kept UK athletic department from going bankrupt. When they started playing basketball again in 2011, there were articles about the rivalry written including this one from the Lexington Herald Ledger [23] Also, this is not just a cross-town rivalry but a sibling rivalry since Kentucky began as the A&M Extention of Transylvania. 09er ( talk) 23:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • What's interesting though is that all of those sources are modern - I've just looked up the Courier-Journal article on the 1911 riot and while there's decent game coverage, most of the hits for "rivalry" were from two teams in Georgia. The name appears modern as well with no hits apart from a recent exhibition basketball match. SportingFlyer T· C 23:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • I mean, it poses an interesting question: could something that was clearly contentious, but not really described as a rivalry at the time (there were a couple mentions I found, but I found more mentions of the Transylvania/Central rivalry) be considered one 100 years later? I expanded my search for "Battle on Broadway" and I can't find any sources at all which describes it as the "Battle on Broadway" until 2012 (the documentary, everything else is from 2018.) (Now, the Lexington newspaper doesn't appear to be on Newspapers.com, but I still don't think the rivalry itself to be notable.) SportingFlyer T· C 01:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • I have done a lot of editing of coaches and players of the early years of college football. Searching the web to find information and sources about this era can be tough. Sometimes it seems like nothing existed before the year 2000. Sometimes It feels like some of the well known all-American football players really didn't exist. Sites like Newspaper.com have made it a lot easier, but it has a limited number of papers. Looking at the list of footnotes the chapter in "Before Big Blue," where most of the information about the rivalry is, the author cites a lot on articles from the Lexington Herald. One thing that may help your research may be the names of the schools. During the majority of the early days, Transylvania was called Kentucky University, and the University of Kentucky was known as Kentucky State College. I agree with you that "Battle On Broadway" is probably a new name since it is not called that in "Before Big Blue." If the consensus is to keep, I am going try to update to a more acceptable level. 09er ( talk) 02:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep this seems to be a rivalry from days gone by that is worth keeping. Notability cannot be "lost".-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 01:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per 09er's arguments. -- Micky ( talk) 01:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Blocked sockpuppet - Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 04:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The fact that it is not a rivalry today, or that the schools now play in different divisions, is irrelevant as this article pertains to a historic rivalry that existed more than 100 years ago. Very few rivalries are historic enough to have a documentary film made about them. The documentary plus the "Before Big Blue" book (09er's assertions accepted in good faith) are sufficient to pass the WP:GNG bar. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Thanks, SF. The lack of independence is obviously significant. Also, I watched most of it and it doesn't even mention football so far as I watched. Switching to neutral for now. If 09er can present some of the independent sourcing from "Before Big Blue" to satisfy WP:GNG, I'd be willing to restore my keep vote. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Cbl62: The problem is that the "Before Big Blue" book appears to be self-published by the University of Kentucky, so I'm not really sure that's an independent source for GNG purposes, either. As far as the article itself, see my comment from back in 2015 in a discussion about it. Everything I said there pretty much holds true today. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 05:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Cheers. I'm convinced there's a place in the encyclopaedia somewhere for this, but I'm not yet convinced it merits its own article. However stuff like [26] "Bad feeling has always existed to some extent between the two colleges" is helpful. SportingFlyer T· C 18:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Tomorrow I am going to start updating the article and adding in-line citations from the book and a few other sources. It may take me a week or two since I am swamped right now. 09er ( talk) 20:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply
It probably makes sense to hold this AfD open for another week or so to allow 09er a bit more time to add the sources he mentioned above. Cbl62 ( talk) 20:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC) reply
@ Cbl62:@ Rikster2:@ SportingFlyer: I have updated and expanded the article with in-line citations. I have not done any work on the the basketball section. I will try to work on this section this coming weekend. 09er ( talk) 01:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ Cbl62:@ Ejgreen77: The University Press of Kentucky is not part of the University of Kentucky. It is a "Scholarly publisher for the Commonwealth" See info page of the book. It publishes a wide range of subjects related to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. It is a non-profit organization paid for by the Clark Foundation. See link [27] It does work with every significant University in Kentucky (nine public and five private) as well as several historical societies. The University of Louisville and Western Kentucky, etc. are part of the consortium. Just like most university presses, an individual must submit academic research. If it meets its standards and mission, it could be published but not garateed. "Before Big Blue" was originally a dissertation for Ph.D. So actual academic research, not self-promotion. The Two chapters where most of the Rivalry information is found have 106 footnotes referring to lots of Newspapers (around 70 different articles), Meeting Minutes, Books and Reprorts) [28] 09er ( talk) 16:39, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Notability aside, that's about as dependent a page as I've seen on a single source in quite some time. I remain unsure whether this is better covered in season articles. SportingFlyer T· C 23:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. A valid rationale for deletion is not present. For example, per WP:NEXIST, notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. See WP:DEL-REASON for examples of valid rationales. North America 1000 11:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted by MelanieN, CSD G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The sources are all paid and among the sponsored one either they are from wire service or by news agencies which makes the page promotional, seems to be the case of COI too. Dtt1 ( talk) 07:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Clearly passes WP:GNG and WP:NPOV. Not sure why the nominator thinks that sources like Forbes, and other reputed sites are paid.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyapozin/2013/05/01/5-incredible-entrepreneurs-and-what-we-can-learn-from-them/
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/oleg-firer-ceo-of-nete-joins-advisory-board-of-coinboost-and-presents-at-nasdaq-market-site-1018423575
https://www.inc.com/magazine/201209/darren-dahl/how-i-did-it-inc-500-oleg-firer-unified-payments-meet-americas-fastest-growing-company.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/net-element-inc-nasdaq-nete-160847027.html
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/55756
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The result was keep. Fenix down ( talk) 07:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Despite passing on WP:NFOOTY, their is a lack of sources that it will be able to be justified passing WP:GNG with most of the references being about the loan from Bolton which would be routine stuff. HawkAussie ( talk) 06:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn due to being elected into the 14th Parliament of Singapore. (non-admin closure) – robertsky ( talk) 20:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Other than running for the Singapore Parliament for two occasions, there are no other notable achievements of note in the content, being a lawyer isn't notable; being a secretary of a sub group in a party isn't notable. I don't see other activities on the page that are notable. Thus may not pass WP:GNG, WP:NPOL. A redirection to 2020 Singapore general election should be done given that the person in question is running for it per WP:POLOUTCOMES, however, the editor who started this page had reverted the redirection. The editor had yet to answer satisfactory in the Talk page as to why this article should remain. – robertsky ( talk) 06:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep. For the reasons below:
  • She's leading a team ( 1, 2) to contest in a GRC which has been described by the media and analysts as one of the hottest battlegrounds (3), one of the most watched seats (4) etc., indicating the strong media attention on the candidates contesting there.
  • A google search on her English and Chinese name churns up a handful of standalone articles on her by mainstream media in Singapore including one-to-one interviews, justifying her notability
  • Member of the 2nd best-performing GRC team put forth by an opposition party at the 2015 elections.
  • As I've mentioned in the article's talkpage, the media acknowledged her online buzz and even compared her to Nicole Seah, a popular politician who once was the 2nd most followed Singaporean politician on social media, and who has a mid-importance, b-class rated article here on Wikipedia.
  • Exco member and secretary of the party's youth wing and the appointment of positions in this exco have been given due importance and reported by the media ( 5, 6)
I suppose the reasons, explanations and citations given above should suffice and establish her notability. I might include these content in the article when the Afd tag is taken off but I had actually meant to create a stub and putting all the details above into proper sentences and expanding the article is rather time-consuming. Will see how this goes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cenderpede ( talkcontribs) 13:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  1. Leading a team doesn't say anything much. There are 17 GRCs, 35 team leaders. There are other hotly contested areas as well. But what has she said or done to differentiate herself from the rest?
  2. The standalone articles are mostly a consequence of the current election. Almost every, if not all, candidates have various degrees of press coverage.
  3. Again, what had she done then to make herself stand out from the 2015 team?
  4. On Nicole Seah, notability is not inheritable. Nicole Seah is Nicole Seah, He Ting Ru is He Ting Ru. Can He Ting Ru be notable without the comparison? See WP:NOTINHERITED. Also for Nicole Seah, press coverage on her was sustained in between elections, be it good or bad. What about Ting Ru? Was there coverage between 2015 and 2020 that stuck?
  5. On the Youth Wing, the notability of the organisation in its own Wikipedia article is in question. That aside, personally I have yet to see the impact of WP's Youth Wing in the society, unlike YPAP, which by grace of its parent organisation mostly, is more visible. Again, what had she done to impact the society through her appointment? Nothing is detailed there. Having an appointment of a subsidiary group, with questionable notability here, may not be as notable as you think.
Look, if you think Ting Ru is notable, you may want to establish the notability behind the impact of her actions through her appointments. i.e. "During her appointment as a Youth Wing secretary, she was instrumental in laying out XYZ policies was later adopted at a a higher level/beyond the party". (Of course, such assertions need to be backed by verifiable sources.) As it stands now, the article or your reasonings here have nothing to dissuade me from withdrawing this AfD. – robertsky ( talk) 05:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  1. There are in fact only three to four hotly contested areas this time round and it is clear that her being highlighted by the media by leading a team there establishes her notability per say
  2. Not really, they are only a handful of candidates who have had one-to-one interviews with the media and we know we can count the number of mainstream media outlets in Singapore with just both hands. Interviews indicate significant press coverage.
  3. You might want to read again what I have written earlier.
  4. Nicole Seah had roughly a 9-year hiatus in betweeen, has not yet been elected and not exactly notable in her work field either and yet she has an article here. Same goes to Jamus Lim, not exactly a well-known figure in his work field and also a fresh face contesting for the first time. So talk about double standards much?
  5. It's reported by the media which means they recognize the functions and importance of the division.
As I've stated, it's too time-consuming to include that many details and this article is meant to be a STUB. On the other hand, it's quite noticeable that there a number of civil servants and close associates of a certain party in Singapore who are contributing here on Wikipedia on a long-standing basis and are sometimes contributing content which are much privy to the man in the street, such as this candidate who was brought by Justanothersgwikieditor. So maybe you would like to disclose your affilations and occupation to ensure that your views are not skewed? -- Cenderpede ( talk) 15:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  1. Nicole Seah's article had an AfD and survived. That's the difference. As for Jamus Lim, feel free to open an AfD if you feel so. Personally, I have not done so because I have yet to participate in an AfD which involves WP:PROF guidelines, which I suspect other editors may use it in addition to WP:NPOL, to argue for and against deletion.
As it stands, the not-so-stubby stub here has yet to establish the notability. I can empathise with you on the time consuming portion as I am working on updating other BLPs at the moment, but that's not a reason not to expand the article to establish the notability (I have hinted at withdrawing the AfD, but you got to give me something solid in the article). I have already out myself by virtue of having my social network accounts on my user page. (Note, other editors may take it less kindly on the request to out oneself.) I have neither the party affiliations nor employed in positions that would skew my views. My conflict(s) of interest here on Wikipedia is also declared on my user page, which would also not skew my views. I am no privy to any intrinsic details on any of the candidates or parties. If you had gone through my contribution history, I applied the same treatment on many of the other non-notable yet-to-be elected candidates (be it PAP, WP, PV, etc), to either redirect back to 2020 Singaporean general election or move to the draftspace. This AfD was opened after you had reverted an earlier redirection, and I presumed that you wouldn't have taken kindly to a move to the draftspace. As for Shawn Huang Wei Zhong, the page creator wasn't User:Justanothersgwikieditor, but User:Thang324 who had been warned for WP:COI. You can check the page history on this. In fact, I think User:Justanothersgwikieditor has been one of the other editors who have been redirecting other non-notable yet-to-be elected candidates as well. – robertsky ( talk) 18:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Why is COI important in an AfD? The arguments for and against an AfD discussion are taken in its merit and if a COI editor gives a poor argument, it will be given lesser weight based on the argument and not on their COI. Anyway, I declare I do not have a COI (no affiliation with any political parties, be it paid, voluntary or what so ever and nor have I worked in any civil sector agencies). As per what robertsky said, see my redirects 1(WP), 2(WP), 3(NSP), 4(PAP) and talkpage discussion with a PAP affiliated COI editor about the editor's COI issue. Also, @ Cenderpede: please declare any COI you might have. -- Justanothersgwikieditor ( talk) 01:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete unelected candidate, not a notable politician, not otherwise notable. The gender issues with the article are a bit disorientating, though this has nothing to do with the delete !vote. SportingFlyer T· C 20:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment
  • @ Robertsky: I have added my replies next to your comments.
  • @ SportingFlyer: I find the gender nouns somewhat confusing as well as I was creating the article but it's a non-issue. I actually hope you had taken the time to read through my reasons stated above, rather than brushing it off with one-liners such as oh "she's not elected and therefore not notable", as it is rather discouraging to editors who took time and effort in creating and contributing relevant, neutral and balanced articles on Wikipedia. Heck, I've spent such an amount of time providing sources/citations and explanations on here when time could have been better spent on improving other articles...
  • Additional inputs from other editors who are balanced and neutral and also who have a fair knowledge of the subject in Singapore are much welcomed and appreciated. Cenderpede ( talk) 15:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • The person simply is not eligible for a Wikipedia article at this time. I'm not trying to discourage you. It's not great getting an article deleted, but we do have notability guidelines, and this person does not pass them. SportingFlyer T· C 17:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. While this article seems in need of improvement, and might be eligible to be merged/converted into a template,there is general consensus that it satisifies our guidelines for being a standalone list. Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:28, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This article is unsourced and the article specifically says "Please note that UNESCO does not endorse this classification by religion..." indicating that we'll never have official sources for classifying sites by religion making this no better than a collection of opinions. Since some of the sites have been used by multiple faiths at various times, may still be used by various faiths today, may include secular buildings and may not be used by any faith at the present, inclusion is arbitrary. Tobyc75 ( talk) 13:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Well, in theory. Only the "Protestant" sites present a problem - mostly built as Catholic, & Anglicans (at least on WP) resile from the P word. Merge with the Catholics as "Western Christian churches" & I think this are ok. It is useful to have Buddhist sites collected etc. Note this was started after a Cfd discussion. Johnbod ( talk) 02:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete part of nom is incorrect as wp:lstn says that list subject only has to be notable, and therefore items on list don't need to be referenced to show notability. However as pointed out by Northamerica, it is impossible to list by religion as many sites have been claimed. We already have a list of Unesco World heritage sites so why this? Davidstewartharvey ( talk) 09:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and rename to make the scope clearer. This is largely a list of World Heritage Sites which are places of worship, grouped by religion (or at least current religion in a few cases). There are a few more tenuous ones (e.g. a town which has some churches in it), but there's only a few of those and it's not a big deal to get rid of them. Grouping WHS by type seems like a valid, encyclopedic categorisation to me and evidently a lot of them are places of worship. I don't see why UNESCO publishing a list of this type is a prerequisite for us doing so. Hut 8.5 12:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply
But not all the sites on this list are currently places of worship. For example, one of the first on the Catholic list: Lorsch Abbey was destroyed during the 30 Years War while briefly Protestant. The LEDE says "...most recent affiliation" so was Lorsch Abbey Catholic or Protestant or is it neither since it was destroyed almost four centuries ago? A number of these sites are a mixture of religious and secular sites. Why is Sassi di Matera included on the list when other towns which also include churches are not? Is it because the name of the site includes the word church? How many churches need to belong to a combined site to make it belong to a list. What if a combined site includes churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc? Then which religion does it belong to? If there is no verifiable criteria to tell if something belongs in the list, then it's just up to my and your opinions as to what belongs on the list and that is opposed to the idea of something being Verifiable. Tobyc75 ( talk) 15:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Yes, there are some entries on the list which aren't places of worship, such as towns. Those can be removed, and I don't think it's a reason for deleting the list. If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. The vast majority of entries in the list are unambiguously places of worship, so I don't think this should be a problem. Hut 8.5 16:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Comments: I do not think a site has to be limited to "place of worship" as that is not the limited scope of the title. Mount Wutai (in China) is considered a sacred Buddhist site. The mountain has 53 monasteries. I am not against such a list as an aid to navigation but wonder if being included in a template would be a better aid, especially if the country was included so it could be clicked offering a reorganization by country? -- Otr500 ( talk) 13:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The player fails WP:NFOOTY as he has not played in a tier one international match and also the Pakistan league is not a professional league under WP:FPL. HawkAussie ( talk) 05:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 17:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Night fury 14:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This one is heavily masked in searching by the other Sunnyslope, which is a CDP in a different county. But as far as I can determine, this was actually the Sunnyslope Avocado Nursery: every clear hit on the name in Butte County is for this defunct enterprise. GMaps places the Fair View Ranch at this location, which I can find nothing about other than the linked website. There are various houses and buildings about but it's hard to say whether they consistute a single enterprise. What I cannot find is the slightest indication, beyond GNIS, that anyone considers this a "community". Mangoe ( talk) 13:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Until the summer of my thirteenth year I lived in Los Angeles, where a classroom consisted of 35 children all the same age and grade. Then suddenly that summer of 1947, my parents sold our house and moved us to the suburbs. Not the suburbs of Los Angeles, mind you, where the population was one and a half million people, but to the suburbs of Bangor, population 300. That suburb was a little-known place off La Porte Road, in the south-eastern boonies of Butte County called "Sunnyslope," population too small to count.

As well, "Butte County Place Names" (1977) called Sunnyslope "an early land colony real estate development", while this report (2007) published by Butte County called Sunnyslope a "community" with an estimated population of 20. Magnolia677 ( talk) 12:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to List of covered bridges in Indiana. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Very borderline, but I think this doesn't meet WP:GNG and definitely doesn't meet WP:GEOFEAT. I've added what I can but it has no official historic status and the refs I could find were just list mentions. Boleyn ( talk) 05:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Stifle ( talk) 11:03, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Previous deletion decided in Oct 2017 deletion discussion but not carried out Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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Thanks for finding that out.I did wonder what happened. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose In the previous discussion, a good arguement for deletion was made by editors. Not the case here. - Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The first AFD did not have particular "good arguement for deletion". The nom was based on two things. Firstly that "only" three papers not by Somer had been published. Well, three independent, in depth sources would normally be enough for us, so I'm not seeing the policy-based rationale there. Three years on I'm seeing a lot more than three papers besides the continuing highly productive Somer and his acolytes. They include this overview paper debating whether or not the disorder is a real thing. a sure sign that the topic has become notable. The second rationale put forward, and being given another outing here, is that it is not a recognised diagnosis. While that should probably be given more prominence in the article than it currently has, it makes not the slightest difference to the notability of the subject. I would also raise the question; not recognised by who? It probably just means that it's not recognised for the purpose of medical insurance claims in the US, rather than the medical profession consider it quackery. It certainly seems to be recognised by a growing band of practitioners. Spinning Spark 09:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I took it to mean not recognized by any psychiatric manual or professional organisation. It's not in the new ICD-11 for instance. APA and international equivalents don't recognize it, ie it's a proposed diagnosis. Amousey (they/them pronouns) (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment I discounted the review as it isn't a peer reviewed journal it's an external newsletter (a fancy blog). The bar for medical sourcing is high. There are no medical sources here that aren't primary. This would be expected. This is routine coverage in the medical field and not a particularly large amount. We would therefore be left with no sources once we bring it to compliance. Non primary sources in academic journals and psychiatry journals would be expected of a notable diagnosis. It's possible it could be redirected to dissociation disorder (day dreaming being a mild form of dissociation) but I worry that's a point of view or to daydreaming if described as a largely cultural diagnosis rather than a medical diagnosis and provide links to dissociation disorder. Much of the rather turgid papers that Somers puts out are describing how it can't possibly be the same as dissociation disorder and is unique so it's possible the entire thing is a neologism created for notoriety. The newspaper articles largely rely on Somers and are not particularly independent. That it isn't recognised by DSM is a serious consideration as DSM is quite expansive. Overall I still can't see a viable path for improvement or general notability of the diagnosis. It

It shouldn't be necessary to split hairs with weak sourcing for medical articles. We could draftify it and if you can find sufficient medical sources then it could be moved back. PainProf ( talk) 14:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply

  • Keep the review article does it for me as far as GNG is concerned. However, I don't think that strict MEDRS is necessary in this case as it's not a recognized medical condition; the article can simply state that and rely on coverage from non-MEDRS compliant sources without misleading readers. ( t · c) buidhe 13:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Comments: How is MEDRS ("strict" or not)--- not applicable? The "condition" is posited as being a construct, uses the MDS- 16, Maladaptive Daydreaming Scale (revised MDS- 14), and is being pushed to be recognized. While it cannot be used as an "official" classification it is considered a "compulsive fantasy activity", a form of maladaptive behavior, which is a psychiatric condition or disorder, that is considered a form of mental illness. IF this subject is considered to fall within the criteria of "human health" it would seem it should absolutely fall under the criteria of MEDRS. -- Otr500 ( talk) 11:03, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Sufficiently sourced, the condition is also mentioned in books - [35] [36]. The older AfD is not applicable to this version. However, it needs to be mentioned that it is not completely accepted as a true condition. Hzh ( talk) 14:31, 16 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to COVID-19 pandemic in France. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 ( talk) 06:04, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRITERIA, I believe this incident is only one chapter of a larger event, which is the COVID-19 pandemic in France. I'm not seeing anything here that would allow this incident to stand out as its own article. Therefore, I'd support a merge to the COVID-19 article for now. That article already has its own section on the incident; I'd imagine the article as it is now can fit there. Love of Corey ( talk) 05:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ 05:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Proposed hospital that never became into fruition. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 04:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. There is clear consensus the subject of the article meets criterion #3 of the notability guideline for biographies, supported by additional sources which have been identified. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 09:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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While the rescue mission maybe notable, it does not appear that this individual passes WP:ANYBIO Graywalls ( talk) 08:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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  1. ^ "Jeremiah McAuley." Dictionary of American Biography, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1936. Gale In Context: Biography, https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/BT2310008051/GPS?u=wikipedia&sid=GPS&xid=0763e1bf
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Yet another Medon-line/ex-NCORR station/siding, as Gudde agrees. This one has the slight novelty of a turning loop as well as the usual passing track, but there is no sign of a town and nobody claims there ever was one. Mangoe ( talk) 03:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

  • Comment. Who is Gudde? The article is supported by at least one rs, have you any sources that dispute that this is an unincorporated community? Obviously it looks like scrubland on satellite imagery but i can see at least one watering hole in the vicinity which may suggest a cow farmer lives nearby. *puts crystal ball away* Zindor ( talk) 19:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
"Gudde" is the other "origin of California place names" source; Durham is the one the article author used for most of these. I cannot tell what Durham actually says about the place because I would need a text copy, which I do not have; GNIS is not a reliable source as to whether a place is a settlement (see WP:GNIS for the gory details of that).
The larger picture is that when the Nevada-California-Oregon Railway built a narrow gauge line up towards Oregon through this region, they had to put a station every so often for operational reasons, and all of those had to have names, again for operational reasons. Even it was only a passing siding, it still had to have a name. A few of these blossomed out into towns, but most did not, so sometimes there was a station building, and sometimes not; and eventually the line was abandoned and there was nothing at all except the scar of the old track ballast and very occasionally a foundation. But the USGS assiduously copied every railroad place name onto the topo maps, and the GNIS compilers equally assiduously collected them, but then categorized all of them as "populated places" without regard to whether there actually was anything other than a station or indeed whether there were any buildings at all. All of the authors on places in California cover all sorts of different places, so the mere mention of a name isn't sufficient to establish that the mentioned place was a town or the like, and as a rule we haven't considered railroad place names notable because they are so numerous and there is so little information about them other than the location. So a place like Sage Hen, with no apparent buildings and no direct testimony that it was a real town, doesn't pass WP:GEOLAND. Mangoe ( talk) 20:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Thank you for the detailed insight, i certainly wasn't aware about the GNIS situation. Zindor ( talk) 23:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Given the limitations of the GNIS source as explained by the OP, and the illumination given by Gudde, it's evident that the article subject is not a populated place or significant structure and therefore fails notability criteria. Zindor ( talk) 23:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Season article for a New Zealand league that isn't even the top league in the country but is regionally based. Should fail WP:NFOOTY for League notability and doesn't meet WP:GNG NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Season article for a New Zealand league that isn't even the top league in the country but is regionally based. Should fail WP:NFOOTY for League notability and doesn't meet WP:GNG NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Season article for a New Zealand league that isn't even the top league in the country but is regionally based. Should fail WP:NFOOTY for League notability and doesn't meet WP:GNG NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:13, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Season article for a New Zealand league that isn't even the top league in the country but is regionally based. Should fail WP:NFOOTY for League notability and doesn't meet WP:GNG NZFC (talk) (cont) 03:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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No substantiated claim to notability. It does not appear to have hosted any major tournaments, have a design that is the subject of substantial independent criticism, and so on. Pi.1415926535 ( talk) 02:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) U1 quattro  TALK 14:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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This article relies on one source and by seeing its stub quality, it is barely notable. The HiMedic is better off being mentioned in the Toyota HiAce page. U1 quattro  TALK 02:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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My intention when I created the page was just to make it a simple disambiguation page to list the generations. Each generation pointed back to suitable generations of the Toyota HiAce page. Kind of like the generational lists at Toyota Sprinter and Toyota Corolla. Disambiguation pages are not known for having lots of text and lots of references. This should have been non-contentious.
As for having a single source, it was only meant to be a list of generations, with the details on the HiAce page. However, Ominae ( talk · contribs) has added more more references, so this point is invalid.
If you thought the page was a bit light on details and references, it would have far better to add tags requesting more details and references instead of trying to kill it at birth.  Stepho   talk  12:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Stepho-wrs you could've classified it as a disambiguation page and not as a full on article because as an article it was poorly written and sourced. My intention for this discussion was to delete it due to the aforementioned reasons but since Ominae has improved it, I'd take it down. U1 quattro  TALK 14:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Spiritual movement from India, article with promotional issues that most likely fails WP:GNG. Received a trivial mention in India Today Magazine (used as an inline reference in the article itself). The other inline reference links to a (dead) geocities site. The only other coverage in a reliable source I could find is in a short Economic Times article. Ealuscerwen ( talk) 20:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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::Mind that this could probably have been WP:SOFTDELETED, but WP:ASSERTN is not a valid argument, and if it were the case then this would be a situation for speedy deletion and not AfD, though there is currently an assertion of notability in that "It is one of the many spiritual movements in India"... RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 23:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)sock of banned user. Usedtobecool  ☎️ 07:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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this article was nominated to AFD before but kept only basing on personal perception of the notability of the porn actor and on PORNBIO now deprecated. The source do not prove notability: 1) iafd is not reliable, 2) barely passing mention, 3) prize winner announcement (blog), 4)prize winner announcement, 5) prize winner announcement, 6) it's a mention. I couldn't find any source significant to prove notability. AlejandroLeloirRey ( talk) 22:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ 01:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Nothing significant is found to be notable. Light2021 ( talk) 22:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. King of ♥ 01:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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typical company blog article made into wikipedia. fails notability and just promotions. Light2021 ( talk) 22:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Robot combat. (non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:19, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:CORP or WP:GNG. Has been in CAT:NN for 11 years. Boleyn ( talk) 10:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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I believe that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs ( talk) 19:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. I suspect this organisation no longer exists. Their former website is for sale, and the news items are largely local and around a year or so of their founding. They seem to have been intended as the recognised, or at least de facto, sport governing body, which got as far creating a set of rules, and then faded into history. Although the RoboGames website says their rules are based on the RFL rules, they don't seem to be governed by them. My reading is they adopted the RFL rules when they came out, but since then have adapted them as required for their own purposes. The article is factually suspect in a number of ways, claiming things belonging to the RFL which are not supported in the sources. The bar chart showing number of sanctioned fights is cited to the RFL's website, but all archives of that page show only a list of the ten RFL member organisations [37]. The RoboGames event in 2011 mentioned in the article as an RFL event does not have RFL mentioned anywhere in the reference. Likewise the claim that RFL put on more events than all other organisers put together is sourced to Botrank.com whose page does not even mention them. At the least, WP:OR is required to extract that information from the page.
They have clearly played a role in the history of the sport, but it seems to me that the page creator, with the best of intentions, has tried to build their importance into more than it actually was. So finally getting around to a recommendation, redirect to robot combat and place any genuinely sourcable information there. Spinning Spark 19:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Redirect if there is a volunteer to handle, otherwise redirect. My basis is the same as described by Spinningspark including that there is nothing in the article to even indicate if they exist.North8000 ( talk) 02:36, 12 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. as withdrawn Dennis Brown - 16:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Non notable film with no reputable 3rd party reviews. Claims of "award winning", but no citations found in a search to prove. Donaldd23 ( talk) 15:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 11:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Madrasah exist, but unable to find anything, all of sources are passing mention or not related. Fails WP:GNG. আফতাবুজ্জামান ( talk) 18:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply

  • Delete - No context. A sub-stub. Robert McClenon ( talk) 18:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Don't we generally keep high schools? This article is hampered by having most of its sources in Bengali. Current footnote five is not to an article, but to a newspaper search; however, listed in that search is a substantive article about this madras here entitled "Honors courses were introduced in two madrasas simultaneously in Charfassion", which computer translated reads in part Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa Assistant Professor Maulana. Nurul Amin said that since its establishment, this madrasa has been playing a role in spreading religious education in the region. A new chapter in madrasa education has begun this year thanks to the efforts of MP Abdullah Al Islam Jacob, who is particularly fond of religious education and religious institutions. and This year, Fazil (BSS), Fazil (BA) and Kamil (MA) private examination opportunities, Kamil (MA) Department of Fiqh and Fazil Honors courses in Al-Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced at Charfassion Karamatia Kamil Madrasa. Besides, Fazil Honors course and Fazil BSS course on Al Hadith and Islamic Studies have been introduced in Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil (MA) Madrasa. I don't know what kind of madras "Charfassion Karimjan Mahila Kamil" is, maybe for girls(?), but is seems to be in Charfassion as well. Someone who reads Bengali needs to check this out. The citation to Islamic Arabic University should really refer to this document which is not machine translatable, but which I believe provides the schools charter. Without review by Bengali speakers, I think that it would be inappropriate to delete this article, especially given the acknowledged under-coverage of Asian topics. -- Bejnar ( talk) 19:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC) reply
The nominators name is in Bengali, it might a good guess to assume they are Bengali speakers. Vinegarymass911 ( talk) 04:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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Well, the nominator did not do a bood "BEFORE", because i9f he or she had followed the cited links they would have found some sources other than "passing mention or not related". I admit that the original editor did not cite properly, but that ny itself is not an excuse. -- Bejnar ( talk) 23:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment We are moving away from generally keeping high schools. The old model was basically built on the assumption that any school that had averaged over 1000 students at a time over 20 years, or thus had in excess of 4000 total alumni would be notable. It was also somewhat built on the assumption local high school sports would get coverage. No one ever checked we could find idependet, indepth, reliable source coverage for every existing high school worldwide, and it was proposed by people who had not considered how many defunt high schools there are, how many rural high schools that are in a K-12 building with maybe 100 children in all grades, how many fly by night charter high schools there are, some also part of K-12 buildings, how many private high schools there are, some very small and with very short histories, and the last are way more common in some areas. We have come to realize there is no reason why institutions that educate should be given a special pass that treats them differently than insitutions that do other things. So we need sourcing on schools, not just special pleading. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete Fails GNG, the sources are essentially forms of directory listings, mentioning the existence of the school or providing administrative details, but give no indication why this school might be notable. @ Bejnar: this might be of interest to you: WP:SCHOOLRFC.-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 20:05, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Thank you @ Goldsztajn: for the reference, I appreciate it. Did you read, or read a translation of, the newspaper article? Did you look at the detail in what I called, but did not know, the charter document? Both od which are referred to by sources cited, but not directly cited by the original editor, whose citation skills are apparently quite weak. -- Bejnar ( talk) 22:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC) reply
As far as I can see none of the sources provide any indication as to what is notable about the school - the sources simply indicate the school exists and provide bureaucratic details. The Daily Inqilab is a reliable source, but the article is essentially a promotion and by itself does not confer notability. The Daily Ittefaq is also a reliable source, the article is simply conveying information regarding teachers being excluded from exam supervision (the implication is fraud, but not detailed). So there are two minor articles from reliable sources and some directory listings; this is simply not enough to demonstrate notability, which is why the article fails the GNG. -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 21:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. GirthSummit (blether) 10:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. 2006 AfD was no consensus after limited participation, and that's when our standards were much, much lower. Boleyn ( talk) 07:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. GirthSummit (blether) 10:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Bubonic plague cases are not unheard of and occur commonly because of zoonotic transmission in certain parts of the world, every year. As is common for certain diseases, outbreaks are notified and pronounced by local public health authorities. No reliable sources are provided to establish this as a notable outbreak. The notability of this outbreak is entirely derived from media reporting associated with disease outbreaks in the time of COVID. It should be deleted. Tom (LT) ( talk) 00:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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How many others are out there? Are they being nominated for deletion? I want to do my part to flatten the curve! InedibleHulk ( talk) 14:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
I feel like it would be borderline canvassing to mention them here. You are welcome to join WP:MED. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. As the cited Guardian reference and this article by the BBC state, these isolated incidents are not uncommon and don't tend to become outbreaks. (If I end up being wrong about this and the herdsman turns out to be patient zero in the next pandemic, I want Eddie Redmayne to play me in the disaster movie.) ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 18:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Snow Close as Delete Now: i have no idea if this was created as a joke, or as a good faith reaction to the little clickbait media frenzy, but we don't need to discuss its merits any further.-- Milowent has spoken 17:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep/merge Whatever is happening on the ground, the news is certainly spreading fast, being covered by the BBC; NYT; Imperial College; &c. If it's not a big deal then it is better to retain the topic and direct readers to appropriate detailed information rather than have them find that the page has been deleted so they start worrying about a cover-up and fill in the blanks themselves. See the Streisand effect. Andrew🐉( talk) 19:01, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • But WP:NOT news and not a directory, and WP:MEDRS for sourcing on biomedical health content (not laypress). We don't report every case of every disease everywhere in the world. It got news because of COVID fallout. Those who are "worried" can see that they need not worry in the very sources you cite. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • You make a good point about Facebook, but not our job (I don’t feel any better about people getting medical information from Wikipedia than I do about same from Facebook, we are equally likely to misreport) ... the other outbreak articles you link were actually outbreaks. This is one person, news hype. This case is not hard; having COVID hysteria spread NOTNEWS articles about every individual instance of every condition that gets publicity is the concern. We could add mentionmof this to a bubonic plague article, but for one case? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 21:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 09:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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I'm not sure the subject meets WP:CRIMINAL. Although he seems to have plenty of coverage in reliable sources, most of it is from regional sources, and in relation to his non-notable crimes and death. Adam9007 ( talk) 00:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete, does not fulfill either of the criteria mentioned in WP:CRIMINAL. Is not "a renowned national or international figure" and the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is not "unusual". The same is true for his associate, Paul Massey (gangster), which is currently not flagged for deletion, but could be deleted for the same reason. -- Reinoutr ( talk) 11:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment His murder seems to be a key in taking down the EncroChat network. This article provides context. References in the Kinsella and EncroChat articles attest that. Knowing who he was and who he was associated with, helps understanding the type of users that EncroChat had, that motivated a major police operation that led to hundreds of arrests. Afrachel ( talk) 15:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. GirthSummit (blether) 10:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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No references. Fails WP:GNG. P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 00:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Not sure if the nominator took action because the article has no references (if so, that's a violation of WP:NEXIST) or because no references were found during a search. In any case, there is little media coverage of Mr. Lowry and his music, with the exception of a short local news report at [38]. The only other sort-of in-depth coverage I could find is in a small community college newspaper at [39]. Otherwise he is only present in the usual streaming and self-promotional services. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 01:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Apart from the above I've found one other (negative) review from the same college newspaper [40], but that won't count as a reliable source. Richard3120 ( talk) 21:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Actually, this could meet the criteria for a WP:A7 speedy deletion. Richard3120 ( talk) 22:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. GirthSummit (blether) 10:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable boxer that fails NBOX and GNG. 2. O. Boxing 00:35, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. GirthSummit (blether) 10:30, 14 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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Defunct heavy metal band, completely unsourced since 2009. Haven't been able to find any decent reliable-source coverage to demonstrate notability, and they don't seem to fulfil any of the criteria of WP:BAND. ~ mazca talk 00:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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