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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Although she has a famous sister, Carly Gold is not notable herself. She does not meet any of the criteria at WP:NSKATE. Hergilei ( talk) 19:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Essentially, nobody else agreed that the sources produced showed by the sole "keep" vote demonstrated that a suitable article can be written on this topic. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This was kept (well, closed as no consensus) in the glorious days of 2006 when mere existence could be a sufficient grounds for voting keep. We've come a long way since then, so it's high time to re-evaluate this.

I was not able to find any in-depth reliable sources about this concept, and I searched reasonably thoroughly - I checked "lap circle" and "lap sit" on their own, then with +team, +game, and +trust. The most I found were primary sources providing rules - books with titles like "82 Games to Play With Your Kids" and similar things. These are not in-depth and are not secondary sources, considering that they merely provide instructions on how to perform a lap circle, without any analysis or commentary on the concept of a lap circle (which would make them secondary). ♠ PMC(talk) 23:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep referred to as Lap Sit or lap game or Human Chair. This is a team building exercise to foster trust and cooperation. Used in business setting or as a youth activity. I added sources and improved the intro, along with layout and added references, including formatting the existing reference. Lightburst ( talk) 02:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
The refs you added are hardly in-depth reliable secondary sources. The Game Gal is a self-published blog so it's not reliable for notability claims, the Ability Magazine article spends about three sentences discussing the concept while the rest of the article is substantially about something else, and the Jubed page is another primary-source instructional on how to do the game. ♠ PMC(talk) 02:41, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
This is a simple team building/icebreaker used in retreats for business people. Used by teachers, camp directors or facilitators to foster cooperation or to break the ice among participants. There will not be any in-depth coverage on this subject - just as there is not in depth coverage of other such activities ie Human knot, Two truths, one lie, etc. I find that this is a relevant and notable team building exercise. Reasonable editors may disagree and !vote accordingly. Lightburst ( talk) 02:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
And look! One of those articles you linked is a redirect to a different article, and one of them is tagged as "may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline". ApLundell ( talk) 03:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
It is merged. I can link to many more as I did below: I have already spent too much time on this but I accept your challenge. There is no in depth coverage for these team building games so perhaps you can AfD or redirect them as well? Hot potato, Hunt the Thimble, Dizzy bat, Questions (game), Musical chairs, Would you rather, Pass the parcel Lightburst ( talk) 04:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a valid argument in deletion discussions. Surely, as veteran of deletion discussions you're aware of that?
But to answer your question : Yes. If there's no useful sources, there's no justification for an article. ApLundell ( talk) 09:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
There will not be any in-depth coverage on this subject - that is effectively an admission that we should not have an article. ♠ PMC(talk) 04:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as a non-notable game. Redirect to "Icebreaker" (as was done with a similar article Lightburst links to above.) None of the sources establish notability, and none seem likely to be found. ApLundell ( talk) 03:22, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
What you describe is actually more of a merge since the "Two truths, one lie" is explained on the Icebreakers article. We have room for such articles. WP:NOTPAPER here are two more such games.
  1. Egg tossing
  2. Show and Tell Lightburst ( talk) 03:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Big difference - there are in-depth sources abundantly available about show and tell. JSTOR returns 3458 hits about show and tell from all kinds of reliable academic sources focused on childrens' education. Even if we limit ourselves to the first page alone, we're well clear of GNG with plenty of critical analysis and commentary. The same simply cannot be said of the lap game (4 hits, all trivial), circle (2 hits, all trivial), sit (25 hits, all trivial). ♠ PMC(talk) 04:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
You cherry picked Look at totality and see the rule instead of the exception. Lightburst ( talk) 04:39, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
What exactly did I cherry pick? ♠ PMC(talk) 04:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Use a different search term Lightburst ( talk) 04:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
No results found. ♠ PMC(talk) 04:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
This is a silly game - in practice it takes about five minutes. This is not War and Peace with academic interpretation and secondary sources. I think we have managed to spend too much time on this. I did my best in the article. I leave it to the other editors who find their way. Lightburst ( talk) 04:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Consensus that there is enough sustained coverage to overcome BLP1E concerns. RL0919 ( talk) 05:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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BLP issues. This article is about a Youtuber of borderline notability, whose main claim to fame seems to be being anorexic. Essentially the entire article is about her weight and mental health issues. This article was previously deleted at AFD last year, then restored in September 2019 following a deletion review, as more sources had been found. I'm bringing it back here as it's a complete BLP trainwreck. I'm prepared to accept that this article might possibly pass WP:BIO, due to the number of sources; although most of them are not particularly reliable, with much of it cited to random blogs and self-published sources like YouTube itself. But even if she is technically notable, I'd say this is a case where we should WP:IAR and delete the article. A 'biography' of a microcelebrity that essentially exists to track their weight and mental health is an abomination we're better off without. Robofish ( talk) 22:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Article is largely sourced to Youtube videos and no-name clickbait sites like these [1] [2] [3], which is not acceptable for a BLP, especially one involving these sorts of issues. This from Paper Magazine is a good source, and there are a few ok-ish sources that are not in the article such as [4] and [5], but the RS coverage is sparse and usually brief, and I would argue that this still falls under WP:BLP1E, which is what the article was deleted for in 2018. All of the coverage is related to her health issues and recovery - there's very little about what she actually does as a Youtuber. This is a piece of internet drama that has attracted some cursory media attention but it doesn't justify an invasively detailed BLP on a young woman. SpicyMilkBoy ( talk) 23:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep- As much as I hate to say it, youtube stars are the new tv stars. Their self indulgent rubbish is notable because the viewers say it is by watching/subscribing. Eugenia Cooney has 2.4 million followers on Youtube and that is a significant number. Her videos get 5-9 million views - and that is a career. BLP1E is not an issue here: she is notable for her self reported condition, and then also notable for having 2.4 million followers. So a WP:BLP2E designation is not any disqualifier and is in fact a fallacious argument. Lightburst ( talk) 00:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. While we don't care about subscriber numbers, the media coverage still passes WP:SUSTAINED. ミラ P 01:44, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - she certainly seems to have attracted a great deal of attention, and that's what notability is. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 18:32, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep scope_creep Talk 12:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep She has received lot of press coverage. Some examples: [6], [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. Clovermoss ( talk) 02:43, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete, without prejudice against refunding to draft if any editor thinks they can fix the article's shortcomings there. BD2412 T 17:35, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Despite the name, this is actually an organization that runs a group of schools. The individual schools appear to be private elementary schools, so they aren't independently inherently notable (and in any case, notability isn't inherited upwards). I'm not finding sufficient sources that meet WP:CORPDEPTH that would enable us to keep this article. It's possible there are non-English sources, but since the article doesn't provide a non-English name, I can't even search for any. ♠ PMC(talk) 22:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete article lacks indepdent sources. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep for the moment as John says above article lacks indepdent sources- in fact it lacks many other things too! Like content- I feel that is is worth putting a little effort into understanding the subject- there are many important Indian school articles that are getting similar comments, I think it is our fault that we don't know where to look. A school of 2000 that is described as
" A well-known educational institution, Lorven Educational Centre in Chandapura, Bangalore was founded in the year 2001. This Schools takes pride in the holistic and innovative learning methods which have helped them raise the bar in the field of education. The centre follows a well-researched curriculum that is based on the play way method of learning. This school offers education for children in different age groups." "There are a host of other supplementary activities that children can enroll in to enhance their skill set. In a populous suburb of bangalore, this centre is situated near Opposite to Vijaya Bank of Chandapura." "Schools listing Site". just dial. com.. As is sadly common with many schools there have been many name changes as it has grown- Lorven seems common in all the names. It is no longer an orphan- I have added it to List of schools in Bangalore, doing a comparison with other schools on the list it seems to differ only in that it is only 18 years old and being better than most. It is registered with the "CISCE (Council for Indian School Certificate Examinations) - Contact Details & Location". iCBSE. Retrieved 30 November 2019.- and from their self published material appear tto be doing notably well (again no independent source yet?. There is the argument of precedent- that all the other comparable schools qualify so what makes this the exception. cc Kudpung I am tempted to be bold and contact their IT teacher and ask- and ask him for verifiable sources! I am happier doing that than making a deletion decision on absence of knowledge. ClemRutter ( talk) 21:44, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment I disagree with your absolutist binary interpretation of WP:notability, particularly when dealing with new unexplored areas. Look at the definitionm of sources, and the footnotes, including footnote 8. In saying there are no sources you must demonstrate you have made a significant attemot to find them. I am not against looking at expanding the Chandapura article- but that is not the question, we have the germ of an good article here- examining their selfpublished material and comparing that with properly WP:RS article it looks as if RS will be there all be it in Hindi! If all else has been tried, one looks for the auditors report on the public company running the organisation. Finding them is the way to go, teaching ourselves in the process of the best places to look when similar cases occur in future. (And it may help with the development of Chandapura!) ClemRutter ( talk) 19:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 12:50, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The article fails WP:NFOOTY as the RPFL is not a professional league by WP:FPL standards. HawkAussie ( talk) 22:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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As an amateur boxer, I believe he does not meet the criteria set in WP:NBOX. The link provided for his boxing career says he won the 'All Pakistan National Tournament', but I can’t find any sources to suggest the tournament is affiliated with AIBA, and that is the only final – outside of military competitions – he has reached. Hassan now competes in MMA professionally, but also does not meet the criteria set in WP:MMATIER. He has only competed in PAK Fight Club. 2. O. Boxing 22:18, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No reliable sources to establish notability. Esw01407 ( talk) 21:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 05:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This is virtually the same article as Thanos and I see virtually no difference between the two. I attempted to redirect it as it's the same subject but was inexplicably reverted, so AFDing to delete and redirect. Praxidicae ( talk) 20:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Draft and redirect it to Thanos it until it’s done correctly. Right now it’s just redundant fancruft and there is no rush of it being an article since there is already an article on Thanos. Jhenderson 777 20:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment: When and if this is ready for mainspace. This could be the place to redirect it to until it’s improved on. Jhenderson 777 20:40, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Jhenderson777 Why not to Thanos? I feel like I'm missing something here. There's an entire section covered about it there. Praxidicae ( talk) 20:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
That’s where I said to merge it to for right now. Just commenting that there may be a second option in the future. Jhenderson 777 20:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Draft per Jhenderson777 - I don't think anyone would argue that this is not a notable topic, but as it stands, there is no reason for this to be WP:SPLIT from the main Thanos article. As stated by the nom, there is currently nothing here that is not already covered there. If the article were to be fleshed out to contain more than a list of appearances and plot summaries, it would be a valid Split article, but until that is done, it should be kept in Draft. Rorshacma ( talk) 20:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply


Remember, everyone, there is still a Draft already in existence at Draft:Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe) which is where this material came from.

Sorry, just trying to emphasize the point. - 2pou ( talk) 21:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Ah I see they didn’t even page move it (which I was probably thinking they were) so that’s taken care of. Jhenderson 777 22:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Yunshui  10:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 05:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Could perhaps be redirected to Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart. But unless someone else makes the case for that, as it stands, delete. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 10:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart, where it is mentioned. In the journals, I see only primary sources, of which the most highly cited is is an article on the Nuclide Chart. There are independent mentions in two books, [12] and [13], regarding the Nuclide Chart and their decay product calculator. The book mentions are enough verifiability to support a redirect to Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart, their best-known product and where the company is mentioned in context. --{{u| Mark viking}} { Talk} 11:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: (edit conflict Mark viking above and I don't have time to re-jig): Some concern WP:BEFORE was not carried out on this and I was serious mulling if this was not a Frivolous or vexatious worthy of a WP:SCLOSE. Yes the article was lacking in citations and an an orphan seemingly through lack of some simply WP:COMPETENCY and I am desirous of letting ion particles flow till the hair stands on end ... but fundamentally we have a reasonable subject especially as J Bloggs can probably access it if they like. I'd respectfully oppose and suggestion of a merge to Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart (Acks to Headbomb for pointing out the linkage) as Nucleonica and the Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart are fundamentally different animals and the articles developed to different levels of maturity. I am convinced better strategy is to let the Nucleonica article develop on its own to wherever it gets and then consider a merge ... and Nucleonica may then be the prime article into which Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart needs to be merged. Otherwise Nucleonica would have to develop within Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart giving respect to WP:UNDUE ... its an additional constraint and may particularly affect any images that may be added. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 12:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Have worked the article a bit. Obviously Magill et al. (2009) does not count towards WP:RS. Excelsior (2015) & Forschungszentrum Jülich (2017) show satisifaction of the training requirement per subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs. at Wikipedia:NSOFT which are sufficient alone for survival. Also per WP:THREE for notability we have, with others available should one fall:
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Aljazeera Publishing. RL0919 ( talk) 05:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Website is defunct. Fails WP:NWEB, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Comment I do not see what specifically is not met in WP:NWEB. It may be that there is not SIGCOV but regarding the claim that the website is "defunct" - once something is notable it remains notable per WP:NTEMP. Lightburst ( talk) 22:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Yunshui  10:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NWEB, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Lack of reliable sources. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:33, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Weak delete. Fails WP:NWEB, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • weak Keep. the sourcesseem a little marginal, but it nonetheless seems to be a major company. DGG ( talk ) 04:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Yes there are problems, but I again find myself at an article where the nominator should have read the previous AfD, looked for at least one stonewall obvious merge, and detected suitable sources exist. I am now too long at WP:AFD for the past couple of days ... but is this WP:COMPETENCY or Frivolous or vexatious? Yes as per the previous AfD the article is WP:UGLY so positively wade in and fix it. Luckily WP:NPP hopefully stops inadequate article coming through. I guess as I'm in the UK I know of the Company better and I'd better declare I've used their website .... Djm-leighpark ( talk) 20:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I can evidence a football connections. [14] indicates sponsorship of Premier League level shirt. Said player also played for Pompey later sponsored by Pompey compeititors Jobsite (loosely connected to a litigation in one of the references I recall and at LTP somewhat close to the National Cycle Route 22 just south of MtK bridge .... Hmmm ...). Anyway the player moved to Colchester where Colchester play and Jobserve now sponsor the Colchester Community Stadium. Should be sufficent in itself. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 11:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 23:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NWEB, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - I do not believe this company meets WP:CORPDEPTH as I can find no substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. The article was created nearly ten years ago by a single-purpose account with a likely conflict of interest and is just a free advertisement for the company. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 18:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Agree with above comments. It is not wrong for a recruitment agency to have an article in Wiki provided it is being written as an informative article rather than introduction like this. This article looks more like a promotional site. Unless if someone plan to rewrite it, my vote for now is "delete". - Jay ( talk) 06:03, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Hyperbolick ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:16, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV. Störm (talk) 19:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Consensus is that individual instances of New Year's celebrations in a single city do not merit their own article. ♠ PMC(talk) 20:07, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Are individual instances of this event notable? To me it feels more like fancruft and trivia. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - the event received notable coverage in the mainstream media (ie. more than trivial mentions), and is mentioned in reliable sources which are cited in the article. It does actually meet GNG. What's the issue? Bookscale ( talk) 11:57, 21 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    Per Wikipedia:Notability (events) this is routine coverage of an individual instance of an annual event. There is no doubt that the event itself as a whole is notable, but individual instances may not necessarily be. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    Except this particular instance (which is the only one nominated) did receive coverage which is cited in the article? Bookscale ( talk) 23:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    I'm not saying the event did not receive coverage at all. I'm saying that nothing especially notable/out of the ordinary happened, and all of the sources covering this specific edition were just routine coverage of it either as an upcoming or completed event. In this situation, routine coverage is not a sufficient basis of a claim of notability. Any notable detail relevant to this particular edition, with citations, could be covered in a table/list of sorts on the article for Sydney New Year's Eve itself. I do not see any other New Year's Eve celebration, or fireworks show, have articles for individual editions like this. ViperSnake151  Talk  01:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete — This is a difficult case because it did receive notable coverage, but there does not seem to be anything special about this year, over any other year, to deserve such notice. As Jack Upland says, there is nothing worthwhile in the article. -- Bduke ( talk) 01:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Outside of different fireworks theming and performers, generally NYE celebrations usually follow the same template every year; outside of millenium/turn of the century/national centennial celebrations, these usually shouldn't get callout with their own article. The main article already covers it well in summary form. Nate ( chatter) 08:41, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - but it has notable coverage supported by reliable sources, it actually meets GNG. Saying "There shouldn't be a separate article" is just saying that you don't like the fact that such an article exists. You need to explain why. Bookscale ( talk) 11:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • I'm going to say Keep because no real argument of any merit has been put forward to justify deletion. At worst the page should be merged, not deleted. Bookscale ( talk) 10:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
    • Comment This would have no traffic as a redirect (outside of professional sports seasons, we usually find historically very few "20xx-xy" redirects get any traction), and the 14th anniversary of anything usually doesn't merit much for a redirect. Nate ( chatter) 04:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
      • Comment - the article is sourced well and the sources can be used on the main article. It would be a waste to just delete the article. And there are other NYE pages as well. Bookscale ( talk) 05:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
        • Comment - Classic WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The crux of my argument is that yes, there is no doubt Sydney New Year's Eve as an event franchise is notable, and other notable New Year's celebrations have articles. But they don't have individualized articles for each edition like it's a sporting event, since they are very routine and rigidly structured, and they often do not have enough variance to even have distinctive articles (any difference between editions, especially if it a specific tradition such as the bridge effects, can be easily covered in a relevant section of the parent article). The General Notability Guideline (GNG) is only a presumption of notability, and Events have their own specific notability criteria based on consensus. In particular, Notable events "usually receive coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle" and must receive "significant or in-depth coverage". It is clear based on other criteria that the event as an annual event meets the notability criteria. However, a specific instance of the event in a specific year does not, because it only receives coverage during the news cycle immediately around New Year's Eve, and this coverage only constitutes "routine" coverage that, alone, is not enough to justify an entirely separate article. It's like how television series often do not have articles for individual episodes unless they have been proven to be critically notable in their own right. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
          • Comment - read GNG - "A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right". If it meets GNG (which it does), then it does not also need to meet the event page. The sources cited in the article are not routine. The page is notable enough. Your arguments are just pretence that you don't like the article and want to get rid of it, but there's no Wikipedia policy that the article infringes. Bookscale ( talk) 23:38, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
            • Comment' Once again, neither ViperSnake or I hate this article. It's a fine article if you're really interested in this topic...but that's why Wikia exists. Here, we're describing a run-of-the-mill edition of the ceremony, the fourteenth version. You take out the extraneous information about what song they didn't use (the layman doesn't know this extra information and doesn't care), a modified version of the other (ceremonies have cute entendre versions of songs to go with their shows all the time), and a play-by-play of the telecast and the soundtrack of what played during the fireworks (perfect for a Spotify playlist, not needed here), we don't have a full-length article here. Unless there was some kind of tragic incident, the aftermath section of everyone leaving and going home literally happens after every ceremony in the history of humanity.
I repeat again, this is a paragraph or two of information we need, at most. It is covered in perfect, short and clear detail in Sydney New Year's Eve#2007–09. This entire series of articles needs to go as it is of interest to only a select few people, and is all easily summarized in a number of paragraphs of prose and tables in the main article. This is my last comment here, because you are getting annoyed about something nobody else is. Step back and stop taking every delete vote! as some kind of personal attack against fireworks in Sydney. Nate ( chatter) 00:21, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment - I'm not taking this as a personal attack, and I don't care about the article one way or the other, I'm just tired of AfD after AfD which are just articles a particular editor doesn't like, with some poorly-thought out reason to try to justify it. If you think that the article should be merged, that's not a reason for deleting the article, and none of the editors who have posted here have really put forward anything justifying why the article should be deleted. At worst, the consensus is to merge the content into the above article, but that should never have been put forward as an AfD if that was the case. Bookscale ( talk) 00:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Defunct media outlet, no sign of any notable sources available. Page seems to have been created by someone connected to the organisation, who has previously had similar pages removed through speedy deletion Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 23:28, 11 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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As stated in for the Zimbabwe Metro, something does not lose its notability if it is defunct. This is a topic that is completely worthwhile of staying in Wikipedia. SuperChris ( talk) 16:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your comment SuperChris - never suggested that, in my opinion it doesn’t have notability whether or not it’s defunct. I cannot find evidence of substantial secondary sources. If you can then please can I urge you to add them to the article. Thanks. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 22:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Organization has been around since 2009 and the best sources are still about routine startup funding rounds? There's no demonstration of sustained, in-depth coverage per WP:CORPDEPTH. ☆ Bri ( talk) 18:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep For the purposes of references to establish notability, analyst reports are deemed acceptable. This company has been covered by both Forrester and WBR Insights and has also been written about by Gartner. Topic therefore meets GNG/NCORP. HighKing ++ 15:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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The article only includes various publications where the artist, its record label, and producers advertise or speak about the work. Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability, as all the interviews and reviews talk about the album as a whole, therefore the material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created.

Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts → bubbling chart and not notable Has won one or more significant awards or honors → no Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups. → Only Drake is the notable one.

All of this according to WP:NS. MarioSoulTruthFan ( talk) 20:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - There are a lot of references in this article, and many are album reviews, but many are not, such as the article on baseball songs and the articles about the collaboration with Lil Wayne... Rlendog ( talk) 12:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Verifiability is not enough, on its own, to avoid deletion. Topic must also be notable and there has been no claim that this topic is notable. Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not notable. Marketing term. The internetz has multiple copies of this nonsense, but nothing we could use Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 16:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 16:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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This article currently fails to establish notability. The reception is trivial. The previous AfD keep rationales were fairly nonsensical. TTN ( talk) 16:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 16:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Pure fan-based article, incorporating biographical information on a fictional character that lacks no sources and is purely Original Research. Lack of proper notability for the character receiving a personal article at all; unlike characters such as Sherlock Holmes, Superman, and Bugs Bunny, all who have extensive backgrounds within their medium of media work, this character is only in one programme and is only notable for being a part of a notable British comedy sitcom. Parts of the information would be better suited to be placed within the respective section detailing the main characters of the programme 'Allo 'Allo, within List of 'Allo 'Allo! characters, but the rest of it should be deleted. GUtt01 ( talk) 15:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 16:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Trivial list of toys that fails to establish notability. TTN ( talk) 15:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 01:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Unsourced, unfocused, and no evidence that fictional nannies are notable as a group. Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 ( talk) 15:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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 Comment: I found several reputable sources in Slovene language: an article on the portal MMC (by Slovene national TV), and two national newspapers: Dnevnik and Delo, so no need to presume notability. I'm available for translating, if needed. — Yerpo Eh? 08:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC) reply

I am not sure if those articles demonstrate sufficient notability - two are about the fact that he signed for the club and another one that he extended his stay. This sounds rather a routine coverage one could expect for sportspeople. -- Tone 16:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Well, they do contain data about his career up to the point of signing up. — Yerpo Eh? 13:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Appears to be a non-notable band. The only source is a simple track listing for one album. No evidence of the multiple, non-trivial, published works required for WP:GNG. Doesn't meet any of the criteria for WP:NMUSIC. Article was WP:PROD-ed but the tag was removed, so coming here for discussion. The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 15:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete as I have not been able to find any useful sources in Swedish. That English-language sources are scarce is not odd as they don't seem to have had an international career, but notability could have been shown if there had been significant coverage in Swedish sources. However, there aren't – I found one discussion of their work in a blog [17], and one trivial mention of them in a newspaper article about 70s nostalgia [18], and that's all except for some track listings like the one in the article. -- bonadea contributions talk 21:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 15:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NBIO, looks like this was written to promote the subject. While there are 13 sources, none are in-depth independent coverage; all are self-published, primary, interviews, passing mentions, etc. MB 14:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 16:39, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Was deprodded with no improvement and the rationale, "Fixed typo". Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSOLDIER. Onel5969 TT me 14:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 15:24, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Google search returns zero hits [19]. The name sounds Bulgarian, so I tried searching in Cyrillic script [20], but again nothing. Looks like a hoax. Vanjagenije (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. G5. Author's sockpuppet blocked. – bradv 🍁 14:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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need to be reviewed Rooptera ( talk) 14:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 ( talk) 15:37, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:ORGCRIT. Unsourced since creation 13 years ago, and attempts at speedy deletion and PROD have been reverted. The key claim to notability here is that the company has won an Emmy Award for studio set design [21], but it has been noted before that Emmy Awards are given out for almost everything in the television industry, and not all Emmy Awards are notable. In addition, this doesn't seem to have been noted outside of the industry – other coverage is just press releases [22], [23], [24], [25] and attendance at industry expos [26]. Richard3120 ( talk) 13:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 15:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Defunct website. No external references or claim to notability. Rathfelder ( talk) 13:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Consensus was the subject passes WP:GNG. Consensus was also that per WP:NOTCLEANUP, the article can stay. (non-admin closure) Rollidan ( talk) 19:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Came here from this Help Desk request to delete the page. The request is not reasonable, but I found no sources online so WP:GNG applies.

I am somewhat annoyed because I can find circumstancial evidence that it was somewhat known in the UK, but nothing allowing proper sourcing. For instance this Guardian gallery from 2008 about a local journal says Andy Burnham (...) sold his Raleigh Grifter though the Journal’s classified section (...). It is a passing mention so worth nothing for notability, but the reader is apparently expected to know what a "Raleigh Grifter" is. Tigraan Click here to contact me 12:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Delete: The article written is purely fictious and is responsible for spreading false information during its time on the net. As a Encyclopedia, surely information needs to be sourced and referenced correctly? The two added sources are not useable as the first is a picture of a Raleigh Grifter, and it's incorrectly anotated. The second source is a magazine article and it doesn't even mention the Raleigh Grifter? The article written also offends Raleigh Grifter enthusiasts, as the article refers to the Grifter and a bridge between the Raleigh Chopper and the BMX?? Wrong too. It insults the Grifter by referring to it as "Its frame was very similar to the Raleigh Twenty Shopper bicycle, but with a front triangle which resembled an upside down Chopper frame." The rest of the article is also wrong on dates, production models, colours and incorrect terminology. It is guess work at its best and it really does need to be deleted. It's also worth pointing out that the Raleigh Grifter was made by Raleigh of England, Nottingham. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raleigh Grifter Forum ( talkcontribs) BLOCKED. Britishfinance ( talk) 18:28, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply

  • Section 3.3.3 of the second reference, entitled "First response to BMX" begins "The next follow-up to the Chopper was the Grifter, launched three years later, in June 1976...". AllyD ( talk) 22:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Oh... ONE reference to the word Grifter. Still not a valid referenced source thou is it? BLOCKED. Britishfinance ( talk) 18:28, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was moved back to userspace. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 14:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Seems to be a personal essay for a school project, but not actually in userspace. CoconutOctopus talk 12:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Consensus was the subject passes W:NOLY and is thereby presumed notable. (non-admin closure) Rollidan ( talk) 20:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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I don't think this person is notable enough for an article and the handful of citations are self published links. Alligators1974 ( talk) 12:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Keep per WP:NOLY. He competed in two Winter Olympics in bobsleigh. That falls under the rules. Chris ( talk) 23:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The main arguments in favor of keep were variations of WP:ITSNOTABLE without backup, and that this was a list with a lot of blue links. However, most of the bluelinks are redirects to other lists, some of them up for deletion themselves. – sgeureka tc 08:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Mostly "referenced" by primary sources. No independent significance. Clarityfiend ( talk) 09:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - While there is currently the start of an effort to restructure D&D articles, this really has no place on Wikipedia currently. These are simply plot elements without any non-primary context and can constitute game guide information under a certain light. They really provide no greater context to the topic. They simply exist here as part of this 2006 Wikipedia holdover. If notability for the grouping can be established, it severely should be culled similarly to the monster lists. If there are notable articles under this structure, I'd say they definitely number less than five, so a list even for those would be unneeded. TTN ( talk) 12:32, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • I'd also be fine with a very selective merge to the below-mentioned section, but only in the form of one to three paragraphs of summary style material depending on weight or a very key selection of the most important 5-10 characters to best illustrate the topic. TTN ( talk) 13:30, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • No clue. Anonymous editors on obscure D&D articles is pretty common, especially reviving them. They'll often undo a redirect, update something, and then re-redirect it. I've always assumed it's an active user from the space logging out for whatever reason. TTN ( talk) 05:05, 20 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yeah, no idea. Given the dates, I can only assume those edits were prompted by this discussion, but to what purpose, I haven't a clue. As TTN said, anonymous IP editors undoing Redirects for minor D&D articles that had been previously decided in a discussion is fairly common (I run into it all the time when looking at the multitude of non-notable monster articles), but the purpose of this particular set of edits leaves me a bit mystified. Rorshacma ( talk) 14:47, 20 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - No evidence of real-world notability, just as list of in-universe errata. ValarianB ( talk) 14:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The purpose of this list is to centrally locate and collate the list of Forgotten Realms fictional deities, many of which have either gone through, or are going through, the deletion process already. All of these are legitimately things interested parties might search for, and most if not all of them are things which are not in themselves notable enough to have their own article. Keeping this article provides a legitimate merge and redirect target for all of them, provides an explain of what the subject matter is, and a limited explanation of each entry. Removing the article orphans multiple redirects which currently exist for valid search terms. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 00:38, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • That seems to have an initial assumption that any of them are necessary to cover in the first place. There seem to be maybe two or three that are actually notable. TTN ( talk) 00:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 12:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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lots of dependent coverage and trivial coverage but absence of significant, in-depth, fully independent and reliable coverage on subject that develops general notability. Reviewing the article history revealed that it was created by an undisclosed paid editor who has since been blocked. Graywalls ( talk) 09:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment some of the sources are clearly not what we'd consider reliable and independent. This article for example, is credited "By Staff for Chrysler 200". The video clearly says "SPONSORED", and at the bottom of the page, Esquire clarifies that "Esquire participates in various affiliate marketing programs, which means we may get paid commissions on editorially chosen products purchased through our links to retailer sites." Vexations ( talk) 13:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Vexations: Yep. The article creator was banned for undisclosed paid editing involving multiple articles. All this aside, I don't find that this particular article subject merits enough notability to justify remaining in place hence deletion nomination. Graywalls ( talk) 15:37, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 11:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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As written, fails WP:NBIO and I don't see any sources in English that would help. French wiki bio is longer but similarly not referenced at all. Can anyone find French sources to improve this? (This was prodded ~5 years ago but nobody improved this since). Time to find sources or delete it, I think Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 12:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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There does not appear to be sufficient significant coverage in independent, reliable sources to suggest this passes the general notability guideline. SITH (talk) 12:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Strong Delete: In addition to what you said, the article reads like an advertisement. WP:NOTADVERTISING No sources came up during my quick search. I see no reference to Japanese sources being ever found. Looking at that old discussion shows how much Wikipedia has changed, as they were defending it solely by how many hits Google brought up for it. Bluedude588 ( talk) 15:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 12:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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I'm renominating as consensus wasn't gained in March. The rationale for deletion is that this appears to fail web and general notability guidelines due to a lack of independent, reliable sources giving the game significant coverage. SITH (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Yunshui  10:51, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Searches for references, citations or even mentions of the book on Google, WorldCat and JSTOR don't turn up significant coverage in independent, reliable sources and therefore I don't think this meets the general notability guideline. SITH (talk) 11:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy delete. Article deleted by User:Jimfbleak. – bradv 🍁 14:36, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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too promotional and lacks enough coverage to pass wp:gng, a clear case of wp:promo Rooptera ( talk) 09:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Seem to have mere coverage, not enough to pass wp:nactor Rooptera ( talk) 09:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Delete- fails WP:ENT. Andrew Base ( talk) 10:22, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Yunshui  10:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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I proposed deletion back in 2011. My rationale then was "Non-notable comics character. No reliable sources cited." The template was removed and an encyclopedia of fictional characters was added in a references section (though not really cited). Eight years later, Piotrus proposed deletion again, writing " Fictional character. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails GNG/NFICTION." Though I agree that the article should be deleted, it is not eligible for proposed deletion, so I bring it here. Josh Milburn ( talk) 08:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. ♠ PMC(talk) 20:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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As written, fails WP:NBIO and I don't see any sources in English that would help. Finnish wiki bio is not longer and similarly not referenced at all. Can anyone find Finnish sources to improve this? (This was prodded ~5 years ago but nobody improved this since). Time to find sources or delete it, I think Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:15, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Just one line article. Sources are not that reliable. Brown Chocolate ( talk) 07:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy Delete. (non-admin closure) ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk 16:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable. Has 216k subscribers on YouTube. Searching him on the news section of Google brings "8 results". There isn't anything about this YouTuber that is covered by any news source. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA talk 07:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 07:09, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NWEB and WP:CORP: the current sources are both award listings (#1 from AVN, #2 a sketchy press release on a porn blog). Pornography industry awards are a dime a dozen. I looked for additional sources and found only passing mentions/namedrops/trivial coverage, PR content, and an interview with the company's founder brand's director on a "pornography review" website: nothing to fulfill WP:GNG. Cheers, gnu 57 06:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 19:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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As written, fails WP:NBIO and I don't see any sources in English that would help. Spanish wiki bio is longer but similarly not referenced much better. Can anyone find Spanish sources to improve this? (This was prodded ~5 years ago but nobody improved this since). Time to find sources or delete it, I think Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. It looks like there are uncontested claims of notability here. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 08:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Very well written piece of fancruft about a fictional location. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Not a shred of analysis. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails GNG/NFICTION. This type of content belongs on https://judgedredd.fandom.com/wiki/Mega-City_One PS. Great Cthulthu, help, I am suffering from fancruft overdose: Template:Judge_Dredd. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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This asides, at least this piece appears to treat this subject as notable though I think more are needed to demonstrate notability per WP:GNG (EDIT: maybe this one?). My instinct is that WP:GNG probably is met here as - other than Trantor - MegaCity One is one of the earliest instances of a fictional megapolis but the (very large) number of mentions in Judge Dredd-related works makes the search difficult, so for the moment I am neutral. EDIT: Flip to keep - I think the two references cited above are just enough to get this over the line for notability, in that they discuss the impact of the subject on architecture/culture. FOARP ( talk) 15:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Instead of FOARP's second suggested source, maybe this one instead: [43]. By the same person but not paywalled and focuses on MC1 instead of a list of ten locations, Richard75 ( talk) 13:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment - I'm not sure that solution addresses the notability point, it just moves it to another article. However if others think it's viable then I'm not against it. Richard75 ( talk) 13:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I don't think it's independently notable (and nobody in this discussion has linked anything demonstrating significant coverage), but as part of the Judge Dredd universe it has some mentions. And the universe itself should be more notable. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 16:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Another source (links to a .pdf file) is here: http://ualresearchonline.arts.ac.uk/6093/ . Others: http://sparkarchitects.com/mega-city-one-shenzhen-pearl-river-delta/ https://www.filmcontact.com/news/south-africa/building-dredd’s-mega-city-one https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/360814/14-814-future-cities-visual-history.pdf (.pdf file) Richard75 ( talk) 13:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 05:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fictional location. No evidence of stand-alone notability. Pure WP:PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION. AfD few years back was closed as keep with no prejudice to merge. Not sure what to merge, as almost nothing is referenced. And why keep, if it fails notability policies? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was merge to List of Forgotten Realms characters. Arguments in favor of keep relied on past AfDs and the improvement since, but this has little bearing for this AfD, which concerns the current (and projected future) state of this article. Despite some secondary sources, the article still largely fails PLOT, and consensus leaned towards that this topic shouldn't have a stand-alone article. Merge seems to be the best option under these circumstances. – sgeureka tc 08:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fictional character. The entry is long, and that's about all that it has going for it - pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails NFICTION/GNG Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Speedy Keep. This article passed the previous AFD unanimously, and then subsequently passed a related deletion review sponspored by the original nominator, also unanimously. It has been substantially modified since then to improve the referencing and reduce the in-world/ploy synopsis issues. This nomination is part of a series of nominations for deletion of fictional characters/elements by a single editor, who, by their own admission, is "suffering from fancruft overdose" (see WP:Articles for deletion/Mega-City One); and WP:FANCRUFT does not qualify as a valid argument for deletion. The character referenced by this article is a major character in a fictional series of books and as such is inherently notable. Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 16:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete or redirect. The only source is a trivial Top X list. Previous AfDs are irrelevant if enough time has passed. Articles must be assessed by current standards. There's no real world information aside from the one irrelevant source, so it fails WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. TTN ( talk) 16:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Merge to List of Forgotten Realms characters. I'm actually kind of shocked that there aren't actual useful sources on him, considering that he is one of the main characters of the Drizzt novels. But, outside of primary sources and plot summaries of those primary sources, I'm not really finding anything outside of things like brief announcements that he will be appearing in various video games or D&D adventures. The List of Forgotten Realms characters is currently a huge mess that needs some massive culling/cleaning, but Bruenor is actually one of the few characters that should probably be on it. Rorshacma ( talk) 16:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • keep I reviewed the previous AfD discussion and found the keep arguments compelling. The article has arguably improved since then and GNG remains satisfied in my opinion. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 17:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • By my count there are four secondary, independant sources on the article as it current stands (references 1, 3, 4, and 8), and four secondary but non-independant sources (2, 9, 10, and 11). As previously noted in the last AFD, the primary source material are Bob Salvatore's novels including this character (and others currently up for deletion); Bob Salvatore has specifically declared that he created and owns the characters, not Wizards of the Coast/TSR. That makes the Wizards of the Coast manuals and other game-specific publications secondary, non-independent sources ( WP:Secondary does not mean independent would seem to be applicable here). Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 17:24, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Per WP:WAF and WP:PLOT, fictional articles must be geared towards a real world perspective. If a source does not provide real world information, it cannot be said to have significant coverage on the topic, so any source that fails to do so is irrelevant. You trying to wikilawyer for primary sources to qualify as secondary does not help regardless. TTN ( talk) 17:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to List of Forgotten Realms characters. History left undeleted in case anyone thinks there is anything worth merging across. Yunshui  10:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fictional character. The entry is long, and that's about all that it has going for it - pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. Fails NFICTION/GNG Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Redirect based on current sourcing. If there is another truly notable Drizzt character, I'd imagine it'd be him, but the current two "Top X" lists are too trivial. TTN ( talk) 16:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per previous AFD and on the grounds that major recurring characters in a best-selling series remain inherently notable. (I will concur that the article is unnecessarily long and in need of a rewrite to remove the overly world-specific focus, but AFD is not cleanup.) Vulcan's Forge ( talk) 00:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. There's a debate about whether the current sourcing is sufficient, and a large part of the conversation on both sides isn't fully responded to and discussed out. That said, my read of the discussion is that consensus exists to retain the article based on its current sourcing. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 01:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this fictional location passes WP:GNG/NFICTION. Pure WP:PLOT and list of appearances in media. And frankly, a disservice to Internet users, who should be directed to a much better https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Menzoberranzan anyway Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - I did find one seemingly reliable source that actually does some in-depth analysis of the location in this book, but a single source is not really enough to pass the WP:GNG. I'm actually having a bit of trouble deciding what is the best approach to this one. While the current article is nothing but pure, primary sourced WP:PLOT information on a fictional location that shouldn't be kept, the name of the fictional city was also used as the title of several books that I've found reviews for, as well as a video game that we already have an article on. So, should this article be deleted and have the video game's article be moved to its namespace? Should the article be kept and completely rewritten to be about the coverage of the products that share its name rather than pure, crufty plot info? Should the whole thing be nuked and start over from scratch? Should it simply be Redirected to Drow, where it is already covered? The only thing I'm certain on is that the current contents of the article should largely not be kept, but I'm still undecided on the actual process we should go about when taking care of that. Rorshacma ( talk) 17:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect - My gut would say it should be able to establish notability, but reality seems to differ. Unless there are sources available, it does not need to be retained. TTN ( talk) 17:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and improve. The subject is notable and with a bit of work notability can be satisfied. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 19:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
A quick Google Scholar search reveals additional secondary sources that mention Menzoberranzan specifically. [1] [2]

[3] [4]. Question: is it normally considered good practice for a deletion nominator to do a quick Google Scholar search for secondary sources before nominating an article for deletion? AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 20:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

References

  1. ^ "Dungeons and Desktops". www.taylorfrancis.com. doi: 10.1201/9781351273404. Retrieved 2019-11-26.
  2. ^ Zdanowicz, Jessica; Handzel, Matthew; Vuong, Elaine (October 2013). "The Factory Times October 2013". {{ cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= ( help)
  3. ^ Fleischer, Stephanie Owen; Wright, Susan A.; Barnes, Matthew L. (2007), Selfe, Cynthia L.; Hawisher, Gail E.; Van Ittersum, Derek (eds.), "Dungeons, Dragons, and Discretion: A Gateway to Gaming, Technology, and Literacy", Gaming Lives in the Twenty-First Century: Literate Connections, Palgrave Macmillan US, pp. 143–160, doi: 10.1057/9780230601765_9, ISBN  978-0-230-60176-5, retrieved 2019-11-26
  4. ^ Fleischer, Stephanie Owen; Wright, Susan A.; Barnes, Matthew L. (2007), Selfe, Cynthia L.; Hawisher, Gail E.; Van Ittersum, Derek (eds.), "Dungeons, Dragons, and Discretion: A Gateway to Gaming, Technology, and Literacy", Gaming Lives in the Twenty-First Century: Literate Connections, Palgrave Macmillan US, pp. 143–160, doi: 10.1057/9780230601765_9, ISBN  978-0-230-60176-5, retrieved 2019-11-26
  • Comment That first source is actually talking about the video game of the same name, which I talked about in my above comment, rather than the fictional city that this article is about. That second reference is also not about the subject at all. Its only mention of the city is stating that in the MMO Neverwinter (video game), one of the classes you can choose is a "Menzoberranzan Renegade", and that is it. It doesn't talk about the city at all. Its also from a student-run publication at a college, so I'm not sure if it would even count as a reliable source, in any case. Rorshacma ( talk) 20:18, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Along with the video game, Menzoberranzan has been a the setting (or key location) for a bunch of Forgotten Realms novels & has been detailed in a few D&D sourcebooks. I'll try to list them here (but given the 30+ Drizzt books that I'm not super familiar with, I'll probably miss a few) Sariel Xilo ( talk) 23:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC): reply
  • Novels: Legend of Drizzt series (Homeland, Exile, Starless Night, Siege of Darkness); Starlight & Shadows series (Daughter of the Drow, Tangled Webs, Windwalker (minor mention at the end)); War of the Spider Queen series (Dissolution, Insurrection, Condemnation, Extinction, Annihilation, Resurrection); Neverwinter Saga (Charon's Claw), Companions Codex (Night of the Hunter, Rise of the King, Vengeance of the Iron Dwarf); Homecoming (Archmage, Maestro, Hero); A Reader's Guide to R. A. Salvatore's the Legend of Drizzt.
  • Sourcebooks: Menzoberranzan (2E boxed set, 1992); Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (3E, 2001); Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (4E, 2008); Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue (Edition-neutral campaign setting published during 4E, 2012); Out of the Abyss (5E adventure book, 2015)
  • Primary sources have nothing to do with Notability. I'm not sure if you're thinking of the wrong article, but Neverwinter appears to never have been nominated and has the same issues as this article. TTN ( talk) 23:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Googlehits (I always love learning a new blue ink term) refers to citing the number of hits as an argument whereas I have posted links to sources. My comment about Google Scholar refers to the ease with which I was able to find sources rather than the number of hits. On an unrelated note, thanks to the editor for cleaning up my citations. Is there a reason why, other than gatekeeping,the visual editor doesn't work here? Are my settings off? AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 07:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
@ AugusteBlanqui: I am not sure about the code (but you can see how it was fixed in the history tab, as well as by whom). But Googlehits also refers to citing random sources that come up in GOOGLEHIT search, without presenting any evidence that said source is relevant. For example, I have reviewed your first source, [44], and not only it is a mention in passing, but it is about Menzoberranzan (video game), which is a separate (if related) topic. This suggests to me that you have not looked at said sources, just typed the search phrase into google, and reported here some reliable looking results without bothering to check what they say about this topic. The second source doesn't want to open for me (Google Chrome warning about potentially malicious website). The third source [45] is the very definition of a mention in passing (in fact, the entire sentence here consists of the mention of the city name, the location itself is hardly discussed outside maybe a single sentence). Sorry, but this is no different from "citing the number of hits" - you just cited four 'nicer' hits, as far as I am concerned. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I reviewed the sources and I disagree with your assessment of them. They clearly indicate the importance of the topic of the article as a fictional setting. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 10:44, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
This lovely text devotes an entire chapter (chapter 9, "Menzoberranzan: A Perfect Unjust State," to Menzoberranzan [1] AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 11:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Given your prior sources were bad or worse, and this source doesn't appear in Google Books preview mode, can you provide us with either a quotation or a screenshot, to back up your claim? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:05, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Again, you're offering a subjective assessment of the sources with which I disagree; in terms of establishing GNG they are more than apt. As for this philosophy book, request it through ILL if you can or look up a review of it through a library database. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 11:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
There's a pop culture philosophy series that the book is part of, and the book is a collection of essays with an overarching editor - Chapter 9 is on the philosophy of this particular fictional place, written by someone whose only other citation is writing about Star Wars. I haven't seen the article but I've read the summary, and I cannot determine whether that source satisfies WP:GNG as I can't determine if it's reliable or independent, or if it represents WP:SIGCOV. SportingFlyer T· C 11:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
It's a well-known series in the field. You can read about it here: https://andphilosophy.com/about/. William Irwin is the series editor and Blackwell is a well-known press. I'm not sure if this is behind a paywall or not but this review of the book is complimentary.13:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)'
Yes, that's paywalled. I'm familiar with the series, I received a copy as a gift once of another book. I'm just not entirely convinced of its editorial standards - as you know they cater to fans of specific pop culture subjects, and I'm not sure how I would analyse anything written within those books on notability grounds - I'm not completely dismissing it, but I think there's a very good question as to where it lies on the "fan fiction to reliable source" scale. SportingFlyer T· C 13:28, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
If considered a proper source, it definitely provides enough analysis when looking through the text of it. Though that is the only source so far I'd consider to be actually worthwhile, so I'm still of the opinion to redirect. The source definitely would be good to use on a Drow article. TTN ( talk) 13:46, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Oh it's definitely a good source. From the paywalled review: "This is not a book written with literature scholars in mind. Nor is it a book primarily about literature. But for anyone interested in taking up the scholarly study of roleplaying games, Dungeons and Dragons and Philosophy presents a number of interesting ideas and entry points. The essays are readable enough to work for undergraduate students; the best of them nicely demonstrate how popular culture in general and roleplaying games in particular could benefit from a critical perspective. Certainly, some essays are not brilliant and some authors seem more interested in teaching the reader better ways to play the game. I would also have much preferred separate bibliographies for each chapter, but, on the whole, reading the book was time well spent." Ekman, Stefan. Dungeons and Dragons and Philosophy: Raiding the Temple of Wisdom, Ekman, Stefan. Extrapolation; Liverpool Vol. 55, Iss. 2,  (2014): 258-261. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 09:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply
* Comment I don't have access to the Hummel piece but it receives a mention in a journal review: Canavan, A. (2015). Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts, 26(3 (94)), 573-576. Retrieved from www.jstor.org/stable/26321182
  • Quote: "Dungeons & Dragons and Philosophy is a new volume in Blackwell's long running Philosophy and Pop Culture series. [...] It appears that Dungeons & Dragons and Philosophy has two major goals. The first is the series' overarching goal of demonstrating that philosophy is not a dusty, dry subject. [...] The second is to use Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) to illustrate philosophical questions and to test philosophical theory [...]. In part four, Matt Hummel's essay, "Menzoberranzan: A Perfect Unjust State," uses the infamous Drow city to discuss notions of justice and injustice". Sariel Xilo ( talk) 16:11, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I just don't see this being notable. There's a lot of sources, but it's a fictional place and there's barely any significant coverage - it gets a couple blurbs in a couple book reviews, and there was a video game named after it which was a good sign - but I'd like those who want to keep this to answer, which are the WP:THREE best sources which support its notability? I've gone thru all of them and the reviews above (apart from the second one as my browser flagged me from continuing) and am strongly leaning delete, but want to see where the !keeps are coming from as I've never heard of this before, and there are a number of passionate contributors here. SportingFlyer T· C 09:59, 28 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Bas-Lag. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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No evidence this fictional location passes WP:GNG/NFICTION. Pure PLOT. Prior AfD is a wonderful keep triumvirate of WP:GOOGLEHITS, WP:PRIMARY sources are sufficient, and WP:ITSIMPORTANT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, without prejudice against refunding to draft through the usual channels, if editors think that the deficiencies identified can be fixed there. BD2412 T 17:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:PROF -- I am unable to find any highly cited work that shows him an influence on his field. The only claim to notability is the Padma Shri, but this is a 4th level award, and if his career is representative, is routine for people in administrative positions.

There are many other individuals in medicine in the same situation-- see . I am nominating two other individuals, considering this and the adjacent AfDs as test cases. DGG ( talk ) 04:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep per WP:ANYBIO. Padma Shri is a fourth level civilian award in India, a country of over 1.35 billion people, and the total number of awardees is only 2840 people in its history of 65 years. Another claim of the subject of the article to notability is that he served as the honorary physician to three Indian Presidents. The generally agreed norm is that if a subject satisfies one of the several criteria of notability, we keep the article in. Here, the subject satisfies WP:ANYBIO and applying another criterion is not called for. Further, WP:PROF does not apply here as the subject cannot be termed as an academic in the true sense of the term. Another valid point to note is that the WP:PROF advises This guideline is independent from the other subject-specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH etc. and is explicitly listed as an alternative to the general notability guideline. It is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way under the general notability guideline or one of the other subject-specific notability guidelines. -- jojo@nthony ( talk) 05:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: (I've gandered at this as jojo@nthony/Tachs is on my watchlist probably from a long gone AFD/DRV). I've rescued various dead links to see what they but roughly speaking they mostly seem to be of directory entries all the information of note seems to be at [46] but maybe the best bits didn't make the article. The "Rajiv Gandhi Excellence Award 1994 for outstanding achivements in Pyschiatry & Neurology" may be relevant and I'd wonder exactly what Colombo Plan Fellowship meant (maybe a tad here [47]. I confess to being unimpressed by awards unless more solid reasons for the awards are given. I'd also not the appointment here: [48]. There a little about him on this ppt ... indirectly seemls to imply he has died (but by no means certain) [49]. Very likely associated with the "Buckshey Award" [50] which also has glimpse mention on 978-1600218569 P.216. Possibly not quite enough demonstrable at present but access to 1950s to early 2000s online can be patchy. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 09:04, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I'm leaning keep but it is very tight. He seem through the middle part of the transition of mental health provisioning in Dehli and seems held in high regard by the local Delhi Psychiatric Society. A good article on the HMD would be better but we dont have it and a couple more dates on his career. I've worked some things roughly into the article but it needs a tidy and I've lost the refs I need for the cn's. Unless there is some substance and story behind awards to explain why they are given I'd probably lean delete. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 23:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Repeating my comment elsewhere, awards are given in many countries in the East and the West, based on political connections and India is no exception. But that should not stand in the way of impartially assessing an honour. There were people who thought the Nobel Prize for Literature given to Bob Dylan was an indiscretion, but that does not tarnish the highest literary honour in the world.-- jojo@nthony ( talk) 14:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Are you proposing that we obtain a list of all the fourth-level Padma awardees since 1954 and create Wikpedia articles on each of them? That would be the unmistakable inference of your argument. Like this gentleman, nothing else would be needed by way of establishing notability. If you have sources other than the fluff the article is currently bedaubed with, please produce them here. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
This article has been created with the premise that, Padma Shri, being a major award, makes P. B. Buckshey, a recipient of the award, notable per WP:ANYBIO. I am semi-retired from Wikipedia and got involved in this discussion only after getting the notification regarding the deletion process. During my 14 years or more here at Wikipedia, I have seen someone developing the article in due course, like many of the stubs before, if the stub does not get deleted before that. -- jojo@nthony ( talk) 12:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Tachs: This claim is virtually key to your defence and I would hope closes/relists give guidance. My best albeit imperfect thinking on this is given on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh test case. This article does not rely on that award in my opinion. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 21:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Per my comment above. While the subject has been awarded a Padma Shri the article is not majorly dependent on the award as per say Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla at this point. To be clear (and I may be wrong) Buckshey likely does not massively outstand in prowess ... it is more with the time period and dearth of provisioning that he worked and recognition by successors. I am somewhat minded of this discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Battersbee, plays one game of cricket on one single and gets to have an article! (Given the travelling logistics at the time it does actually add to the value). For Buckshey one has to context of Delhi in the 1950s-1990s ... rather than Boston in the 20th century. Awards can at times be tainted anyway ... in the UK we have controversies such as [51]. So I am minded to be wary of an award in itself unless the article can demonstrate a little more behind it, as to an extent this one can. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 06:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply
You are attempting to bend over backward for people who have nothing but fluff to recommend them. It wasn't just Boston in the 20th century, there were plenty of London and Chicago there. If you don't like the 20th century, I can produce the 21st. Here is an example of a 21st-century Boston psychiatrist who does not have a Wikipedia page. If you don't think he is notable, please take a look at some of the other people on the scientific advisory panel listed on the left, which includes two Nobel laureates. If you don't like psychiatry and Boston, here is a 21st-century historical demographer in England. He doesn't have a Wikipedia page either. My point is that when people are notable, it does not take a rocket scientist or a Hegalian dialectician to figure it out. If you are grasping at straws, then they are not notable. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 06:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Fowler&fowler: Outrageous! You have just insulted those who award the Padma Shri of India as fluff let alone honorable members of the Delhi Psychiatric Society! Djm-leighpark ( talk) 07:52, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
I haven't insulted anyone, only stated the obvious that the three people up for deletion do not have anything by way of scholarly sources to recommend them. The fourth-level Padma award is not a reliable scholarly source. There are at least a hundred psychiatrists in the US who are more notable in the field of psychiatry by Wikipedia's rules than any psychiatrist in Delhi, but who do not have Wikipedia pages. I'm not insulting anyone. I know the scene there. The best-known psychotherapist in Delhi (who has now retired and moved away), Sudhir Kakar, is a lay-psychoanalyst, i.e. with a Ph. D. but not a medical degree, and does not have the Padma award to my knowledge, though he is very notable. India is a conservative society. Going to therapy, acknowledging psychiatric issues is not yet a part of its culture even among the wealthy urban classes, let alone among the rural poor. Bharat Vatwani, the Mumbai psychiatrist, who recently won the Ramon Magsaysay Award, but who also does not have any Padma recognition, had this to say:

"Nearly 15% of Indian adults suffer from some form of mental illness. This translates to more than 180 million people in the country, though only a minuscule number have access to the necessary medical facilities. There is a severe shortage of psychiatrists, especially in rural areas. According to Vatwani, “Over 80% of the government hospitals in India do not have a psychiatrist. One of the main reasons being that many Indian psychiatrists prefer to move abroad, for better prospects. There are less than 4,000 practising psychiatrists in a nation of over a billion people!” Of the people who do have access to professional help, very few are willing to seek it. Mental illness continues to be largely a taboo subject in India." (See here).

I could go on, but what would be the point of it? But please do not feign outrage, and please do not attempt faux respect, i.e be paternalistic, by calling the Delhi Psychiatric Society "honorable." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
PS As for the "honorable" bodies, this is what the Indian Psychiatric Society does, in reaction to a recent Lancet Editorial on Kashmir. They will be rewarded by their government with the Padmas. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Fowler&fowler: You can't even keep focus on the entities and time periods mentioned, and appear to have a pro US bias that you cannot contain. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 21:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Djm-leighpark It must be a small wonder then that with that lack of focus I managed to write so many articles on India, including the FA India. See my user page. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Fowler&fowler The FA may be grand but we're on the stub/start groundfloor here. I was looking more at Philip Holzman where there is little on article source or little use of source content, a failing somewhat akin to the DGG example three. However I won't test Holzman at with a [[WP:POINT]y AfD as I'd half to ignore the WP:BEFORE on the Professor/Emeritus if nothing else. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 21:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Djm-leighpark But you can't. See the avalanche of sources, scholarly no less, not just reliable, that will come tumbling down your way if you do. I don't think you understood my point earlier, where I said, that I have written articles on psychiatrists that have only one source, implying that at a minute's notice they can be supplemented with the dozens that exist out there and that properly belong to the article, but that because of my laziness and inattention and others' lack of interest, are not there. Here, on the other hand, we have a monumental vacuum of sources, a nothingness. More seriously, this page does a disservice to encyclopedicity in Wikipedia, to India, to Indian psychiatry, for it lowers the credibility of those that properly belong there. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Fowler&fowler: Of course I don't understand you. Credit or discredit is strangely irrevelant in the page entity. Multidimension and not tunnel is what I say. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:29, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Djm-leighpark I gave you a restricted offering of sources on Holzman, confining the search to university presses, with "preview available." Otherwise, in fuller dimension, there are 305 sources for Holzman in Google Books alone. Please attempt that deletion discussion on Holzman. I'll eat my shoe if it lasts more than a few minutes, that is, if I am informed. Seriously, what the heck are you doing here, endlessly arguing with no content to the argument? This is not an ego issue; it has to do with lack of encyclopedic information in a bogus page, not about Holzman, one of the great psychiatrists of recent times. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Djm-leighpark: Tangoing takes two. Due process indicated to me a WP:BEFORE on Holzman would fail, it is therefore inppropriate to attempt it. I did consider doi. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
@ Djm-leighpark :) Well, even if all this does nothing for Mr Buckshee, it will help improve the Holzman article. What is doi? Do you mean WP:DOI? That is not a bad idea. Meanwhile, just a minute ago, I noticed that Holzman is the author of the article "Personality," in Encyclopedia Britannica. There was a long obituary (not paid) about him in the New York Times in 2004, and an even longer obituary in the journal Nature. The latter two will help in elaborating the biographical section. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 23:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per WP:ANYBIO. WP:India contributor here, so believe I can present more insight on the awards and subject notability. The Padma Shree is given to persons with large social contributions, which generally makes them notable for an article. There may be exceptions but this subject is not one. In addition he has also won several other prestigious awards. "Dr. Buckshey was honoured with Padmashri Award. Shiromani Award for outstanding achivements in Psychiatry and Neurology, Eminent Citizen of India Award 1994, Rajiv Gandhi Excellence Award 1994 for outstanding achivements in Pyschiatry & Neurology, Ati Param Visisht Chikitsa Medal 1997 etc." as mentioned in this source-- DBig Xray 08:33, 29 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The is also the matter of the WP:PROF/ WP:NACADEMIC sated by National professor of psychiatry and neurosciences. As in all these test cases can I ask for experienced closers/relisters only please and comments to be left in either case. thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 06:38, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment about other articles When I checked our category of those who had received the awards, at least 1/3 were unambiguously notable. So either we are getting all the notable ones, or the entire list does have to be checked to see if there are notable ones we have not covered. I would strongly support (and am willing to work on revising) articles on every one of them who do meet the usual standards. I have always advocated intensive work on all areas that are under-covered here to find the notable people. DGG ( talk ) 18:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment about sourcing I don't think the unavailability of sources for the modern period is actually a problem--the articles do document what the people have done. Where it would be a real problem is for the British period. DGG ( talk ) 18:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment On the contrary, the British period is impeccably documented. (Examine the naturalists of British India on my user page.) It is the post-independence period, especially the last 40 years, that are increasingly troublesome. Witness this physician. Please note the extraordinarily unreliable sources: a powerpoint of an informal annual gathering being dressed up to look like journal article, alumni group entries being used for sourcing, WP:OR in the form of looking up voter lists and directories of the Indian Psychiatric Association; WP:SYNTHESIS in the form of randomly throwing in a reliable source (the only one in the article) that does not reference Buckshey to piece together a sentence about him being active during a time in which Delhi (which is consistently misspelled) had few psychiatrists. What exactly is a neuro-physician anyway? It is not a term of English, nor of any regional variety of English. Such is the frenetic refurbishment, a snow job, that has been done on the article in the last few days. (Contrast with Philip Holzman that I expanded in a few hours last night, or Arnold Modell that I will also expand.) Whosoever attempts to close this will need to examine the sources with the eyes of a hawk. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Fellowship in the International Medical Sciences Academy is not enough by itself (honorary fellowship might be enough). And apart from that, and apart from the protestations and special pleading above, we still don't have enough in-depth independent reliable sourcing about the subject for WP:GNG. — David Eppstein ( talk) 21:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. We need to be sceptical of articles that list a lot of minor honors and this is one of those. Colombo Plan, "records of giving psychiatry", assistant director of something, and fourth highest civilian award are all fairly minor. Large numbers of professional people can claim similar "honors" without being notable. More often than not, these things merely come with the territory. -- regentspark ( comment) 23:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: To be clear Jiloha & Kukreti (2018) is not claimed as a WP:RS for notability purposes. To quote Dorcas Lane "My on weakness ..." my spelling. I've addressed some recent comments about in the article. While recent comments trumpet Holzman and his article and need to start placing the emphasis of on some passing references that simply and rightfully are used to date parts of the biography to shift focus from Nacadmic claim which is ignored.07:03, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete - agreed with argument above. Not enough in-depth independent sourcing - Jay ( talk) 05:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
A late !vote that completely fails to address the neither notability claim of WP:NACADEMIC (national professor) which is thus standing. It has also been presented that Padma Shree sating WP:ANYBIO is sufficient for notability; (my pragmatic but possibly unorthodox view on that honour is that it is a counter towards WP:SIGCOV however closer will also note that this point has been widely discussed across this AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla). Djm-leighpark ( talk) 08:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Yunshui  10:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Food reviewer with no evidence of notability. Sources are all examples of his work. Nothing with anybody talking about him. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   21:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete per WP:42 - while there might a lot written by him, there's very little about him. Bearian ( talk) 18:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Agree with Bearian. He's prolific, but not enough written about him to make him notable. ABF992 ( talk) 02:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep As well as writing newspaper articles and broadcasting on radio, he has also written books, including American dish : 100 recipes from ten delicious decades and El Cholo cookbook : recipes and lore from California's best-loved Mexican kitchen - and there are reviews of those books (eg in the Tampa Bay Times, Florida [52], so he might well meet WP:NAUTHOR. He has also written for the Los Angeles Magazine and the Los Angeles Herald Examiner, according to articles quoting him in the Boston Globe [53] and the Newark Advocate (Newark, Ohio) [54] - the latter from a film review, so he appears to be a film critic as well. I wonder whether the nom has done WP:BEFORE, and some of the !voters don't seem to have done much research either - Florida, Massachusetts and Ohio are hardly "local" to Los Angeles. The article is a stub which does not provide a good summary of this person's achievements or evidence of his notability, but there is evidence that he is notable per WP:NAUTHOR #1 and probably #3 as well. If no one else does, I will try to add more info and sources to the article. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 12:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Comment - I should perhaps have said above "extensive on-line searches found nothing with anybody talking about him". Please assume good faith, otherwise your arguments sound a bit ad hominem which I am sure was not intended.   Velella   Velella Talk   14:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
Thank you for your comment, Velella, and my apologies. Although I said "I wonder whether the nom has done WP:BEFORE", I do see that saying "some of the !voters don't seem to have done much research either " suggests that I was assuming that you hadn't. I didn't intend to convey that - I was really not sure from your wording (and while I do try to assume good faith, it does seem, from how they word their nominations, that some AfD nominators don't look beyond the article). It would have been clearer if I'd left out 'either'. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 09:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Andrew Base ( talk) 13:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Not sure if this is a notable person. Only claim to fame is that "She is known for playing Solveig in Irina Brook's Peer Gynt" but one (minor) part is not sufficient. Otherwise, it all seems to be inherited notabilty (her guru, where she studied, "worked with prestigious artists", who directed her etc). Depsite "Her performances have been praised throughout the world", we have only two reviews from the US from 2010 and 2011. Way beyond my area of expertise, so brought to AfD. Emeraude ( talk) 19:08, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • Strong Keep Her dance has been detailed in the Washington Post, NY Times, New Yorker, The Nation, Financial Times, The Independent, Office of the Arts, Harvard University, University of Massachusetts Amherst Fine Arts Centre, sfgate.com, villagevoice.com, The Guardian, lemonde.fr, Yale News, Les Voix Du Monde. Changing from Weak Keep to Strong Keep. scope_creep Talk 11:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep based on (a very small selection here)
  1. Detailed review in SFGate, Shantala Shivalingappa review: Solo Allan Ulrich 18 April 2013 [55]
  2. Detailed review in New Yorker, 3 November 2011 [56]
  3. Detailed review in NYTimes, 2013 [57], NYTimes 2011 [58], NYTimes 2008 [59]
  4. Detailed review in The Nation, Dec 2014 [60]
  5. BriefEarly review of performance in 2001 India Today International magazine Vol 26, Pg 91 Kuchipudi dancer Shantala Shivalingappa plays Ophelia in Peter Brook's The Tragedy of Hamlet SHE WAS ONLY 14 WHEN chosen to play Miranda in Peter Brook's production of The Tempest. Now, 10 years later, Shantala Shivalingappa is ..., [61]
From what I notice, Shantala Shivalingappa has done participated in some well known dance performances and there is coverage all the way from 1992 to present. Although I understand some of them are a bit brief, however it is very rare for someone to be covered so consistently across 2 decades. I think this is definitely notable.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 17:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • "across 2 decades"? Naughty use of language when you mean 12 years! But well done; I said when nominating this was not my area of expertise so I can accept there is coverage across a significant period of time. If that can be added to the article to show she is notable I'm happy to withdraw the nomination. Emeraude ( talk) 18:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Emeraude Actually it's across 2 decades because the earliest mention is in 1998 in Kultur Chronik The delicate Shantala Shivalingappa, who came as a guest to Wuppertal from India, is deployed with great restraint but otherwise firmly integrated in the ensemble. A tiny head movement at the start of one solo and some much slowed-down... Then 2001 (India Today), 2002 (Cahiers élisabéthains Shantala Shivalingappa's characterisation of Ophelia was also merely satisfactory. Since Laertes had been cut, she never had the chance to demonstrate Ophelia's wit or playfulness and, again, we were not especially interested in her or her..., 2003 (Hamlet in Pieces Shakespeare Revisited by Peter Brook, Robert Lepage and Robert Wilson) Shantala Shivalingappa sits on the floor as the mad Ophelia, with Toshi Tsuchitori seated directly in front of her accompanying her speech-song. Even this actual' insanity is evidently a piece of theatre. And think back to the pattern of action at, 2004 (Talking to the Audience: Shakespeare, Performance, Self) Still more frail is Shantala Shivalingappa in Brook's production, who speaks rather than sings Ophelia's songs over Tsuchitori's underscoring. Ophelia's madness cannot, it seems, be expressed as performance, despite the fact that perform with... Of course, not every one of these sources are detailed reviews. But given that she has been covered regularly over so many years, it is highly plausible that there could be more sources. which are possibly not accessibly online. In any case, I think the 5 or 6 reviews I linked in my comment should be enough for notability.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 05:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Btw, it's perfectly OK to bring articles to AFD :) In fact, were it not for AFD, perhaps this article would have languished in this state for don't know how many years. I will try to improve it by the end of this week.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 05:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
DreamLinker A wider spread than you originally gave, but still stretching the use of "across two decades". I'm just after a bit more precision numerically. "Across two decades" could be applied to a career running from 31 December 1989 to 1 January 1990, though 31 December 1999 to 1 January 2000 would be an even more impressive "across two centuries". Be that as it may, well done on securing wider sources and thanks for your anticipated improvements to the article. Emeraude ( talk) 09:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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Incorrect. 2000 and 1999 are in the same century. 2000 and 2001 you could go even further and say two milleniums... :) J 947( c), at 04:40, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. No agreement and minimal participation after two relists. RL0919 ( talk) 02:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Doesnt merit its own article. Not independently notable. Rathfelder ( talk) 21:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Personally I would think that Editorofthewiki's additional sources push this over the threshold of notability, but my personal opinion doesn't matter here; the consensus is in favour of deletion at this time. Yunshui  10:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Simply does not meet either WP:GNG, WP:NBASKETBALL, or WP:NCOLLATH. Onel5969 TT me 17:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 11:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The V-index appears to have been published once, to minimal fanfare, and then never appeared again. The site listed as the index's home page is a dead link. There's additional info here [ [69]] TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable producer. I'm going through the list of Unreferenced BLPs with the intention of finding suitable WP:SIGCOV articles to see if they can be improved but for this producer I could not find 1 article via searches on the internet and by an offline articles search of Australian and New Zealand news sources in the ProQuest database. Fails WP:PRODUCER. Cabrils ( talk) 00:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Character class (Dungeons & Dragons). There's consensus that the Assassin class has significant coverage, but that it's best utilized on the Character class article. Several 'keep' votes support redirect as a second choice, and a handful are very light on any substantive argument for outright keeping the article as-is. For this reason, I've closed this accordingly as restoring the redirect. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 22:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Just a bit more fancruft. No real world notability. As per WP:GAMEGUIDE, this could be redirected to an appropriate list somewhere, but not sure where. Onel5969 TT me 00:36, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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  • I really don't get why you constantly repeat this argument. You clearly know how Wikipedia's notability works. Major or minor are completely subjective terms. Sources are the only things that matter. TTN ( talk) 15:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, I clearly do. I've been here a long time. But I apply common sense to these debates instead of (non-existent) "rules". It's a great pity some other editors appear incapable of doing this. The apparent inability of some to get their heads around common sense and WP:BURO is one of the worst things about editing Wikipedia. Nothing here is set in stone. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:14, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • You do realize that your definition of important is completely subjective, right? If there isn't objective criteria for inclusion, that opens it up for literally every minutia in every work of fiction. I'm sure you'd try to argue that it's "obvious" Tolkien and Lovecraft are more important than X video game or Y TV show released in the last thirty years, but many would disagree with you. TTN ( talk) 14:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • It seems like you’ve taken a bunch of minor mentions and given them vastly more weight than deserved. Even ignoring my opinion on the sources, you should definitely cut that down to a single paragraph. TTN ( talk) 21:18, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • The Screen Rant article highlighted 20 D&D classes of all time and listed the 1E assassin as the 5th most broken of all time and then how the class became less broken in 3E.
  • Geek & Sundry and Game Rant both broke down the 5E rogue of which the assassin is a subclass - both articles explain why the assassin subclass is weaker than other rogue subclasses (compare and contrast isn't minor).
  • Diehard Gamefan is a minor mention of the class in 4E. I'm definitely struggling to find info on the class from 4E.
  • ComicBook breaks down a popular character (GoT Arya Stark) in terms of the 5E assassin (ie when we think about a TV character we then compare their actions to D&D character classes). Sariel Xilo ( talk) 21:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Top X lists are the bread and butter of lazy journalism. They are easy to pump out, easy to fake (as in the writer needs no real knowledge, they can just stop by Wikipedia for example), and require no editorial standards. They in no way an indicator of notability when these sites pump out list after list after list. It'd be like using Watch Mojo YouTube videos as a source. TTN ( talk) 17:49, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Laziness is picking swashbuckler as the #1 rogue archetype. Geek and Sundry is no starched Le Monde or New York Times (both of which have committed their share of lazy journalism to be fair) but as I said, it's a major media outlet for the industry and clearly contributes to WP:SIGCOV. AugusteBlanqui ( talk) 19:57, 30 November 2019 (UTC) 19:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. Consensus of the discussion is that although the article needs considerable improvement, there are enough sources to support keeping the article as one about a notable subject. RL0919 ( talk) 02:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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An eclectic mix of press clippings tangentially related to a seemingly non-notable subject. Reads like original research. Suggest redirecting to nude photography or deepfake. DHN ( talk) 00:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

This article is a social issues and media issues so serious Suy nghĩ mãi mà vẫn chẳng biết đặt tên là gì thiệt chán hết sức ( talk) 02:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment: Keep: (oppose merge / redirect ). see new !vote below to alternate target. It may require cleanup but merging or redirecting to nude photography or deepfake might cause disruption of somewhat better articles with their specific purposes which perhaps should not be diluted .... (rubbish+good leading to one half rubbish). The advice for coding was ... don't optimize, if you still want to optimize then do it later. Same with merging ... don't rush into a bad merge. And if you want to redirect not copying any content do so and if the target would need work to accept the redirect seemlessly (possibly to a section/anchor) with no WP:SURPISE say so. Promotion of one product on the target is somewhat of an issue also but that's cleanup. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 10:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
I have observed nom has changed his text from merge to redirect which is clear but I would in future suggest when changing one's nom or vote apart perhaps from a trivial typo it is better to strike the old and introduce the new. I'd also note if one wishes to suggest redirects/mergte that should be explored prior to AfD really. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 19:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Korean Times, Washington Post, CNN, Mew York Times. Notable. Lightburst ( talk) 17:54, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: The article is verging on WP:TNT territory, but this is probably a notable topic. I don't think it's appropriate to redirect it to deepfake since that's a more specific topic (the use of neural networks to create fake nudes/porn), and nude photography is too general. I'm used to this stuff being called "celebrity fakes", and that term redirects to Imagery of nude celebrities, which has a brief paragraph on the subject. There's probably enough coverage for a stand-alone article though. For example, a quick search found this: [71] I would look for more but I have to go to work now and I'm not going to google "celebrity nudes" on my work computer. If the article is kept it will have to be largely rewritten and trimmed to remove trivial examples, though. SpicyMilkBoy ( talk) 11:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Article has been cleaned up and sources added. The article is still not in the best shape, but the topic meets GNG, and it's a subject of enough popular interest that the article won't languish in obscurity forever. SpicyMilkBoy ( talk) 22:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. RL0919 ( talk) 02:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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An incredibly short (5 minute) "experimental" film which has had no discernible coverage, no reviews, no awards, and generally fails WP:NFO and WP:GNG. If it wasn't for the (also presumably self-published) IMDb entry and creator's own website, there would be limited evidence of the film's existence. Not to mind any evidence of notability. Guliolopez ( talk) 00:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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