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The result was redirect to
Education in Hyderabad#Secondary schools. The fundamental agreement is that the subject is not notable enough for a standalone article, as determined by
Wikipedia guidelines. There were a few suggestions to delete the article before redirecting, but as Kudpung mentioned, that's not standard practice, and no reason has been provided for why we should deviate from standard practice in this case.
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- Comment The Hyderabad article is too high-level for a list of high schools;
Kukatpally might be a place to put info if there are sources that aren't sufficient for GNG.
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- Delete and redirect to
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- Delete and redirect Yep, as above, to
Education in Hyderabad#Secondary schools.
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- Redirect to its locality or
Education in Hyderabad#Secondary schools, noting that we do not delete the page, @
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BD2412, and
South Nashua:. We blank it and add the Redirect template and the {{R from school}} template.
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Article with a faulty premise: a disaster, according to m-w.com, is a "a sudden event, such as an accident or a natural catastrophe, that causes great damage or loss of life". A war or a battle is not a natural catastrophe, but a planned event. In addition, the list strikes me as a POV creation, as one side's "disaster" is another side's "brilliant success".
The article has been tagged as OR since Aug 2016 and has not been improved since, or since the two prior AfDs for that matter. It is still almost entirely unsourced, and I believe it's a good time to revisit.
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- Keep I grant the nom's point regarding inclusion criteria, but also the previous keep !voters' objections that such issues can be overcome by regular editing--that is, proper sourcing and inclusion criteria can be applied without needing deletion. 'Military disaster' has plenty of RS coverage, so the list is not NN.
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- Keep 1st point the term "Military Disaster" is the common term used for military failures in literature written about this. Secondly, there are a number of books, articles and websites that address this topic, so it would be worthy of an article. It may need more references, but there are no ground to delete it, IMHO.
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- Keep: Sufficient evidence of notability. --
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- Keep. See no grounds for deletion. Maybe a clear list inclusion criteria, which can be addressed by
WP:NOTDUP.
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- Nom's comment -- I do not see the sources listed as convincing. They are
popular history books mostly by non-notable authors:
- Chris McNab: The World's Worst Military Disasters. The author does not have a wiki article, appears to be a popular history &
militaria author (other books include The FN Minimi Light Machine Gun: M249, L108A1, L110A2, and other variants, among others). Published by
Rosen Publishing, which produces books for children ages through K12.
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Geoffrey Regan: Great Military Blunders: History's Worst Battlefield Decisions from Ancient Times to the Present Day. Regan is a popular history author.
- Paul Chrystal: Roman Military Disasters, published by Pen & Sword. Comes from a militaria publisher & a nn author.
- The list is too subjective to be encyclopedically relevant, IMO. The article on the topic of
Military disaster is a redirect to this list, with the definition of "military disaster" being cited to said McNab.
- The only way I see of salvaging this article is to remove anything uncited (two prior AfD is
plenty of chances for improvement) and / or move it to
List of events (possibly) described as military disasters in popular history books. Feedback?
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- Delete - there's clearly a POV issue here. The number of "disasters" related to the
British Isles in the
Medieval era section should strike anyone as biased (Medieval history is certainly not limited to a tiny portion of the smallest continent). To further illustrate the POV bias, French vocabulary includes the expression
un coup de Trafalgar in reference to what is considered one of the worst military disaster in France's history, the
battle of Trafalgar. The
list of 19th century disasters doesn't even include that battle but does include
Waterloo, although French historians simply consider that this battle was won by a largely superior force (60% + more troops according to Wikipedia) against Napoleon's desperate attempt to reconquer his empire. I could of course fix the list to include Trafalgar, but this would be yet another form of POV. Such intrinsically biased lists don't belong to Wikipedia.
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Not a proper dab page, consisting only of two partial matches.
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Comment A Google search shows Dummy Lake, Ontario and Dummy Lake, Manitoba.
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The result was delete.
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This appears to be partly a
hoax or
patent nonsense about a real person, and an effort to squeeze in just enough fact to avoid speedy deletion. There is no indication that the real Noel D'Souza, as mayor of a small town, is notable, but this is blather.
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- Delete Although I dispute your assumption that the City of Randwick is a "small town", D'Souza as a subject does not even come close to satisfying notability. This 'page' however (using that term lightly), is borderline vandalism.
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- Delete. I'd also dispute the characterization of Randwick as a small town — a population of 145K is more than enough that a mayor would be considered notable if he or she were
properly sourced, because the inclusion bar for mayors is nowhere near as restrictive as the one for city councillors is. But I do agree with the nominator's characterization of the article's content — apart from the statement that he exists, all that's here is his purported involvement in a human rights campaign to prevent discrimination on the basis of pupil size. But that kind of discrimination isn't a thing in the first place — for one thing, pupils routinely dilate or contract in response to lighting conditions, and apart from a couple of very rare medical conditions no human being has significantly different-sized pupils than any other. So that's absolutely a pile of bullshit. And the sole source present here is the search results for his name on a search engine, which mostly brings up
primary sources. So no prejudice against recreation if it can be written and sourced properly, but this version is a clear candidate for the
WP:TNT treatment regardless of his notability or lack thereof — even if somebody were willing and able to tackle cleaning it up right away, we'd still have to REVDEL the current content out of the visible edit history.
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- Delete This article is probably quite literally a joke inside of a hoax. Though eventualism shouldn't be applied to BLPs, the fact that I tagged/categorized the article probably wouldn't hurt if there's any hope for it at all (and I don't think there is at the moment).
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- Comment - Okay. At 145,000 people,
Randwick is a medium-sized city. Mayors of medium-sized cities often meet
general notability. This doesn't say anything notable about him, except for some bad jokes. (At least I think that they are bad jokes, when on the
Internet no one can see you smile.)
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The result was delete.
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WP:SOLDIER or
WP:GNG as far as I can see.
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- Comment I can't see any reason why he's notable, in the article or via Google, but I don't read Japanese; if deleted could replace by a redirect to
Shuichi Abe (I don't see any evidence that they are related). --
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- Delete Article was created in 2013. Is a mess (e.g. YYYYs and DD.MM.YYs all over the place) - and hasn't really improved since it was created (and the original author seems to have left wiki shortly after creation). no sources (sorry - a Czech forum post with the same text and a dead website). Google doesn't find any additional sources. He might meeting SOLDIER (arguable) for his airfield group command (hard for me to assess) - but given the state of the article and sourcing - it should be deleted.
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- Further note - looking for each of the commands listed- 8th Air District, Baicheng Air District, 30th Area Air Command, 3rd Airfield Group - I can't find any refence that supports these existed. (Baicheng is a city in the environs of
Manchukuo (which would be under the 2nd air army) - but other than that, I simply don't see any references to any of these commands. I think this entry is probably a hoax (and if not - it is un-sourced).
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- Delete Article probably should have been created in draft space and died there.--
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- Delete The article ultimately seems to be based on
this (archived from the original) and has as its sole source "上法快男監修,外山操編『陸海軍将官人事総覧』陸軍篇(芙蓉書房、昭和56年)(327頁)". The Japanese Wikipedia on the
ja:第4飛行師団 seems well sourced, and shows him with the same last assignment. Otherwise, I can't find anything in Japanese on the net. I doubt that this is a hoax, but unless there is a lot in print sources, I also think it's clear that he does not pass
WP:SOLDIER or
WP:GNG.
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- Delete, agree the article is a mess and also does not meet GNG.
Kierzek (
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- Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for articles on soldiers.
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- Delete: No evidence of notability. --
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- Delete, I agree article is a mess.
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- Delete - as my nom.
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The result was Keep per
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I don't consider this article notable according to
WP:NOTE and
WP:NNEWS. I don't see any encyclopedic relevance. The important condolences are mentioned in
2017 Manchester Arena bombing. Creating a list over countries who condemn terrorism is just not relevant. It's not like we in years will search for which countries condemned the attack in Manchester 2017. We should hold it as we did under all the other attacks: a general political sentence about how the world condemns terrorism and only mentioning outstanding reactions - which perfectly fits under the section reactions in the event article. We don't need a new article about condolences.
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Seriously? And you didn't even bother making a page before doing your drive-by.— Preceding
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- I followed
WP:HOWTODELETE. As you can read there, I first have to tag the page, then press the link that occurs on the saved article and I then have to fill out the formula on two pages. That takes 5 minutes. A little more patience next time, please.--
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- Just a comment on this -
WP:HOWTODELETE is nothing more than a guide, not an official policy.
Jayden (
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- A good tip for future reference might be to work with two tabs. Have the article you want to nominate for deletion open in both tabs, add the afd to both, then press the preview button on both. You should see a preview of what the page looks like, so you can use one of the tabs to progress to the afd page, then save both together once you're finished. Might avoid further drama. Just a thought.
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edit conflict × 2)And you could've just as easily created this page using Twinkle. That takes at most 10 seconds to do everything (including creating this page and editing the page up for AfD), plus the time it takes to write out your AfD argument. —
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- Thank you for the great tips. But please consider writing it into the guide. That is the thing people follow. If the guide is wrong, new user like me are doing it wrong. And to be fair: that is not really our fault. And it might be that the guide is not living up to Wikipedia policy, but then again, change the guideline. But thank you for the tips. I will use it in the future. Especially Twinkle was a great tip <3--
Rævhuld (
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- KEEP:
Has precedent. --
sarysa (
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21:11, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- I also move for Speedy close, for reasons given by
User:Power~enwiki. --
sarysa (
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21:44, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- For the sake of clarity, aside from precedent, it is needed to not clutter the main article. At the time of the split, the two articles were around 20k each, now they're over 30k each and rising. It's also useful as it records the subtle variations in international reactions, such as Iran's comparison with a domestic incident. --
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- Are those subtle variations discussed in reliable sources? If not doing so here would be
WP:OR. If there is no discussion or other prose about the quotes then why are you adding them here not Wikiquote?
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- Yes, every single one has a source. At least one Wikipedian is double-checking sources. (I constructed most of the country list myself from an old list that merely listed countries and references) As for why not Wikiquote, I suppose the #1 reason would be that it's a mix of quoting and paraphrasing, like the Orlando reaction article. Aside from that, it would be helpful for you to describe how Wikiquote could improve the article. --
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23:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep: As above. You couldn't even be bothered to make a page explaining your reason for the AfD?
Jayden (
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21:15, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep: As stated above, there are numerous other similar pages. No clear reason why this one should be deleted.
Kenyan105 (
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21:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep: We do have precedence for this kind of thing, and it will no doubt grow into being more than how the nominator envisages it.
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- Keep per above. —
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- KEEP removing it. Its good to see the reactions from around the world which can keep it historically accurate and is a good thing to keep for future use. If you want to remove the page, move all the reactions to the main page
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- Speedy close this could be moved into
2017_Manchester_Arena_bombing, but there's no possible remedy from the AfD process.
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- Keep - Several other pages like this one, so there is no need to delete.
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- Keep - Retain for now.
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- Delete There are three parts to this article, a
WP:QUOTEFARM that belongs on Wikiquote if anywhere, a collection of trivia and responses from non-notable people and organisations, a duplicates of what is in the main article. There is nothing here that needs an article.
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- Delete' These "reactions to" pages are all unencyclopedic cruft containing canned statements in a
WP:QUOTEFARM method that violates
WP:INDISCRIMINATE and
WP:NOTNEWS. The attack is notable. The reactions to it from governments and terrorist organizations is not. –
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WP:QUOTEFARM, aside from being only a guideline rather than a rule, is moot as virtually everything here is paraphrased to begin with.
WP:INDISCRIMINATE actually recommends article splits (as had been done) but I'd also like to add that collating the reactions of nations is inherently dangerous. You risk misrepresenting a nation's reaction by trying to fit them into into "close enough" categories. World leaders also have a far lower threshold for notability than the examples on that page. As for
WP:NOTNEWS, people seem to love to shoehorn things that don't belong. The reactions have been made. They are now history. --
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- Keep I'm putting the reasoning I used at the AfD for
International reactions to the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt here, as it is the same reason why I think it should be kept: "I don't believe this is an "indiscriminate" collection of information, per the reasoning at
WP:DISCRIMINATE,
collections of information brought together with a reasonable amount of thought, care, and distinctions would certainly not violate policy
, as there are distinctions about which quotes can be put on the page, as a tweet from a random person wouldn't be put on, but a statement from the American President would be. But if people really don't like these quotes existing on Wikipedia at all, maybe
Wikiquote would be a good place for them, as opposed to removing them all together?" And then have a redirect?
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- STRONG OPPOSE/KEEP per Sarysa and splitting off from the article.
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- Technical note. I have changed the "oppose" !votes to "keep" so that they can be processed by the !vote counter.
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- Keep In the future, academics, researchers and other interested parties can use this page and others like it to assess trends in how various governments and public figures have reacted to a range of world events. It's not just that most reactions are negative but is is of significance how reactions are expressed.
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- Keep Absolutely no reason to delete it. To do so would be shameful as within this article the world's human response to a heinous attack is properly documented.
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- Strong Keep Per
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- Keep, and Close - No need to drag this out for the full 7 days. An encyclopedic fork that prevents the main article from becoming cluttered, the article is not just a handful of quotes. -
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- Strong keep - as per Sarysa.
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Merge with
deposition (law), as the article works better with the merge. As it stands, the article does not work well in a separate article.
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Hi everyone
My name is Mahesh and I am the creator of wikipedia page Tele-evidence. Being new to wikipedia I faced initial challenges of working with wiki (like adding links, references, pics etc) but with the help and guidance of others on wikipedia I could create a small page with some data, references and pics. I am a working professional and not very tech savvy, so can devote a very limited time to build the page further but I am doing my best and hope more people will chip in coming days as the concept expands.
However since the creation of this page, Kiteinthewind is suggesting to merge it with deposition. His/her argument is that it's one and same but is being done electronically in case of Tele-evidence.
I'll explain as to how it is different in coming days. Please bear with me. Thanks
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Also, being new I might not be getting what exactly 'merger' of Tele-evidence with Deposition means. Could you please explain it. Thanks
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Comment to Hospadmnpgi - Tele-evidence is merely a deposition by electronic means, in which the underlying fundamentals is the same as deposition. We are confusing means with end here. As for a merger, it means that relevant articles in this article will be incorporated with
deposition (law), and the Tele-evidence page will be redirected to that page. This is different from a delete, in that when an article is deleted, the article, and all of its contents, are completely removed from Wikipedia.
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- Merge per nom. Much of this article appears as if it is a vehicle to promote the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research. The use of the tele-evidence arrangements have been reported in a small geographical area, although it does look as if the use of these arrangements will expand across India. I don't think there has currently been enough done to establish notability to a point where it could stand as an article on its own.
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- Delete; Oppose merge with Deposition (law) -- never heard of this in my law classes. Send this to
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Unremarkable local politician. It's basically the third most common name in the world, so it's hard to really say there isn't any sources, but I'm not really seeing anything.
The article doesn't even make any claims that, were they true and source-able, would establish notability, but it probably falls short of A7.
The article is vaguely promotional throughout, but probably falls short of G11.
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- Delete I would agree that the article is too promotional and does not adhere to NPOV guidelines. The use of words with a promotional connotation such as "avid" seems to be
- rampant and the little to no notability as well as frequent grammatical errors does not help its case. Feels like it was written by a campaign manager
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- Delete. Las Vegas is certainly a large enough city that its city councillors would be accepted as notable if they were written and sourced properly — but this article, as written, is essentially a campaign brochure rather than a proper encyclopedia article, and is referenced to a mix of
primary sourcing,
routine namechecks of his existence in coverage that isn't about him, and a single piece of coverage that is about him but is in a
WordPress blog rather than a
reliable source. This is neither the substance nor the sourcing that it takes to make a city councillor notable just for being a city councillor. So no prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this, but nothing present here is enough.
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Notability issues. Advert like content. —usernamekiran
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HighKing: It is just a passing reference, and the award isnt notable either, they hold competition for like once a month. Its like during diwali, monsoon, Ramzaan, summer and so on. Then there are too many categories as well. Not a big deal if such awards are won. —usernamekiran
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Usernamekiran Hmmm ... I disagree that it is only a passing reference - the article talks about a book launch for the "Times Good Food Guide" which this Hotel features in, written by an independent third party, and is therefore considered a good source and a good reference for establishing notability. Also,
"hotel+shadab"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&ei=2xMsWYqwL8jcgAbdhb-QBg#q="hotel+shadab"&tbm=bks consider that the Hotel is mentioned in high a number of book and tourist guides - some of which do not meet the criteria for establishing notability, but a lot of others do.
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HighKing: erm... It is their job to keep mentioning hotels. There are hundreds of hotels mentioned in this way, doesnt mean all of them are notable and should have a standalone article in an encyclopaedia. On a different note, are you in Ireland right now? —usernamekiran
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Usernamekiran If you can frame your objection with reference to a policy or guideline, I'll be better able to respond. The way it is currently phrased, it is simply your opinion. For example, are (some of) the books (shown in the search result above) in some way "sponsored" by the companies mentioned? Are lonely planet guides and books of that ilk not regarded as reliable secondary sources for some reasons? And yes, based in Ireland.
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HighKing: yes, it is sort my personal opinion, but it is also the essence of wikipedia guidelines. I am not sure how to point at some particular guidelines. And no, I didnt mean it that way, i didnt mean it was paid review. My point was, it is what they do, write about hotels. So obviously, they will include many hotels. It does not necessarily make the hotels notable. Also, there are a few different hotels by the same name,
like this one. The mentioned address is differen from our hotel of Medina circle, Charminar (aka Old City). Maybe we can create a new article like "Hotels in Hyderabad", and redirect this to there. There are a few other hotels with article on wikipedia, which are stubs and might get deleted because of the notability issue. It would be a good idea to consolidate all of them in one article. I am a
hibernophile. :-D —usernamekiran
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WP:FRINGE. This is an off-shoot of Velikovskian ideas that was described as a rehabilitation by certain critics (
C. Leroy Ellenberger among them). However, there isn't any acknowledgment in reliable sources that this idea as a research line actually exists. It's simply a collection of people who were somewhat sympathetic to certain Velikovskian claims who later moved towards more prosaic proposals. As such, this article is basically serving as a
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:This is absolutely not an off-shoot of Velikovskian ideas. It has nothing to do with Velikovsky. To suggest it is, is seriously misleading and ignorant of the scientific literature. Honestly! if you use a scientific search engine, such as Web of Knowledge (the standard one that most scientists use) you will find it difficult to find any criticism at all of coherent catastrophism in the last 20 years. Go ahead, try. It is accepted in the astronomical cannon. Ellenberger, whoever he is, has not been mentioned in a generation.
- What IS debated, and this is really the only debate, is whether the latest period of coherent catastrophism caused by the Taurid meteor shower has had any obvious effect on Earth's history, and especially the development of human culture over the last 20 thousand years or so. Of course, this is matter of debate, and this is where the action is. The principle of coherent catastrophism itself is physically sound. That is, when a giant comet enters the inner solar system such that its orbit, or the orbits of its debris, intersects earth's orbit at regular intervals, Earth is exposed to enhanced risk during this period. Common sense - no scientist would argue with this.
The fact the WIki editors are STILL peddling these old-fashioned ideas about Velikovsky just shows how out of touch with modern developments they are. One particular editor, Doug, clearly has a personal bias on this issue. Doug, go and read the scientific literature, and get yourself up to date. As things stand, Wiki is looking tired and dusty. — Preceding
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- Perhaps this will help you. First look here at
Centaur (minor planet) . Next look here at
comets, especially the Jupiter family of short period comets. Next look here at
orbital decay. Now look at
meteor showers. Then look at the
Taurids, and the
beta Taurids, and
comet Encke, and finally the
Tunguska event. You see, Wikipedia already has the underlying information that leads to the conclusion that 'coherent catastrophism' is a real phenomenon. And Velikovsky wasn't mentioned once - just up-to-date astronomy. The only debate is whether the Taurids have caused Earth any problems. I think a Wiki page that collects all this information together would be helpful for the general public. Not fringe.
- What you seem to have missed is that the coining of the
neologism seems to have been done in the context of the aftermath of the mess Velikovsky wrought on public discourse surrounding science. "
Catastrophism" as an idea contrasted with
uniformitarianism in the nineteenth century before
Charles Lyell forced the issue as to why uniformitarianism made sense. Then, in 1980, the
Alvarez hypothesis was posited and developed to such an extent to provoke new interest in cataclysms, but no one is claiming that this is "coherent catastrophism". Rather, the term is associated entirely with neo-Velikoskians for better or worse (and if you doubt that Clube and Napier were so involved with Velikovskian fantasies, just do a little digging into their publication record). Now, it's obvious that trying to combine the K-T boundary event with the subject of this article would be outright
original research
since, as far as I know, I'm the first person to point out the contradiction here in this discussion
David Morrison actually makes this point
here. But it just underscores the point that "coherent catastrophism" as an idea is simply a fringe offshoot of a fringe proposal. When similar ideas are arrived at from different lines of research, they aren't called "coherent catastrophism". That is the way the world is, and Wikipedia cannot
fix the situation. We're way out in the weeds here and so should not be pushing the envelope. If "coherent catastrophism" is to become a thing, we need some
third-party reliable sources that can explain how it as an idea is a thing.
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- Delete: I was on the fence. This is clearly a "niche" theory, but possibly not actually fringe. There is some published research, by more than one author, and some references to that research, but it is pretty much a phrase that was used a bit in the 1980s and things have now moved on. However MystifiedCitizen has convinced me that it is too fringe for Wikipedia. Rants, paranoid accusations, and synthesis are never signs of a good article.
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::Not fringe. Mainstream astronomy. Not paranoia, or synthesis, or the work of a single author. I am simply exasperated that senior editors here can be so far out of date. This concerns me as a scientist. — Preceding
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Weak keep. At the moment, I do not see any compelling reason for deletion. Admittedly, I am not very "in the know" about what critical appraisals have been raised against the subject of the article. But I think the solution is to include critical commentary in the article, rather than refactor it into Velikovsky. There are apparently important differences with Velikovsky's brand of woo. For one thing, the "more prosaic" claims of coherent catastrophism seem to be based (to my uninitiated reading) on actual physics and astronomy, rather than wishful thinking. That is, admittedly, not a good reason for believing the theory, but it does seem like redirecting it to a thoroughly discredited theory is not very neutral. I feel like readers deserve to be told why this theory is not astronomically plausible, assuming this can be done within the usual WP:NOR and WP:FRINGE standards.
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- I'm sorry, but what is your source demonstrating what the "theory" in question is? As far as I can tell, this is just a collection of "ideas that are more plausible than much of the Velikovskian nonsense" (which is what makes it "coherent"). That isn't a "theory" as much as it "glints spotted in the muck while panning for gold". How does one write an article on a claimed research program which nobody has summarized as a research program? What sources can we possibly base this article on that aren't naked
WP:SYNTH?
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- 96 hits, but every last one to Clube, Napier, and Duncan Steele. Not a legitimate research program.
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- Delete. Argument for Keep so it could be appropriately unpacked and countered within the article.
This is a good few critical paragraphs that puts across this throughline of sensationalism, The Cosmic Serpent and The Cosmic Winter, talking about angels and the English Civil War, and the parallels to Dr. V. It's less like a scientific theory and more like a series of mental images. Are they setting out to show it happened historically? Do they want a prevention program? I don't see the relationship to proof -- having any or getting any -- and in the end it just doesn't smell right. --
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Procedural nomination only. I declined this as a prod because it has previously been through AFD. Since the originally deleted article was completely unreferenced and this one actually has some sort of referencing, and is somewhat less promotional, I didn't feel I could delete it as a CSD G4 either.
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- Delete - Sorry, didn't see the prior AfD. The article originally had a claim that she was a grammy nominee, but that claim was sourced by a non-rs. Can't find any indication she was nominated. There are a couple of nice sources, but they both deal with a single one of her books, and the articles are more about the book than the author (Freebirds...). Absent that, does not meet
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The result was Delete without prejudice to anyone creating a redirect at this title, as long as there is a suitable target.
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Forceradical:--rpspn stands for the name of the school.And educationstack.com is domain name.How does it appar to be a sec. source esp. given the contents of the website?It is the school website!
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- Don't get worked up- I may have confused it with another reputable website with a similar name.Sorry
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Forceradical: it is not school's website. rpspn is subdomain. Not sure if it can be edited by the school or not though. From the looks of it, i would say its a paid review. —usernamekiran
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Usernamekiran::--I have my doubt.But whatever the heck that is, it obviuoly isn't a
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WP:RS.The writing seems promotional and may be paid.
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- Delete It's not usually a good sign when the first google hits on a subject's name are Wikipedia, Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook and the subject's own website. I see no evidence that anyone has published something substantial about the subject. He may been have written for notable publications, but that does not establish notability.
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- Delete as per nom.
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- Delete then redirect. According to what is written, Vodamayuta is a former name for a city,
Budaun, (source:
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- Redirect [was "Merge"]. It doesn't duplicate an existing topic, because the Vaduan article's history section doesn't mention it. It could be merged though, leaving a redirect behind. I don't know its motive, but the suggestion to delete the topic before redirecting it strikes me as mean-spirited, as if to punish the original contributor for actually contributing something worthwhile. Their contribution should be kept at least in the edit history of the redirect. --
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- Comment. Before and after my recent edit to Budaun (not Vaduan) does
in fact mention Vodamayuta: "According to tradition, Budaun was founded about 905 AD, and an inscription, probably of the 12th century, gives a list of twelve
Rathor kings reigning at Budaun (called Vodamayuta)." This is directly from the EB1911 Encyclopedia.
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The result was redirect to
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The subject matter concerned does not warrant a specific article, there is nothing that discerns this from the article from other areas where the UK's possible future membership of the EU is considered; including
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- Consensus seems pretty clear to me, not sure why this has been relisted. Delete per
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- A single passing reference in a
WP:RS to the plan being "perused" is not sufficient to demonstrate that the plan meets the
WP:GNG of "significant coverage". I can find only a few other mentions.
WP:BLOGS aren't reliable, and can't be used to establish notability. Wikipedia is not the appropriate place to be promoting blogs.
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WP:TOOSOON article about a band with no strong claim to passage of any notability criteria in
WP:NMUSIC, and not enough
reliable source coverage to properly carry it. While they've released two albums with a third on the way, if you're going for "notable because their albums exist" NMUSIC requires the albums to have been on major labels or important indie labels -- so the upcoming third album on
Mint Records would count as the first of the two required to pass that criterion, while the two previous albums on Mammoth Cave wouldn't count toward passing that criterion at all. And while this does cite coverage from
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primary source and Beatroute. So no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when they have a stronger claim of notability and more sourcing that can be provided, but this as written is not yet enough.
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Hello!
I felt like with the addition of Jesse Gander and a release on Mint Records, that they've earned a page on Wikipedia. My reasonings:
They've had articles in the Georgia Straight, Exclaim!, and Beatroute magazines/newspapers. All three are notable publications in Canada. I feel like they should meet the criteria for "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1]."
-Georgia Straight article:
http://www.straight.com/music/needles/pins-relates-romantic-catastrophes
-Exclaim article:
http://exclaim.ca/music/article/needlespins_talk_debut_album
-BeatRoute article:
http://beatroute.ca/2014/02/03/needlespins-2/
They should also meet the criteria for "5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." because of the following:
-Pretty Much Everything So Far was released on Hosehead records. Hosehead records has at least two notable artists (Banner Pilot and The White Wires).
-Their latest album is being released on Mint records. Mint Records has at least two notable artists (The Smugglers, Neko Case, Andrew W.K., and more)
Finally, for "6. Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.[note 5] This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses".
Jesse Gander recently joined the band. He has been apart of d.b.s and Operation Makeout. Both bands who have had released on notable Independent Record Labels (Mint Records). He's also a Record Producer that has worked on Japandroids records and Pack AD records. I feel like he should have his on Wiki page too as he has released some award winning records and has been apart of some popular Indie bands.
Also, I am fairly new to Wikipedia. Do I respond by editing your post or through the TALK page?
Thank you,
Alex
- Regarding criterion #1,
Exclaim! is the only one of those three sources that actually counts as notability-assisting coverage. Alt-weeklies, such as
The Georgia Straight or
Now, can be used for supplementary sourcing of facts after
WP:GNG has already been met, but cannot be bringers of GNG in and of themselves as they have no significant readerships beyond the purely local — and Beatroute isn't accepted as a strong or notability-assisting source either for the same reasons. And one notability-assisting source isn't enough to seal the deal by itself.
- Regarding criterion #5, neither Hosehead nor Mammoth Cave is notable enough to count toward passage of that criterion. A record label does not get a free notability pass just for having notable artists on it — it has to be the subject of enough
reliable source coverage about it to get over
WP:CORPDEPTH.
Mint Records is sufficiently notable to count toward #5, but that covers off one album where the criterion requires two.
- As for criterion #6, the fact that a member of the band was previously in another band does not automatically satisfy that criterion either. He would have to be independently notable in his own right — but band members are not automatically entitled to standalone articles just for being band members either. He would have to be the subject of enough
reliable source coverage, separately from the context of the band, to either qualify for his own independent BLP or have his membership in this band confer notability on the band under #6 — and even if he did, that criterion also requires two independently notable members and not just one.
- Overall, criterion #1 is the one part of NMUSIC that every band always has to meet regardless of whether or not they clear any of #2 through #12. A band can clear none of the other criteria and still get an article if there's enough genuinely solid coverage about them to clear #1, and a band can claim to clear all of the other criteria but not get an article if those claims aren't supported by any reliable source coverage that properly verifies the claims as true. (Bands often try to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform by claiming more notability per NMUSIC than they actually have in reality, so the claim has to be properly sourced and cannot count as an inclusion freebie just because it's been claimed.) So the one absolutely essential criterion that has to be met here is stronger sourcing than is present so far.
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- Alright. It's hard to tell what's notable and what's just a supplementary source (especially regarding the Georgia Straight. I thought they'd be better than
Exclaim!). I'll keep an eye out for better sources and maybe in the future (perhaps with the release of another record on Mint), they will have earned a Wiki page. Thanks.
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- Fwiw, I don't agree with @
Bearcat: about major weeklies like The Georgia Straight or Now not contributing to
WP:GNG -- is that stated somewhere?
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- The issue is that they're subject to the same problems as community weeklies like Toronto's Gleaners and Montreal's The Suburban: they often cover topics of purely hyperlocal interest — an unsigned local band who are playing their first-ever show at Lee's Palace on Saturday, a restaurateur who just opened a kale chip food truck in the Plateau, the president of the "Save the Trees in Stanley Park" committee, etc. — who haven't necessarily achieved anything that would make them a topic of encyclopedic interest. So if there's a strong and solid range of media coverage available, then papers like Now or The Georgia Straight are allowed to be in the mix, but if you're going for "passes GNG because media coverage exists", The Georgia Straight can't be a load-bearing pillar of that claim as very nearly the best source that's actually on offer.
- Just for a concrete example of what I mean: if a playwright wins the GG for English drama for her fourth play, and thus graduates to a more solid range of broad coverage, then as long as the article is actually citing some of that broader range of coverage you are allowed to use The Georgia Straight as supplementary sourcing for the names of the three plays she wrote when she was just an emerging local playwright on the Vancouver scene. But what you can't do is use that early Georgia Straight coverage as core support for a
WP:TOOSOON article about her while she's just an emerging local playwright who hasn't won a national award yet — it can't carry "notable just because media coverage exists" if it's all (or almost all) of the coverage that actually exists.
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- Thank you for the detailed response. I just don't agree, in all cases. I know The Suburban well and there's a world of difference between it and, say, a major weekly like Now. Or Village Voice for that matter. And of course, the editorial staff on almost all Canadian daily broadsheets are no less locally focused. Anyway, I don't intend to !vote in this case.
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The result was keep.
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Non-notable, one source. Note: Creator has removed PROD and notability tags
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DeleteKeep Article has one self-source. Searching found
[20] which is an interview with some independent commentary. Sources found by Michig are enough to satisfy
WP:NALBUM.
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- Keep. Enough coverage to establish notability, including
[21],
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- Keep As above, there are references, need to be put into the article.
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- Comment - I've added some of the above references to the article.
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Excuse me, but what? This player is notable.
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The result was delete. Since no-one asked for it to be draft-ified to further work on it, I won#t move it there. However, I'm willing to undelete and move to Draft if someone requests it at my talk page. Regards
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Mostly a procedural nomination on my part. This was deleted May 22 after an expired PROD, then recreated by a different user the next day. I A7'd it earlier today, but the creator has pointed out that I missed the credible claim of significance at the very bottom of the page, of being ranked 6th in Britain by the
Association of Tennis Professionals. Which, in fairness, I did miss.
However, on the face of it, it appears that the subject fails
WP:NTENNIS, so I'm taking this to AfD for a full discussion. As usual, I'm happy to withdraw early if it's found that he does pass
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- I am unsure whether he passes
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Unclear importance, no sources found or in article.
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- And as a side-note, if this is the orthography-to-be for the language, suddenly Reggae will become almost entirely incomprehensible!
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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing
Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed
Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by
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reference 8, a website with a title like
http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com seems almost to be saying 'we review whatever you pay us for'.
TechTarget "sells marketing programs and data analytics services for targeted sales and marketing efforts". Marketing, aka spam, is what this entry is. Per
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- Delete -- strictly a product brochure, with no indications of notability or significance. Simply put, it's spam, & such content belongs on company's web site.
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- Delete I just used the Google search above to see if I could find independent sources. I found the following:
https://www.pcmag.com/business/directory/online-collaboration/709-inflectra-spirateam
https://reviews.financesonline.com/p/spirateam/
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=EvilDauphin.SpiraTeamExplorer
https://www.business-software.com/product/inflectra-spirateam/
http://comparecamp.com/spirateam-review-features-pricing-overview-project-management-software/
http://www.softwaretestingmagazine.com/news/spirateam-5-2-enhances-test-management-functionality/
http://www.scrumexpert.com/news/spirateam-5-2-enables-effective-program-management/ but every one of them suffers the same problem: no byline. In other words, they appear to be paid placements. Conclusion, the product fails
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- Delete: An article created and edited predominantly by two accounts whose edits relate to the Inflectra company and its product here. (One account
acknowledges on their User Talk page to working for the company.) As others have noted, the current article is effectively a product feature list more appropriate to the company website, but that could be fixed by normal editing. The product listings and reviews presented are enough for basic verification. There is also its appearance in Gartner Magic Quadrants, but I think we have seen in previous AfDs that this is insufficient to demonstrate encyclopaedic notability in itself. Overall, while the reviews could go some way towards the inclusion criteria at
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The result was delete.
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Play does not appear notable. No significant coverage in independent sources. Performed (self-produced?) in fringe festivals, so not a fully professional production.
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- Delete. Needs proper reviews to establish notability. Lacking this, delete. Plays or other media are not notable by default. --
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- Delete There is a bit out there but not enough in either quality or volume to meet GNG, ie NEXIST, in particular it seems to be repetative so nothing to make for a more in depth article. At the time or writing the article it looks like a TOOSOON, and nothing since.
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- Do Not Delete The article has since been updated with further information, references and sources.
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- Comment Clearly the play had a little bit of coverage, but I suggest the additions unfortunately don't make the play sufficiently notable for WP. Suzy Go See is a blog; Stage Whispers reviews everything including amateur theatre. There don't appear to be any reviews or other coverage from credible publications like The Australian, The Guardian, Adelaide Advertiser, The Age, Herald Sun, Sydney Morning Herald, etc.
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Do Not Delete This article should not be deleted as it has been updated with correct and further information, references, sources and an image.
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- Comment a sockpuppetry investigation has been opened
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The result was keep. Consensus is for the article to be retained.
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There is nothing else to say about this venue except that it has been opened, and its press releases have been picked up by few newspapers and such, who republished them in a slightly changed format. A business opening is not sufficient for an entity to be encyclopedic (
WP:NOTNEWS). Also fails
WP:NCORP and
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Thanks, I will be sure to look into this and source some more articles that support the content. Leave it with me. Thanks. Simon.
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- keep gnews reveals quite a bit of coverage. Including unexpectedly foreign press too.
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- Keep Seems to me quite sufficient NEXIST to support GNG. Not just opening, but first of its type, with new ground in commercialising applied technology.
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- keep Seems to be a bit of coverage, and noted for it being the first holographic based entertainment centre. Also coverage on tech angles.
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- Thank you. I have added a piece by The Financial Review for good measure also. I think I best just reiterate also here guys that the government helped fund the site, and officially opened the site. This is a first in the world in technology and is important for the future of 3D entertainment and human digital immersion. It proves that holograms are in fact possible which is a true technological milestone, a significant addition to any encyclopedia. Regards, Simon.
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One single general reference for a massive list of organizations with external links (
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- Delete While it might be a useful resource, it's not encyclopedic content (
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Lake Mohawk, New Jersey. apparent consensus
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Other than trivial mentions, can't find any significant coverage of this facility (similar to the current reference #1). In current sourcing, source #2 doesn't even appear to mention the yacht club, merely the fleet of boats which call the lake home.
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- Keep: Do not know if I would use the word "inherited" but I think a leading active sports club is notable. -
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- Comment to closer - please note that none of the keep !votes has any basis in policy, but are more along the lines of
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- Merge per Alansohn's suggestion. Google search for ("lake mohawk yacht club") only yields 47 results, none of which appears to offer independent in-depth coverage: either the club's own website, directory entries, or passing mentions of events taking place at the club. The only source cited in the article that might satisfy notability requirements is the
1946 Jib Sheet article. However it's not clear how wide a circulation this Jib Sheet had (the name appears to have been used for a number of different sailing clubs' newsletters); the small number of advertisements, most of them for firms in New York state, suggests that it was not widely distributed, so can't be used to support a claim of general notability. Fails
WP:GNG as a stand-alone article, but probably merits a paragraph or two within the
Lake Mohawk article.
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Lake Mohawk, New Jersey. I find the reasoning of
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The result was delete.
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This healer fails the notability guidelines for biographies, as no sources were found. The notability tag was recently removed without explanation, and I have restored it.
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- Delete: A promotional article created by a blocked user and subsequently edited by IPs (including
a fake notice on the Talk page proclaiming a Keep conclusion to this AfD). The sources provided are postings/advertorials which come complete with the subject's contact details to arrange a consultation session. My searches are not finding better. Fails
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- Delete While the Hindu and DNA are notable periodicals, the two articles cited (dated 2000 and 2014) appear to be advertorials. Kannadigaworld is not a reliable source.--
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- Comment The Hindu article is clearly not an ad. One may dislike its contents, but this is irrelevant as far as notability is concerned.
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- It concludes with "He visits Belgaum for two days a month (2491, Income Tax Colony, Mahantesh Nagar, Belgaum. ph.No.454989.)"; provision of such contact information usually occurs only in advertorial items, i.e. items seeking to obtain business for rather than provide disinterested information about a subject.
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- "usually occurs only in advertorial items"? Really? Who says that? What credibility does your statement have? Are you a reliable source while the Hindu is not?
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The result was redirect to
AXN (India).
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Non notable TV channel, Nothing shows up in English
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- Redirect to
AXN (India) Obvious hoax is obvious;
no Pakistan dropdown on network's schedule menu, along with the usual hoaxer attempts to convince us this network sees the light of day in Iran and Afghanistan, two countries that would easily take umbrage with this network's content. I don't doubt they take the Indian version though (though edited to meet PK's
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- Generally all international networks use India as their hub for the subcontinental countries; this is no exception. Usually Pakistan's networks either originate from India or are limited to Pakistan proper and originate from Karachi per that country's regulators; I've had to keep hoaxers from turning many of these articles into messes like this. AXN India does mention the Pakistani feed, thus a delete-and-redirect would be appropriate.
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- Ah right thanks, Having come across
this I believe locals are confusing this channel with AXN India which is what you were hinting at, In that case I have no issues with deleting and redirecting, Thanks, –
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The result was delete. Consensus suggests that the content as it stands doesn't appear to support a proper article or the topic in consideration and this article should be deleted. A better structured article may be created later, possibly one on the law itself. —
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i don't think that an article just on the use of beacons in india is really notable. maybe redirect to the law that was passed to ban them, but i think that is unlikely as well --
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- Delete on TNT grounds. In a country of more than one billion people, federal law that affects both state-owned vehicles and private vehicles is almost guaranteed to be notable (I won't say exceptions can't exist, but such a thing is definitely not a niche topic), but this isn't an article. It's just a list of affected people and their cars.
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Romanian diaspora.
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- Delete. This is not an article, not even a stub; it is a 1-line dictionary definition. --
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- Keep but expand: Stats show there's a notable increase in Romanians living in the Netherlands, and it's certainly notable. Also, we have similar articles for different nationalities in the same country (
Portuguese in the Netherlands,
Filipinos in the Netherlands,
Greeks in the Netherlands)
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- May I be so bold as to point out
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? When there's substantial sourced content to be had, it would be different, but the situation is as it is. May I also remark upon the fact that "Portuguese in the Netherlands" is lacking sources for the most basic of claims? Feel free to add some (sourced) content, though. I may cause me to change my mind.
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- Not the most basic of claims, Kleuske, for the Portuguese in the Netherlands article. They point to the Dutch Statistics Department page that shows the population numbers. The Filipino in the Netherlands article is well sourced, from a skim-through of the page.
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- I did not mention the article on Filippinos, since it's quite a decent article. If this article were anything close to that, I would not have nominated. The one claim in the Portugese article ("20.000 people claim Portuguese descent") is unsourced and adorned with a {{
cn}}-tag. But let's discuss this article instead of the ones I did not nominate.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: Of note is that the article was expanded a bit after being nominated for deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
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- Redirect to
Romanian diaspora, where the only salient statistic, the number of Romanians in the Netherlands, can be found. (Note that the number differs significantly between these two articles.) As for the right to work, that's routine coverage of something that happened across the EU, and is covered at
2007 enlargement of the European Union, in the "work restrictions" section. I looked around for more material in Romanian, but could find nothing significant. (I did turn up a couple of organizations for Romanians in the Netherlands, but those aren't independent sources). -
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The result was no consensus. 1 nomination for deletion and 1 'keep' = no consensus, and at 19 days this AfD has been open for long enough.
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The article is factually incorrect and misleading. It claims that it is a Government Organisation but I could not find a single source which states that it is a Government of India undertaking, at best it is a NGO supported by a some kind of government initiative. It is quite clear that this organisation is a branch of
Amity University , which is a private university and not a government of India undertaking, the same can be confirmed from here
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The result was delete.
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Local politician for a minor party in Scotland. I can't find coverage in reliable sources that would be sufficiently detailed to warrant an article. Does not meet the requirements of
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- Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates in elections they didn't win — and at the local council level, even winning the election wouldn't have gotten him an automatic
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- Delete: Fails
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The result was keep.
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Article about apparently non-notable subject, relying mainly on the use of self-published sources
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- Keep. Luke Ford has been well known both in the porn world and in American Orthodox Jewish circles. I'm a little puzzled by the stated grounds for this AfD, given that the article already cites substantial coverage about Ford in Wired
[36]
[37], the Los Angeles Daily News
[38], and Salon
[39]. Quick searches also find a cover story
[40]
[41] and other coverage about him in The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles
[42], and an unflattering portrayal in The New York Times
[43]. There are passages in this article that would benefit from editorial attention, but his notability is evident. --
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- Keep albeit a pile on, based on User:Arxiloxos. I have looked at the article but not checked the references myself.
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- Speedy keep As others have noted, the article cites a wide variety of reliable sources that establish notability and a Google search shows many more. —
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- Keep per sources provided, meets GNG. –
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- Keep. Subject meets GNG requirements despite deficiencies in article.
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The result was redirect to
Richard B. Spencer. There was no support for the retention of the article on the website, however there was no objection to the idea of redirecting to Richard Spencer's biography. Merging from the history of the redirect to Spencer's article or anywhere else is at individual editorial discretion. The article for the website should not be recreated without some form of third-party review to make sure that all concerns in this discussion are addressed.
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This page for the website "alternativeright.com" should be deleted because the website is not notable enough to warrant its own article. The sources on the page are either leftwing blogs (e.g. DailyKos) or organizations that identify hate groups (e.g. ADL, SPLC). These sources only mention the website in brief blog posts or in off-hand remarks. There is no in-depth report about the website in a major news outlet, such as NY Times, WashPost or the Wall Street Journal. The website is rarely, if ever, brought up in popular or political discourse. There are 17 sources in the article and I count 5 mentions in non-RS sources
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[51]
[52], 1 brief mention of the website in an RS but in the context of the alt-right movement as a whole
[53], 5 RS which do not explicitly mention the website at all
[54]
[55]
[56]
[57]
[58], 1 off-hand mention of the website
[59] in an RS, 1 link to the website itself
[60]. The website therefore gets little, if any, coverage in reliable sources beyond off-hand remarks in the context of Spencer or the alt-right movement. If there is any content here worth keeping, it should just be merged with Spencer's Wikipedia article or the Wikipedia article for the alt-right movement. Just as InfoWars.com (a website that gets substantially more coverage in reliable sources) doesn't merit a Wikipedia article, neither does this far less notable website.
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[61] and
[62] are both non-trivial coverage of the website (and not just Spencer) in my opinion, but are of the website's first incarnation from 2010-2014. I see no coverage of the current version. I agree with the nom that most of the references listed do not suggest notability, several (particularly the DKos diary) should be removed from the article if it is kept.
Power~enwiki (
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01:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete and merge any well-sourced content into the
Richard B. Spencer page. This website is not notable enough to warrant its own article. From
WP:WEBSITE: "For material published on the web to have its own article in Wikipedia, it should be notable and of historical significance." I don't see how its notable, and "historical significance"? Not even close.
Rockypedia (
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15:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Redirect to
Richard B. Spencer.
Artw (
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13:48, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete, as non notable website.
Sagecandor (
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15:59, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Redirect to
Richard B. Spencer or Merge with same.--
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14:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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