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The result was procedural close. Discussion has been bundled here. ( non-admin closure) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 01:30, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Two links to forums, and all the rest to YouTube. Internet searches show a few mp3s floating around, but absolutely nothing in the way of reliable sources. See also: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Axe_(battle_rapper). Laura Jamieson (talk) 23:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete both. North America 1000 02:18, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Zero third-party reliable sources to indicate how this rapper meets WP:MUSIC or WP:GNG guidelines; all sources appear to be primary. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Yep. Of the 30 sources here, 23 of them are his own self-published videos on his own YouTube channel — and the remaining seven, right across the board, are either non-notable blogs or user-generated content sites like discussion forums and Urban Dictionary. These are not the kind of sources it takes to get a person into Wikipedia. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 23:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • These people are definitely a notable part of hip hip history whose work greatly contributed to the rise of the hip hop and battle rap culture. If you actually read the articles you would see that. I firmly believe Axe (battle rapper) and Fam Nice (co-founders of the widely popular battle league culture) whose articles are up for deletion clearly meet the guidelines of notable people under "Creative professionals" in that the people are "regarded as an important figure" in battle rap and they are "known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique". Without them there would be no battle leagues. Well known music artists such as Mickey Factz, Novel, and dozens of other hip hop artists who these two men help launch their careers know who they are, so they will always be a part of hip hop history even if they aren't a part of Wikipedian history. Good luck in your manhunt and I hope that some of you find something to do in your spare time other than destroy the credibility of music pioneers. Thanks for your time. Please see: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals for further information on notability guidelines. User:MusicHistory101
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The result was delete. North America 1000 02:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Paucity of comprehensive independent secondary sources to establish notability and satisfy WP:MUSIC  Wisdom89 talk 22:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. MelanieN ( talk) 03:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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An article based on one single newspaper article from 2007 about a neologism in German isn't notable. -- User:NewJohn 21:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep. For the record, there was imho no real 'first nom' but a formal error with this discussion. The neologism has spread and is as well mentioned in English speaking sources, as well several years after it was coined. Just before the AfD, the article has been cut down significantly recently, various English speaking (including scholalry) sources being erased. That included e.g. a listicle with cartoons from Ulli Lust published both in Süddeutsche and the Guardian, organic bourgeoisie = Bionade-Biedermeier. Twark, Hildebrandt (2015-05-15) 'Envisioning Social Justice in Contemporary German Culture' with a complete Chapter titled 'Social Consciousness in the Bionade-Biedermeier' was deleted as well. Then the AfD came. Sorta foul game, e.g. the important Shell Jugendstude has been quoted for 'Generation Biedermeier', not for 'Bionade Biedemeier', no reason to delete that, since it gives the wider picture. The responsible IP has a background in a sort of revenge from the deWP. There was one Czech source, which discussed a Gentrification topic in Berlin, I had done a google translate and surely it is about the topic but I am OK with User:NewJohn deleting it. I restored to the sourced version. Polentarion Talk 01:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
the term "Bionade-Biedermeier" is really just present in the title of one chapter in "Envisioning Social Justice in Contemporary German Culture" - the book itself makes indeed no mention of the term (apart from the title of said chapter) -- ChristopheT ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
You are right, but thats no weakness. Its far from a widespread Loanword but it gained some impact in English / American sources describing Berlin athmosphere without need for explanation. Polentarion Talk 04:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC) PS.: I adapted the wording and refered to the chapter title explicitely. reply
It is highly manipulative to cite the Shell-study the way it is cited here. Each year a new Shell-study is being published. I doubt it makes any sense at all to pick out the version of that particular year. And the current Shell-study points out that the youth is politically interested in Germany. -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Reading sentences like "Biedermeier refers to parallels between the historical Biedermeier and the German present. Neo-Biedermeier has been used before to describe the current young generation in Germany" it seems to me the article shall bash some part of society or more concretely "the youth". I cannot see that the young generation desereves that and as said the current Shell-study proves the author of that sentence to be wrong. [6] -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:55, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Keep The word "Bionade-Biedermeier" is used as a description of a sociocultural development. It's not based on a single newspaper article. the product Bionade became a central image for a certain neo bourgeois in the German society. Something between Bobo (Bohemian Bourgeois), Hipster and ecological aware middleclass citizen. The sources in the article reflect on the broader reception and its function as a cultural coordination point. -- Jensbest ( talk) 02:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
A google news search for Bionade Biedermeier delivers just 81 results. [7]. I wouldnt equate Biedermeier with Bourgeois and I wouldnt equate Biedermeier with Bohemian either. In the article it reads "not the Proletariat, but the Bohème became the ruling class". Does that make any sense to anyone? -- NewJohn ( talk) 08:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete does not achieve notability - seems to be used by a specific set of Editorialists of a specific newspaper within a specific time frame around the publication of the Editorial in 2007. -- ChristopheT ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
In the German article about Bio-B. most content has been erased because sources have been manipulated. I looked into the source according to which Claudia Roth supposedly "sees problematic tendencies in the social phenomenon for their own party and clientele." The source is a short text by some undisclosed author about an event at Munich Re (!). Roth apparently took part in the event. The statement about the Bio-Biedermeier is however from the unknown author and not from Roth. Seems like we are dealing here with the same sort of manipulations others dealt with before in the German article. -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The topic of the article was highly controversial in the German community, but it stood AfD and challenge of an AfD. Here it went through standard review and DYK, I had some old hands looking on it. Over there, no kidding, lotta hate speech and active bullying over the topic in deWP. Point is, as an old hand said in one discussion, important parts of the deWP community are part of the Bionade Biedermeier, but don't want to be called like that. The IP, which tried to delete have of the content, flamed me as having written this very article for mobbing purposes. I quote the original text "Diese Überforderung führt dazu, dass sich viele Menschen in eine Art „Bionade-Biedermeier“ zurückziehen und ein ökologisch korrektes Leben ohne großes bürgerschaftliches Engagement führen. „Wo ist der Impuls, etwas zu ändern, wo der Protest, wo der Wille, sich einzumischen“, beklagte die Bundestags-Vizepräsidentin und Mitglied der Fraktion von Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (Cladia Roth)." Point is, the author tells about the Bionade-Biedermeier and cocooning tendencies. Then - next sentence - Roth is quoted with an statement about a lack of political interest. Trittin refered to the same issue in a book, vocal reference to Bionadebiedermeier. The article currently goes Green party officials like Jürgen Trittin and Claudia Roth see problematic tendencies in the social phenomenon for their own party and clientel. I see that as an appropriate way to cover both valid sources. Polentarion Talk 08:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Being able to read the discussion in the German wikipedia and your reaction here, quite frankly, you are not very open to deal with criticism - to say the least. There are hundreds of thousands of such events each year by companies and it's not an interest in science that attracts the audience. Citing an undisclosed author who writes a short piece about such an event is way beyond standards. Plus please do not deny that Roth doesnt use the term and in the article it says the opposite. -- NewJohn ( talk) 08:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The term is refered to in an report an Munich Re conferences with German political leaders. Roth has been quoted about the cocooning tendency, after being confronted with the BionadeBiedermeier. You erased a valid source, instead of improving tha actual text. Your comment on the CDU strategy paper shows a possible political bias. You made some aggressive remarks during your edits. I gave you a civility warning on your User page. Polentarion Talk 09:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The text is lightyears away from being a "report"! These are exactly the sort of manipulations I am referring to. And it's also kind of an attempt to manipulate when you are trying to "warn" me of something on my user disk. User_talk:NewJohn#Warning -- NewJohn ( talk) 09:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Sorry, but things go that way here. You started here with claiming "only one newspaper', after a friendly IP prepared the way to claim that. By deleting half of the article. You now deleted a report from Munich Re Foundation about its dialogue forum with Roth, a highstanding member of the Greens on federal level, Green Lord Mayor of Munich candidate Nallinger and Finkbeiner from Club of Rome and cofounder of the Global_Marshall_Plan_Initiative in Germany. Retreat into the Biedermeier in general was a section title, Bionade-B explicitely refered to as a problem. Its a sort of WP:I don't like it issue policy wise, and youre the one that has a problem with the topic. Thats far from being accurate, Sir. The civility warning is one of the steps before we involve sysops here. I gave you an informal one first. Polentarion Talk 09:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
There is really only one article in one newspaper which really makes the term Bionade-Biedermeier the headline and center of a story. All other sources may use the term somewhere but it's not central to any of the sources. In addition to this most sources are just evaluated selectively regarding their content. The author surely didnt read most of the sources from beginning to end. Instead he used everything he could find online and read only the paragraph around the buzz word. Most sources are highly doubtful which makes the article here an essay aboout a not notable term. -- NewJohn ( talk) 10:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
We got various entries already here with the term in the title. You used a sorta selective google news search, 88 doesn't equal one. But I am thankful for your interest, I wasn't aware yet that Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg had transmitted a lecture about Jörg Albrechts doctorate (Title: Vom Kohlrabi-Apostel zum Bionade-Biedermeier) in 2015. Polentarion Talk 11:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I think we do not need to repeat the soap drama we had on the same subject in WP:DE - my point is notability - if Bionade-Biedermaier was indeed a neologism on his way into mainstream German language - we would have seen some entries since 2007 (Duden ect.) like let's say for 'Warmduscher'. That is clearly not the case. My point being notability - nothing else - so please do not highjack my comment for a discussion that has nothing to do with my point. Thank you! -- ChristopheT ( talk) 11:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
User:ChristophThomas: Hope so, its been a fierce mess. Here you went on the talk page, I will do also, think we can do some fixes with superfluent entries. Albrechts doctorate is more of relevance. Its quite true that the catchy term often appears in head-lines, but not yet in the Duden. My point is that the thresholds for entries containing brand names in the Duden are higher. Polentarion Talk 11:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. I looked at the arguments above and then reexamined the sourcing of the article. Numerous reliable sources are cited in which this tag phrase is used in reference to a certain group or trend. Whether the group was ever representative of German youth, whether the name is fair, and whether the trend is still current are all unimportant: the article deals with something that has been written about in reliable sources and demonstrates that this is the generally used term for it. (Yes, at least one source simply uses "Biedermeier", but most use "Bionade-Biedermeier".) It thus clears the bar for notability, and even those sources in which the term is only used once contribute to clarifying how it's used, as well as documenting its use, and should not be stripped out. Yngvadottir ( talk) 11:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Sure you looked at the arguments above and reexamined...? Or did you just do a favour to a buddy who asked kindly for it User_talk:Yngvadottir#Differences_between_different_WPs "The empire strikes back on Bionade-Biedermeier....Polentarion" -- 87.78.133.28 ( talk) 17:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi IP, thanks for assuming good faith; yes, I looked for myself, and also read the arguments above, before writing my argument. Yngvadottir ( talk) 02:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete The whole thing doesnt go beyond an essay. All cited books are popular books too often politically biased. The story presented here is a fantasy of its writer. Man things from different sources which are not really related are being sampled together.-- 89.204.155.180 ( talk) 11:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Just for the record: I changed the false claim in the article that puts the outcome of the Shell-study from 2010 in context of the recent study. The recent study finds that the youth is politically interested. The author deleted that bit. And then I looked into the WP:de article on Jörg Albrecht. Here he is somehow presented as an authority in the field of analysing societal trends such as Bio-B. In reality he writes prose, theater pieces and novels. This is another example of how misleading the article is to its readers. It's not enough to look at the sources and say: Hey, the word appears in there! You have to look into the sources and then you see that this article doesnt go beyond an essay representing someones private oppinion about the phenomenon Bio-B. -- NewJohn ( talk) 13:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Some more on the same: The author of the article added a source today which seems to state that Albrecht is lecturing on Bio-B. If you actually click on the source [8] (please do so!) one finds out that there is a text. The text doesnt state however if Albrecht will in fact give a lecture or another form of presentation. The text also doesnt state in which event that happend or shall happen (no date either). That is just another perfect example of manipulating the reader by using random "sources". -- NewJohn ( talk) 13:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
See talk page. Wikipedia:Waste of Time. Polentarion Talk 23:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

For the record: First (see Strohmaier 2014), the term itself has been quoted and used often since it was coined in 2007. Second I made sure to include definitions of the term beyound and after Sußebach. ChristopheT made a valid point about the Duden. Strohmaier 2014 confirms that the term was then already integrated in the Duden Szenesprachenwiki, a sort of urban dictionary in German. The Szenesprachenwiki is currently offline. Duden has produced a printed dictionary based on selected entries. No chance to check for the term online. But I don't think that is a barrier for noteabilty. Polentarion Talk 01:20, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

An online wiki - which is offline - as a source of its importance! Are you serious?? -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 08:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
We should leave the limo-biedermeier for this other wiki then - as the wikipedia is no dictionary. The article here doesnt go beyond an article for a dictionary with a lengthy discription of who used the term at some point somewhere anyways. -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 08:56, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The "background" of the word is according to the article here: A doctorate project of someone, a citation for internal use which got in the hands of the press, and a documentary which didn't use the terms - but according to the author here describes the phenomenon. That is not enough. -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 10:43, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I am serious. Polentarion Talk 14:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC) To quote User:Weissbier deWP Soap opera, AfD revision I believe that the main problem is the (deWP) High Society being part of Bionade-Biedermeier, wearing ugly marinières and getting licked with overpriced Manufactum gadgets. Je suis Tiger! WB! 11:48, 6. Nov. 2015 (CET) reply
You state here that you're motivation for writing this "article" is hatred. You don't care whether you inform the reader or whether you use your source in an appropiate way. That was the reason why your account was taken offline for a month in de:wp [9] -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 17:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Cologne IP, I have done no such statement. That's beyound any rule here, against a member of good standing of this very project. Noteability of this entry is based on valid sourcing. The AfD is not warranted by facts but seems as an act of revenge. Still the soap opera overthere. Polentarion Talk 18:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The article gives very lear evidence that this is part of contemporary German culture. I do not think thearticle would have been even questioned if it covered an English -speaking country, and the English WP is supposed to cover all the world equally. The article here is much more extensive than the deWP article, but perhaps a much larger explanation of the cutluralbackgroundis needed for English readers. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep also as this seems convincing enough for an article. SwisterTwister talk 00:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Nicely sourced and interesting article about a notable German neologism. Passes GNG. Carrite ( talk) 16:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:37, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Single has not even been released, and can not possibly have made an impact on any country's chart list. Per WP:TOOSOON and fails notability for a single release ScrpIron IV 21:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC) reply

The single hasn't been released yet, you just contradicted yourself User:ScrapIronIV. The information on this page stays, when the single is released, more information can be added: i.e reception info and charts. Thank you User:JuneGloom07 for understanding and being patient on more information and sources to be added when it is released. However a redirect is unnecessary. The page needs it's official art cover though! END OF DISCUSSION! - Jozza-7 Jozza-7 ( talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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  • Redirect. I think a redirect to the main Stooshe article would be better than outright deletion. I agree that the article doesn't pass notability just yet, but the single is released next week, so hopefully more sources will become available. - JuneGloom07 Talk 21:53, 4 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Most non notable songs get redirected to the album however in this case there is no album so in this case it seems sensible to just delete.... – Davey2010 Talk 00:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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Keep - Right now I think it is too soon to decide. I firmly believe that it could be one worth waiting on. They have had high charting singles in the past. The single has just been released and they just did a televised live performance on a high profile TV Show Celebrity Big Brother - so it is more than likely to chart. I'd say wait it out until Friday. Me and another editor have done work on Stooshe singles in the past, so I think I will ask her to improve the article with me - if it passes GNG that is a positive sign. Rain the 1 01:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Venu Nagavally -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:28, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The film can very well be notable, but the article does not cite a single reliable source Ymblanter ( talk) 18:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. A clear consensus following relisting. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai ( talk) 02:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus after a relisting DGG ( talk ) 00:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Forex broker with no references in reliable sources. Some trade websites, but nothing that can be considered reliable. There are also press releases which do not count for notability. A web search found nothing in-depth to help. Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. CNMall41 ( talk) 06:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Also looks like it was created by a sock. Should still be judged on its notability, but wanted to point it out in case another sock shows up on the AfD. -- CNMall41 ( talk) 07:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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Article is Listcruft. Details in this article replicate info already provided through articles regarding Brand New's singles and albums. Cubbie15fan ( talk) 20:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment - Its hard to make a call on these sorts of "List of all songs by X artists" lists because I still don't believe anyone's agreed on any criteria on when its appropriate for an artist to have one, but I believe there's a loose agreement that these sorts of articles are more appropriate for situations like List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson or List of songs recorded by the Beatles, where they have a massive collection of notable songs, and less appropriate for bands like Brand New, which have a much smaller collection of songs, and only a handful of them being notable enough to have their own article. Sergecross73 msg me 15:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. A clear consensus to keep following relisting and the withdrawal of the nomination and switch to keep. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Subject of the article fails WP:GNG. I can't find any evidence of notability. The sources provided are unreliable and majority of the sources are self-published material with no credible editorial oversight. Wikigy t@lk to M£ 08:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn to Keep per MichaelQSchmidt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicology ( talkcontribs) 07:13, 26 January 2016‎ reply

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The result was keep. MelanieN ( talk) 03:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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An article based on one single newspaper article from 2007 about a neologism in German isn't notable. -- User:NewJohn 21:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep. For the record, there was imho no real 'first nom' but a formal error with this discussion. The neologism has spread and is as well mentioned in English speaking sources, as well several years after it was coined. Just before the AfD, the article has been cut down significantly recently, various English speaking (including scholalry) sources being erased. That included e.g. a listicle with cartoons from Ulli Lust published both in Süddeutsche and the Guardian, organic bourgeoisie = Bionade-Biedermeier. Twark, Hildebrandt (2015-05-15) 'Envisioning Social Justice in Contemporary German Culture' with a complete Chapter titled 'Social Consciousness in the Bionade-Biedermeier' was deleted as well. Then the AfD came. Sorta foul game, e.g. the important Shell Jugendstude has been quoted for 'Generation Biedermeier', not for 'Bionade Biedemeier', no reason to delete that, since it gives the wider picture. The responsible IP has a background in a sort of revenge from the deWP. There was one Czech source, which discussed a Gentrification topic in Berlin, I had done a google translate and surely it is about the topic but I am OK with User:NewJohn deleting it. I restored to the sourced version. Polentarion Talk 01:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
the term "Bionade-Biedermeier" is really just present in the title of one chapter in "Envisioning Social Justice in Contemporary German Culture" - the book itself makes indeed no mention of the term (apart from the title of said chapter) -- ChristopheT ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
You are right, but thats no weakness. Its far from a widespread Loanword but it gained some impact in English / American sources describing Berlin athmosphere without need for explanation. Polentarion Talk 04:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC) PS.: I adapted the wording and refered to the chapter title explicitely. reply
It is highly manipulative to cite the Shell-study the way it is cited here. Each year a new Shell-study is being published. I doubt it makes any sense at all to pick out the version of that particular year. And the current Shell-study points out that the youth is politically interested in Germany. -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Reading sentences like "Biedermeier refers to parallels between the historical Biedermeier and the German present. Neo-Biedermeier has been used before to describe the current young generation in Germany" it seems to me the article shall bash some part of society or more concretely "the youth". I cannot see that the young generation desereves that and as said the current Shell-study proves the author of that sentence to be wrong. [16] -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:55, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Keep The word "Bionade-Biedermeier" is used as a description of a sociocultural development. It's not based on a single newspaper article. the product Bionade became a central image for a certain neo bourgeois in the German society. Something between Bobo (Bohemian Bourgeois), Hipster and ecological aware middleclass citizen. The sources in the article reflect on the broader reception and its function as a cultural coordination point. -- Jensbest ( talk) 02:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
A google news search for Bionade Biedermeier delivers just 81 results. [17]. I wouldnt equate Biedermeier with Bourgeois and I wouldnt equate Biedermeier with Bohemian either. In the article it reads "not the Proletariat, but the Bohème became the ruling class". Does that make any sense to anyone? -- NewJohn ( talk) 08:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete does not achieve notability - seems to be used by a specific set of Editorialists of a specific newspaper within a specific time frame around the publication of the Editorial in 2007. -- ChristopheT ( talk) 03:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
In the German article about Bio-B. most content has been erased because sources have been manipulated. I looked into the source according to which Claudia Roth supposedly "sees problematic tendencies in the social phenomenon for their own party and clientele." The source is a short text by some undisclosed author about an event at Munich Re (!). Roth apparently took part in the event. The statement about the Bio-Biedermeier is however from the unknown author and not from Roth. Seems like we are dealing here with the same sort of manipulations others dealt with before in the German article. -- NewJohn ( talk) 07:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The topic of the article was highly controversial in the German community, but it stood AfD and challenge of an AfD. Here it went through standard review and DYK, I had some old hands looking on it. Over there, no kidding, lotta hate speech and active bullying over the topic in deWP. Point is, as an old hand said in one discussion, important parts of the deWP community are part of the Bionade Biedermeier, but don't want to be called like that. The IP, which tried to delete have of the content, flamed me as having written this very article for mobbing purposes. I quote the original text "Diese Überforderung führt dazu, dass sich viele Menschen in eine Art „Bionade-Biedermeier“ zurückziehen und ein ökologisch korrektes Leben ohne großes bürgerschaftliches Engagement führen. „Wo ist der Impuls, etwas zu ändern, wo der Protest, wo der Wille, sich einzumischen“, beklagte die Bundestags-Vizepräsidentin und Mitglied der Fraktion von Bündnis 90/Die Grünen (Cladia Roth)." Point is, the author tells about the Bionade-Biedermeier and cocooning tendencies. Then - next sentence - Roth is quoted with an statement about a lack of political interest. Trittin refered to the same issue in a book, vocal reference to Bionadebiedermeier. The article currently goes Green party officials like Jürgen Trittin and Claudia Roth see problematic tendencies in the social phenomenon for their own party and clientel. I see that as an appropriate way to cover both valid sources. Polentarion Talk 08:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Being able to read the discussion in the German wikipedia and your reaction here, quite frankly, you are not very open to deal with criticism - to say the least. There are hundreds of thousands of such events each year by companies and it's not an interest in science that attracts the audience. Citing an undisclosed author who writes a short piece about such an event is way beyond standards. Plus please do not deny that Roth doesnt use the term and in the article it says the opposite. -- NewJohn ( talk) 08:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The term is refered to in an report an Munich Re conferences with German political leaders. Roth has been quoted about the cocooning tendency, after being confronted with the BionadeBiedermeier. You erased a valid source, instead of improving tha actual text. Your comment on the CDU strategy paper shows a possible political bias. You made some aggressive remarks during your edits. I gave you a civility warning on your User page. Polentarion Talk 09:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The text is lightyears away from being a "report"! These are exactly the sort of manipulations I am referring to. And it's also kind of an attempt to manipulate when you are trying to "warn" me of something on my user disk. User_talk:NewJohn#Warning -- NewJohn ( talk) 09:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Sorry, but things go that way here. You started here with claiming "only one newspaper', after a friendly IP prepared the way to claim that. By deleting half of the article. You now deleted a report from Munich Re Foundation about its dialogue forum with Roth, a highstanding member of the Greens on federal level, Green Lord Mayor of Munich candidate Nallinger and Finkbeiner from Club of Rome and cofounder of the Global_Marshall_Plan_Initiative in Germany. Retreat into the Biedermeier in general was a section title, Bionade-B explicitely refered to as a problem. Its a sort of WP:I don't like it issue policy wise, and youre the one that has a problem with the topic. Thats far from being accurate, Sir. The civility warning is one of the steps before we involve sysops here. I gave you an informal one first. Polentarion Talk 09:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
There is really only one article in one newspaper which really makes the term Bionade-Biedermeier the headline and center of a story. All other sources may use the term somewhere but it's not central to any of the sources. In addition to this most sources are just evaluated selectively regarding their content. The author surely didnt read most of the sources from beginning to end. Instead he used everything he could find online and read only the paragraph around the buzz word. Most sources are highly doubtful which makes the article here an essay aboout a not notable term. -- NewJohn ( talk) 10:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
We got various entries already here with the term in the title. You used a sorta selective google news search, 88 doesn't equal one. But I am thankful for your interest, I wasn't aware yet that Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg had transmitted a lecture about Jörg Albrechts doctorate (Title: Vom Kohlrabi-Apostel zum Bionade-Biedermeier) in 2015. Polentarion Talk 11:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I think we do not need to repeat the soap drama we had on the same subject in WP:DE - my point is notability - if Bionade-Biedermaier was indeed a neologism on his way into mainstream German language - we would have seen some entries since 2007 (Duden ect.) like let's say for 'Warmduscher'. That is clearly not the case. My point being notability - nothing else - so please do not highjack my comment for a discussion that has nothing to do with my point. Thank you! -- ChristopheT ( talk) 11:04, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
User:ChristophThomas: Hope so, its been a fierce mess. Here you went on the talk page, I will do also, think we can do some fixes with superfluent entries. Albrechts doctorate is more of relevance. Its quite true that the catchy term often appears in head-lines, but not yet in the Duden. My point is that the thresholds for entries containing brand names in the Duden are higher. Polentarion Talk 11:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. I looked at the arguments above and then reexamined the sourcing of the article. Numerous reliable sources are cited in which this tag phrase is used in reference to a certain group or trend. Whether the group was ever representative of German youth, whether the name is fair, and whether the trend is still current are all unimportant: the article deals with something that has been written about in reliable sources and demonstrates that this is the generally used term for it. (Yes, at least one source simply uses "Biedermeier", but most use "Bionade-Biedermeier".) It thus clears the bar for notability, and even those sources in which the term is only used once contribute to clarifying how it's used, as well as documenting its use, and should not be stripped out. Yngvadottir ( talk) 11:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Sure you looked at the arguments above and reexamined...? Or did you just do a favour to a buddy who asked kindly for it User_talk:Yngvadottir#Differences_between_different_WPs "The empire strikes back on Bionade-Biedermeier....Polentarion" -- 87.78.133.28 ( talk) 17:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi IP, thanks for assuming good faith; yes, I looked for myself, and also read the arguments above, before writing my argument. Yngvadottir ( talk) 02:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Delete The whole thing doesnt go beyond an essay. All cited books are popular books too often politically biased. The story presented here is a fantasy of its writer. Man things from different sources which are not really related are being sampled together.-- 89.204.155.180 ( talk) 11:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Just for the record: I changed the false claim in the article that puts the outcome of the Shell-study from 2010 in context of the recent study. The recent study finds that the youth is politically interested. The author deleted that bit. And then I looked into the WP:de article on Jörg Albrecht. Here he is somehow presented as an authority in the field of analysing societal trends such as Bio-B. In reality he writes prose, theater pieces and novels. This is another example of how misleading the article is to its readers. It's not enough to look at the sources and say: Hey, the word appears in there! You have to look into the sources and then you see that this article doesnt go beyond an essay representing someones private oppinion about the phenomenon Bio-B. -- NewJohn ( talk) 13:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Some more on the same: The author of the article added a source today which seems to state that Albrecht is lecturing on Bio-B. If you actually click on the source [18] (please do so!) one finds out that there is a text. The text doesnt state however if Albrecht will in fact give a lecture or another form of presentation. The text also doesnt state in which event that happend or shall happen (no date either). That is just another perfect example of manipulating the reader by using random "sources". -- NewJohn ( talk) 13:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
See talk page. Wikipedia:Waste of Time. Polentarion Talk 23:02, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

For the record: First (see Strohmaier 2014), the term itself has been quoted and used often since it was coined in 2007. Second I made sure to include definitions of the term beyound and after Sußebach. ChristopheT made a valid point about the Duden. Strohmaier 2014 confirms that the term was then already integrated in the Duden Szenesprachenwiki, a sort of urban dictionary in German. The Szenesprachenwiki is currently offline. Duden has produced a printed dictionary based on selected entries. No chance to check for the term online. But I don't think that is a barrier for noteabilty. Polentarion Talk 01:20, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

An online wiki - which is offline - as a source of its importance! Are you serious?? -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 08:52, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
We should leave the limo-biedermeier for this other wiki then - as the wikipedia is no dictionary. The article here doesnt go beyond an article for a dictionary with a lengthy discription of who used the term at some point somewhere anyways. -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 08:56, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The "background" of the word is according to the article here: A doctorate project of someone, a citation for internal use which got in the hands of the press, and a documentary which didn't use the terms - but according to the author here describes the phenomenon. That is not enough. -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 10:43, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I am serious. Polentarion Talk 14:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC) To quote User:Weissbier deWP Soap opera, AfD revision I believe that the main problem is the (deWP) High Society being part of Bionade-Biedermeier, wearing ugly marinières and getting licked with overpriced Manufactum gadgets. Je suis Tiger! WB! 11:48, 6. Nov. 2015 (CET) reply
You state here that you're motivation for writing this "article" is hatred. You don't care whether you inform the reader or whether you use your source in an appropiate way. That was the reason why your account was taken offline for a month in de:wp [19] -- 87.79.175.34 ( talk) 17:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Cologne IP, I have done no such statement. That's beyound any rule here, against a member of good standing of this very project. Noteability of this entry is based on valid sourcing. The AfD is not warranted by facts but seems as an act of revenge. Still the soap opera overthere. Polentarion Talk 18:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. The article gives very lear evidence that this is part of contemporary German culture. I do not think thearticle would have been even questioned if it covered an English -speaking country, and the English WP is supposed to cover all the world equally. The article here is much more extensive than the deWP article, but perhaps a much larger explanation of the cutluralbackgroundis needed for English readers. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep also as this seems convincing enough for an article. SwisterTwister talk 00:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Nicely sourced and interesting article about a notable German neologism. Passes GNG. Carrite ( talk) 16:10, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Boleyn ( talk) 11:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Binibining Pilipinas 2014. MelanieN ( talk) 03:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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This person does not meet the notability guidelines for biographies. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 23:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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A program at a Bristol, UK grammar schools. No multiple, reliable and independent sources about the program available. Prod was removed. Bgwhite ( talk) 23:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete as I am unable to find RS to demonstrate notability.— Rod talk 17:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep, noting that the nominator has withdrawn their nomination and there are no other arguments for deletion. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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I couldn't establish that she meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Deleted 2008, re-created. Sending WP:APPNOTE to Aboutmovies. Boleyn ( talk) 19:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Comment I found a few sources, but it's so borderline. I added them and cleaned up the article. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 15:08, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Ran a Proquest news archive search on her name. This is a good search, but very far from exhaustive. Got 29 hits. Began adding them to article starting at the top. Revidews in big, daily newspapers, essays about writing that discuss her advice, added them as I went down the list. Stopped after the seventh hit, because that was more than enough to establish notability. There are lots of sources out there, if/when someone undertakes to improve this article. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 22:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non notable Lithuanian kindergarten. Theroadislong ( talk) 14:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

How to understand mon notable Lithuanian kindergarten? And in general, why article should be deleted?-- I'm Lukas! --Talk 15:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC)Lukaslt13 reply
Lukas, please read WP:42 for a brief summary of what Wikipedia is looking for in the way of notability. — teb728 t c 02:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Lukas, also see https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedija:Reik%C5%A1mingumas. Renata ( talk) 16:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - It's a preschool. As all sources are in Lithuanian, I cannot even determine if this is worthy of redirecting somewhere and if so where. If it is a commercial preschool, it should be deleted. If it is a public or parochial preschool, a redirect to the school authority or the appropriate branch of a church (assuming they are notable) would be appropriate. This is per school article guidelines and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Assistance from a reader of the language would be appreciated. John from Idegon ( talk) 17:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Appears to fail WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:GNG. Can't find any non-trival coverage online of organization. Cubbie15fan ( talk) 20:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. I discount the keep !vote, which does not discuss how the article is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article reads in it's entirety

"Rudolf Christmann (10 January 1900 – 27 June 2007) served in both World Wars. He was the oldest living German during the last month of his life."

with no sources. He hardly seems notable even if he was the oldest German at some point, which seems doubtful at 107. Legacypac ( talk) 09:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Update I've searched Google with "Rudolf Christmann" and then with his birthdate too (to filter out noise given that he is allegedly famous for being old). Every single hit is mirror of this page. I started to think this mention [23] which has no details and no sources but [24] here we can see its based on Wikipedia too. It appears he is not mentioned at German wikipedia [25] which would be a good place for the alleged oldest person in Germany to be noted. However I did track down the genesis of this article [26] where these pieces of OR are enlightening [27] [28]. Calling his granddaughter and checking with another Wikipedia editor who (off wiki) confirmed he died is not how we usually build articles. Legacypac ( talk) 03:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as failing WP:N based on a complete lack of non-trivial, reliable, third-party sources. Legacypac's comment above suggests strongly that this inability to find sources is based on their nonexistence, rather than some fault in our searching abilities. Canadian Paul 17:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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WV's vote seems based on another agenda and not any analysis of the article. If an Admin could look at the article and evidence presented, this is an easy delete close. Legacypac ( talk) 12:03, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Quite enough evidence for deletion of both DGG ( talk ) 06:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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New show which seems to lack the necessary notability for an article. One article on KCNN, which is part of JGMedia; the show is shown on Next, which is part of JGMedia. No reliable independent sources, very few sources in general. "Next" isn't a complete TV channel, but some part-time channel, online only (I think, it isn't very clear).

JGHoldings, the company behind the channel, is owned by ... Joseph Azarian. Fram ( talk) 07:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

For the same reasons, I have also nominated Joseph Azarian for deletion here in this discussion. Every source about him and his shwos is self-published if you trace back the owners of the different labels, holdings, channels, and so on. 07:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

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From what I have seen JGJOLDINGS is an independent firm, I don't know why it would be traced back to him and KCNN Post, also from what I know is celebrity news and gossip site, published by Kids Compiter News Network, independent of the company, which I am unsure of why his page and his show's page would be nominated for deletion, so I am going against Muza... I think it's important to dig deeper as this is from what Iknow it is completely false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.153.135.28 ( talk) 22:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Next Entertainment and JG Media is owned by JGHOLDINGS, which from my research is legit. KCNN Post is published by Naseem Nossiff, as the author I don't know where you found JGHOLDINGS to have any ownership with KCNN Post, and I for sure know that it does not as I do work with JGHOLDINGS regularly, @MusaRaza. I can assure you that The Real With Joseph Azarian, great show by the way, I watch it!!, and Joseph Azarian, whom I have met in person, are both legit and are great! I understand that I may not be objective in this as I am with JGHOLDINGS but hopefully I have a bit of insight as to "who owns what here". Cheers! ~~Msnmathco~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msnmathco ( talkcontribs) 22:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Alright guys, I would like to clear a few things up. I've been watching Azarian since the beginning -- he has no stake in JGHOLDINGS and Next Entertainment, although his family does dominate Next Entertainment, a la Kardashians on E!. Next Entertainment is an online streaming channel similar to CBSN but is also available on specific television sets. Personally, I am dumbfounded as to why his reality show and his page are nominated for deletion. JGHOLDINGS is a holdings firm, fully legitimate, and definitely not owned by a teenager, Joseph Azarian. I have researched this topic and I can see where you are coming from since it does appear that his family do control the channel, but I am positive that they don't. I hope I cleared a few things up for you! Johnmichaels123 ( talk) 22:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Johnmichaels123 reply

Hi everybody! I'm a fan of the show and Joseph and I aided in the creation of the Wikipedia page. I have researched it for a long time, I'm a big fan!! JGHOLDINGS has been around since before Joseph could do long division, User:Fram, so okay... And when I was younger I read KCNN Post, also before Joseph was old enough to do long division! It's completely legit. Hope this helps! Nextentfan ( talk) 22:55, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Nextentfan reply

Welcome, bunch of unrelated new editors. Nice try, but at the moment you could all read [29] (if someone would try to change it, you can see the same at [30]). What does it say at the top? "It’s no secret that KCNN has become affiliated with JGHOLDINGS". Of course, one doesn't have to go so deep to find the link, the main KCNN page starts with "KCNN Christmas. PART OF THE JGHOLDINGS FAMILY". [31] So obviously you were all mislead and KCNN is a part of JG anyway. So an article on KCNN promoting a show from JGHoldings is not an independent source, bringing the number of independent reliable sources about the show and the person back to zero. By the way, KCNN looks impressive, but seems to have problems. The "About KCNN" link leads to an Error 404 on " http://kcnnparents.jgcontentnetwork.com/404.html" (notice the "jgcontentnetwork" there? What a coincidence). The bottom of every page also states "© 2015 JG Holdings". So please, next time you kids try to impress us by coming here in droves, at least do your homework a bit better. Fram ( talk) 07:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete both Someone playing "fantasy TV" using a show whose only presence is on Vimeo for $2 (!) an episode, which I'm going to say in no uncertain terms, takes massive cajones to try to do for someone with no presence in popular culture (even our worst hoaxes at least use free websites to pass things through, but paid Vimeo downloads? That's beyond sad), and I don't even have to go deep on Warner Bros. Television being a bit ticked that their show of the same title is having their copyright violated. Even the most two-bit video shows at least do Patreon to fund their shows as a last-resort, and KCNN is woefully terrible as a source. Hilariously WP:COI-packed article that has no place here. Nate ( chatter) 04:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 17:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Delete per crystal. Sources are substandard and most are photo galleries. Hell in a Bucket ( talk) 04:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

@ Hell in a Bucket: Pardon, but you've overlooked that WP:CRYSTAL does not somehow forbid articles about completed films simply pending release. For those instances we look to WP:BEFORE and more importantly to WP:NFF (paragraph 3). Schmidt, Michael Q. 07:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  16:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The article's subject does not meet the notability guidelines for companies and organizations. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 16:10, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete This is clearly a major Department of Energy Program that grants large amounts of money, but the vast majority of the sources that I find are 1) from the DOE and program partners 2) announcements of grants. I did find these two, not major, IMO: Interview, early article. If someone is interested, it would be appropriate, IMO, to link to the program from pages for awardees. LaMona ( talk) 18:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete The only non-primary source is the Power Engineering article. The others are primary sources (interview directly with program sponsor and Oak Ridge, a co-sponsor or similar). As such, fails WP:GNG. Article also would likely require major rewrite (not a deal-breaker, I know). Chrisw80 ( talk) 04:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment  WP:BEFORE D1 states, ..."Google scholar is suggested for academic topics."  I get 488 hits on ["Innovative and Novel Computational Impact on Theory and Experiment" DOE] when I check Google scholar.  WP:BEFORE B5 shows that there are ten links that would be broken if this topic is deleted.  Unscintillating ( talk) 02:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. this may be borderline notable, but the article is a press release. If someone wants to write a proper article, they can try again in draft space--with much stronger 3rd party sources. DGG ( talk ) 06:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep More than enough reliable sources. And Kvng very nicely added them to the talk page. Does need a rewrite. -- MurderByDeletionism "bang!" 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete The article itself has only primary sources. Various references have been suggested here and on the talk page, but IMO they fail to provide the necessary support for GNG. Some are primary; some are passing mentions in an article about something else; and some read like a reprint or rehash of a press release. None are from what we normally think of as Significant or Reliable Sources. As for the Google Scholar hits, they appear to be mostly acknowledgements of financial or computer support - not actual coverage. -- MelanieN ( talk) 03:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete: like an ad. 333 -blue 05:18, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. MelanieN ( talk) 03:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable hip hop producers. They have a YouTube channel but no coverage in reliable sources. They claim to have collaborated with notable artists but all I can find are unsolicited remixes on their YouTube channel. The two external links are dead.

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  • Non-intelligent Wikipedia user. As a Producer in Trap Mafia, Mvrino, I'll be first to say, PichPich, you are absolutely incorrect about the allegations you are preceding to make. You're honestly wasting your time. Trap Mafia Beatz is legit. We are active on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat where our presence is greatly felt. You don't know what you're talking about. You are very un-informed in music production obviously. A "type beat" on YouTube is not an "un-solicited YouTube remix". It is simply a "type beat". A TYPE of BEAT influenced by an artist or producer of higher ranking. Hence the video labels "808 Mafia x Future type beat". They influenced the beat, they are not a part of the beats creation. Also, our websites are NOT dead. They were under construction at the time you attempted to use the links. Click the links now. They'll take you right to our sites where you can purchase and/or listen to a wide array of beats. Don't ever claim that we are "non-notable". We have a lot of credit in this industry. And anyone who is mentioned in our production credits on that Wikipedia page, we HAVE worked with. The is no need to lie about it. I have contact to the artists and producers myself. And I'll contact them for you if you need further "dumbing-down" of this altercation. Congratulations PichPich, you've wasted your time. Have a good day.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassanfurrwiki ( talkcontribs) 15:49, 25 January 2016

[[User:Trap Mafia Beatz|Trap Mafia Beatz] Also since we are so "non-notable" how about you look up our songs. Here is every song that we have with our credited artists: Costra Nostra Yayo - Everyday ft. Strap Da Fool (of Travis Porter) [Prod. By Trap Mafia] | Go Yayo - Scando [Prod. By Trap Mafia] | Go Yayo - Big Homie [Prod. By Trap Mafia] | Cosa Nostra Kidd - Holy Moly ft. Skooly [Prod. By Cosa Nostra Beats of Trap Mafia] | Young Goldie - MMM [Prod. By Cosa Nostra Beats of Trap Mafia] | Costra Nostra Kidd - Stop Cappin' ft. Street Money Boochie [Prod. By Cosa Nostra Beats of Trap Mafia] | Jiggy Jaxx - Runnin' Thru These Bandz ft. Asco100k [Prod. By Roscoe Beatz of Trap Mafia] | Trula Gang - On My Head [Prod. By Trap Mafia] ( 206.127.141.20 ( talk) 14:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)) reply

Have fun looking those up bud. ( 206.127.141.20 ( talk) 14:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC) HDF) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassanfurrwiki ( talkcontribs) 13:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply

(copied from my talk page) Let me reiterate that the issue here is that Trap Mafia has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The list above does not address this issue. Note that notability is not inherited and in any case, it's not clear that any of the artists above are notable to start with. Finally, let me remind you that you are currently editing with a conflict of interest. Wikipedia is not a social networking service or free web host and you can't create "Wikipedia presence" like you create "Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/YouTube presence". Pichpich ( talk) 18:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. A clear consensus following relisting. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 14:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG; no reliable 3rd party sources have been provided and I've failed to find any significant coverage of this medical centre in my searches. Article appears to have been created solely for promotional purposes, seemingly by employees of the company concerned (though I've listed that concern at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and I suggest we don't dwell on it here). UkPaolo/ talk 22:05, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Userfy to User:Mliggett835. After two relistings there is not a clear consensus to keep or delete, but the author indicated a desire to try to improve the article and was encouraged by the other commenters. I will explain what is needed on their talk page. -- MelanieN ( talk) 04:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Musician who fails to meet wp:creative. Current sources seem short, not overly reliable or not independent. My web search did not turn up anything else. Happy Squirrel ( talk) 22:05, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Question: I'm the author of this article. Clearly it's my first time working with Wikipedia and I wanted to clarify: is the issue here that there needs to be more verbose articles referenced in the citations? I use citations from sites neither of us have control over so as to stay impartial. Is it more a matter of having longer articles, then? The artist and I are working on compiling more sources to strengthen the article with a couple interviews and other write-ups from a while back. They are older so many of them don't easily appear in Google searches. Would this be sufficient to keep the article? Mliggett835 ( talk) 16:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Reply sourcing to meet notability guidelines is what is needed here. You are on the right track using websites that are independent. However, what is missing is depth (length is a decent indicator) and reliability (some kind of editorial fact checking policy, or other reputation for publishing good material). Happy Squirrel ( talk) 03:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as the author will have to add further solid in-depth third-party sources overall to better satisfy the notability guidelines. SwisterTwister talk 00:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. A clear consensus following relisting. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG; no reliable 3rd party sources have been provided and I've failed to find any significant coverage of this hotel in my searches. Article appears to have been created solely for promotional purposes, seemingly by employees of the company concerned (though I've listed that concern at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and I suggest we don't dwell on it here). UkPaolo/ talk 21:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 17:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:INHERIT - Recluse daughter of two famous individuals. Sources mention her, but are written about others, with the exception of blogs and obituaries. Fails WP:GNG on her own merits; article shows more of what she did not do than what she did. Of particular encylopedic note is a sourced statement that she attended a wedding... and that she maintained a friendship... ScrpIron IV 21:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep, Suzanne was the "keeper of the records" on her mother, Vivien Leigh and is mentioned in numerous articles as being important in her mother's life. Take a look at the extensive bibliography alone. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 21:57, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
That's pretty much my point. Most normal people's children are important in their lives. She is mentioned, but not the subject of anything. Merge her article to her parents, at best. ScrpIron IV 14:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Repeat The article is much more in depth than that, it also has had at least 10 editors whohave contributed and developed the article over time. There are plenty of other articles that are much less detailed or supported by reference sources than this. I count at least a half dozen sources that deal with her, although, granted, her connection to her famous mother is always addressed. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 16:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • reluctant keep I basically agree with Nom/Scorpion. No accomplishment, and the fact that her mother was famous doesn't justify an article. Except that mundane details of her childhood were covered by the press, her wedding garnered long, detailed news stories, she is covered in books about Leigh, and when she died The Telegraph ran an obituary. So the sourcers are there. But what also impresses me is the traffic this article gets. 5,000 or 6,000 people come to read this article every month. So, although she looks to me like a young woman who led an unnoteworthy life, the news coverage and the numbers of people who read the article do seem to establish notability. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 03:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep. There can be cases where the children of famous people can attract sufficient attention in their own right (even without any specific accomplishments of their own) to be notable. This is one of them, because of the significant coverage in all biographies of the actress. this is one of the few genuine instances I've seen at AfD, except for children of heads of state. DGG ( talk ) 07:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - The question is not whether you or I or anyone thinks that an article topic is "worthy" or whether an individual is "important enough" to merit encyclopedic biography, but rather whether the topic or individual has been covered in sufficient depth by multiple independently-published sources of presumed reliability to support such a piece. This person has. Passes GNG. Carrite ( talk) 16:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:10, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I don't think this meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Professional society not that exclusive, coverage not enough. Sending WP:APPNOTE to Gwen Gale, Eastmain and Ged UK. Has been tagged for notability for 6 years; hopefully we can now get it resolved one way or the other. Boleyn ( talk) 20:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete Blimey, there's a blast from the past. There's no doubt she exists, but there's nothing there that says she's notable. I can't find anything substantial, just basic bios. Ged UK  13:22, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. I placed lesser weight on the argument to keep, which did not discuss how the article is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 02:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Promotional advertisement, created by a user [35] who has worked on spamming this website's link on wikipedia. [36] [37] [38] [39] Capitals00 ( talk) 07:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep It is a well known website on Internet which offers translation of Buddhists scriptures in various languages. Its very informative also. No NEED for deletion at all. Buddhist Scholars use this website for scholarly purposes. It's a quite well known website in the Buddhist world. Terabar ( talk) 11:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
None of these are reasons to keep the article. " Well known" is too subjective to be a criteria for keeping an article, as is " informative". Does the subject meet WP:GNG, or WP:WEB? - Aoidh ( talk) 00:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • My apologies if this is the wrong place to respond. In response to Capitals00, I did not spam anything, and would appreciate it if you withdrew that accusation. Look at the cases you cite. In the first two links you give, I removed a link to metta.lk and replaced it with a suttacentral link. metta.lk is an archaic and poorly maintained site, which frequently experiences downtime. In fact it is down as I write this. I replaced this with an accurate and reliable link to a modern site. In the third link, I replaced a link to search.nibbanam.com, which just leads to a "coming soon" notice. In the final case, I added a link to the text where there was none in the original post. In none of these, or any other cases, have I spammed Wikipedia. The pages are obviously improved by my edits. My only mistake, which I freely acknowledge, was that I didn't carefully read the guidelines for making edits—they are long and complicated and I don't have the time. So yes, I am the developer for SuttaCentral and, according to the strict rules, I should not have made these edits. My bad. But I believed—and still do—that the edits are obviously required, in order for the relevant pages to stay up to date with current web resources. It is absurd to characterize this as spamming. The appropriate response would have been to send me a personal message informing me of that rule and asking that I comply with it in future. Sujato ( talk) 23:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • To add to my previous message, I have now looked in more detail at Wikipedia's policy, and I do not believe I have violated anything. What I did was clearly not Citation spam which, in accord with the guidelines there, “should not be confused with legitimate good-faith additions intended to verify article content and help build the encyclopedia.” Furthermore, uncontroversial edits include repairing broken links, which is mostly what I did. These guidelines seem reasonable to me, and I now do not believe that I have broken any of them. Unless I hear otherwise, I will revert the changes. They are entirely uncontroversial, and anyone who knows the topic would agree that these links improve the site. Sujato ( talk) 07:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - The article fails WP:GNG and WP:WEB. The only reference that could be viewed as a third-party reliable source that discusses the article's subject in any detail is this, which reads like a press release more than anything, and the bio of the "author" is literally Lorem ipsum filler. One questionable source does not meet WP:GNG. - Aoidh ( talk) 00:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was nomination withdrawn due to sourcing improvements and change in page focus. Bearcat ( talk) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a writer and artist, which makes no strong claim of notability for either endeavour. The only source here isn't about her, but merely namechecks her existence in an article that's otherwise about the subject of her book. As always, a person is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because it's possible to verify that they exist — it takes substantive coverage in reliable sources supporting a credible claim of notability to get a person in here, but neither of those things are present in this article at all. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 21:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Delete - insufficient evidence of notability. TheBlueCanoe 23:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep, refocus and rename to Edgewise (book) per the significant coverage in reliable sources. I have rewritten the article.
    1. Hertling, Pati (Fall 2014). "Chloé Griffin's Edgewise: A Picture of Cookie Mueller". Bomb. No. 129. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    2. Kessler, Matt (2015-01-19). "Edgewise: A Picture of Cookie Mueller by Chloé Griffin". The Rumpus. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    3. Molotkow, Alexandra (2014-12-08). "The unique genius of Cookie Mueller". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    4. Earnest, Jarrett (2014-10-03). "How it Feels to be on Fire: Reading Cookie Mueller Today". The Brooklyn Rail. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    5. Jeppesen, Travis (2015-01-03). "Edgewise: A Picture of Cookie Mueller". frieze. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    6. Desroches, Steve (2014-10-29). "REVIEW: Edgewise: A Picture of Cookie Mueller by Chloé Griffin". Provincetown Magazine. Archived from the original on 2016-01-18. Retrieved 2016-01-18.
    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Edgewise: A Picture of Cookie Mueller to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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  • I see that essentially, this has already been rewritten and well-sourced into an article about the book, instead of a WP:BLP of its writer. On that basis, I'm going to withdraw this nomination and go ahead with the page move proposed by Cunard above. Thanks, y'all. Bearcat ( talk) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Individual academic department in a medical school. Such departments are almost never notable, and this is no exception. Could conceivably be merged, but I think thee is nothing worth merging. DGG ( talk ) 00:37, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, uncontested. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Won some preliminary round of a pageant, but did not win or place. No evidence she passes WP:NMODEL. Legacypac ( talk) 09:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, uncontested. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Model who won a preliminarily round to minor event - Top Model of the World. Most of the sources here are about the actual winners of the events she did not win. While the article claims she was Miss Earth Armenia, it also says she was simply appointed to go to Miss Earth, where she did not place. Fails WP:NMODEL. Legacypac ( talk) 09:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus. North America 1000 01:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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All references are related to Brookfield Asset Management. Assuming that notability is not inherited, the person is not notable enough Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 08:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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You can't vote multiple times for your own article :) You can continue adding relevant information, but the last keep is definitely out of context. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 12:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • First of all I feel the need to apologize for using the word Keep in my last comment, since it seems to have been misleading. But I would like to point out that this discussion forum is not a "vote" and it should not matter if the word "keep" is used in a comment. My understanding is that all arguments are evaluated by an independent editor, and a decision as to whether to "keep" "merge" or "delete" is made, not based on counting the number of "votes" but on an assessment of the arguments and an objective examination of the article in question. Since it appears that Arthistorian is the only one in this discussion who even suggested deleting, and all other votes are for merge or keep, I feel we need to be perhaps somewhat suspicious of the motives of Arthistorian. I will reiterate what I tried to say above, but this time without the word "keep," that I am doing more research, and have added some more information about Ric Clark, and hope to continue to, and hope more wiki editors will continue to contribute to this article. I feel Ric Clark is notable enough to have his own independent wikipedia article, as many other CEOs of large companies also have their own Wikipedia articles. Forget Paris ( talk) 07:55, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - CEO of a huge realty company. Bearian ( talk) 20:15, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:49, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I could see an article for the series, just not the character. Mark Schierbecker ( talk) 07:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was Keep The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Biography of a person famous for one event only (WP:BIO1E). His only notable discovery was Comet Hyakutake, and the other comet he found is not notable. Also, the fact that a minor planet is named after him is not notable; it is a mostly symbolic gesture which happens fairly regularly in astronomy. Astro4686 ( talk) 06:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Keep Coverage regularly notes his first comet discovery. Sources bring him up as an example of how an amateur astronomer can make a difference in the field of astronomy. His death was noted in at least two sources. I have added sources to the article. Thisisnotatest ( talk) 07:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi Thisisnotatest, thank you for your response. I'm still concerned about the issue of single-event notability. Although sources do identify him as an example of an amateur who made a difference, this notability still stems almost solely from his spectacular discovery of Comet Hyakutake. For example, the obituary linked to by his article describes him exclusively in relation to that discovery. I'm afraid that I don't see any notability per Wikipedia guidelines beyond that single event. While he did discover a second comet, it hasn't received significant coverage, and it's not uncommon for talented amateur astronomers to discover comets. Astro4686 ( talk) 08:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Comet Hyakutake without prejudice against recreating the article if enough verifiable information about his other activities comes forward as to make it inappropriate to include in that article. The article can have a separate section about the discoverer (in addition to the discovery) so that information isn't lost. I see from the sources that this was definitely a notable discovery worthy of a separate article for the discoverer, but there's not enough information to make a compelling second article at present; but these are the sorts of things that can be done out of AfD; the subject's notability here is a pass/keep. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment WP:BIO1E does NOT say that people only famous for one event should not have an article. It specifically states: "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate." That is why Wikipedia has articles on assassins like Sirhan Sirhan who were famous only for one event. If the issue revolves around one event, the question that must be considered here is whether Comet Hyakutake is a "highly significant" event and whether Hyakutake's "role within it is a large one." I don't see an argument being made on these terms yet. A separate question, however, is whether there is something notable about Hyakutake other than this one comet. But even if he fails on that question, he can still be notable under WP:BIO1E if the conditions I quoted hold. Michitaro ( talk) 03:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment Hi Michitaro, thank you for clarifying matters; I can see that I didn't really articulate the issue very well. I would argue that Mr. Hyakutake's relation to Comet Hyakutake is not sufficiently significant to merit a separate article. Although Mr. Hyakutake discovered the comet, someone else would have inevitably done so had he not. In addition, Mr. Hyakutake was not responsible for the qualities of the comet that made it notable. The comet was not notable for simply getting discovered by someone; rather, it became notable because it was very bright, widely seen by people across the world, and well studied by scientists. Mr. Hyakutake didn't have any control over these three things. By contrast, with Michitaro's example of the assassin Sirhan Sirhan, it is highly uncertain whether someone else would have eventually assassinated RFK, and as the assassin of a major political figure, Sirhan had a fundamental, indispensable role in the notability of RFK's tragic death. Astro4686 ( talk) 04:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply
That does seem like a reasonable argument. My sense from looking over the Japanese coverage is that the best rejoinder to your argument is his amateur status. That is, it would not have been the same if another astronomer had found it, especially a professional one. At least in Japan, the comet seemed to get extra coverage because it was discovered by an amateur, and a Japanese one at that. One obit I found for him celebrated him as a hero to amateur astronomers everywhere. I'll try to collect these together to present here, but right now I am leaning towards keep. Michitaro ( talk) 23:02, 13 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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Keep per rationale of Thisisnotatest-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 04:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Never visited the Main Page in the last couple of months. Just looked at the expiring AfD and found this discussion. And I also consider myself a decently experienced user, considering my over 60,000 edits and the several thousand new articles I created. The contemptuous comment above is just a typical example of Assuming bad faith. -- Cavarrone 11:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Sorry to take so long, but I wanted to check some of the major newspapers like the Asahi and the Yomiuri, but they are behind paywalls and I needed to go to a library to do that. All had obituaries when he died (which helps in terms of WP:GNG), which stressed not only his discovery of the comet, but also that he was the head of the Starland Aira observatory at the end of his life ( ja:スターランドAIRA). As I stated above, one way he is remembered is not just as the discoverer of the comet, but as an amateur who discovered the comet. Here is one obit that mentions him as the man who realized the dreams of many amateur astronomers [40], and another that says he might have been the most famous Japanese astronomer worldwide [41]. What seals it for me, however, is the fact that he won an award from the Japanese Ministry of the Environment not just for discovering the comet, but mainly for his work educating the public about astronomy and the environment [42]. I think this is strong evidence that WP:BIO1E does not apply here. Michitaro ( talk) 16:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, per Michitaro and others. – SchroCat ( talk) 17:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was merge to Seven Network. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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insufficient evidence for notability of the video on demand software DGG ( talk ) 05:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete if needed but certainly Redirect to Seven Network as my searches actually fond a few links here and there at News and browsers but there's simply nothing to suggest a better notable separate article. Notifying the only still noticeably active 1st AfDer Tokyogirl79. SwisterTwister talk 06:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I have added a bit more information since this opened up, and I'm certain there is more relevent information that could be added. It does air exclusive titles, full seasons of older programs as well as providing the only method of live streaming Seven's linear broadcast channels, all of which should meet notability. I would agree more sources and some more info should be added. -- Whats new? (talk) 06:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect & Put as a Section of Seven Network, Not particularly significant or notable on it's own; I see it more as a WP:CFORK. This should be put as a section of Seven Network, and changed to a redirect. Aeonx ( talk) 07:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I'm slightly undecided on this. There are some miniature reviews here and there as well as notifications that the service is available on various platforms, which is more than the article had at the last AfD. However the main issue here is that ultimately there's not a lot going on here source-wise. Many of the articles about new platforms are fairly brief and are along the lines of "this is where you can get this". It's not really anything major and could be considered routine coverage of a sort. I'm also not really certain that we particularly need a list of every place that someone can download this service, since that runs the risk of being a bit of a directory/database or otherwise somewhat indiscriminate information. We could sum this up quite easily by saying that the service is available on Internet-connected TVs and Blu-ray players, mobile devices, and games consoles, then list one or two of the various platforms as an example. The content in the rest of the article is also fairly brief when you get down to it, which does kind of make me wonder if this couldn't just be summed up in a section in the main article for the company, with the option to be restored if the service gains enough coverage to warrant a stronger keep. It's been out for about 5-6 years now and the coverage for this is still fairly nonexistent. It's possible that it could eventually gain enough platforms and coverage to where it could go to HBO Go size, but at this point it seems unlikely. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Maybe won a local event. Everything else she was appointed to and lost. All sources are to non-RS fansites. Fails WP:NMODEL Legacypac ( talk) 19:41, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep. I find Legacypac's tone somewhat disparaging. A "local" event that she won placed her number one in her country. She has been a fixture of Russian and Georgian modeling/tv scene for a few years and participated in a nationally televised reality show. Notability does not mean that every Canadian from British Columbia like Legacypac has to know her. Moreover, not a single source on her page is a fan site, as alleged - they are sites dedicated to beauty pageants, which does not automatically make it non-RS. There are other sources out there, which I found and included in the article. The article in question is relatively new and improvements have to be sought before going on a deletion spree.-- Damianmx ( talk) 03:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep: Absurd. She's a national titleholder and competed in the two most reputable pageants in the world. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 03:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Let's clear some things up. 'Casting call' and 'appointed' mean she did not win a title, but rather was selected in a closed process, just as other actors are selected. globalbeauties.com and the other pageant site listed are blogs - not WP:RS with a demonstrated history of fact checking or editorial oversight. Sourcing directly to the pageant business site is WP:PRIMARY and not considered the independent third part coverage required to establish notability. There is not enough evidence in the article to show she passes WP:MODEL, but if more can be provided please put it in. Merely participating in a pageant is not notable as found in dozens of recent AfDs. Generally most of these contestants have their WP:BLP1E and go on to their non-notable lives so absent a strongly sourced claim otherwise in the article it is safe to assume they belong on a list somewhere per WP:NOPAGE. Legacypac ( talk) 04:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The one "keep" doesn't make a good argument how we have sourcing that meets WP:GNG - only WP:V, perhaps, but even that's a stretch.  Sandstein  16:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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No evidence she even won a pageant. Only source is a non-RS fan site. Not worth an article, already found on the appropriate list at Miss_Georgia_(country) Legacypac ( talk) 19:36, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete Simply not seeing anything on a Google search even after filtering out all the social networking/non-RS pages. The best thing I found was about the director of the library of Tbilisi State University who shares her name, in a police report about stolen books. Mabalu ( talk) 20:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep  I got a 404 error when trying to check the source in the article.  I don't know what language is used in Georgia, so there is a WP:BIAS issue with the sources, WP:IRS states that all sourcing must be considered in the context for which it is being used, there was another source provided at the previous AfD, and there are sources found through following WP:BEFORE B6 on ka.wikipedia.org.  Further, non-notability is not a topic deletion argument without the topic also being insignificant, and it is established in the nomination that this topic already exists on en.wikipedia.org.  Article needs Template:cn tags.  I'm not sure if the content contributors want to keep this as an article, but this is AfD, not article cleanup.  Unscintillating ( talk) 03:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Comment - I've looked at the sources given on ka.wikipedia.org and they aren't much cop - they took me to photo collection pages and blogs, not exactly reliable sources. The Pagentopolis page is dead, and a glance at the archived pages on Wayback Machine really doesn't suggest there was ever anything significant beyond her being namechecked. With respect to Unscintillating's keep argument, I really don't see any compelling rationale for her to have a standalone article - there was FAR more coverage of her male doppelganger in relation to the book thefts. Mabalu ( talk) 02:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the heads up about the male doppelganger, as it alerted me to the issue when I encountered it.

The photo collection was rosengurtt.co.uk, which has a dedicated page with 27 pictures of the topic.  infofashion.ro in Romania has a similar page, [43],.  [44] tells the story that the first two finishers in Miss Georgia 2007 were disqualified.  Here is the bio from Miss World 2007, [45], which reliably sources the bio information in the article.

I also started looking at some of the other contestants for Miss World 2007, and they all seem to have pages.  With 106 contestants, it doesn't work to merge this page there, and Miss Georgia (country) is not much better.  Deleting is not a valid policy option since the material is reliably sourced and everyone agrees that the topic is significantUnscintillating ( talk) 09:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply

See WP:NOPAGE for why at best we keep her name on a lists, and she fails WP:NMODEL, which answer the points above. Legacypac ( talk) 02:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
WP:NOPAGE is not an argument for deletion.  Unscintillating ( talk) 09:06, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  16:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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COI article on non-notable start-up that did not accomplish much before going out of business in 2014. 1st AFD resulted in deletion. Renata ( talk) 18:01, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete (CSD G4): Deleted at AfD in Dec 2013, copied to user space and then restored after removing links to the founders' Linkedin pages. The original AfD rationale was not the presence of LinkedIn ELs, but notability of the firm. I see no substantial improvement over the deleted version, so the original decision should re-apply. AllyD ( talk) 07:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The original AfD received exactly one comment. There wasn't much of a discussion. I was not aware of the AfD when it happened. After I noticed it, I contacted the admin who had deleted it, and he restored the deleted article to my user space, after I asked him to. The original AfD seemed to have justified the deletion solely based on presence of the LinkedIn ELs. As such, I got rid of the LinkedIn ELs, and moved the page back. There are multiple third-party references in the articles, that IMHO make it notable per WP:NOTE guidelines. The original AfD appears to be more of an act of deletionist zeal, than thoughtful consideration or discussion. Arjun G. Menon ( talk · mail) 18:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: kikin is fairly notable, according to WP:NOTE guidelines. There are multiple references to third-party news articles, that support the notability of kikin, and of some of the products they had developed. I don't think we have a policy of deleting articles about startups that have gone out of business on Wikipedia. Don't the third-party sources in the article show its notability? ( Renata, I must say I find your statement of "did not accomplish much before going out of business" unnecessary and tangential to the discussion, and a bit personally insulting. I worked for this company, and the people there worked hard and built a great product, but it wasn't able to gain a lot of traction. This is a fate shared by 90% of startups. I think we should keep the article if anything for the sake of the historical record.) Arjun G. Menon ( talk · mail) 18:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Note on COI/NPOV: I have previously worked for kikin Inc., but my relationship with the subject of the article, did not color my contributions to the article. My contributions to the article would have been no different, even if it had been some other random company that I had no connection to. I think this article has a neutral point of view and is written in encyclopedic style. If you have accusations to the contrary, please point them out specifically so that I or some other editor can actually fix any NPOV-related deficiencies (instead of thoughtlessly deleting the whole article).
I noticed that AllyD has plastered a conflict of interest template to the article, which states, to quote: "It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view." But AllyD has not left any comments here, or on the article's talk page pointing out specific instances or portions of the article that lack a NPOV. It should be pretty obvious to anyone that a contributor's close connection to an article's subject does not automatically imply bias or a lack of a NPOV. I am fully capable of writing neutrally about things I have a close connection to. >.< Arjun G. Menon ( talk · mail) 19:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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Delete. There's a lot of references in the article, but none of them really impress me. A bunch of them are to kikin's own (apparently defunct) web site. A couple are to patents (which don't prove notability). The rest are industry blogs and all look like routine coverage and warmed-over press releases. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Our Gang. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:02, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I don't think he had a significant enough career as an actor to warrant a stand-alone article on Wikipedia. OscarL 16:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, uncontested. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Placed 2nd in a pageant which let her go to Miss Earth where she lost. Fails WP:NMODEL. Legacypac ( talk) 16:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, uncontested. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Second place in a pageant, fails WP:NMODEL. Legacypac ( talk) 09:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Essentially a catalog of their products. There will be nothing much left if the promotional content is removed, except the photo of the board of directors DGG ( talk ) 20:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Too Many Cooks (short). Will preserve the history in case anyone wants to merge any of it J04n( talk page) 19:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fictional character that appeared only in one 11-minute short film and has no lines. What coverage he has received can't be dissociated from coverage of the short film as a whole, making this character insufficiently notable for a separate article.  Sandstein  20:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep or merge - he is definitely a notable character, he is covered by a multitude of sources and serves a pivotal point in the story. As for "has no lines", the film is mostly non-speaking (aside from the hospital scene), which voids the argument as fallacious. EauZenCashHaveIt ( I'm All Ears) 23:05, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, no independent notability established. Stifle ( talk) 11:03, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, because there are sources talking about the puppet's creation and such, and about the Twitter debate. Both of these things are sourced, interesting to readers, and wouldn't have been well explained in another article. Philmonte101 😊😄😞 ( talk) 23:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The Internet likes cats and arguing, but this one's whole career is a few seconds long and can be summed up entirely in the Cooks article. If there is a "star" in this "story", it's the killer, and he doesn't deserve a standalone article either. Nor the closet girl. All just pieces of the actually notable thing. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
@ User:InedibleHulk That is only because neither of them we're given names. Smarf, also, is the only character that was given an actual name that was mentioned in the entire short. The rest were just names of actors. Philmonte101 😊😄😞 ( talk) 03:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The killer is called The Killer. He's the only one with an IMDB profile. And it is empty, just like him. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Don't forget "Coat" and "Pie", either. Some of Lars Von Trier's finest work. Matthew Kody Foster could've tried a lot harder. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:18, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
@ User:InedibleHulk you really shouldn't use IMDB as a point of reference. I haven't spent much time at all on IMDB honestly compared to other websites, but from what I can see it's like wikis; anyone (with an account) can go in and put in or change information at any time. A lot of the things I see on IMDB are particularly incorrect or are missing a large amount of information. I wouldn't trust your statements about any of these IMDB links as true, not because of you, but because of IMDB. Philmonte101 😊😄😞 ( talk) 17:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm for giving him a beefier spot in the article, but not just plopping this pile of words onto that one. Everything important he did in the credits and everything that's been said about him (in reliable secondary sources) shouldn't take more than seven sentences. As a bonus, this would be an excuse to write an entire Plot section there. Inquiring minds want to know about the button. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:15, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I'm OK with a merger, but as noted above it would have to be a selective one, not just moving everything over.  Sandstein  09:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Consensus is that the topic does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. North America 1000 01:30, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:GNG Cubbie15fan ( talk) 20:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. North America 1000 01:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I couldn't establish that it is WP:NOTABLE Boleyn ( talk) 20:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Possible future sports team which might take part in a tournament which might occur at some point in 2017 - or may not. I can't find anything at all in terms of reliable sourcing to suggest the team will exist. Seems to fail WP:NOTCRYSTAL entirely Blue Square Thing ( talk) 19:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reasons:

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by the nominator and there are no other arguments for deletion. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 13:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article has no citations. I can't sources why this painter is notable Sander.v.Ginkel ( Talk) 19:45, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply


Withdrawn by nominator and so speedy keep: I digged into it, and expanded the article a bit. I think he meets notability, as he exposed in many countries. Sander.v.Ginkel ( Talk) 21:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:00, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Per WP:CRYSTAL, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." The references used in the article suggest that this proposed tournament is not certain to take place. It mentions that the group that is proposing this competition has "there are wheels spinning on a potential Americas Champions League" and will "hopefully [create] the area’s premier club competition", but that "there is no timetable" for the event. The head of the group in charge of organizing this competition adds "With my company, MP & Silva, we have started the possibility to launch an Americas Champions League". It seems clear that this competition is anything but certain to take place. Bmf 051 ( talk) 04:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Keep I disagree with the deletion rationale – this is a concept rather than a scheduled event, and I don't think WP:CRYSTAL applies. Many of us in the UK will remember the proposed Atlantic League, which received a good deal of coverage, but never materialised. I think the coverage for this idea (including in the international media) suggests it is notable enough for an article. What I am concerned about here is the fact that the article reads like a press release by MP & Silva, but this can be resolved by a rewrite rather than deletion. Number 5 7 12:24, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - There was some media coverage about this when MP & Silva made this suggestion, but nothing since. There's no indication that it's going anywere. As Notability isn't temporary WP:NTEMP it doesn't meet WP:GNG. No reason this idea can't be mentioned on the page about this company. Nfitz ( talk) 22:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - doesn't have the same kind of significant and widespread (over a couple of years) coverage as the Atlantic League. I'm not convinced with what's there. Giant Snowman 19:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Has received significant coverage as a proposition in multiple top level international media outlets and so seems clearly notable per GNG. The argument above that the competition isn't going anywhere seems to be jumping the gun a bit as there is clearly sourced reports of activity only a few months ago. Either way, this is not a reason for deletion as the proposal has already received significant coverage. Fenix down ( talk) 08:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Where is this significant coverage? It received routine coverage in September 2015 when the marketing company behind it made their announcement. But like the signing of a 16-year-old by Big Deal FC, there's little more. Nfitz ( talk) 16:00, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete  The sentence in the article, "This issue will certainly be addressed through careful, analytical planning and scheduling." is in Wikipedia's voice, and is only one example of a WP:NOTPROMOTION problem.  I looked at one of the sources dated 15 August 2015, where Silva "revealed to SBI on Wednesday", "We are starting this and we think it will be feasible. We will see."  Wikipedia can wait as well.  Unscintillating ( talk) 23:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - I'm not seeing, nor am I finding, any in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources. Onel5969 TT me 13:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - This competition is still in the planning stages. It's not like the UEFA Champions League which has existed and had all the logistics worked out; this proposed competition still requires the approval of FIFA, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, and every national federation before any timetable could be established. Once all the logistics are hammered and the first competition is definitively scheduled, the article can be recreated, but that could be years away. Obvious WP:CRYSTALBALL. —  Jkudlick •  t •  c •  s 17:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:28, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Insufficient notability for this project, does not meet WP:ARTIST. Article created by an indef-blocked editor with a history of fabrication and suspected hoaxes (see, e.g., this and this). Not in Benezit, no hits on Scholar, JSTOR and so on. He apparently has a work or works in the Pinacoteca Ambrosiana, as do many people. Although the collection of the Fondazione Cariplo is given as a see-also, his name is not in their pull-down list of artists or mentioned anywhere on their website. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 19:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:33, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NGRIDIRON Joeykai ( talk) 20:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • Delete - Non-notable former college football player, and pro practice squad member who has not played in a regular season game. Subject does not satisfy specific notability criteria for a college athletes per WP:NCOLLATH, nor for pro football players per WP:NGRIDIRON, and lacks significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources to satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. Without prejudice to recreate if and when subject plays in a regular season NFL game. Closing admin should userfy on request for article creator. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 10:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • FYI, Lancasteronline.com = LPN = LPN Media Group = Lancaster Patriot-News = The Patriot-News, are all one and the same source, and the subject's hometown newspaper in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Associated Press wire coverage of the Little All-America selections is a mere listing, and the Little All-America Team is not a major CFB award or honor and objectively is of far less significance than even minor selectors of Division I FBS All-America teams. In order to satisfy GNG, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:10, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I believe you are incorrect. The The Patriot News appears to be distinct from the LNP Media Group (not "LPN"). Accordingly, there is significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. That said, there is a tendency to discount (but not disregard) sources from smaller media outlets. I'm not sufficiently familiar with Lancaster County, though I note that The Patriot News claims half a million weekly readers. Because of my lack of familiarity, and also because I tend to hold Division II players to a higher standard, I am on the fence on this one. Cbl62 ( talk) 17:24, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I stand corrected: we have coverage in not one, but two hometown newspapers. The usual measure of paid circulation is the daily number of hard copies actually sold, which averaged roughly 62,000 for the 6 months ending September 30, 2014 according to the Audit Bureau of Circulation. "Readers" is the happy-talk marketing number, and using the weekly number instead of the daily number clearly sounds more impressive. In any event, it's still a slender thread upon which to base the notability of a wannabe professional athlete. I got more coverage as a junior high school art student on the front page of the "Local/People" section in my hometown newspaper with greater audited circulation -- perhaps that makes me a notable artist per GNG?
Just to be clear on the corrected tally: we have four articles, arguably significant coverage, all from the same source, LNP/Lancasteronline.com/LNP Media Group, and one "transaction" article in the separate Patriot-News, plus one bare listing of the subject's name in an AP wire article. Still looks like a GNG fail to me, lacking significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 19:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Thank you for admitting your error. However, since The Patriot-News serves Harrisburg, and Feiler is from Strasbug, which is located about 50 miles away, I don't think it can be regarded as his "hometown" newspaper. In the end, I'm not voting "keep", but it's a closer call IMO than you suggest. Cbl62 ( talk) 23:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete if that's all we have, I don't see it being enough to pass WP:GNG. More turns up, I'll listen...-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:45, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The page has good sources and the player in on an NFL roster. If the only reason this person does not require a page is because he hasn't "played a down in the NFL" then why are there so many other player pages of players that have never played a down in the NFL still active and not being reviewed? In my opinion, if a player in on an NFL roster (that includes practice squad) then a player page is noteworthy. They're are only 10 players allowed on a teams practice squad and if a team wins the Super Bowl, practice squad members are given a ring for contributing to the team. UW1941 ( talk) 16:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment your opinion is valued and you should feel free to disagree. There has been extensive discussion on this issue before, and the overall consensus is that the practice squad does not automatically qualify for notability. If the player had extensive coverage for college play or any other issue, then they could pass the general notability guideline which is based on extent of coverage in third party reliable sources. I don't think that has been achieved here, but I could be wrong and missing something (or heck I could just be wrong). Consensus can change. Keep up your disagreement.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Cbl62 ( talk · contribs)'s sources. The first and third sources from LNP Media Group provide substantial coverage of the subject. The fifth source from The Patriot News, which provides significant coverage, notes: "Feiler was a four-year starter for Bloomsburg, and he never missed a game in four years. In his senior campaign last fall, he was an Associated Press Little All-American pick, and he was tabbed an All-American by Don Hansen Football Gazette." There is enough coverage for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard ( talk) 07:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was redirect to Brazzers. Perhaps not quite consensus to delete, but certainly consensus not to retain as a separate article.  Sandstein  16:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails NFILM and the GNG not to mention WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Just an unsourced, unverified, commentary-free collection of castlists. "Best Big Bust" whatever is not a major award for excellence in any aspect of filmmaking, as required by the pertinent SNG. Abusively deprodded without explanation or article improvement by the usual suspect. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 21:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • With respect for the enthusiasm here, the niche categories for the AVN awards (which are given out separately from the main ceremony) include things like Best DVD Menus, Best Packaging Innovation, and Clever Title of the Year. I'd like to continue the discussion of a WP:PORNFILM standard elsewhere, but nobody is going to accept such broad criteria. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 23:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Those were just some suggestions of what a WP:PORNFILM guideline should include, not a suggestion of what the entire guideline should be. Your examples actually do fail my proposal of "only accept awards given specifically to the film/series itself". AVN/XBIZ/XRCO awards that would count in, for example, Wasteland (film): AVN Best Drama & Movie of the Year, XBIZ Feature Movie of the Year, and XRCO Best Release. Awards that don't count: AVN Best Actress & Best Director – Feature, XBIZ Director of the Year - Feature Release, Best Actress—Feature Movie, & Best Scene - Feature Movie, and XRCO Best Actress. Recipients of Best Actress and Best Director get to have articles per PORNBIO, but the film itself shouldn't get it's own article if Best Actress/Actor, Best Supporting Actress/Actor, Best Sex Scene, and/or Best Director are all it has. I don't have any opinion on these: AVN Best Cinematography, Best Editing, and Best Screenplay. They do technically satisfy WP:NFILM's "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" criteria, but should they also be included in WP:PORNFILM or not? Rebecca1990 ( talk) 11:52, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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I also think that a new notability guideline for pornograhic films is needed. -- Rubbish computer ( HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Merge any relevant content (like award wins, etc.) to Brazzers - It's always appeared to me that this was just a web series on that particular adult website anyways.
There is no need for a new, specific guideline for pornographic films, since NFILM already has the wording: "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking" (emphasis mine). There's always the GNG as well for just about anything. Guy1890 ( talk) 05:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Why redirect? What's the problem with this film series having it's own article? It's clearly notable on it's own from the studio. There's nothing wrong with the Best Big Bust Release/Series awards. Yes, they're genre-specific, so what? ALL porn award film/series categories are genre-specific. Even a generic-sounding category like the XRCO Award for Best Release is genre-specific, it is only given to what the porn industry calls "feature" films, which refers to a very specific type of plot/acting that excludes the student/teacher and secretary/boss story-lines of Brazzers and Naughty America as well as parodies. Rebecca1990 ( talk) 11:46, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • It's awarded off the main stage in a separate, private event. AVN doesn't think it worth televising the event where the niche awards are given out - I don't see why we should pretend they make the series notable. This, in particular, is an example of a series with low production values, low artistic quality, and zero coverage in mainstream media. Allowing this in the notability standard would just result in another spate of deletions at some later date, when people realized there was a ton of garbage sitting on the encyclopedia just because it won Best Big Bust Series.
I do think we need a PORNFILM guideline because people's individual interpretations of what constitutes a "major award" under NFLIM will vary dramatically, as evidenced here. The porn editors should have stable standards to work under, rather than having to constantly face deletion discussions based on ever-shifting criteria. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 15:19, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Being awarded on or off-stage has nothing to do with how well-known/significant an award is. Best Supporting Actress/Actor aren't always announced on-stage and we have strong consensus, unanimous in some cases, that they satisfy PORNBIO. It's obvious by looking at all the nominations this has received ( [46], [47], [48], [49], [50]) that Best Big Bust Release/Series is the only category it qualifies for. These are all of the winners of Best Big Bust Series: Boob Bangers (2007), Big Natural Breasts (2008), Big Wet Tits (2009), Big Tits at School (2010), Big Tits at School (2011), Big Tits in Uniform (2012), Boobaholics Anonymous (2013), & Big & Real (2014). Notice that "Big Tits at School" is the ONLY recipient of this award to have won it twice, which I think proves it's notable in that genre. If you want to suggest a minimum number of awards a porn series must receive in order to pass WP:PORNFILM, I'm willing to compromise, but I don't agree with excluding any Best Film/Movie/Release or Best Series award of any genre from WP:PORNFILM altogether. What if a series were to receive 10 Best Big Bust Release/Series awards? How could we not consider it notable just because it has no other awards outside of that category? Rebecca1990 ( talk) 22:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Because it didn't meet meet the GNG or NFILM, of course. The "well-known/significant" test applies to biographies. The longstanding consensus standard applicable here is "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking". If the award doesn't meet that test, it doesn't matter how many times the series has won the award. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006. ( talk) 02:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - The standard in play here for film awards isn't "well-known/significant"...it's "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking". Are there some adult film-related award categories that rise to this standard? Of course there are, but the ones specifically in play here don't. Nominations for awards don't count for films, nor have I ever heard of them counting for films in the past here at AfD. Guy1890 ( talk) 05:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. The opinion that the subject's appearance in Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge meets the requirement of PORNBIO #2 has not been convincingly argued. J04n( talk page) 19:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No qualifying awards. No real claim of notability. Little or no independent reliable sourcing. Negligible biographical content. Abusively deprodded without explanation or article improvement by the usual suspect. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 21:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Rebecca, please don't distort sources or guidelines. You know perfectly well that "Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge" wasn't the top-selling or top-renting video of its year; AVN reported that "Pirates" took those titles. Topping a weekly or monthly chart )a detail you left out above) doesn't establish "blockbuster" status. And while it may have won a minor AVN award, and been recognized by a film festival, "Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge" lost the top video feature AVN Award to "Corruption"; it lost the FAME Award to "Island Fever 4"; and so on. To show that a film qualifies under PORNBIO#2, you need to provide independent, reliable sourcing to that effect, not your own original research or opinion as to what makes a film a blockbuster, iconic, or groundbreaking. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patricia Rhomberg for the kind of sourcing required, by consensus, to meet the standard. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 03:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - per argument by Rebecca. Subtropical-man talk
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  • Keep - per argument by Rebecca, though I agree with Wolfy that the article could be improved. pumik9 ( talk) 04:53, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - I agree with Rebecca that this article meets minimum criteria. Hobbamock ( talk) 12:26, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. This is a borderline case, which in part depends upon whether Fashionistas Safado is "iconic" or a "blockbuster" or just almost those things - the wording of our guidelines is a bit strange. Yes, it was beaten in sales by Pirates and, it didn't win certain awards, while it did win others. But it is a significant film for several reasons, as the LA Magazine piece indicates. Lauren herself is well-known enough to have been a subject of this satirical piece (which doesn't actually offer any biographical information) and it's not nothing that she was the first female director at Diabolic. As for actual sources, her work in one of Belladonna's early trendsetting lesbian films has been critiqued in this academic book and feminist authors have had less substantive and kind things to say about her here and here - the first is a passing mention, which notes one of those silly legends to the effect that she had performed the longest scene of a certain type, but the fact that she was the subject of such a legend is indicative of her prominence. She is also mentioned in this French book to which I unfortunately lack access. I don't think it can be said that she clearly fails GNG. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 02:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom - The film isn't notable whatsoever, Fails PORNBIO & GNG . – Davey2010 Talk 14:28, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Fashionistas Safado is notable as one of the last highly-successful big-budget films, as Sasha Grey's debut film, and as one of Stagliano's masterpieces. It's made print in four different languages: [51] [52] [53] [54] and is arguably one of the most "iconic" films of the past decade.
It's obvious what's going on here: most journalists have a better-developed sense of shame than I obviously do, so you don't see wide coverage of pornos or adult performers in mainstream media - the LA Magazine piece being an exception. This creates a situation where informed people feel like it's completely bizarre to be told that Melissa Lauren is not notable, and uninformed people assume that someone who has sparse mainstream media coverage must be insignificant. Both sides have a point - we should try to cover significant topics but we also need sources. I maintain this is a borderline case where there are enough sources for an article.
I would like to remind everyone that mainstream sources can be supplemented with the usual WP:BIASED RSes from the trade journals AVN and XBIZ, so sourcing the article isn't a problem, so long as we establish notability. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 16:31, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete for being a BLP that demonstratively fails the GNG and because all the keep votes are a desparate travesty of what PB#3 actually requires. If the film were that iconic there would be proper sourcing to say so. the closing admin should ignore the keep side on the basis that their argument is based on what they want to be the case rather than what the evidence actually shows. That and a banana leaves you with a banana. Spartaz Humbug! 18:36, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • It's PB#2. In addition to my sources above, the film is mentioned here in German: [55] and here in Vietnamese: [56]. A 2010 fashion piece (in English) randomly namedrops it to make a metaphorical point: [57]. How many fetish porn films form the 2000's get this much coverage, including internationally, years after their release? If you want the exact words "iconic" or "blockbuster" I can't find them, but the LA magazine article says "His Fashionistas, shot partly in Las Vegas, is the adult film industry’s equivalent of an Ocean’s Eleven."
You also didn't address the sources that cover Lauren herself. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 23:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Mentions are not the substantial coverage required by the GNG. Being better sourced than 95% of the crud the proporn crowd trying to foist on us doesn't count for shit when the sourcing is still inadequate. Spartaz Humbug! 13:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete - Being referred to in a city newspaper as 'the most anticipated adult film of 2006' in no way establishes that the film was "an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature," which is clearly a very high standard. The low quality citations provided also do not do enough to meet this standard. Since she doesn't meet the GNG or WP:BIO, I don't see how this could meet the notability guidelines. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 20:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete at best, questionably solidly notable. SwisterTwister talk 23:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - One newspaper publicity blurb does not equate to "iconic." Leave that out and this is a simple failure of GNG and even the PORNBIO lowbar (which needs to be deprecated). Carrite ( talk) 16:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
As usual, our pornbio fans have delivered the goods in terms of vacuous biography and unfootnoted potentially libelous assertions about living people: "She would continue to perform with women, in solo scenes, and in photo shoots." Not the worst example, but typical of the D-minus caliber work of this genre of Wikipedia bio. Carrite ( talk) 16:45, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)UY Scuti Talk 16:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Created solely to promote animal rights and veganism and to win an argument on the veganism article Martin Hogbin ( talk) 18:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • It is not "mainly" and certainly not "exclusively" used by vegans. That's the nominator's completely unfounded claim, and is refuted by the article's existing references. This is a frivolous nomination made to prove a point, as the section below illustrates. There is no policy-based deletion rationale here. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 15:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Jonpatterns, please do have a look at the references; the vast majority are clearly animal rights sympathisers. There is no evidence that this terminology is used more generally. Martin Hogbin ( talk) 19:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Yes, start with The United Nations Commodity Trade Statistics Database. And then let's please have an inquisition into which academics sympathize with the vegans. @ Martin Hogbin: You have still not advanced a reason for deletion, or given any indication that this AfD is not just another attempt to forum-shop all these discussions because you didn't like what people were saying about you at AN/I. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 19:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep While this might be a stub at the moment, the OIE - World Organisation for Animal Health (recognised as a reference organisation by the World Trade Organization (WTO)) certainly views animals as "commodities" - see the first sentence here. [58] This refutes any arguments it is related only to veganism or other lifestyle choice, and that the article should be kept and expanded upon.DrChrissy (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
@ DrChrissy: The only time the reference mentions 'status' is in relation to diseases. Jonpatterns ( talk) 14:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The first sentence is "The OIE is undertaking work to facilitate trade in animal products (commodities) under the auspices of its Specialist Commissions (Scientific Commission, Terrestrial Code Commission, Laboratories Commission and Aquatic Animals Commission)." My interpretation of this sentence is that animals and their products are viewed as having commodity status. I agree this is not overtly stated in this sentence, but I feel this is a fair interpretation.DrChrissy (talk) 14:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
( edit conflict)I don't think the debate is really over status. It started long, long ago in a faraway place as an objection to calling animals commodities on the grounds that according to Martin they are treated better than inanimate objects. Nevertheless here is an explicitly anti-animal-rights scholarly opinion on the property status of animals, identified by this article as a (near-)synonym: [59]. For the exact phrase "commodity status", see many of the references in the article and also S. Hillyard, The Sociology of Rural Life. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 14:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The article was created purely in response to my observation on the veganism article that the phrase 'commodity status of animals' was vegan or animal rights rhetoric.

The article title itself is not neutral and assumes a particular point of view that has been supported by selected sources. We already have the article Animal rights which discusses the same subject material in a more neutral way. This article is pure promotion of a specific view on animal rights. Martin Hogbin ( talk) 12:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Perhaps that is so, but it also seems to be an established legal concept that meets GNG. Carrite ( talk) 16:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:22, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Article, completely unsourced for 4.5 years, about an eggplant and rice dish attached to Mediterranean culture — but the Mediterranean is an incredibly large region populated by many diverse cultures with very different cuisines (Spain? Italy? Lebanon? Greece? Turkey? Algeria? Malta?). So one would have to be a lot more specific than that, because there's just no way that the entire region has the same dish or calls it by the same name. An anonymous IP has raised concerns on the talk page that it may be a hoax, another IP has made edits to the article in the past with claims of inaccuracy in their edit summary (there were formerly some eyebrow-raising claims in here about how it had to be eaten with fancy gold or silver cutlery for some unspecified reason, and how it was served only to royalty and not the hoi polloi), and indeed on a Google search I can't actually find any reliably sourced content about it — rather, it seems to be attested only in the kind of second or third rate sources that could potentially have mirrored their information about it from us rather than vice versa. So it's not clearcut enough to qualify for G3 as a hoax, but there's enough question about it that it needs wider attention. I grant that this might also be a regional name variant for a dish more widely known by another name — Tepsi Baytinijan, maybe? — but if that's the case, then it should be a redirect to another article rather than a standalone topic. And if it can't be properly verified as a real thing, then it should be deleted. Bearcat ( talk) 18:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:18, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable future film, no evidence main production has begun and no secondary coverage, does not meet WP:NFF BOVINEBOY 2008 18:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Does not meet corporate notability threshold. No reliable sources appear during a search of Google web/News/Newspaper Archive/Books/Highbeam/JSTOR/Bing web. /wiae /tlk 16:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Likewise, no reliable web hits turn up for "Kiziloz Shipping", "Kiziloz Panama", "Kiziloz Scotland" or "Kiziloz Turkey", aside from routine directory hits and sources affiliated with the company itself. /wiae /tlk 16:17, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:37, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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  • WP:N Lacks notability. Passing mentions in most sources.
  • WP:RS Lacks reliable sources. Self sourcing from his own projects.
  • WP:COI Highly probably that the author of the article is the subject of the article.
  • WP:RESUME Article, aside from above issues, reads like a resume/promo piece.

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  • Delete as it stands - deleted at PROD twice for much the same reasons. The sources are largely primary and passing mentions, and the article cobbled together from them is a bad article that could do with applied WP:TNT. If there's a better article with better sources I might think otherwise, but this article and its sourcing completely fails to be up to the standards required by WP:BLP and needs to be removed - David Gerard ( talk) 20:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment It should be noted this user has recently removed a substantial part of the article for reasons given later on in the discussion. Anyone wishing to view the article as it stood at the time the AfD was issued should see here. Arfisk ( talk) 00:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - To address the issues raised:legal
    • WP:COI - I have been maintaining this page in recent times. While I have been in correspondence with the subject about this page's earlier deletion, I am quite independent of the subject. I am not even in the same country.
    • WP:N - Acting in accordance with what I believe to be WP:BLP policy, I have added references from notable sources: people Bruce Sterling, Alex Steffen, and Michio Kaku, and from Foreign Policy Magazine. Being listed in the top 100 list of Global Thinkers is no mean feat.
    • WP:RS - Again, acting in accordance with WP:BLP I have been citing independent references. I think this assertion is plain wrong, but am happy to hear what I'm doing wrong.
    • WP:RESUME - This is a matter of style, which I am in the process of correcting. If constructive criticisms can be made, they would be welcome. - Arfisk ( talk) 22:57, 16 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Keep Seems to pass WP:GNG; the first three references alone seem to demonstrate coverage ABOUT the person from independent sources. The article is a little promotional ("and then I wrote" type stuff) but that can be trimmed. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:03, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: It is much more than "a little promotional". If kept, can we please loose the I'm-the-greatest quotes in the lead, move them to the bottom, and rewrite the rest. w.carter -Talk 19:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: I agree the 'promotional' nature of the article needs to be toned down. That was an overcompensation for earlier accusations of WP:N. A bio template needs to be applied. I had hoped to have this sort of discussion in the talk section. Oh well... Arfisk ( talk) 22:08, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Actually, I was canvassing for any comments, good or bad. Thanks for taking the time to respond (really!). WP:ADMASK? What 'solicitation' is being sought? Otherwise, see above comment. Arfisk ( talk) 23:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Inadequate evidence of notability. He's written things, he's been quoted as saying things, his various employers' sites tell us about him. But I see no independent discussion of him. Maproom ( talk) 19:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: There is Michio Kaku's recollection of a conversation with him, and the 2009 listing from Foreign Policy. Both are discussions from independent sources. Arfisk ( talk) 22:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - Too many of the references are to the subject's own publications. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment: There are 26 references currently, of which 7 could be deemed to be associated with the subject. 4 of those are simply to establish places of work, and the remainder have different authors. To which were you referring? Arfisk ( talk) 01:14, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Comment: You need to review WP:RS and WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Trivial mention applies to most of the references and the rest fall under WP:RS. Blogs and websites and similar are not reliable sources. Any sources that remain after eliminating the WP:RS failures are trivial mentions. There is simply not anything quantifiable for references to justify an article for this subject 79.157.250.230 ( talk) 13:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
        • I have just culled the worst of the blatant self-sourcing and trivial mentions. What remains is as sparse as Cascio's notability - David Gerard ( talk) 21:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy in the making. While it's permissible to edit an article subject to a deletion notice, I have to wonder why you deemed it necessary at this stage. Why not wait until the final decision has been made? I also call the Adjudicator's attention to the tone of your comment. Arfisk ( talk) 22:18, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
            • Because the terrible sources were making it look like this article was well sourced, when in fact they were terrible sources that were at no time suitable for a BLP. (I remember deleting these terrible sources from other incarnations of your publicity piece.) - David Gerard ( talk) 23:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
            • Terrible? *My* publicity piece (I am not Cascio)? Well, you clearly have opinions and I can't argue with them. I'll leave your deletions as they stand, for now (although I've referred folk to the original version at the start of this discussion.). Frankly, I don't think your action helps the case for Deletion at all. In legal terms it is called 'tampering with the evidence'. It is frowned upon. Arfisk ( talk) 01:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
              • If you're going to appeal to legal thinking, I strongly suggest you read the introductory paragraphs of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons - "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." I suggest that prompt removal of such terribly-sourced content from an article about a living person is in close accordance with actual Wikipedia policies, and leaving it there would be a gross violation - David Gerard ( talk) 21:12, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
        • Comment: I disagree. All online references are, by definition, to other websites. If you followed the WP:RS criteria with such rigor you'd likely end up deleting all wikipedia pages! That said, I have (or thought I had) been rigorous in providing reliable and independent references, and several of the references made have OLPC/ISBN numbers associated with them. Arfisk ( talk) 22:18, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Please reread WP:RS. You won't see having an ISBN listed as constituting a source, e.g. to a self-published book on Lulu - David Gerard ( talk) 23:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • I'm certainly not relying on a 'self published book on Lulu' as a basis of notability! References are also used to establish the body of work. Cascio combined some of his essays into a book on Geoengineering. I use the ISBN reference to establish a fact: yes, he wrote that book. That is all that particular reference was intended to convey. More substantively, the Cheeseburger footprint references that you dismissed as 'from a blog post'? One of them was to a segment in the National Geographic program called 'Six Degrees Could Change the World'. Is that self-promoting? Arfisk ( talk) 01:55, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • I concur with the decision to remove the WP:RS failures. It provides a much clearer picture when solely the viable sources are listed and all of the fluff (WP:RS failures) sources are eliminated. PeterWesco ( talk) 15:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Hmm. Well I've provided a reference to the original form for folk to compare, so they can determine the good and the bad for themselves. Meanwhile, when I get a few moments, I'll reinstate the Superstruct section with an additional reference from McGonigal's book 'Reality is Broken', and see what happens. Arfisk ( talk) 22:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Reinstated both Superstruct and Cheeseburger sections, with what I think are suitable RS sources (ie published, and reliable. The deleted video reference already met this btw, but I suspect it was missed). Arfisk ( talk) 13:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Reinstated the paragraph about Hacking the Earth. I have retained the ref to that work simply to establish existence. The discussion about it now has a suitable RS. Arfisk ( talk) 02:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
          • Reinstated the Transhuman Space section, without the Steffen commentary: it *is* a stretch to call a then co-editor's review 'independent'. However, the section was deleted on grounds of 'non-notability of game', even though TS does have its own page, and apparently won an award or two. Arfisk ( talk) 05:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Insufficient coverage in WP:RS. Fails WP:GNG. Edwardx ( talk) 23:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete', as not meeting WP:GNG. A few minor mentions here and there, and some interesting looking work from time to time doesn't add up to notability. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 04:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC). reply
  • keep He is taken seriously by serious media [60], [61], [62]. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - First, I understand the impetus to remove sources one feels are clouding the issue, however, in this instance, at least two solid references were removed (Wired and Physics of the Future), especially after another editor ( MelanieN) has referred to them as their basis for a "keep" !vote. In addition, as one of the editors who worked on the article pointed out, the other citations were there to verify facts, not to show notability, and as such, trivial mentions are fine. There are so many mentions of him in reliable sources (hundreds, after you get through all the false positives, particularly the Lifeboat blog), that it makes sorting through them tedious, but the two now deleted references alone meet WP:GNG. But more importantly, he clearly passes WP:BASIC, which states, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". While many of the sources are only brief mentions, they are not simply mentioning him, but mentioning him as "an expert... futurist" (USA TODAY-Oct 29, 2014), "a research fellow at the Institute for the Future in Palo Alto, Calif., and a senior fellow at the Institute for Ethics and Emerging ..." (New York Times -May 4, 2011), " ...quoted one of our expert participants, Jamais Cascio from the Institute for the Future" (GreenBiz), "a distinguished fellow at the Institute for the Future" (HuffPo 05/04/2015), etc. Onel5969 TT me 13:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
The sources I cited as being the basis for fulfilling GNG are actually still there in the article; they were just moved from the lead to the "career" section. However, I agree with your general feeling that it is inappropriate to remove sources during the middle of an AfD discussion. The whole point of an AfD discussion is to evaluate the article and particularly its sourcing. To gut the article like this ( User:David Gerard literally removed half the article) is unfair to the discussants, by removing information they might consider relevant. In effect, this kind of thing is an attempt to impose one person's opinion of the sources on everybody else. I am glad to see that some of the deleted material was restored. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:59, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Deleting a fog of bad sources is always appropriate, particularly in a BLP - this isn't just any article. As BLP expressly notes, "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." Note also, from the policy: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." (Bolding in original.) As it is, the restored material actually has proper sourcing now - David Gerard ( talk) 21:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
None of this material was "contentious"; you just didn't like it. I continue to think that gutting an article while it is is at AfD is inappropriate. It weakens and distorts the AfD discussion, by depriving the discussants of material that they should have been allowed to evaluate for themselves. -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I was initially hesitant to make changes for this very reason. However, I accept that David is acting in accordance with BLP policies. With their emphasis on immediate removal of contentious material (even from the 'Talk' section), the BLP policies do not encourage balanced discussion. However, they are what they are, and this isn't the place to grumble about their failings. With the benefit of hindsight, I should have reinstated the Article via AfC. Still, this is where we are, and we may as well let the process run to its conclusion. Arfisk ( talk) 00:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • I am not the Subject. 'Curator' might be a more appropriate term to use. As for relisting; should the final decision be to delete, then I will seek its reinstatement through the formal process, as perhaps should have happened previously (Rookie error) Arfisk ( talk) 22:39, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Keep (see added comments at the bottom of this thread) "Foreign Policy" is not a neutral source; the subject writes for this publication. I can only see "snippit" view, but it appears that the mention in the Steffen book is on the acknowledgements page, rather than an article about Cascio. The ABC source doesn't mention him. McGonnigle lists him as one of her closest collaborators, so that's not independent. Most of the online mentions of his self-published ebook appear to be in his own profiles, but it does have one review from Bob Olson (which he mentions endlessly) and I did find and add a short review by a journalist/policy analyst. Here's the Worldcat report.— Anne Delong ( talk) 14:10, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks for taking the time to look into all this. Brief responses:
  • Foreign Policy is a respected news source. I can't imagine why they'd blot their reputation by touting their own contributors in a Global Top 100 listing unjustifiably, but I'd have to check that in more detail. For now, I'll rely on 'reasonableness'.
Update: Cascio has a grand total of 2 articles published with FP (Jan 28 2008, Sep 28, 2009). I don't think that's enough to challenge independence of this source. Arfisk ( talk) 00:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Not sure about your point on the Worldchanging book. He was a contributing author in both editions, but had no part in their production (he'd left WC at that point)
  • Good catch on the ABC Bluebird site. Cascio appears on the credits page. I've added a direct reference to it.
  • Unlike FP, McGonigal ref is to establish a fact, not WP:N. Independence is not as important.
  • Self promotion in 'the wild' is no crime. It is to be expected (and avoided in WP articles). I'm already using the Olson review as an RS.
  • I note you've removed the reference to being on the Ensia Board. I'm not sure why, and may put it back. It's simply to establish a fact. (Incidentally, if you do something like that in future, you should remove the assertion it is corroborating as well.)
Arfisk ( talk) 22:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Arfisk, at an AfD the main issue is usually notability. Some sources may be okay to have in the article to provide facts, but may not add much to notability if they are written by the subject's friends and colleagues. This is my point about the Worldchanging book. Entries on the acknowledgment page are usually the author's personal gratitude, not neutral information and don't demonstrate notability. The same point about the McGonigal reference - I wasn't suggesting it be removed, but if it's not independent, it won't help establish notability at an AFD. I pointed out the many identical mentions by Cascio of his book and its review as a heads up to others because when I did a Google search these postings significantly increased the number of hits without demonstrating any notability or information. (and actually after checking notability for thousands of articles I have not seen this particular type of promotion before).
I removed the reference to the list of board members for a reason unrelated to the AfD - There are many, many facts about a person which could be included in an encyclopedia article; those chosen should not be what the subject and his/her friends want the reader to know, but instead what independent journalists and authors thought important enough to write about. I considered removing the item of information, but it didn't seem controversial, and it's possible that an independent source for that information may be found later. Policies say that unsourced information may be removed.— Anne Delong ( talk) 03:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I found quite a few discussions of Cascio's work in various books and I added a some to the article. I hope they are all independent, but feel free to remove any that aren't I believe that the article should be kept, but scrubbed of the cherry-picked quotes and cross-promotional citations to the work of his friends and colleagues.— Anne Delong ( talk) 05:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Thanks for the help, Anne Delong. The only thing wrong I find about these is that you've used the Naughton reference twice. Is that intentional? (I can't see p.21- online, so I can't check relevance. You may need two refs, with inline citation. Guess that goes for McGonigal ref as well) About Ensia: I can't predict what a journalist would consider relevant or important. Why remove this position ref, and not others? Arfisk ( talk) 08:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
No, Arfisk, likely two citations in the same sentence to a reference aren't needed. As the article develops, and notability becomes clear, these reference numbers would all be moved to the end of the sentence and the duplication removed. YES, exactly right, you can't predict what a journalist would consider relevant, and you don't need to; that's why we have independent citations. Also, and this is important, I and others who work on the article are not doing this to help you or Mr. Cascio; we are building a publication, in which each article has multiple editors and no " curator" is allowed to manage or oversee it. Since citations to closely connected references don't affect the AfD notability issue, let's leave that discussion for the talk page later if the article is kept.— Anne Delong ( talk) 13:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:00, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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This topic is highly controversal and the article itself states that actions are not documented and are mostly forgotten. Until credible sources are presented, this fails inclusion in my POV. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 14:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Comment There is not much information to merge. The info about Great Rebellion of 1817–18 is already there and the rest is just opinion of an editor. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 20:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete. Article seems intended to be critical of Great Britain and note the 'irony' of the British government in criticizing Sri Lanka on human rights- and it seems duplicative of existing articles(but there doesn't seem to be anything to merge here). 331dot ( talk) 00:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. I agree with the nominator. There is no relevant information in the article that isn't already contained in other more specific articles. Dan arndt ( talk) 07:36, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete "forgotten" crimes can be real, and are eligible for recovery by historians, however, war crimes allegations need substantive sourcing, which this fairly transparent attack page ( WP:PLAGUE) presumably written in response to articles including Alleged war crimes during the final stages of the Sri Lankan Civil War lacks. Material about historic war crimes should be added to articles about specific historic events. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:11, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom ,and E.M.Gregory.There are specific events including Great Rebellion of 1817–18 and Matale Rebellion during the British rule in Ceylon which have there own articles .Now British Ceylon refers to a period of over 150 years till 1948 now it clearly lacks substantive sourcing if one wishes to cover the entire period. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 09:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: the references used do not demonstrate notability of the topic as a stand alone topic, IMO, nor do they seem to be high quality. Serious claims of war crimes by any nation should have very sound sourcing. Additionally, it is currently written in a manner that seems non neutral. Information, if it can be reliably sourced, should probably just be added to the articles focused on the relevant battles/events etc, so long as WP:UNDUE is not breached. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 04:52, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete: per AustralianRupert and others. As far as I can tell the article seems to have been created to make a point of something seen as being ironic. Whilst there would most certainly be events in the history of British Ceylon which would fall within the purported scope of this article that are worthy of coverage, but they should (if they are not already) be dealt with in the appropriate parent articles using reliable sources, not in a POINTY stand alone article. Anotherclown ( talk) 08:48, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  16:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Seems to be only notable for being the subject of a HBR article, otherwise nothing notable here. Is HBR enough on its own to pass GNG? Gbawden ( talk) 12:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Also headed data science for LinkedIn and now intuit. Notable enough for intuit to acquire his company just to hire him. See other sources 106.215.171.147 ( talk) 13:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)iwannacrib reply

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The result was delete. If anyone wishes to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Not yet notable per WP:NFOOTBALL: has not yet played in a professional match. Prod contested by article creator. No prejudice against WP:Userfication for now, since he's likely to play in a professional match this year. NeemNarduni2 ( talk) 11:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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not notable herself. Any notability is that of her company. DGG ( talk ) 07:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to A Chorus Line. Regarding the possible future potential of this as a stand-alone article, my suggestion would be to write that article in draft space, then start a discussion at Talk:A Chorus Line (and ping the AfD participants) to see if people are on board. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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This is a 4 sentence stub with 3 sub-headings. There seems to be very little coverage of the actual song out there and it is unclear how this stub could be expanded. Some of the other songs for the musical are just redirects to a list of songs in the parent article, while others are similarly short stubs with a fancy article structure that makes them look big with no meaningful content. I'd like to see the title deleted and any info not already in the parent merged there. Per WP:MUSICOUTCOMES "Articles about songs are generally considered not notable, and deleted or redirected." Legacypac ( talk) 06:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Info about how the song affected one actress's career seems more appropriately covered in her article. The song can be notable and still better presented in the larger context of the musicial's article. I was not aware of the song or musical until I started looking into redirects targeted at the song. The song article was nearly meaningless to explain significance - I needed to review the musical article to make sense of why anyone cared about this. Hence my proposal to put the song info into the musical article as it provides context. I'm not challenging GRG on the song, only how best to present to help the readers. Legacypac ( talk) 01:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Understood. Disagree, but understood. Nothing wrong with challenging GRG. They need it. You mean GNG. :) David in DC ( talk) 15:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I have to agree with Legacypac here. That's very good information to add somewhere, but its really makes more sense to be presented in the context of the actor/actress/musical's article, as its more about how the song affected those things. I also don't feel that these sources qualify as significant coverage. For example, the first direct quote in the reception section is literally the only words about the song at all from the source, cherrypicked out of a review of the production in general. Some of the other sources I spot-checked didn't do much better. Sergecross73 msg me 18:19, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • You created this article over a year and a half ago, and the only expansion at all has been due to this AFD, where its still well below getting out of the stub threshold. When are we to realistically expect these improvements to happen? "Potential" is a good argument against deletion in a newer article, not as much in redirect/merge decisions of older articles. Sergecross73 msg me 13:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:50, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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I am also nominating the following related pages because [they are of the same sort and have the same issues]:
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As Dirtawyer1 put it during the similarly executed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arizona Wildcats football series records "Non-notable list subjects that fail WP:GNG and WP:LIST, for lack of significant coverage of the the list subjects as a group in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Moreover, these lists of statistics also violate the spirit, if not the letter of WP:NOTSTATS, to wit:

"Wikipedia articles should not be . . . [e]xcessive listings of statistics. Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability and neatness of our articles. In addition, articles should contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader. In cases where this may be necessary, (e.g. Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2012), consider using tables to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists. Where it is not necessary, as in the main article United States presidential election, 2012, omit excess statistics altogether and summarize any necessary data concisely." Another Previous AfD discussion along these lines also took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Longhorns football series records which was also closed as delete. UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 06:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. There is a consensus that we should not have these "series results" lists. I favor our exercise of editorial judgment to avoid such articles because (i) of concerns about maintenance as the data is massive and changes with great frequency, and (ii) the same data is published off Wikipedia by organizations better equipped to perform regular data updates. I do not, however, agree that WP:NOTSTATS is a proper rationale for deleting. The purpose of NOTSTATS is to require context for stats and to avoid pure data dumps. The introductory sentence of NOTSTATS emphasizes precisely this: "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." That issue could be fixed by adding contextual narrative text. Using NOTSTATS as a rationale is short-sighted and unnecessarily renders other highly notable statistical lists subject to challenge. Cbl62 ( talk) 06:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Note: The same concerns apply with equal force to Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records. Cbl62 ( talk) 06:58, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
    • This is not true. Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records passes notability requirements in accordance with WP:LIST since it is discussed in books about the team (see the references). Editorial judgment under WP:PAGEDECIDE does not trump general notability. Information contained in that page (specifically the context information and its accompanying references not) are not available on the statistics webpages you are referring to. Those pages tend to lack any such context. Finally, concern about maintaining the information for that page is also idle since it is no more problematic than updating a season record for that team. It is true that maintaining such pages for every college football team would be massive undertaking, but there is no need to since series records are not notable for all teams (e.g., UMASS and the Charlotte Bobcats both had series pages and were of dubious notability). Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 11:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
There are four elements to the Iowa page: (1) all-time record (duplicated from the main Iowa Hawkeyes football article); (2) all-time record against Big Ten opponents (duplicated from the main Iowa Hawkeyes football article); (3) record by opponent (the point under discussion, as to which there is a consensus to delete); and (4) record against conferences (a new twist that, if worthwhile [I have no strong view], could be added to the main Iowa Hawkeyes football article). Cbl62 ( talk) 21:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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  • Delete these pages are examples of excessive listing of statistics. I suppose it is a curiosity to know that the Alabama Crimson Tide football program is a solid 1-0 against the 2nd Ambulance Company of Ohio... but these pages appear to be just a copy of other pages that already exist on the internet.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 12:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nomination here, and the conclusions at the other example AFDs. Excessive stats listing, not fitting for an encyclopedia. Sergecross73 msg me 13:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Do not delete I have disagreed with this sort of editorial judgment in the past (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Longhorns football series records ) and I disagree with it here. The page needs more context and more citation to clearly demonstrate notability in accordance with WP:LIST, but lack of citation does not mean it fails notability. Furthermore, the concern about maintaining the information is idle since the page is clearly well-maintained. While it would be a massive task to maintain such information for all college football teams maintaining it for just teams that are notable is not. Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 11:22, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Well then, can you provide more context, content, and sourcing that isn't redundant to the content at the team's parent article? These articles keep getting deleted partially because people cannot sufficiently do so. Sergecross73 msg me 03:22, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Adding context to a page in the middle of a deletion debate has not really accomplished much in the past (Note: I spent several hours trying adding context and references to the Texas page to no avail). Lack of context/sourcing, however, does not imply that such context/sourcing cannot be provided (see WP:GNG and WP:NPOSSIBLE ). I can't really speak to the Iowa page in particular (maybe ‎RhinoSpear79 can?), but there exists books on the history of Alabama, Michigan, and Notre Dame football that discuss all time records. When teams rank high on the all time records list, college football writers and historians talk about it. I agree that such lists should not exist for all teams since series records for many teams are not notable. It would be an over-generalization, however, to suppose that all such lists are not notable. In a similar way, most punters not notable, that doesn't mean all pages on punters should be deleted. Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 08:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • At the end of the day, these lists fails on three counts:
1. The specific subject of these lists, e.g., the series win-loss records of the Iowa Hawkeyes football team, is not notable because it has not received significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources as required by WP:GNG and WP:LISTN. The well-established notability of the parent football teams, e.g., Iowa Hawkeyes football, is irrelevant. And there has been ZERO evidence provided of significant coverage of these specific list topics. If there is no significant coverage of the specific topic in independent sources, then it's game over for this topic as a stand-alone article.
2. Wikipedia is not a sports almanac, it is not a directory, and it is not a random list of statistics that editors find interesting. Wikipedia is supposed to be a general interest encyclopedia that provides summary coverage of notable subjects, including notable sports subjects. Some folks don't get this, and it is especially problematic for our various sports WikiProjects, many of which have active and even articulate members who don't grasp the difference between an encyclopedia that provides summary coverage of the most important elements of a notable sports topic, and a sports fansite on which fans can post any and all trivial information about a given sports subject. Notwithstanding various attempts to interpret WP:NOTSTATS out of meaningful existence, these are exactly the type of 99.9% trivial stats lists that are supposed to be excluded from Wikipedia. The idea that we may include whatever stats lists we want as stand-alone articles, regardless of notability, and regardless of their length or trivial nature, is wrong-headed and self-serving. Down that path lies the inclusion of the precinct election results for all 30,000 precincts in the United States for every national election if only we provide enough "context"; or lists of batting averages for every Major League Baseball player in history -- if only we provide enough "context". At some point the absurdity of it becomes apparent to most AfD participants even if they cannot articulate their reasoning.
3. As pointed out above, the most relevant elements of these lists -- win-loss records vs. rivals and conference opponents -- are usually already covered in the parent team articles. And that's as it should be in a general interest encyclopedia. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 09:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
We agree on at least one count -- that "series record" lists probably do not satisfy WP:NLIST and therefore ought to be deleted. (Based on Shatterdaymorn's concerns, I'll reserve judgment on the Notre Dame list.) That said, your other comments raise broader concerns. A few points:
1. Randomness. You characterize the list at issue as a "random list of statistics". I disagree that "randomness" is the problem. The word "random" means: (a) "proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern" or (b) "of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen." See here. The list presently under review is entirely coherent, has a definite focus and pattern, and is the very antithesis of a "random list of statistics." Accordingly, "randomness" is not a separate basis (or, indeed, any basis) for deletion here.
2. General interest. You assert that Wikipedia is "a general interest encyclopedia". As explicitly noted in WP:FIVEPILLARS (Wikipedia's core principles), Wikipedia is not solely a "general interest encyclopedia". To the contrary, it "combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers." We do not limit our coverage of physics or medicine to items of "general" as opposed to "specialized" interest; nor should we apply such limits to our coverage of sports. The limits of WP:GNG and sound editorial judgment are sufficient to ensure that things don't go too far afield. We do not need a new, arbitrary, and hopelessly subjective "general interest" limitation on what topics can or can't be included in Wikipedia.
3. Summary coverage vs. comprehensive coverage. You say that Wikipedia is limited to "summary coverage". If you are simply echoing the principle set forth in WP:NOTEVERYTHING, that's fine. We don't need truly trivial information, even in an article about an important subject. However, as set forth at WP:FACR, our best articles endeavor to provide "comprehensive" coverage that "neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context." The phrase "comprehensive summary coverage" is the goal set forth in WP:ARTDEV. Of course, there is tension between "summary" coverage and "comprehensive" coverage on topics of note. We want "major details," but not "trivial details." This is a matter of editorial judgment in which some matters are clear but many others fall into a gray area where reasonable minds can and do differ. Everything is not black and white.
4. NOTSTATS. I assume you are referring to me as the one "attempt[ing] to interpret WP:NOTSTATS out of meaningful existence." That is simply not so. It is the deletionists who sometimes try to morph NOTSTATS into something that it is not, i.e., a prohibition on statistical listings. On its face, the legitimate and meaningful function of NOTSTATS is clear: "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." In no way, shape or form is this an assertion that lists of data/statistics don't belong on Wikipedia. Indeed, NOTSTATS expressly describes the remedies for excessive listings of statistics, including adding "sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context" and "using tables to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists." Moreover, and as noted above, our core policy at WP:FIVEPILLARS expressly states that Wikipedia properly includes "many features of ... specialized almanacs". Bear in mind, however, neither I nor anyone is arguing that non-notable statistical lists have any place on Wikipedia. Therein lies the key distinction. IMO, the proper analysis is under WP:GNG and WP:NLIST with the added option in rare instances of exercising editorial judgment under WP:PAGEDECIDE against a stand-alone list/article. Bottom line: If statistics are not sufficiently notable, they ought not be the subject of a stand-alone list. If statistics are sufficiently notable, NOTSTATS is not a bar, it simply requires appropriate contextualization. If the deletionist approach to NOTSTATS were to be embraced, important and notable statistical lists would be equally in jeopardy, e.g., List of NCAA football records, List of NHL statistical leaders, List of National Football League rushing yards leaders, List of Major League Baseball career runs batted in leaders, List of National Basketball Association career scoring leaders, Lists of tennis records and statistics, etc.
5. Tone. As you sometimes do, you resort to ad hominem attacks. Those who disagree with you "can't grasp" what an encyclopedia is. They just "don't get it." They are "wrongheaded" and "self-serving". Their statements are an "absurdity". I don't know if you're a transactional lawyer (one who spends most of his/her time in the office drafting documents) or a litigator who regularly argues cases in court. If you are the latter, you would presumably know that such attacks do little to advance your case; they are more likely to alienate judges and jurors who tend to assume that those resorting to such arguments are either bullies or have no substantive case and must resort to other tactics. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:21, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
These are good well-reasoned points and agree with your assessment. I think ultimately you are correct and the case rests on WP:NLIST and notability. Such an argument, however, does not give general grounds for deleting all such series history pages which is how some people seem to be using it. It only gives grounds to delete such pages on a case by case basis. If notability can be established, then the page should be kept. I think notability can be established for some of them (i.e., Alabama, Michigan, and Notre Dame), but that is because I have seen the books discussing it. Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 08:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Cbl62, as you have sometimes done, you have chosen to personalize an argument. You're obviously a litigator, but you have a rather unfortunate habit of making on-wiki arguments about you when they are not. If you perceive yourself as the target of the very accurate and fair criticism above, sorry, but that's on you. The only criticism that I actually intended for you is your misinterpretation of WP:NOTSTATS, which has needed to be corrected since you first announced it last summer. In several AfD discussions since then, you have emphasized the first introductory sentence of WP:NOTSTATS to the virtual exclusion of the rest of the introduction and the four subsections applicable to fictional works, song lyrics, statistics, and software updates. Yes, statistical lists require context, but lists of stats may still be excluded when they are "excessive" even if they have explanatory text, and this is made perfectly clear by the examples provided by NOTSTATS. For an extreme example, yes, U.S. presidential election results are notable, but, no, there is no amount of "context" you could provide that would justify listing the presidential election results for all 30,000 polling precincts on Wikipedia, because that list of statistics would be excessive by any reasonable measure. Bottom line: the two clauses are intended to operate independently of each other: (1) excessive stats lists may be excluded, and (2) those lists of stats which are not "excessive" still must be placed in context with sufficient explanatory text. Likewise, the third subsection applicable to excessive stats lists operates in a very similar fashion to the other three subsections of WP:NOTSTATS: (1) exclusion of detailed recitations of every minor plot point of fictional works; (2) exclusion of complete song lyrics; and (3) exclusion of complete software updates. Just as there is no amount of "context" that may justify the inclusion of "excessive" stats lists, there is also no amount of context that justifies the inclusion of complete recitations of every detail of your favorite novel, complete song lyrics, or complete lists of software updates. It's not an accident these four subtopics are grouped together under the section heading "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information."
Regarding my statement that Wikipedia is a "general interest encyclopedia," quoting WP:FIVEPILLARS does nothing to refute the fundamental validity of that statement. Just because Wikipedia "combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers" does not make it a "sports almanac" wherein it is appropriate to include excessively long lists of sports statistics, as if it were The Big Book of College Football or the like. Including features of an almanac does not mean that Wikipedia is an almanac, nor does including some features of an almanac justify the inclusion of every long list of sports stats that any editor may imagine, compile, or find elsewhere and copy to Wikipedia. WP:NOTSTATS is clearly intended as a limitation on exactly that sort of excessive stats lists. If that leaves certain sacred cows among existing sports stats lists vulnerable, then perhaps we should (a) critically review the notability of such list topics per GNG and LISTN, and (b) contemplate the re-structuring of those lists so that they are both notable and not "excessive". For present purposes, it is enough to say that the complete listing of the Iowa Hawkeyes' 182 series win-loss records (not 124 as indicated) and mostly trivial related data points is clearly excessive and unnecessary. Perhaps we need to amend WP:What Wikipedia is not to include the statement that "Wikipedia is not the Iowa Hawkeyes Football Media Guide.
As for the other mostly tangential points you raised, I stand by every word I wrote above, and nothing I wrote is inconsistent with the guidelines cited by you. I should thank you, however, for sharing your stereotypes of litigators and transactional attorneys; I somehow missed those differences during my four years of law school and nearly 20 years of practice. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 21:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
I did not personalize anything. I wasn't sure who the ad hominem attacks were directed at. My point is a more general one, i.e., that it is best to keep discussion to the topic rather than the person. The point was meant as constructive advice, and you are, of course, free to take or leave it. Cbl62 ( talk) 22:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC) reply
BTW, I do believe that it is still a fundamental rule of statutory construction to interpret a rule, regulation, ordinance, statute or law as a whole, and not piecemeal, so as to give effect to each element to the fullest extent possible. Your interpretation of WP:NOTSTATS, which you evidently believe to be the only reasonable interpretation, makes the words "excessive" and "excess" meaningless, because no list of stats, regardless of its length, could ever be excessive if it were only a matter of providing written explanation sufficient to provide context. Perhaps you may want to keep that in mind while you're working to convince the judges and jurors of the correctness of your new and novel interpretation of WP:NOTSTATS. Which, of course, is constructive advice you are free to take or leave. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 00:45, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Just back from happy hour and feeling good (kick ass margaritas and guac at Carmelita's in Laguna Beach!) You are a smart guy, Dirtaywyer. My advice to you is sincere, really and truly. If you could just cut out the ad hominem attacks, the heavy-handed snarkiness, the f--- bombs, and the smarter-than-everyone-else attitude, you could be a great Wikipedian. There are lots of smart people here. Everyday, smart guys need to tell themselves, "I am pretty g-- d--- smart, but there are lots of other smart and dedicated people here, and some who are ... maybe, possibly ... actually smarter than me. I need to listen more and not always assume that I know what is best." ,,. Cue to either sneer or take to heart. Up to you. Cbl62 ( talk) 02:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • For what is is worth re: WP:GNG and WP:LISTN. The following is a sample of books that discuss series results for college football teams: Alabama ("University of Alabama Crimson Tide Football: History, Traditions and Notable" by Reese, "Always Alabama: A History of Crimson Tide Football" by Wade, "The Crimson Tide: The Official Illustrated History of Alabama Football" by Groom and Castille)), Michigan ("Michigan Football: The History of the Nation's Winningest Program" by Rosenberg, Dailey, et al., "100 Things Michigan Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die" by Chengelis), and Notre Dame ("The Notre Dame Football Encyclopedia: The Ultimate Guide to America's Favorite College Team" by Marder, Spellman, and Donovan, "The Notre Dame Football Encyclopedia: 4th Edition." by Steele, "The Notre Dame Fighting Irish" by Stewart, "Echoes of Notre Dame Football" by Garner). These works mainstream works that satisfy the Significant coverage, Reliability, Sources, and Independent of the subject requirements. These works only represents a selection of the literature. There is more out there. I presume such books probably exist for Iowa though I don't own them. So, given notability, there is a presumption in favor of keeping them. This presumption can be undermined by concerns associated with whether "it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information." These lists don't represent "indiscriminate collections of information" since they are discriminate (see Wikipedia:Discriminate vs indiscriminate information). Are they excessive statistics? The concern WP:NOTSTATSBOOK focuses on "readability and neatness". These lists do not seem unreadable or non-neat despite being large. They are fairly well organized and easy to understand. The fact that they are sortable helps. With sufficient context, these lists do not represent a sprawl of confusing data. The "down that path lies" argument seems to a slippery slope argument suggesting that if we let these articles in there will be some sort of chaotic mess and we must let all sorts of sprawling lists like "batting averages for every Major League Baseball player in history" or "precinct election results for all 30,000 precincts". This is not a good argument. Such problematic list would not pass general notability and in many cases probably could not be laid out in a readable and neat manner. Now, re: Dirtlawyer1's Tone. I have remarked on it before Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Longhorns football series records and I will again say that these debates are suppose to be rational, civil, and respectful. Referring to my points as "wrong-headed and self-serving" abridge the respectful tone of this dialogue and I appreciate Cbl62 pointing it out. I see the points Dirtlawyer1 is making, but I disagree with them. There is room for reasonable people to look at rules and come to different interpretations. Someone who disagrees with you is not therefore wrongheaded or self-serving. Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 03:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Can you give some examples of this significant coverage, context, etc? No offense, but people's understanding of what "significant coverage" means can vary wildly, and you haven't provided any sources that one could easily double check. (And in regards to other editors conduct, this is not the venue for that. This is strictly for discussing the article in question.) Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • So, I don't have links for the Iowa page and I am not inclined to edit up the Alabama and Michigan pages in the middle of a deletion debate since my efforts will likely be wasted. I'd say see the reference links on Notre Dame Fighting Irish football series records for what a well-sourced page could look like. It has some online articles though, typically, series records are discussed in reference books as a part of discussion of team history (which is probably why book length treatments are typical) In the case of Notre Dame there is also frequent coverage of individual records against notable non-rival teams. If the notes on the ND page don't constitute "significant coverage" of their series record, I am not sure what "significant coverage" of it would mean. Shatterdaymorn ( talk) 07:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 01:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Dime a dozen free to play video game, no third-party references. Proposed deletion was removed by the article's creator. - Mike Rosoft ( talk) 06:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was redirect to Mafia:_The_City_of_Lost_Heaven#Characters. (non-admin closure)Davey2010 Talk 17:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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This article does not have and can not have and reliable third party sourcing. What little information that can be sourced is already included in the respective games articles. CombatWombat42 ( talk) 05:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) | Uncle Milty | talk | 23:50, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Real Boxer, virtually no info/coverage other than some stats.  superβεεcat  05:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

NOTE I know he was a challenger, but I'm having a hard time finding any coverage of it. There are a lot of challengers, are they all notable to the point of getting their own article? (I'm not being flippant, the answer might be yes...). As far as that reference, it's just some stats, which is part of my reason for nominating. It's not exactly coverage; I can find stats of every division three college badminton player, but that doesn't make them notable... -  superβεεcat  08:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
comment: Hi! Again, please look at Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Boxing. God bless! Antonio Flaco Wannabe Martin ( Por aca 09:52, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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Yep While the references are bad, it looks like he fought for a title at some point. Meets Boxing. Should be kept. Withdraw my nom. -  superβεεcat  09:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Comment It was not helpful that the article does not even mention the world title fight and the single reference does not provide clarity. Anyway with a bit of effort I added in the BoxRec entry which lists the title fight. The article is very new so I hope more details and more references are forthcoming. Peter Rehse ( talk) 20:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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The tower does not exist. I am not certain if this should be a speedy deletion or not. Please correct as needed. 🍺 Antiqueight chat 04:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a musician and politician, featuring exactly zero reliable sourcing. A non-winning election candidate does not get a Wikipedia article on that basis, but may have an article only if you can properly source that he was already eligible for an article for some other reason before he became a candidate — so we have to entirely discount the political run, and evaluate him solely on the basis of whether he passes WP:NMUSIC or not. But the musical career is sourced exclusively to his own self-published website, his three albums were all self-released as far as I can tell from the info given on the website (thus not satisfying NMUSIC #5), and the claims of having performed for political dignitaries are entirely unverifiable in any reliable source coverage of him. I just did a ProQuest search, using extra search terms such as "jazz" or "musician" to weed out hits on Tim Louis the Vancouver city councillor — and that got me five hits, of which four were still about Tim Louis the Vancouver city councillor, and the one hit left over that was referring to Tim Louis the jazz musician was just a glancing namecheck in an article that wasn't about him. So the RS coverage of his music that it would take to make him eligible for a Wikipedia article simply is not there. A musician does not get a Wikipedia article just because it claims notability for him — a musician only becomes eligible for a Wikipedia article if and when you can properly source that they pass NMUSIC for something. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 04:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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http://www.timlouis.com/newsarchive.php?cat=news - His website shows more than a sufficient amount of performance pieces, showing his fame as a Canadian Jazz Musician. This article should stay... — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalObserver ( talkcontribs) 18:24, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Delete as not notable. By the way, there's some very close paraphrasing in the personal life and early music career section. For example, the cited source contains this sentence, which appears almost word for word in the WP article: "Born in New Jersey, Louis first studied under jazz great Kenny Barron, earning a BA in Music from Rutgers University before moving to the New York scene, eventually working alongside the iconic Teo Macero." HazelAB ( talk) 18:54, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was delete all. North America 1000 15:48, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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It's much to early to have an article about a 2018 season for any sport. No games will be played for two years, and there is almost nothing we can say about this season at this point. I'd be open to userfy for future article creation. Oiyarbepsy ( talk) 03:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

The user who has created them has been blocked. I believe those articles can be speedy deleted under WP:G5. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
Fair enough. Delete all the ones added to the AfD post my original comment too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 10:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Ranked list of association football players, with no explanation whatsoever given of what the ranking criteria are or who's doing the ranking. Might just be creator's own self-selected favourites or might be WP:COPYVIO from some other unspecified source, I can't tell — but either way, it's not a thing we should be keeping. I would actually have speedy deleted this, but it's already been speedied once and then got recreated a second time. Still a delete regardless of whether we go with speedy or AFD though. Bearcat ( talk) 03:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. The arguments for delete are stronger than those for redirect though any editor may create a redirect after deletion if desired. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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fails WP:NOTABILITY - see note below Jytdog ( talk) 03:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

My attention was called to this article by this discussion at WP:COIN. I just did several searches and found no good sources:

As far as I can see the subject of this article fails WP:NOTABILITY. The AfD from 2009 linked above had only 4 respondents and I don't think this would survive today. The article has been subject to a bunch of COI editing, per the tags at the top of the Talk page. Jytdog ( talk) 03:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 03:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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May not meet criteria for notability. Glenzo999 ( talk) 03:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable product that lacks significant third party coverage. Product is a so-called professional designation issued by a private company for a fee. Over half of the article was a copy-paste copyvio. Half of what is remaining is a big quote from a single book. The whole thing reads (or read) more like a commercial than an encyclopedia entry. Niteshift36 ( talk) 02:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, a clear consensus following relsting. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP:NACTOR according to the article's own filmography section. Played bit pieces, nearly an extra, in the notable films. NACTOR requires "significant roles in multiple notable films" which are absent. Other than that, sources are really about the films, not about the person. Brianhe ( talk) 08:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 09:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Very clear non-notable PR company bio. Sourced links are journalist quotes in high-profile publications rather than anything notable the journalist did himself. RolledAestri ( talk) 07:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, closing in favour of the nomination. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Appears to be a trivial character with little outside coverage. Mark Schierbecker ( talk) 06:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Esquivalience t 21:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Searching on Google does not give any reliable sources for this school. The proposed deletion was previously declined by Necrothesp. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable musical staged last month, referenced only by the blog of the local theatre where it was staged. There are a few local press articles on it online, but not the sort of in-depth coverage required for WP:GNG. Deleted by prod a month ago on grounds of notability. WP:SPA creator appears to have a conflict of interest, though the tone of the article isn't promotional. NeemNarduni2 ( talk) 19:08, 10 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete, technically, expired PROD-- Ymblanter ( talk) 08:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Completely unsourced WP:BLP of a teen actress "known" only for a minor supporting role in a single film. This is not how an actress gets a Wikipedia article; reliable source coverage must be present to demonstrate a valid claim of notability per WP:NACTOR, which is not the same thing as simply being able to verify that they exist. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when her notability and sourceability improve. Bearcat ( talk) 01:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 00:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Failure to establish WP:NOTABILITY / WP:NBIO, no WP:RS. As currently written, it falls substantially short of being a good encyclopaedia article, it is little more than a very quick info sheet. Murph9000 ( talk) 01:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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