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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 10:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Amelin plays for an amateur team and thus does not meet the notability guidelines for footballers. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The league Allen plays in is only semi-pro, thus he does not meet the notability guidelines for football players. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Doesn't seem to be covered in sufficient independent sources. Of the five sources currently listed, three don't mention the product, one is a press release, and one is the company's site. Looking further I can find some mentions online and reviews in one or two, but nothing substantial that can establish notability. - Bilby ( talk) 23:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Appears to fail WP:NBOOK. Sources in the article reference general facts about language and vocabulary. Only reference I could find online was on a Duolingo forum discussion. TonyBallioni ( talk) 23:45, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi, TonyBallioni. The "Learn These Words First" dictionary was formerly called the "NSM+LDOCE" dictionary, so it's easier to find notable references to it under that name, for example:
The significance/notability of the dictionary is its approach to circular definitions: how they are avoided by splitting the defining vocabulary into multiple layers, where words in each layer are defined using only the words in the previous layers. The article needs work to make that clearer. First attempt to create a page -- should I have created some kind of draft page first and worked on it there? Lexyacc ( talk) 04:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
I tend to agree with Tokoyogirl's comment below. I don't think this is notable, but it might be possible to establish notability for the creator if you could show multiple, reliable, third party sources mentioning him and his work. TonyBallioni ( talk) 14:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Hi, Blythwood. I was attempting to update a few other Wikipedia articles to include recent research on defining vocabularies in learner's dictionaries (namely multi-layer approach to avoiding circular definitions). I wanted to point to the NSM+LDOCE / Learn These Words First dictionary as a good example of this, so adding a page about the dictionary seemed like a good approach, instead of just naming it in several articles. What do you think? Lexyacc ( talk) 04:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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Hi, Shawn in Montreal. Whoops, I mistakenly deleted two of your comments, thinking they were duplicates. (They have been restored.) Now it makes me wonder: do I need to respond to comments in all three of those discussions? Lexyacc ( talk) 04:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC) (I now see it auto-magically updates on all those pages.) reply
  • This article needs a lot of work to establish that it's notable. As far as the website goes, it looks like it was created in 2014 and there's nothing to tie it to the name NSM+LDOCE other than the website creator's name, as this page says that it's based on the NSM+LDOCE, which is used for part of the website's educational plan, ie, the "34 middle layers". Now what I'd personally suggest here is that unless sourcing can be shown that establishes the website and lesson plan as a whole is notable, that you look into creating a page for the website and NSM+LDOCE's creator, David Bullock. (Note that one of the above sources given is by Bullock himself, so it'd be considered primary regardless of who published it.) That would potentially be far easier to create and assert notability for, if Bullock's work is frequently cited enough for him to be considered a notable academic/professor. It's really tough to assert notability for websites, as few gain the type of coverage needed to pass NWEB. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Hi, Tokyogirl79. In editing several other articles, I found myself repeatedly adding the same material about (1) multi-layer defining vocabulary structure, (2) NSM+LDOCE as the best academic reference, and (3) Learn These Words First as a public website where people could see the concept at work (instead of just reading about it). It would be nice to have an article to point to from other articles (so I could streamline some of my redundant edits). Would it make sense to create a more notable article by merging these three related concepts into one article? Lexyacc ( talk) 23:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Improved article - The latest version attempts to clarify notability by improving references and merging three related concepts (Learn These Words First dictionary, multi-layer structure, NSM+LDOCE research) organized under different subheadings. What do you think? Lexyacc ( talk) 00:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Create new article? - Thanks, everyone, for the feedback. I am thinking the focus of the article should really be about the "Multi-layer dictionary" concept, rather than a particular example (Learn These Words First / NSM+LDOCE). In my sandbox, I have been working on rewriting the article with that focus. Would that help notability? I'd still like to mention a concrete example in the article to help explain and clarify the concept. Should I go ahead and create a "Multi-layer dictionary" article and submit it as a draft? Or is there some other procedure I should follow? Lexyacc ( talk) 05:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in both the second and third tiers of Italian football and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented Fenix down ( talk) 09:52, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Alessandro has never played in the top level league in Italy. To be notable a footballer has to have played in the top level league in their country. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 10:00, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Alekseyev does not pass the notability requirements for footballers. The team he plays with is part of a league that is only semi-professional. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 10:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The league that Albry plays in is 6th tier in the German football system. To be notable a person has to play in the top tier football league in the country in which they play. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:13, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 10:01, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Alborov is part of the 2nd league is Russia. A person to be default notable has to be a player for the top fully professional league in a system. No matter how professional a lower ranked league is, playing below the top level in a system does not confer default notability on a person and the coverage here is not enough to pass the GNG John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Alaska is a musician who does not pass the notability guidelines for musicians. The sources used in the article are overwhelmingly not reliable ones. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was keep. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Non-notable video game. This video game was never actually released. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 23:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Again, the theoretical existence of good reliable sources is meaningless so long as there are none within the article. If the sources AdrianGamer and Sotermans have listed really contain information that can be used in the article, then why is no one adding them to the article? See WP: Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#There must be sources.-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 13:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
Unless your suggesting that the three directly linked sources somehow become theoretical solely due to the fact that they were presented here than directly in the article that claim has no merit since by presenting them they are by definition not theoretical. AFD is also not cleanup.-- 67.68.161.51 ( talk) 17:15, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in multiple fully professional leagues and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 09:57, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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If I am following the various links provided in the article correctly, Albayrak plays for a team that is part of an amature legue. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 10:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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Alayev played in the 2nd level football league, to be notable he would have had to compete in the top level league John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in both the first and second tiers of Spanish football and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented Fenix down ( talk) 09:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Cruz is player in the 2nd level football league in Spain. He would have to be a player in the 1st level league to be notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was speedy close. Wrong Xfd. Already at Rfd as the nominator states.. ( non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 23:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Act I: Eternal Sunshine (the pledge)

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    /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_August_12#Act_I:_Eternal_Sunshine_.28the_pledge.29, It was decided it would be deleted but it wasnt for unknown reasons. Iazyges ( talk) 22:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    it turns out I missread it, it has not been decided, I was reading the one under it that was saying it should be deleted, I messed up bad, do I blank this section? Iazyges ( talk) 23:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    While Akburc has some sort of affiliation with a top league team in Turkey, the article provides no evidence he has ever actually played in a regular game for that team, and so no indication that Akburc passes the notability guidelines for footballers. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Jujutacular ( talk) 02:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Akbari is part of the second level football league in Iran. He would need to be part of the first level one to be default notable, but he is not, and there is nothing else to suggest he is notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was speedy keep. Subject has played in at least one fully professional league and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented, I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of NFOOTY here and there is no need to keep all these AfDs open for purely bureaucratic reasons. Fenix down ( talk) 11:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Akbaba plays in the Turkish 3rd league, which according to our article on it is actually the 4th level pro league in Turkey. Only those who play for top level, fully pro leagues in a country are default notable. He falls way below this standard. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    I just wanted to add, as the one responsible for creating the page - I created the page back when he was playing for a top tier team in Turkey, Gençlerbirliği. It seems since then his career status has taken a downturn. It seems he's now playing with an Amateur level team (5th tier), Edirnespor. If the rules are the page stays due to prior high level exposure, all good, but I understand people questioning the status. I'll seek to update the page with the info I have: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kemal-akbaba/profil/spieler/51592 Xfiles82 ( talk) 16:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was speedy keep. Subject has received multiple caps at senior international level and so clearly meets the subject-specific guideline. Closing as there is no reasonable chance of suitable delete arguments being presented Fenix down ( talk) 09:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Hadisi Aengari

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    Does not meet the notability guidelines for football players since the league he plays in is only semi-professional. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 04:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    The Leona Group

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    Altho there are numerous (mostly negative) articles about schools operated by this company, I find nothing on the company itself. Indeed even the reference on the article is not discussion in detail but passing mention of two of their schools in a larger article about charter schools. As this company is not itself a school, SCHOOLOUTCOMES does not apply. Fails CORP. John from Idegon ( talk) 21:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep -- the section "Criticism and school performance" is well sourced and this is information that cannot be found elsewhere on the company's website. The tone is neutral and sourcing is otherwise reasonable to pass GNG. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:35, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Divinity Angels of Rock

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    Doesn't satisfy WP:GNG or WP:BAND - lacks significant coverage in reliable sources —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 21:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Frankie Dee (radio host)

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    Doesn't satisfy WP:BIO - lacks significant coverage in reliable sources —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 21:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Teyana Taylor discography#EPs. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 04:55, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    The Cassette Tape 1994

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    Doesn't satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM - lacks coverage in reliable sources —  JJMC89 ( T· C) 21:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VF/TIS stations, this is a cleanup of old content which was once fully compliant with WP:NMEDIA's rules for the notability of radio stations at the time of creation, but is no longer compliant with the tighter rules that apply today. As the issues are slightly different, however, I'm listing these as a separate batch — unlike tourist information stations, NMEDIA does not deprecate religious stations as automatically non-notable, but these are a particular type of religious station which still fails the other reason why I listed the TIS group: VF stations in Canada are essentially the same thing as Part 15 stations in the United States, and thus do not get an automatic presumption of notability under NMEDIA just for existing, but become eligible for articles only if they can be shown to pass WP:GNG. Once upon a time, the thing that made them different was that VF stations actually did have to have a conventional CRTC license, which made them eligible to be considered notable on the same basis as any other radio station — however, as of 2013 a change in CRTC regulations removed that requirement from church stations (it had already been removed earlier from some other classes of VF, like TIS or weather radio stations), making them now fully equivalent to a Part 15 and leading to the deprecation of VFs as non-notable in WP:BCASTOUTCOMES. For our needs, a VF station's operational status is nearly always entirely unverifiable to any published reliable sources anymore — one of these could now stop operating at absolutely any time without Wikipedia having any way to verify that, because the cessation isn't going to be announced by the CRTC in a public release and there's virtually never any substantive coverage anywhere else. Typically, these stations are licensed to churches, and exist primarily to broadcast religious services so that elderly shut-ins who can't physically get to the church can "attend" mass from home — but they otherwise remain silent when there isn't actually a mass on, meaning they're of no substantive public interest otherwise. And if a station's status as still active or not is unverifiable to us, then we can't keep an article about it anymore either. Delete all. Bearcat ( talk) 20:55, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete all; I was considering a bulk nomination of these low-power religious stations myself, but didn't get around to it. It has been suggested that VF stations are not inherently notable, and I can't imagine these church stations that exist solely to broadcast religious celebrations will ever attain the significant coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. In addition the VF8020 article claims that the station is defunct, and notes that the CRTC revoked the license at the request of the church that owned it — but the CRTC decision specifically notes that the revocation was requested specifically because these stations are now exempt from CRTC licensing, and that the station would remain in operation as an exempt undertaking, meaning that the station was not defunct and at the time had no plans on actually shutting down. While these VF stations still require Industry Canada authorization on a technical level from what I can tell, that simply indicates that they exist on paper; other that that, they are practically non-notable unlicensed low-power stations whose operations are effectively unverifiable at this point. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment: Although VF8027 was incorporated in this nomination, it now has two AfD tags on it because it already has an AfD nomination on its own; this may need to be fixed. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Whoops, sorry, in my middle-aged premature dementia I completely overlooked that I'd already nominated that one separately yesterday. I've removed it from this batch and stripped the second AFD template. Bearcat ( talk) 21:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ Bearcat and Wcquidditch: Are Canadian VF stations like our translators here in the US? If so, the pages could all be redirected to their parent station with the VF stations in a {{ RadioTranslators}} template. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:25 on August 16, 2016 (UTC)
    No, they aren't. This call sign format just denotes that the transmitter is very low power; translators can sometimes be named this way in small villages where they only need VF-level wattage to cover everyone, but so can very low power stations originating non-commercial programming (TIS, weather, mass-for-shut-ins, etc.) under our equivalent to US Part 15 rules, and the latter is what these are. The unusual call sign format only announces the strength of the signal, not whether the transmitter is broadcasting original content or just repeating another station. Bearcat ( talk) 15:17, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Ah, gotcha. I thought those were Canada's answer to our translators and the callsign was just Canada's answer to our W201AA type calls. But if they are the equivalent of our Part 15's, then yeah, non-notable. I think Part 15's are even mentioned in NMEDIA. With that, Delete. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:57 on August 17, 2016 (UTC)
    No worries. Just for future reference, there's no absolutely foolproof way to identify a translator/rebroadcaster in Canada just by its call sign alone, as any call sign format that can be held by a translator station can also be held by an originating one as well. Even the one call sign format that theoretically is uniquely identifying of a translator, the existing call sign of another station with an extra numeric suffix attached to it (e.g. CXXX-FM-2), also has a couple of oddball exceptions where a onetime translator later became a real originating station in its own right without actually changing its original call sign — so even the genuine "rebroadcaster" class of call signs still isn't a fully reliable flag. Bearcat ( talk) 16:22, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Amarendra Sahu

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    The references are all on the company, not him. Part of a promotional effort--see adjacent afd on the company. Even if the company article is kept, this isn't even worth a redirect. DGG ( talk ) 20:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Louisiana USA. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Jennifer Dupont

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    Dupont was Miss Louisiana USA and Miss Louisiana. However neither of these is enough to be notable. When we have articles with statements like "Jennifer was recently married", which lack even a vague sense of time, we are dealing with people who are just marginally notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Louisiana. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    April Nelson

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    Nelson is really only notable for being Miss Louisiana in 2015. Her previous losses is state competitions do not come anywhere close to notability. Her work as an actress at a theatre in Lousiana does not, nor does her being a party princess for hire. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination.
    I'm voting Delete as a BLP for a non-notable person is potential invasion of privacy and may be subject to vandalism. K.e.coffman ( talk) 15:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Miss Washington. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Dunn is only noted for being Miss Washington. The coverage of this all tends to be very local. It is basically one event, and no reason to see her as permanently notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Washington. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:44, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Reina Almon

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    Almon is notable only for being Miss Washington. Although there are lots of sources, it is mainly several from a local paper in Yakima and other equally local sources. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Wyoming. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Allen was Miss Wyoming. That is the only thing she has done that has caused her to get any attention. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:26, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Shannon Camper

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    Camper is really only notable for being Miss Alabama, and that is not enough to be notable. Her work as director of continuing education at a community college is not at the level to be notable. The Point of Lights Foundation Award also does not seem to be on a level for her to be notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:20, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Alexa Jones

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    Jones was a local news reporter and Miss Alabama. Miss Alabama is not enough to make her notable, and her local reporting career is not enough to propel her to notability either. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Redirect to Miss Alabama as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there, in part as the 2005 winner. North America 1000 09:11, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary ( talk) 05:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Yes harm will be done by closing this page as keep. Pages should only be closed keep if it is concluded that the subject actually is notable, especially when the subject is a living person. Exposing non-notable living people to having an article in Wikipedia can create great harm. Beyond this, a small project related to beauty pageants is not at all the right place to discuss the notability issues. It is this type of parochialism that keeps up the over abundance of articles on non-notable people in Wikipedia. Lastly, a discussion that might result in rules that create some sort of guidelines actually is reason to delete. It is clear that few people advocate for the notion that all state beauty pageant winners are notable. There is no harm in deleting the article because it clearly does not meet our guidelines at present. Nominating articles for deletion is a time consuming process, and thousands of articles that come no where near meeting notability guidelines nonetheless exist, sometimes for over a decade, because it is so much easier to create than to delete an article. Keeping articles on merely procedural grounds is not a wise idea. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:27, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete and Redirect as none of thid amounts to the needed independent notability, simply having a few pageant shows is not enough. SwisterTwister talk 15:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Redirect to Miss Alabama as valid search term. -- Dane2007 talk 18:59, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply


    Jamie Langley (Miss Alabama)

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    Langley is really only notable for being Miss Alabama and that is not enough on its own to make someone notable. Langley has been a motivational speaker and such, but there is no indication that any of these activities are at a level to make her notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Amanda Tapley

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    Tapley is really only notable for being Miss Alabama. As much as I wish the one article on her being about to graduate from medical school were enough to establish her notability, I just do not think it cuts it. If this is redirected to the Miss Alabama page, I think we could make sure to include a mention that she is a medical doctor. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was Keep' as a week has suggested nothing else (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 04:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    John Piacentini

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    No independent refs Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:06, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Hi @ Doc James:, thanks for pointing out this problem! I recognize that this article does not have enough articles to establish its notability. I will follow the guideline of WP:Academics to correct this problem, and will update this section as I find more sources. I appreciate the time taken to look at the article! Ongmianli ( talk) 20:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Hi @ Doc James:, do take a look at the John Piacentini article. I'd love your comments on further improving its notability. Appreciate it! Ongmianli ( talk) 20:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    need to look further, but, Espresso Addict a raw h- index is never an argument for either keeping or deleting. It depends on the subject field, and also on whether there were any really heavily cited articles. h-index cannot distinguish between someone with a large deal of not-very-important work, and someone who has made major contributions. DGG ( talk ) 04:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Sorry, this was pretty much intended as a late-night shorthand for "keep per everyone above me". Top five cited papers in GS are 1721, 721, 681, 442, 415, and there are around 37 papers with 100 or more citations. Espresso Addict ( talk) 04:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep. Looking further, though the first, third and fourth articles in GS are whee he is one of the authors of a very large multi-authored study, there are at least 10 papers where he was one of the two or three authors of a paper that had over 200 references. This is sufficient for notability . DGG ( talk ) 04:19, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep. Stunning cites in GS pass WP:Prof by miles. Nominator's rationale is hard to understand. Xxanthippe ( talk) 02:18, 22 August 2016 (UTC). reply
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    The result was redirect to List of starships in Babylon 5. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Olympus-class corvette

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    This topic fails to establish notability. The details here really don't even need to be merged. They're overall irrelevant to general encyclopedic coverage, so Wikia is the only place the topic should be mentioned. TTN ( talk) 19:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) ansh 666 21:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Syed Hasan (writer)

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    Notability, lack of secondary references. Newusers112 ( talk) 05:20, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • delete no claim to notability. And my searches have been fruitless, even when I used the quite unique name of his university - Patna - as a keyword along with his name. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:37, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Note that this article was recently moved from userspace to main space by an editor SwisterTwister, who regularly moves large numbers of articles into main space far too rapidly to have evaluated them, and that, in this particular case, the article was moved although it had been recently rejected by a fellow editor for lack of reliable, secondary sources, which were not provided before SwisterTwister approved it. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:37, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • This is a problem with this editor that has been repeatedly discussed, but nothing is ever done about such obviously disruptive behaviour. The tendency to allow such editors to continue when their judgement is no better than random is one of the reasons why I decided several years ago not to use a registered id for editing. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep the initial draft which was rejected and the draft which got approved are 2 completely different stories. the later is properly sourced, and the references are provided for almost every sentence and is 95 percent without any primary sources unlike the first draft which had almost no references.

    Secondly, instead of searching google for the same we can check those references. the reason I don't suggest google search of his name is because the name of the subject is very common and mostly spelled differently and in other languages as well and would mostly be fruitless as countless other people who are prominent are there by his name, wiki itself has 9 people by his name. just because google can't figure it out, doesn't mean the person is not notable. to be in a notable personality according to wiki policy is

    • The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times. which he did and is properly sourced by secondary sources.
    • The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources.

    the article has secondary sources of his books and awards which itself is a proof of his prominence. if still the secondary references aren't enough for the community to get this approved, I am sure I can add other references as well. Sfaafsar ( talk) 13:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • revisiting I revisited the sources. they are primary; or prizes given by the Ministry he works for - no evidence brought of notability of these prizes; he may be name-checked somewhere in source #6; #7 lists him among student scholarship recipients (hey! I had a scholarship when I was a student, too); #8 did not bring his name up, so I tyoed it into the search box that did come up and got this [8], I don't read Urdu; #9 is the only usable source, a book review in an academic journal of a book that he edited. This does not suffice. #10 is a library catalogue listing, but publishing a book is not suffice. The book has to be reviewed/written up in a RS. I deny the allegation that I was unaware that the page had been revised before SwisterTwister approved it for mainspace. I do not accuse fellow editors of carelessness lightly. The problem I could see then and still see now is that the sources are not valid. (unless RS can be brought) This article should not have been approved for mainspace. And should not be kept. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:48, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Question By chance can anyone identify a companion entry in any other language that might further inform us? I feel like I don't have the language skills or the context necessary to assess; it's not at all implausible to me that either some of these awards or even being a chair of a department is enough for WP:PROF (and what's more, I'd hate to see us lose an entry if it were about a notable, pre-internet-era Indian scholar of Persian literature, which could be a very useful contribution indeed), but I don't know nearly enough about the awards, the university, etc. to say, and I agree with E.M. Gregory that I'm not seeing the secondary sources for WP:BASIC. Innisfree987 ( talk) 17:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • It would have been much better if this article had been left in userspace and discussed properly there rather than being moved prematurely to mainspace where it becomes subject to this adversarial process. It is quite possible that the subject, as a university head of department, is notable, but that hasn't been demonstrated yet. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep. I don't think we have sufficient evidence to decide, and I think it would not be a good idea to delete, because someone in this position is likely to be notable . (And I do not se the point of keeping it in userspace where nobody who has the necessary background is likely to see it or work on it. The place where articles get improved is mainspace. DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I'm not seeing the notability DGG is seeing. The claims made on the page are a small number of publications and a teaching job at a university. Many academics are not notable; many full professors are not notable. If it turns out that this one, is, we can recreate the article. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 20:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • My reasoning for saying that this would have been better left in user space was that while the "articles for creation" process was still going on there would have been a better opportunity to ask the article creator, who is probably better placed that most of us to do so, to find better sources. Now that the article is undergoing the adversarial AfD process, which, like it or not, is a battleground, it is less likely that we will get friendly cooperation to improve the chances of keeping and improving it. We are where we are, so I certainly wouldn't advocate returning it to user space. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep I wavered on this, because I share DGG's view about the likely notability of the subject, and that keeping it in mainspace is the best way to encourage the needed work on it--but I'm also wary about an entry that has limited sources, a variety of language challenges (such as the numerous different transliterations of the subject's name, plus a different scholar in the same field with a virtually-matching name), and essentially only one editor currently working to interpret those, with that editor being quite new to Wikipedia and still learning the intricacies of how WP uses sources (as am I for that matter). That could add up to an entry that diverges from WP:WHYN's important guidance that multiple secondary sources are necessary "so that we can write a reasonably balanced article that complies with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, rather than representing only one author's point of view." Being certain of not misleading readers about something like the neutrality of an article is a higher priority to me than growing the encyclopedia. But after consideration, I believe the entry's claims (in the present draft--the previous one was a different story) are sufficiently limited that the clean-up tags suffice to warn readers about what may be the entry's present limitations; it does not need to be deleted to protect readers, and keeping it may encourage expansion of a valuable resource. Innisfree987 ( talk) 22:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was keep. The consensus after relisting appears to be that the article is sufficiently covered in depth. DGG ( talk ) 03:47, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    BuddyPress

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    I still confirm my removed PROD; my analysis of the now added sourced are 1 PR and the the other 2 are simply a few unconvincing paragraphs; there's still no actual substance. SwisterTwister talk 22:54, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Comment about these sources - Analyzing these listed sources have journals, which is perhaps something, but I'm still not seeing enough as some of this is still thin, especially since we're not sure about the needed depth, some of the last sources, I will note, are simply interviews. SwisterTwister talk 00:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Redirect to Automattic as wholly unremarkable on its own; "further reading" sources are mostly fluff. Coverage is not there to meet GNG and sustain an encyclopedia entry. I trimmed the article by removing "product brochure" content and uncited claims, and there's just nothing there. Add: the Automattic article appears to have spawned sub-articles on every WordPress plug-in; I think most of them can be consolidated there. K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    This comment simply seems to be based from what the sources may seem to be like at first time, I wonder if they have simply ignored what I said above and chose to consider it notable simply by their own choices. SwisterTwister talk 22:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    I admit I´m a little bit puzzled here. I just started to take part on the AfD stuff, but I see similar patterns in various discussions: the same editors support delete in cases, where other editors (usually also repeating names) think notability is proven. Maybe never-ending inclusionists vs deletionists dispute? I´m probably more on the "inclusionist" side, because I think sources are sufficient to keep this article. Pavlor ( talk) 05:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ Pavlor: and for other reasons, such as the fact that we need a larger labor force (of editors). I hope that you will join us. If you do, it's useful to know that what we truly need are more editors like Northamerica1000, who search out and bring sources to the debate. Sources weigh far more than opinion in these discussions. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:38, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Pavlor. E.M.Gregory, I do not think it is helpful to talk about a inclusionist versus a deletionist "side" or to hope that a person joins one party or another. Each article depends on the individual circumstances, and there are many to take into account, besides notability . Even with notability, almost everyone here tends to be more skeptical of particular types of articles, and more willing to accept others. It will always be a matter of degrees, which articles are worth fixing, and no matte where one sets the boundary, there will always be a fuzzy zone about what articles will be harmful to an encyclopedia DGG ( talk ) 03:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Courtney Porter

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    Porter is only notable for being Miss Alabama. WInning a state Miss title is not enough on its own to make someone notable John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Catherine Crosby

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    Crosby is only marginally known for being Miss Alabama 2004. She is a lawyer, but not at a level to maker her notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 19:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was speedy delete. Article makes no assertion of notability. The Wordsmith Talk to me 19:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    WikiConference North America 2016

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    Doesn't meet GNG, mostly crystal ball at this point. Keilana ( talk) 18:58, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. North America 1000 01:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Bluehand

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    Sources used given in this article are all primary. In my brief search I could not find anything that would signal notability. Sjrct ( talk) 18:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    The Pioneer Trail (tour)

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    See WP:AN/CXT for the discussion background to this; during that discussion, the community re-confirmed its longstanding view that a raw machine translation is worse than nothing. ( WP:MACHINETRANSLATION dates back to about 2006.) This article is a raw machine translation from French about a cultural tour in Québec. I found the article as part of the ongoing cleanup project. At first I prodded it, but it was deprodded on the pretence that a poor translation isn't a valid reason for deletion (despite longstanding consensus to the contrary). In the meantime the community had enacted X2, a speedy deletion criterion for these raw machine translations, which User:DGG declined. So now we're stuck with a raw machine translation in the mainspace which is clearly counter-policy. Even if we do need an article about this cultural tour (and I take no position on that point), this machine translation is not a useful step towards that article. Delete. — S Marshall T/ C 18:21, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Keep. Even as first entered here, this was readable. By the time I saw it, it was no longer a poor quality machine translation. There were still some unidiomatic construction and a few words were still in French. I fixed that. It took about five minutes. The only thing it still needs is the addition of some English language references to supplement the French ones. S Marshall, your expectations for the quality of English prose do not seem realistic. Anyone not liking the quality of my results is welcome to improve it. There are certainly articles to which X1 is applicable, and I have deleted one or two, but this was never one of them. Indeed, if the first version of this was a machine translation the quality of the program is remarkably high, much more than I would have expected. If X1 is going to be used in this altogether inappropriate manner, it should be removed from the criteria. DGG ( talk ) 18:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • With respect, DGG, you're fundamentally misunderstanding my case. The problem is not with the quality of the English prose, but with the fact that machine translations are unreliable. There are various circumstances in which the translation software can fail to parse negative sentences correctly, thereby inadvertently reversing the meaning of the source text. If a native English speaker then cleans up the prose, then that cloaks the problem but it doesn't actually solve it unless they can read the original and confirm that it's correct. How's your French?— S Marshall T/ C 18:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Oh, it's probably okay-ish. I mean, it's got confused about vingtaine and it's run into the usual machine translation problems with depuis, but otherwise it isn't horrible. French is a relatively easy case because there are lots of native English speakers who know it. This project is also dealing with some considerably more obscure tongues where we really can't check, and what I'm trying to establish is the principle that X2 is enforced even when the English "translation" is plausible.— S Marshall T/ C 19:09, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Miss Wyoming USA. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Kristin George

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    George is really only known because she was Miss Wyoming USA. Her television apparences are extremly minor, and not enough for notability. We have had many discussions on this issue, and the general consensus seems to be that winners of state Miss USA competitions are not notable for such alone, and that there needs to be a strong additional reason to have the article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 18:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. North America 1000 02:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Fairmont Heliopolis

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    Fails WP:GNG, no indication of encyclopedic importance. Brianhe ( talk) 17:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    VF/TIS stations

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    Delete. Cleanup of various old lingering articles about radio stations that are not compliant with Wikipedia's contemporary rules about the notability of radio stations. These were acceptable at the time they were created, but WP:NMEDIA has since been tightened up in various ways which now preclude them: NMEDIA explicitly states that tourist information stations are not automatically presumed notable anymore just because their CRTC license verifies that they exist, and WP:BCASTOUTCOMES explicitly deprecates "stations with VF# call signs in Canada" as not inherently notable. In fact, due to a change in CRTC regulations, VF stations are now exempt from having to have a CRTC license at all anymore, and are thus now even more equivalent to USian Part 15 stations than they used to be (and no, Part 15s don't get automatic notability either) — for one thing, a station like this can now go out of operation without us ever being able to verify that in order to keep the article current and accurate, because they have no obligation to inform the CRTC that they've ceased broadcasting and they're rarely if ever the subject of any significant coverage anywhere else. So, again, they were acceptable at the time — but under the rules that pertain now, they aren't anymore. Bearcat ( talk) 17:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Neeraj Pandey. MBisanz talk 12:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Crack (film)

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    Today it was announced that this movie might be made. Fails notability of movies. John Jaffar Janardan ( talk) 17:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete for now. This was announced, but it's far far WP:TOOSOON for this to have an article. The thing with films is that it's quite common for them to be postponed, cancelled, or otherwise have something happen that would negatively impact the movie at this stage of the game, so I'm hesitant at this even redirecting to the director's article, although that is a possibility. We can't even guarantee that the title would remain the same, as the director's film Special 26 was originally called Special Chabbis. Even the most certain project can falter and never get made. If someone wants to userfy this then I have no problem with that, but it's just too soon for this to warrant an article. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 02:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Redirect - per WP:NFF for now to either director of the actor's page. -- βα£α( ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ) 05:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete - Definitely WP:TOOSOON as it was announced that the movie might be made and not enough coverage to warrant an entry or establish notability. -- Dane2007 talk 19:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Joep Gommers

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    Procedural nomination. Legitimately declined A7 keeps being restored. Adam9007 ( talk) 17:01, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. The soft redirect to Wiktionary proposal has not received support thus not going for that here. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Plash

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    Fails WP:GNG, as per several source searches. North America 1000 10:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    See Monkey Songs

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    Some sources exist (e.g. [9], [10]), but this company falls short of meeting WP:CORPDEPTH. North America 1000 09:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:21, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Zed Gossip

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    Does not meet WP:WEBCRIT, as per several source searches. North America 1000 09:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 21:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Slash-in-the-Box

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    Does not meet WP:NFP or other other evidence of notability for films, per several source searches. North America 1000 09:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep. I really wasn't expecting to find much of anything, as short films usually get the short end of the stick, pun intended. It looks like it gained some attention when it released and some additional attention once it got snapped up to be part of a horror anthology film in 2013. The coverage isn't the most overwhelmingly strong, but it did get just enough to where I'd say it could be kept. If we had an article for the anthology film I might have argued for a redirect, but we don't and there's just enough here to wobble by NFILM. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Keep. There is enough information to remain. It's an interesting subject to many, and the writer/director has a strong history. It appears to meet the necessary guidelines. FairlySavvy 17:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FairlySavvy ( talk • contribs)
    • Keep - As Tokyogirl79 mentioned, I was surprised to find enough coverage on this. I definitely think we should be keeping this. -- Dane2007 talk 19:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:22, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Sippy Gill

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    Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO, WP:BASIC or WP:NACTOR, per several source searches. Coverage found is insufficient to meet notability guidelines (e.g. [11], [12]). North America 1000 09:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    List of Universities in U.S. with Information Systems ABET Accreditation

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    Does not meet WP:LISTN because the topic has not been discussed as a group or set by reliable sources. North America 1000 09:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:22, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    List of songs about Chennai

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    Does not meet WP:LISTN because the topic has not been discussed as a group or set by reliable sources. North America 1000 08:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. North America 1000 02:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    CactusSoft

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    References are just mentions on lists of derived from company sites DGG ( talk ) 16:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Scott Nute

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    A former minor league professional baseball player who founded a non notable ministry... struggling to see how this passes WP:GNG Theroadislong ( talk) 15:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. czar 16:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    BaySand

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    Declined WP:PROD. Company does not meet WP:CORP notability level. Current refs are mostly press releases/primary sources. Standard searches didn't reveal much else. -- 1Wiki8........................... ( talk) 15:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Comment: the first article contains a trivial mention: "FFSA – Fit Fast Stuctured Array is astructured array custom vehicle that incorporates technology from BaySand..." (and that's it). The second article appears to be a reprinted press release about a partnership: "EnSilica and BaySand team on 65nm MPW runs" with quotes from executives: "“With EnSilica’s involvement in the ASIC UltraShuttle-65 program, our mutual customers now have the opportunity to implement a SoC with a full set of sophisticated IPs including RISC-based CPU, encryption and hardware accelerators,” says BaySand EVP of Marketing and Sales, Ehud Yuhjtman." So this is all essentially PR / trivial mentions. They only serve to confirm that the company exists, and do not rise to the level of CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • See, that's useful. I wish that Wpteoh would log in and explain why those references make our subject notable. K.e.coffman, my comment really didn't pertain to you, but more to the comment of Shoy, which appears to be incorrect. Now, I do not agree that the extensive quotes make it a press release, though it appears to be very friendly press. Thank you, Drmies ( talk) 03:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    BlueMail

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    Nothing notable about this, just another WP:MILL application. Also appears to be rather promotional. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 15:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Suburban Girl Meder

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    Unremarkable show. Page is FULL of redlinks with no references. Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 15:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Delete. Zackmann actually beat me to the nom. I prodded this yesterday. The show has no significant reliable sourcing under the translated name, under the Georgian title "გოგონა გარეუბნიდან მედიარი" (or without the MedER portion "მედიარი") or the transliterated "Gogona Gareubnidan" (with and without the "Mediari" at the end). I can't even tell if this is a medial drama a la Grey's Anatomy, like the article asserts and the title and the title card (which is real) suggests, or is an adaptation of Ugly Betty, which LatinTimes states in a trivial mention. Though, I'm seeing some non-RS sites say it was originally an Ugly Betty-esque drama and then switched to be like Grey's Anatomy. But, that's all irrelevant, because the sheer fact that I can barely verify this exists and how it even works says that it is not notable. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 15:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Elhadji Ndoye

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    Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested without a reason being provided. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 15:06, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:33, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Marc Diakiese

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    Non notable athlete, doesn't pass WP:ATHLETE and minor games doesn't mean he should be included. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Sir Joseph (talk) 16:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Non-notable, receiving an OBE, and the lowest level is not enough. No other claims of notability. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Another boilerplate phobia article with no actual clinical sources. GHits are amplified by use as a reference to social prejudice and by a band name. Mangoe ( talk) 14:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep. Although I acknowledge there are some -phobia articles on fringe pillars, I have noticed that dementophobia is not merely discussed in lists but has gone further by gaining traction through use in permanently recorded media and additionally conveying meaning to the term that correlates with the definition provided here. Laatmedaar ( talk) 07:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC) Struck !vote by blocked sockpuppet — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • delete No reliable medical sources. Staszek Lem ( talk) 20:40, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete - No reliable medical sources, as stated.
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    The result was no consensus. Mackensen (talk) 02:15, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply

    1000 percent

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    This phrase is known only for its use in the United States presidential election, 1972, and indeed almost all content in the article is about that election (and not about the phrase, as such). Because we are not a dictionary ( WP:NOTDICT), the information that it means "highly enthusiastic support" and "became a byword for foolish and insincere exaggeration" is better suited to Wiktionary, together with the usage examples, and the rest of the content belongs into articles about the election.  Sandstein  13:57, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    It is not true to claim the phrase is known "only" for its use in 1972. The articles gives examples from well-known writers in the 1950s. It's a standard POLITICAL phrase. 1) Harry Truman used the term in his 1956 Memoirs long before the 1972 election: [ with the “1000 percent support”of Senator Wherry] 2) Politicians in 1954: Thomas had pledged "1000-percent" support for McCarthy, "his objectives, and his methods." [Thomas C. Reeves - 1997] 3) support for a war: profound reluctance to get involved in just about any military endeavor that was not a clear win, that did not have 1,000 percent support of the American people [Georgie Anne Geyer - 2015]; 5) support for victims: "Holocaust compensation was sounded by Congresswoman Maxine Waters of California. While registering “1000 percent” support “to get justice for all of the victims" [Norman G. Finkelstein - 2003]; 6) 10) Congressional support for a bill: We want to go on record here today in 100 percent, indeed 1000 percent support of the bill by Rep. Joel T. Broyhill [United States Senate. Committee on the Judiciary - 1974]. Going beyond politics we have many examples: 7) support for a spouse: "I would have expected 1000 percent support from my husband and yet I got none." [Margaret A. Heffernan - 2004]; 8) supporting missionaries: "Thanks to both of you for your 1000 percent support on this journey." [Emmanual M. Kolini, ‎Peter R. Holmes - 2010]; 9) at work place: “I never lost a dime in salary, never anything other than 1,000 percent support,” she says. “That's a debt of gratitude I never will be able to pay back.” [Joseph Coleman - 2015]; 10) the boss: "You must have 1000 percent support from the CEO" [Frank Pacetta, ‎Roger Gittines - 1995]; 11) for children "and as long as they are positive then we as a family will give them 1000 percent support." [Cincinnati Magazine - Feb 2000 - Page 109] Rjensen ( talk) 14:57, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    — Note to closing admin: Rjensen ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD— and is 1000% behind this article (sorry, couldn't resist). Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Delete I'm sorry, no matter how many occurrences one can cite, I have a hard time accepting at any occurrence of > 100% is notable here. I'm thinking of such expressions as "giving 110%," and so on. These may well be dictionary entries, though. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete. I would even be dubious about including this in wiktionary, but if it belongs anywhere, it's there. As it stands it's basically a definition and some examples of usage, which we could come up with for thousands of phrases, and I don't believe a compendium of phrases is one of the purposes of Wikipedia. -- Michig ( talk) 15:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete - adding an extra zero to 100% is not sufficient cause for an article.10000% and 1000000% would likewise be out. Artw ( talk) 15:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    The wiki rule is that: a word or phrase itself may be an encyclopedic subject. In these cases, the word or phrase in and of itself passes Wikipedia's notability criteria as the subject of verifiable coverage by reliable sources. WP:WORDISSUBJECT the answer to that is yes: One RS wrote: "the '1,000 percent phrase' is possibly the most damaging single faux pas ever". Trent, Judith S., and Jimmie D. Trent. "The rhetoric of the challenger: George Stanley McGovern." Communication Studies 25#1 (1974): 11-18. Also see detailed enycylopedic coverage by William Safire, Safire's New Political Dictionary (1993) pp 796-7; and Josh Chetwynd (2016) The Field Guide to Sports Metaphors: A Compendium of Competitive Words and Idioms pp. 9–10; as well as a full-length scholarly book that uses the term on 20 pages : Glasser, Joshua M. Eighteen-Day Running Mate: McGovern, Eagleton, and a Campaign in Crisis (Yale University Press, 2012). Rjensen ( talk) 15:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Indeed. Of course you've omitted the beginning of that sentence, which is: "In some cases..." Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I suggest it fits this case well. Its 1972 use is one of the most important faux pas in history --dictionaries never say things like that! and the claim that it is limited to the 1972 election is just false. Babe Ruth was using it in 1920s ["let's bat 1000%"] Rjensen ( talk) 16:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Okay. Well, look, I won't belabour my !vote. But the Babe probably said, 'let's go get 'em boys' and a thousand other things. And I'd argue that "batting 1000%" is different because he's riffing on batting .300 or .400. Anyway, we shall see. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 17:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    "1000%" has a literal meaning in the dictionaries (= a multiply by 10) and a figurative meaning in the history books and in literature and for Babe Ruth: as a metaphor it means very high emphasis, or enthusiastic support. It's widely used in politics as the pre-1960 cites to Truman, McCarthy, Allan Drury show. Since 1972 it also has a sarcastic use. ("he said 1000% but he really gave no support at all") The main dictionaries like OED and Webster's 3rd do not mention this usage. The 1000% term meets the Wiki notability criterion so I think the complaints all vanish.
    • Delete as I'm not seeing enough information about the phrase itself, other than in the context of particular examples, and other than as an example of what could just as well be 110%, 1000000%, 2000%. It's mathematical, a malapropism, or a way of expressing enthusiasm or unquestionable support, but in any of those cases it's one of many ways to do so, has some specifically noteworthy examples, but itself is not a distinct encyclopedic subject. I do have a question about whether this content can be used elsewhere. Perhaps there's a common subject mathematically nonsensical support? :) I'm not terribly familiar with the inclusion policies of Wikiquote, but could it support a page on the phrase? There's an awful lot to get it started, here. I wouldn't be opposed to Userfying while figuring out if it can be used elsewhere. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:58, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I think comments should be based on the Wiki rule: The wiki rule is that: a word or phrase itself may be an encyclopedic subject. In these cases, the word or phrase in and of itself passes Wikipedia's notability criteria as the subject of verifiable coverage by reliable sources. Notability. it is not true that "it could just as well be 110%, 1000000%, 2000%" -- we have a term that unlike them is unique and notable ["possibly the most damaging single faux pas ever" says RS] and is covered in numerous RS in fields such as politics & sports. Rjensen ( talk) 15:09, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Exactly right. And I am not seeing the kind of coverage that makes this an encyclopedic subject. I see documented usage. I see talk of particular uses. Where is the in depth coverage of the term, rather than e.g. an example of its use where it could've been any other "enthusiastic support" cliche? What unites the various usages? What is there to say about the topic if you remove specific uses? In e.g. the McGovern example, where is the term itself being discussed apart from its significance in the context of his withdrawal of support? The faux pas was not use of the term, it was expressing enthusiastic support and then withdrawing it, right? That he said it and that it was remarked upon is not coverage of the term itself sufficient to turn it into an encyclopedic subject -- it just makes a particular usage (among others) well documented, appropriate for inclusion in a quote book, dictionary, or particular examples in articles about their contexts (like the article about the campaign). I admit it's an awfully difficult thing to search for sources on, and I may have missed some of what you're referring to, so would be happy to take a look, but I haven't seen evidence of the term passing WP:GNG. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    the test of notability is when multiple RS from multiple sources cover it, as happens here. Various critics have given other examples above but none of which get any notability scores whatever. Wikipedia is about notability and that is judged by all the cited RS. Rjensen ( talk) 16:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep as the 1972 usage passes WP:WORDISSUBJECT. See in particular this book which states "The instantly famous "thousand percent" phrase laid the groundwork for the Nixon campaign's charge that McGovern was, as one of their attack ads graphically showed, a weathervane." This article is well-sourced, and at the very worst the relevant parts might be merged into articles related to the 1972 election. If kept as a standalone article it might be trimmed back a bit, to focus on the election incident. -- Sammy1339 ( talk) 00:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 12:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Delete or Merge with George McGovern presidential campaign, 1972. Outside of that campaign, the article is just a list of examples, with original analysis. Margalob ( talk) 15:45, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was Snow Keep. ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 02:37, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Autobiography (with input from sock) failing to satisfy WP:PROF. for (;;) (talk) 10:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Spinning Spark 18:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply

    Andrew Peterson (author)

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    promotional article for non notable writer. Copied from his about the author page (with a proper license), it still shows the inadvisability of doing so, for it reads like what it is: an advertisement. His books are not notable: WorldCat shows holdings of between 80 and 150 libraries, which is trivial for works of this genre. DGG ( talk ) 03:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • sources Here: [13] is an interview with Peterson who is the author of audio books that are strong sellers. Of course, MarketWatch is not exactly the Wall Street Journal. And there is this long profile in a California weekly (Burning Book

    Ryce, Walter. Monterey County Weekly [Seaside, Calif] 16 Oct 2008) because it is paywalled, I am reproducing it here:

    • Local adventure hobbyist releases a novel that carries a momentum to match his life's spirit.
    • Wearing a short-sleeved. Hawaiian shirt tucked into crisp jeans that end in sensible shoes, the 50-year-old Andrew Peterson could be a genial math teacher. Or a store manager on his day off.
    • But Peterson is-quite purposefully-an expert rifleman, accomplished diver, neophyte helicopter pilot and volunteer firefighter, and an action thriller author learning choice lessons about writing along the way.
    • At age 6, Peterson learned something at a summer camp that would ultimately make its way into the book: how to shoot with a bolt-action rifle. He continued to develop the "hobby," winning state championships in Arizona and Nevada, beating Marine Corps shooting teams in each.
    • "Guns have a negative connotation in our society," he says, visiting Salinas from his obscure in-county outpost between King City and Paso Rubles. "If you can get past that, it's a lot of fun. I'm not a hunter. I'm a target shooter."
    • He's also a volunteer firefighter in the unincorporated South County community of Lockwood. He wanted to give back to the community, he says, which brought him in proximity to some risky business.
    • "There was a fire about a mile from my house, before the Big Sur fires. Five acres. I was on the front lines-close enough to get sprayed by retardant from the firefighting bomber plane."
    • He's also gone to great depths in his chase for the new thrills.
    • "I've always enjoyed being in the water, so I thought, 'Why not go [deeper] underwater?'"
    • He went beyond recreational diving and received technical training in scuba diving off Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, exploring uncharted underwater caves and diving 200 feet into shipwrecks off the Bikini Atoll where the government exploded nuclear weapons in the 1940s and '5Os. Called "penetrative diving," it's among the most dicey styles of scuba.
    • He almost admits that the danger is part of the lure, he just has a different name for it: "challenge."
    • A self-storage real estate developer for 23 years, Peterson seems equally content with the quiet life afforded him by his remote home, where he lives with his wife of 19 years. But his thirst for challenge has motivated and moved him, and at least once nearly killed him.
    • "I like challenging things in my life," he says, "like scuba diving. And helicopters.
    • "I was training with my [helicopter] instructor, coming in for a Pinnacles landing when we got caught in a downdraft. We were going down into the bank. The instructor and I did the same maneuver in tandem: We applied left cyclic [control stick], turned the helicopter to the left, and followed the contour of the slope, sideways, down to safety."
    • Another recent challenge threw up a patch of turbulence: He began writing. A "big Star Trek fan," Peterson started-but didn't finish-a script for an episode of Star Trek: Next Generation. He did finish an action thriller manuscript, which he sent to freelance editor Ed Staclder, who's worked with thriller authors Greg lies and Ridley Pearson.
    • "He told me to abandon that book and work on another one," says Peterson, looking as deflated as if that rejection had just happened.
    • Maybe because Peterson couldn't resist die challenge, he did just that: nine months of writing followed by three months of editing until he was "sick of [the manuscript]." He sent it in. And in November 2007, Andrew Peterson became a published author.
    • "The warm glow from the cabin's I window told a lie. The scream from within told the truth."
    • That's how Peterson's adrenalized thriller First to ÊÁÉ begins. The protagonist is Nathan Daniel McBride, a former Marine sniper, CIA operative and assassin ("He's the only man with the skill necessary to get the job done," reads the book's back-jacket blurb). The U.S. government recruits him to defeat a band of rogue would-be terrorists.
    • The story tackles topical moral questions, like the use of deadly force and torture against terrorism. In a scene in which McBride is coercing information from two "miscreants," he tells them: "This is an anti-Miranda situation. You do not have the right to remain silent."
    • It's a precisely written story, if unsubtle, with political overtones and a vigorous paramilitary streak-fetish, even.
    • "Nathan McBride is an anti-hero," says Peterson. "He's not a Boy Scout But he still retains his humanity."
    • A sequel is planned as Peterson promotes First to Kill on a book tour of 97 West Coast Costco stores.
    • "I'm not saying I've extinguished all my thrill seeking, but I'm not a kid anymore," he says. "I don't know what's next I just hope something exciting happens."
    • Copyright Monterey County Coast Weekly Oct 16-Oct 22, 2008. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:51, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • more on sources (Grit Lit: First get educated, then entertained, Knapp, Myles. Oakland Tribune [Oakland, Calif] 20 Sep 2009) is an interesting essay on men's action lit. Here's the part specific to Peterson, " "First To Kill" by Andrew Peterson. (Leisure Books $7.99 softcover, 356 pages, www.dorchesterpub .com) Nathan McBride was the best when he did a Michael Jordan. He walked away. Put his violent life as a Marine sniper and covert CIA operative behind him. But a ton of Semtex explosive disappeared, and the U.S. government coaxed him out of retirement.
    • It's action, action, action. "... (T)his guy was solid muscle and huge, taller than Nathan by an inch or two. With his shaved head and hourglass torso, he looked like a bouncer. To anyone else he might have looked intimidating. To Nathan, he was three hundred pounds of hamburger with an amphibian's brain attached."
    • Can you say "Wowee-Zowee!"?" E.M.Gregory ( talk) 15:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Note that there also exists a contemporary author of juvenile fiction named Andrew Peterson, who probably merits an article due to the popularity of his series "The Wingfeather Saga." (Books series can help draw in readers, Perry, MelissaView Profile. The Ithaca Journal [Ithaca, N.Y] 01 Oct 2015) If article is kept, title should be changed to clarify that hit is the author adult action thrillers. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep. Although I started out as a skeptic on this badly written, poorly sourced WP:FANCRUFT pr WP:PROMO. and with a joke about one of the first sources I found NOT being the WSJ, I now see that the Wall Street Journal has in fact written him up; I just added that to the article. Lots of sources exist, just add keywords such as thriller character name or book titles to his name when searching. (with apologies for long comments above, I was trying to make it easier for other editors to evaluate password protected sources.) E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:03, 5 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • I forgot to link to the Wall Street Journal article that I referenced, "Amazon to Speed Up Authors' Royalty Payments", It notes that " one title published by Kindle Serials, Andrew Peterson's thriller "Option to Kill," has sold over 70,000 copies and is now available as a finished book digitally and as a trade paperback. The first episode of "Option to Kill" was published in September; the completed book was available digitally in late November and the paperback went on sale in early January." [14]. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment The "review" that E.M. Gregory cites in full is a splendid example of a totally unreliable source -- or would be if it didn't give the show away in the first line "a local hobbyist" An article in even WSJ saying nothing more than that the book was published and sold a respectable but small numebr of copies is indeed from the other extrmee of published sources, but says nothing significant about the author. DGG ( talk ) 04:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
      1. Pemberton, Patrick S. (2008-08-03). "A Man of Action - Local Author Interview Paso Writer Andrew Peterson's First Action-Adventure Novel Features Nathan McBride -- A Larger-Than-Life Rambo Type Yet as Believable as Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan". The Tribune. Archived from the original on 2016-08-29. Retrieved 2016-08-29.

        The article notes:

        Like the main character in his debut novel, Andrew Peterson is a helicopter pilot and an expert marksman.

        Yet, aside from that, the fictional Nathan McBride doesn't outwardly have a lot in common with his creator. And from a marketing standpoint, that's probably a good thing.

        "There's really nothing very interesting about a real estate developer who's also an architect," said Peterson, who lives near Paso Robles.

        Peterson's writing career, which received a huge boost from bestselling author Ridley Pearson, is rooted in his childhood, when the La Jolla native would read science fiction books in his room.

        ...

        In junior high school, an English teacher predicted Peterson would one day become an author, but Peterson didn't believe him. Instead, he studied architecture at the University of Oklahoma. Becoming a draftsman didn't interest him, though, so he got into real estate development, specializing in storage units.

        The career switch fared well for Peterson, who drives a Hummer and took lessons to become a helicopter pilot. But he still had the bug for writing.

        After reading authors like Stephen King, Dean Koontz and John Saul, Peterson tried writing a horror novel in 1990.

      2. Pemberton, Patrick S. (2011-12-04). "The Write Stuff - 'Operation Thriller II': Authors in Afghanistan - At the invitation of the USO, five thriller authors -- including Andrew Peterson of SLO County -- spent a week entertaining and visiting American troops in Afghanistan". The Tribune. Archived from the original on 2016-08-29. Retrieved 2016-08-29.

        The article notes:

        After boarding a turboprop military transport plane, novelist Andrew Peterson knew immediately that the 3 1/2-hour flight into a war zone wasn't going to be anything like his previous -- first-class -- flight across the Atlantic.

        But it would offer an accurate glimpse into an American soldier's life in Afghanistan.

        ...

        Peterson coordinated the visit, called Operation Thriller II. The trip included high-profile writers Clive Cussler, who has written more than 50 books, including the popular Dirk Pitt series; Mark Bowden, whose book "Black Hawk Down" became a popular action movie directed by Ridley Scott; Kathy Reichs, the forensic anthropologist whose books inspired the TV show "Bones"; and Sandra Brown, a thriller and romance novelist who has 80 million copies of her books in print.

        Less a household name, Peterson has written two novels, both featuring Marine sniper Nathan McBride -- "Forced to Kill" and "First to Kill," the latter of which was recently optioned for a motion picture.

        "I'm sort of the rookie of the group," said Peterson, a trained architect, who made a living as a real estate developer and self-storage entrepreneur before turning to writing full time. "I only have two books out; my fellow authors are really well known."

      3. McKenzie, Kathryn (2011-08-21). "Authors take 'Operation Thriller' to troops". The Monterey County Herald. Retrieved 2016-08-29.

        The article notes:

        Although Andrew Peterson writes novels about daring acts and undercover intrigue, he hasn't personally experienced any of this in real life. Until now.

        Peterson, a resident of the Bryson Hesperia area in southernmost Monterey County, will visit the Middle East with other best-selling thriller writers in late September as part of a special USO/Armed Forces Entertainment tour.

        The author of "First To Kill" (Leisure Books, 2008) and "Forced To Kill" (Audible.com, 2011) said it's the least he can do for the soldiers serving our country.

        ...

        Born and raised in San Diego, Peterson earned a bachelor's degree in architecture, but ended up becoming a successful real estate developer and self-storage entrepreneur. He and his wife, Carla, moved to their 120-acre spread in Bryson Hesperia a decade ago to enjoy the peace and quiet of this rural area near Bradley.

        Peterson has been writing short stories and novels for many years, but it wasn't until 2008 that his first book was published. He had started out as a horror writer, but realized it wasn't a good fit for him, and switched to his present genre.

      4. The Monterey County Weekly article and MarketWatch articles mentioned by E.M.Gregory ( talk · contribs).
      There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Andrew Peterson to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

      Cunard ( talk) 01:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Comment it is sufficient evidence to reject these sources from their very titles: "local author'. Local news coverage of local authors is both indiscriminate and unreliable Essentially any author will get covered, and they well in general not be covered objectively. The books are furthermore insignificant--Worldcat shows at total of les then 80 holdings for all of them together, and this is a genre where significant books are in many hundreds of libraries. DGG ( talk ) 05:20, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Just for the record, I called that profile in the local paper a profile - not a "review," I try to be careful about that distinction. Sources I and others found on Peterson comprise a handful of feature stories/profiles in local newspapers, although the Oakland Tribune is a major daily and since he lives on the coast, given the scale of California and that bear of a drive from Oakland to Seaside it's not a local paper. He also has a couple of very minor prizes, one is very local. The thing that did catch my attention are the two articles on his book sales, in MarketWatch and the Wall Street Journal where he is described as an early example of strong digital sales with his thriller "Option to Kill." Libraries may not have bought it, but 70,000 copies is not nothing. I hope an editor or 2 who regularly look at author notability will take a look at this (at best) marginally notable paperback writer; despite the excessive length of this page (largely my fault) the facts here are pretty simple. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 12:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete. I came here to close this, but I can't, so I'll throw in my two cents. The article reads like a promotional blurb, especially given the repeated use of the author's first name. AfD isn't cleanup, but this usage suggests problems. Stuff like this is cringe-worthy: "While on his book signing tour, Andrew took time to visit VA hospitals and sit with USA military veterans. He gave away hundreds of books." I agree with DGG that the coverage is local in nature; there is no indication of broader notability. If you strip away the marketing fluff there's probably not much left. Mackensen (talk) 02:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete and I've been planning to comment; none of this is sufficiently convincing especially since the links above, as shown, are not substantial; and also the nomination has clearly insinuated and shown why this is still not going to be enough. SwisterTwister talk 05:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was no consensus. North America 1000 14:13, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Does not appear to meet any of the BLP notability criteria even after a Google search. The article does not contain any claims to importance or significance, and I do not recall state Appeal Court judges as being inherently notable. The sources provided are routine mentions and are not in-depth media coverage. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 05:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Johnpacklambert, please provide a link to where that is cxlearly stated, becaus I searched for one and couldn't find such a special exception, and otherwise your vote is invalid. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:31, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • These are not in-depth sources: links #1 and #3 are about the judge's cases. The cases may be notable, but that's WP:ROUTINE coverage associated with a judge's job. As in: "Judge Kate Toomey's decision goes against two Utah-based cab companies' assertion in a lawsuit that HB104 prohibits Salt Lake City International Airport from imposing age and mileage requirements on ground transportation vehicles." This is about the case, not the subject of the article under discussion. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • DeleteI don't think that a State Appeals Court judge is automatically excluded or included by WP:NPOL and notability should be determined by secondary coverage. I don't believe there is sufficient secondary coverage. The sources cited above are mostly reporting on judicial cases that mention her rulings. There is little coverage of her as a judge, beyond one press-release type article on her appointment. MB 19:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep She is a high-level politician as being part of the Utah Court of Appeals. I added additional information to the article. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 17:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep I find it interesting that those who do not understand the court system in the United States would vote to delete the page. The Utah Court of Appeals is the second highest court in Utah. The judges appointed to the court are key persons in the legal community. In addition, most appellate courts in other states have pages for their judges. These judges influence the law and issue opinions every year that are key. For these reasons, the page should not be deleted. Jurisdicta ( talk) 05:07, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was Keep as no one has suggested deletion by all means at all, after 2 weeks, so this can be kept and subsequently suggested if any other changes are needed, although I will note it is common for these subjects to stay (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 05:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Hakka Americans

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    This article was created by the same user who created the recent Hokkien and Hoklo Americans article. Searching on Google Books I found no results on "Hakka Americans". There are information about Chinese Americans who speaks Hakka, but on the concept of Hakka Americans itself, I can't find any English language sources to support this. Balthazarduju ( talk) 19:16, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Google results: a Facebook page on an association on "Hakka Americans", a book on Hakka cuisine in North America describes the author as "Hakka-American", an article mentioning "Hakka americans", articles of Hakka Affairs Council, Taiwan, on "Hakka-American", "客裔美國人", "美國的客家人", "旅美客家人" and "美國客家", 美國客家人. There are also America Hakka Center, Hakka Association for Public Affairs in North America and various Hakka Associations in American cities.
    WP:GNG: "Sources do not have to be available online or written in English". Lysimachi ( talk) 21:34, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    One line in a web page about this cookbook [15], a mention in a blog [16], Facebook page called "Hakka Association of Houston"?-- Balthazarduju ( talk) 23:17, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    These links (" America Hakka Center, Hakka Association for Public Affairs in North America and various Hakka Associations in American cities") with information about "Taiwan Hakka" or "Taiwanese Hakka" that are in the United States, does not support creating an article called "Hakka Americans".-- Balthazarduju ( talk) 23:17, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Your concerns about the title are entirely valid, however that's not for AFD, it's a requested moves discussion. Thus I recommend this afd be speedily closed (please don't count this a separate vote)-- Prisencolin ( talk) 04:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Keep, as with the Hoklo American page (I am the creator of both), there are sources just not anything titled as "Hakka Americans". There is also the history of Hakkas in Hawaii that should be noted.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 22:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Comment - Probably better to open up a WP:RM rather than deleting the article entirely. Meatsgains ( talk) 14:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment Are there actually any scholarly works about "Hakka Americans"? Note that it is quite easy to create pages about the intersection of ethnicity and nationality but there needs to be some scholarly work about it. I am struggling to find it here. I personally think this should be merged into a suitable page, but which one, we need to decide. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 00:38, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I think the comment by MSJapan ( diff) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hokkien and Hoklo Americans is relevant here as well. I see a lot of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. For example if we consider this During the 1960s and 1970s, substantial migration of Jamaican Hakkas to the USA and Canada occurred. [1] Most Chinese Jamaicans are Hakka; they have a long history in Jamaica. Between 1845 and 1884, nearly 5000 Hakkas arrived in Jamaica in three major voyages. The Hakkas seized the opportunity to venture into a new land, embracing the language, customs, and culture. The reference says Chinese Jamaicans migrated to Canada. It also says that many Chinese Jamaicans were of Hakka descent. However, it doesn't say substantial migration of Jamaican Hakkas to the USA and Canada occurred. This is WP:SYNTH. I am leaning towards a delete now as I couldn't find scholarly works on "Hakka Americans". If there are no such works, this is almost entirely original research. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 04:48, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    References

    1. ^ [1] Archived March 16, 2014, at the Wayback Machine
    • Note that juxtaposition is WP:NOTSYNTHESIS. Also, there don't need to any scholarly works specifically about this subject if there are many abou Asian Americans and Hakka diaspora, both of which mention this subject.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 06:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep. On the comments of Lemongirl942: 1. If you think some texts are questionable, you could add a citation needed tag. That some parts of an article seems to be OR doesn't mean the topic itself is OR. 2. I checked the reasons for deletion at WP:DP and couldn't find one that requires scholarly works. 3. There are works on this topic, such as this one, even conferences on Hakka diaspora with talks focusing on America. 4. This is not WP:SYNTH. The concept of Hakka Americans can be found in the sources listed in the above discussion. Lysimachi ( talk) 09:00, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    1. Per WP:NOTNEO No scholarly work even uses the term "Hakka American". When we have intersections such as these, we need reliable sources to back it up - and we need reliable sources to address the exact topic directly and in detail.
    2. Nobody seems to have actually defined the term "Hakka American". There needs to be at least one definition in a reliable source. I cannot find any. Without such a definition, this would be WP:OR and a shaky foundation for the article.
    3. I also see this as a "kind of" POV Fork (and that too a WP:FRINGE one) from Chinese Americans (although to clarify, the content is not NPOV). Chinese Americans refers to Americans of Chinese ancestry (regardless of the nation of origin - this includes Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc). Hakka Americans are part of it. I see no reason why this shouldn't be covered in that article.
    4. I do not see sources specifically distinguishing between Chinese Americans and Hakka Americans. Hakka Americans are also ethnically Chinese Americans. I have yet to see someone who claims to be Hakka and yet they claim to be not ethnic Chinese.
    5. Whether an ethnic identity of "Hakka Americans" exists is questionable. I do not see any scholarly works showing evidence of a sense of distinct identity among "Hakka Americans" - to be honest, I have never heard of Americans self identifying as Hakka Americans. (You can contrast this with Singapore, where Hokkien and Teochew people often identify with their dialect. They are still classified as Chinese Singaporeans).
    6. I am also concerned with the factual accuracy of the article. Anya Ayoung-Chee is part of the list, although no reliable source says she is Hakka American. This is essentially original research.
    7. There is a lot of WP:SYNTH and WP:COATRACK in the article. For example, "During the 1960s and 1970s, substantial migration of Jamaican Hakkas to the USA and Canada occurred." is not supported by the source. The rest is plain coatrack.
    8. Overall, the sources do not address the topic at all and this is not encyclopaedic. Redirect or delete, either is fine with me. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 11:14, 10 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    There is definitely a distinct Hakka identity in Mainland China and Taiwan, although in some parts of the world they become assimilated into the general Chinese community. Global Hakka: Hakka Identity in the Remaking is apparently a whole book about the Hakka diaspora. I don't have access to the whole book but there is a listing from United States in the Index.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 01:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    Comment I've temporarily renamed the page in recognition of WP:NEOLOGISM concerns.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 01:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Chinese ethnic groups: "The major minority ethnic groups in China are Zhuang (16.9 million), Uyghur (11.5 million), Hui (10.5 million), Manchu (10.3 million), Miao (9.4 million), Yi (8.7 million), Tujia (8.3 million), Tibetan (6.2 million), Mongol (5.9 million), Dong (2.8 million), Buyei (2.8 million), Yao (2.7 million), Bai (1.9 million), Korean (1.8 million), Hani (1.6 million), Li (1.4 million), Kazakh (1.4 million), and Dai (1.2 million)." So Tibetan Americans, Manchu Americans, Kazakh Americans, Korean Americans... should all be merged to [[Chinese ethnic groups in the United States]]?? Lysimachi ( talk) 16:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    It would cover the ethnic diversity of Chinese Americans, as defined in that article.-- Pharos ( talk) 16:41, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Merge to Taiwanese Americans. FYI I posted the same rationale to the current AFD for Hokkien_and_Hoklo_Americans. The few academic sources I found that specifically mention Hoklo and Hakka immigrants in the U.S. all said that in Taiwan and in the US, the Hoklo and the Hakka self-identify as "native Taiwanese". For example, this 2006 journal article by Christine Avenarius, who seems to be an authority on the topic, was the most in-depth coverage I found on Taiwanese subethnic groups in the US, and according to Avenarius (with my emphasis):

      "Immigrants interviewed for this research were...able to identify who was Hoklo, Hakka or a Mainlander among the members of their social networks. However, in their comments on social life in Taiwan and California in general, all informants grouped Hoklo and Hakka people together, referring to them as native Taiwanese (bendiren)...Given the small number of Hakka informants in the sample and the common practice of all immigrants from Taiwan to group both Hoklo and Hakka together under the label 'native Taiwanese' (bendiren) as introduced above, I aggregated Hoklo and Hakka informants in the analysis."

    Relevant quotes from other academic sources
    • Lien, Pei-te (November 2008), "Homeland origins and political identities among Chinese in Southern California", Ethnic and Racial Studies, 31 (8): 13811403, doi: 10.1080/01419870701682253
      • That the nature of ethnic identity is fluid and multi-layered is observed by anthropologist Franklin Ng (1998, p. 118) who comments that, like Chinese from elsewhere, migrants and their descents from Taiwan can consider themselves as Taiwanese American, Chinese American, Asian American or American, and the identity choices depend on the situation, the community and the individuals involved.
      • Despite the improvement over previous means, this categorization scheme is not able to capture the full spectrum of the nuanced effect of homeland socialization context because of the lack of a measure of parental lineage and their time of entry to Taiwan. In contemporary Taiwan, those who were born in Taiwan but with parents born in China were considered ‘mainlanders’ and they tend to identify themselves ethnically as Chinese rather than Taiwanese, an orientation that has been observed to be different from that of other Taiwan natives whose parents were born in Taiwan. However, research on public opinion in Taiwan shows that it would be a mistake to treat the two groups of Taiwan natives [Hoklo and Hakka] as completely distinct in their orientation on the independence issue and their socialization experiences.
    • Ma, Laurence J. C.; Cartier, Carolyn L. (2003), The Chinese Diaspora: Space, Place, Mobility, and Identity, Rowman & Littlefield, ISBN  9780742517561
      • The Hoklo speak Min-nan hua, or Southern Min, the same dialect still found in Fujian, but typically referred to in Taiwan today as (imprecisely) the 'Taiwanese' dialect or language...For the sake of simplicity, and for political differentiation, the Hakka and Hoklo have been lumped together in post-1945 Taiwan as the collective 'Taiwanese.' to distinguish them as the 'native' Chinese of Taiwan as opposed to the more recent Han Chinese immigrants (the 'mainlanders') of the postwar era. This classification of the 'Taiwanese,' which has both ethnic and political overtones, was a creation o the mainlander-run ROC government, but was accepted and even embraced by most Hakka/Hoklo Taiwanese in the harsh political climate of post-1945 Taiwan. (p.165-166)
    I can't find enough coverage that's actually on this topic to be able to write an article without original research/synthesis. Reliable sources don't use the term Hakka to describe Taiwanese immigrants in the US and members of that ethnic group don't use it about themselves, so doesn't make sense to use that article title. The article that already exists, "Taiwanese Americans", seems to be the common name. —PermStrump (talk) 09:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Jamaica is also a major source of Hakka immigration to the US. Finding Samuel Lowe is a book about a Jamaican Hakka immigrant, written by his descendant, Paula Madison.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 16:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @Permstrump: There are Taiwanese Hakka Americans and Chinese Hakka Americans. How can Hakka Americans simply be merged into Taiwanese Americans? Lysimachi ( talk) 22:24, 12 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ Lysimachi: Gotcha. All of the academic sources I found were talking about Taiwanese Americans that mentioned Hakka/Hoklo, but what Lemongirl942 said below helped me see the big picture. —PermStrump (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment on Original Research: We need reliable independent sources. The source from the Hakka Affairs Council cannot be considered independent. This is the reason why scholarly sources are preferred: they have undergone peer review. Another important thing is WP:ENN. We don't have article simply because some people may identity as a Hakka culture. The reason why this article is OR is because it is trying to classify distinct groups of people - "Chinese Jamaicans who emigrated to US". "Taiwanese who emigrated to US", "PRC Chinese who emigrated to US" all under the umbrella of "Hakka Americans". This is something which we are not supposed to do unless an existing work has done it and this has found reasonable acceptance. For example, existing sources talk separately about Chinese Jamaicans (and talk about Hakka ancestry within this context), Taiwanese Americans (and talk about Hakka ancestry within this context), Americans from PR China (and talk about people with Hakka culture). But they do not string them together and there is no talk about a unified Hakka American identity. Until such a time arrives, Chinese Jamaicans of Hakka descent are to be covered within Chinese Jamaicans (and so on for the other articles). -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 08:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The index of Global Hakka: Hakka Identity in the Remaking lists all of the major nationalities of Hakka overseas, including the United States. I don't think there should be any question anymore that the premise of the article itself is purely original research.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 21:23, 14 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Comment Chinese Americans are "Americans who have full or partial Chinese ancestry" (from the article lead). Intervening political labels do not change ancestry. The lead goes on to state their ancestors may be from Taiwan and other places. The article is very inclusive. MB 01:46, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • 1. WP:WINARS: "Wikipedia is not a reliable source." You can't cite Wikipedia article as sources. 2. Does the article Chinese Americans define "Chinese ancestry"? Does it say all Taiwanese Americans are Chinese Americans? 3. As long as Chinese is used as a political label, you can't disregard the political boundaries. 4. To use Chinese Americans in a "very inclusive" way is your POV. Putting all Hakka Americans under Chinese Americans is contentious and violates WP:NPOV: "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV)." Lysimachi ( talk) 08:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • 1. I was not citing WP as a source, I was stating what the article is about/why it is an appropriate redirect. 2. Yes it does; why don't you read the article before commenting. 3. You can disregard political boundaries if you are just talking about ethnicity. 4. I didn't use Chinese Americans in a "very inclusive" way, I said that the article Chinese Americans was inclusive - it is about about all Americans with Chinese ancestry. It is neutral to look at ancestry without regard to politics. If you think that Taiwanese people do not have Chinese ancestry (except for the indigenous islanders), then you don't have a NPOV. MB 13:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    2. So please tell us what is the definition of "Chinese ancestry"? 3. You can't disregard it, because "Chinese" refers to China. Lysimachi ( talk) 12:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    At the very least, there is enough information here, as well as more that will be added later, that would justify a standalone article. A merger into the Chinese Americans would create undue weight on the latter. There's this impression that there is a single Chinese culture that is uniform across all of its people, but this is simply not true. There is an acknowledged distinction between northern and southern cultures, but it is often downplayed for various reasons. Technically yes, all Taiwanese Han people have ancestors that originated from areas currently in the PRC, even the aborigines are thought to have come from the Chinese Mainland, you are conflating "Han" for "Chinese" which leads to some problems. However, the differences are numerous, and that's why we should have separate pages for these two. Also note that many more sources are likely located WP:OFFLINE and are WP:FOREIGNSOURCES-- Prisencolin ( talk) 16:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    The problem is the synth. The Chinese Jamaicans who emigrated to US later as considered as "Chinese Jamaicans" - they are not considered as "Hakka Americans". Unless an external source talks about "Hakka Americans" and then says "Chinese Jamaicans" are also included in it, we should not include it here. This is the problem. When you create an article called "Hakka American" it becomes an identity - and for this we need multiple reliable sources to actually show it. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 08:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    "When you create an article called "Hakka American" it becomes an identity" Is it stated in any WP policy? Lysimachi ( talk) 12:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Huh? Did you even comprehend what I said? -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 14:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Is there any WP policy that supports "When you create an article called "Hakka American" it becomes an identity"? Lysimachi ( talk) 16:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Are you saying that Hakka American is not an identity? -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 16:23, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    No, I am asking if there is any WP policy that supports your statement. Lysimachi ( talk) 23:15, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    My statement was a pretty basic one and it isn't a policy. I'm not convinced that you actually understand Wikipedia policies and guidelines as you were recently blocked for edit warring despite multiple warnings to make you understand. I suggest you take some time to actually understand how Wikipedia works. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 23:39, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    So it's not supported by any policy or guideline? Great, thanks for answering. Lysimachi ( talk) 08:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Lysimachi, would you support me moving the article back to "Hakka people in the United States". It really doesn't seem like the phrase "Hakka Americans" is in widespread usage.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 18:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    No, Prisencolin, because "Hakka American" is in use while there are only four Google search results for "Hakka people in the United States", all from WP, and because the former is the way different groups of people in the USA are named on WP. Lysimachi ( talk) 23:15, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I'm sorry to say this but this is a WP:CIR case. You arguments don't make sense at all. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 09:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Redirect to Chinese Americans. After following the discussion above I'm of the opinion that without impermissible synthesis there is nothing on this subject to use for an article that reliable sources would support. Certainly there are Americans of Hakka descent, but an article at this point would be at the vanguard of recognizing this group. That is not our role. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 14:24, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Sorry to be blunt, but that's just not true at all. Basically all the sources the sources do explicitly acknowledge the existence of Hakka people in the US. There's even a reliable source estimating that there are over 20,000 Hakka in America. Let's not get this confused the the Hoklo and Hokkien people debate, which I'll admit pushes WP:SYNTH a bit to make some of its points. This article, however, does not.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 05:35, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
      • There are Hakka Americans of Taiwanese origin. Redirect to Chinese Americans violates WP:NPOV. Also, there's nothing that needs to be "recognized" by this article, which is not even a function of WP, the concept exists and there are people who identify with it. Lysimachi ( talk) 18:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Chinese Americans refers to people of Chinese ethnicity and not solely Chinese nationality. That's the scope of the article. None of that violates NPOV.-- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 05:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    "Chinese ethnicity" is a very broad construct that does have many common features but the various sub-ethnicities, especially Hakka, are distinct enough to warrant a separate article in this case.-- Prisencolin ( talk) 15:39, 30 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Sutal Awards

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    Could not find a single reliable source in the article's references. Article does not seem to meet WP:GNG Aust331 ( talk) 01:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    WiseMapping

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    Searches are simply finding mentions and there's simply nothing overall actually convincing for substance. I was actually PRODing when I noticed the 1st PROD (this was actually restored after the apparent PROD contesting). SwisterTwister talk 18:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. The editors advocating deletion had the better of the policy argument here, as the subject does not meet the project guideline WP:SOLDIER and lacks independent coverage that suggests notability. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 13:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Roy Baker-Falkner

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    Fails WP:SOLDIER. Is an entry in peerage enough to make him notable? Otherwise there is nothing to indicate notability Gbawden ( talk) 09:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Thank you for taking an interest in this article, Gbawden. No, definitely a mention in 'The peerage' alone does not indicate notability. It was the only source I could find for some of his biographical details, but your comments made me dig deeper and I have now replaced it with the more detailed information of Veteran Affairs Canada. Notability in this case is based on his important role in Operation Tungsten, the decorations he received and the fact that he was mentioned in dispatches. The other sources listed relate to this. I think that puts it more or less is in line with WP:SOLDIER but I'd be interested to hear your views on this. Nl maclean ( talk) 16:14, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    *Keep Reliable sources indicate subject was "mentioned in dispatches" which seems to pass WP:SOLDIER. Chris Troutman ( talk) 23:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Comment. Mystified as to why editors seem to think a mention in despatches makes him pass WP:SOLDIER. It's the lowest possible British award, which doesn't even qualify as a medal. Both his DSO and DSC are considerably higher, and neither of those would qualify under WP:SOLDIER either (as a second- and third-level award respectively). Bizarre reasoning from people who clearly don't understand how British honours work. He would need a DSO and bar (or at a pinch a DSO and a DSC and bar, or a DSC and two bars) to qualify him on awards alone. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
      • I think the 'bizarre reasoning' you mention may have something to do with the wording of WP:SOLDIER: "It is important to note that a person who does not meet these criteria is not necessarily non-notable; ultimately, this determination must be made based on the availability of significant coverage in independent, secondary sources. For example, Teddy Sheean, who received a Mention in Despatches, is notable despite having received a relatively low-level military decoration." People who are not aware that a Mention in Despatches is in fact a decoration in its own right, could read this as meaning that where Wikipedia-notability is concerned, MiD trumps a low-level medal. I know that is how I read it. But thanks for explaining. Nl maclean ( talk) 14:46, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
        • If you don't know what a particular phrase, such as "mentioned in dispatches", means then shouldn't you check before expressing an opinion in a deletion discussion? If people don't do this then the results of discussions will be based on ignorance. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 18:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Weak keep Effectively a DSO and Bar for this chap, although the SOLDIER presumption is fairly weak here, and the MiD is neither here nor there, really. The Google Books search isn't conclusive. BTW, the Sheehan reference in SOLDIER is about someone who meets the GNG without meeting SOLDIER (ie award of the MiD doesn't meet SOLDIER, but Sheehan has significant coverage in reliable sources anyway, so meets the GNG). SOLDIER is an essay, GNG is a guideline. Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 10:54, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep - its weak per PM's post above, but there seems to be enough coverage per WP:GNG to not dynamite this (including the dead tree biography and a few websites). In addition to the Canadian websites the publication of the biography seemed to get some international press coverage, e.g. UK and Malta [18] [19] as examples, it looked like there were others when I searched Google. Anotherclown ( talk) 06:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep - seems rather clear to me that somebody who got a biography written about him is notable. Pen & Sword is not a vanity press. Whether he passes SOLDIER is basically irrelevant - does the subject pass GNG? Obviously. Parsecboy ( talk) 15:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • keep this one is by no means a slam dunk, but this is a real newspaper feature story/interview with the author of the biography and I think it squeaks past. [20]. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 20:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete. The newspaper article linked by E.M.Gregory reveals why there is a biography of the subject even though he was only a lieutenant commander, a mid-ranking officer, with no other apparent significant coverage - the biography was written by his nephew. In the absence of any significant coverage in independent (non-family) reliable sources this is a pretty clear "delete". 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 20:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment -- Indeed, the source linked by E.M.Gregory states:
    • "Now his nephew, Graham Roy Drucker has written his uncle's biography, Wings Over Waves to preserve his memory forever."
    This is not a source independent of the subject, and should be discounted. K.e.coffman ( talk) 05:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    John P. Kealoha

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    This is an unsourced, single line bio with no claim of notability. Paste Let’s have a chat. 08:01, 15 August 2016 (UTC) Paste Let’s have a chat. 08:01, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:19, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Matthias (YouTube personality)

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    No reliable sources that this gentleman is Notable BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 05:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Anna Laura Bryan

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    Bryan is primarily notable for being Miss Alabama. This is basically notability for one event. She was also an advocate for a law allowing children with autism to bring dogs with them to school. However it is hard to say she was as much a driving force behind the law being enacted as the article suggests. I just do not think that this is enough combined to merit an article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was redirect to Miss Alabama. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Meg McGuffin

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    McGuffin is only notable for being Miss Alabama. There is nothing to suggest that this receives wide enough coverage to merit an encyclopedia article. The article is based on extremely local soruces, sources mentioning her winning Miss Auburn University, and even has a picture of an egg mcmuffin because evidently this was her nickname when she was a child. Nothing to suggest more than one event notability. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 12:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    New Entrepreneurs Foundation

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    Masses of refs from their own web-site. Refs from all the start-ups they have helped and refs for key players but I can't see a single ref that gives notability to the organisation. No evidence of any notability. Appears to fail WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   20:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    The Main Level

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    Fails WP:GNG, no albums released, only minor appearances in Norway. Fails WP:BAND as far as I can tell. Telaneo ( User talk page) 00:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:12, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Positive culture

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    I cant make sense of this. References in the article seem to provide no clue what the topic is except that it is something positive. The typical google and academic database searches provide many hits in terms of organizational culture but nothing that approaches the scope of what this article is going for. My only conclusion is that it is WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. It would have to be rewritten from the ground up to relate to organizational culture so I also think WP:TNT applies. Savonneux ( talk) 03:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Port City PD

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    Notability: an unremarkable series & significant RS coverage cannot be found. Previous AfD withdrawn by nominator, but I don't see that the sources are there to sustain an encyclopedia article. K.e.coffman ( talk) 06:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was Keep. Michig ( talk) 07:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Sexuality in Star Trek

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    This article is too far gone to repair. Nominating per WP:TNT so the article can start fresh and actually be a decent article that lives up to the rules we have for new articles today. People have argued in the two past AFDs that the article is bad, but, by keeping it, we can fix it, but no one has actually done that. I think we should TNT it to, as WP:TNT says, help encourage a new article and so people will actually fix it. Gestrid ( talk) 02:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep While I agree there needs to be a massive rewrite, not all of it is bad, and there needs to be recognition of previous contributors since some of this should be kept in a massive rewrite. -- MASEM ( t) 02:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • ( edit conflict) As I said, that argument has been used before in the previous AFDs, and nothing has been done in the eight years since the first AFD or five years since the second one. Nowadays, if someone were to create a new article, we have ways to help keep it from going off the deep end, such as WP:AFC for example. -- Gestrid ( talk) 03:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The thing is, you're arguing for TNT of a topic that is clearly notable (there's at least one published book on this topic), so we have to look at the value of the contributions. If there was no value to any reasonable fraction of the previous edits, TNT makes sense, but reviewing the past history, there was clearly well-intended additions, maybe not all in line with WP:V but are concepts that seem to be appropriate for the article. So deleting that revision history makes no sense. But as pointed out below, perhaps stubbify and having a AFC/Draft-space version worked on that then can be history merged to this is completely in line. But deletion under TNT just doesn't make sense here. -- MASEM ( t) 05:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Well referenced? Did you read it? Is this a parody of a vote? Large parts of this, probably most, are purely OR detailing the minute plot points of whatever episode some fan decided to write about, or extensive citations of this or that actor's comments on their own character. Revent talk 03:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Just to 'quantify' this, for the sake of people who will also not read it, out of five top level sections, not counting the lede, three have absolutely no references. Revent talk 03:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) and Revent: I've gone ahead and marked different sections with both {{ unreferenced}} and {{ refimprove}}, as there are plenty of each. -- Gestrid ( talk) 03:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep - a bold edit to stubiffy would probably go unmolested, particularly if a heads-up gets dropped and supported at the wikiproject talk page. The topic itself is surely notable, and outright deletion seems an inapt approach. I wholeheartedly agree it needs a fresh start; what's necessary isn't wholesale elimination (including edit history, some of which we might want to retain in a new iteration) but rather an editor or two prioritizing not just erasing the content but putting together a framework for improvement. -- EEMIV ( talk) 03:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep WP:TNT is just an essay. The actual policy is WP:IMPERFECT. Andrew D. ( talk) 12:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep because the unreferenced / refimprove sections are mostly, if not all of them, facts. Synopses for episodes are easy to find on the Internet, and over time, if people are willing, will populate those story snippets with references. There are a few in-lines which need their sources a great deal more, but the article doesn't have to be perfect. The sections could do with a little reorganization of structure, and the header could use a brush-up on briefly saying what the article is about, emphasis on briefly. Nevertheless, the article is encyclopedic in nature, informative as it stands, and it appears to be a notable topic with a slew of references. WinterSpw ( talk) 23:48, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep and improve, perfectly salvagable article. Artw ( talk) 01:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep Sadly there is a lot of unloved articles related to Star Trek, and this is one of them. However, a lack of cited information is not reason to delete an article - otherwise we'd have a lot less articles below GA across Wiki than we do now. Completely agree that this needs to be overhauled, but that in itself is by no means unique. Miyagawa ( talk) 17:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was Delete. Michig ( talk) 07:03, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    2016 John F. Kennedy Airport shooting

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    Article created 40 minutes after an event with no indication of notability. Currently, news says there are no injuries and no suspects. Reports say witnesses but no police heard the shots ( [21]). This article violates WP:NOTNEWS and WP:TOOSOON. Zero indication at this point of sustained notability. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Parnia Porsche

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    Non-notable boxer - does not meet WP:NBOX Peter Rehse ( talk) 09:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete Fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. Nothing to show notability as a boxer and coverage is mainly routine sports reporting, from her sponsors, or social media. Mdtemp ( talk) 15:55, 11 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment It's quite clear WP:NBOX is not met. I also don't believe WP:ENTERTAINER, which covers models and celebrities, is met--although some might argue that appearing in Maxim shows/generates notability. My apathy, and hence lack of knowledge, about the entertainment business and pop culture means I don't feel real comfortable voting at this time. If I had to vote, and I don't, I'd be leaning towards delete. Papaursa ( talk) 01:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:29, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Scalable Capital

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    Just like the recently deleted Netwealth, this is a start-up company without reputation or accomplishment. No claim to any notability. Fails WP:CORP. The references are merely publicity, but provide no proof of anything notable other than that the company exists. Article created by SPA, likely to promote it. -- P 1 9 9   ✉ 12:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete -- this appears to a newly launched company / service, seeking attention; sample coverage: "A robo-advisor that claims to have made 12% return over Brexit is expanding. A robo-advisor start-up that automatically allocates your investments and claims to have outperformed the market during the Brexit volatility, has launched in the U.K." ( link). Etc.
    No yet indication of any notability. The only coverage is funding and launch related news. Also appears to be a case of COI/SPA editing. Suggest deleting until (and when) something more substantial can be produced, if at all. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    See the highly related Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Marianneslam/Scalable Capital. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 03:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Prenatal and perinatal psychology. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Reason The article „fetal psychology“ should be deleted. 1. There is an improved and rewritten article „prenatal and perinatal psychology“ which contains useful information of the topic (fetal psychology). 2. The article „fetal psychology“ contains a large passage on the so called "fetal origins hypothesis", which deals almost entirely with physiological aspects – not with psychological aspects. 3. The part on the abuse of prenatal/fetal psychology concerning scientology does not define the field. It also discredits serious scientific work which constitute the scientific basis for assumptions concerning a „fetal psychology“. Mr. bobby ( talk) 15:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Not much. The part on the „Fetal origins hypothesis“ might be useful, but not the findings mentioned here. there is new data on the connection of prenatal stress (of fetus and mother) and the negative outcomes on the baby’s psyche. but this is not worked out here. the rest (hemingway, hubbard) are anecdotes. overall, the article is useless. Mr. bobby ( talk) 18:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I see. Well, some folks may call for a 'selective merge' (as we call it here) for parts that are judged relevant. As you've nominated it for outright deletion, what's to be potentially preserved may become part of the discussion here. We'll see. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Miss Kansas USA. Sam Walton ( talk) 10:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Nothing she has done comes even marginally close to making her notable other than winning Miss Kansas USA, and that is not enough of its own to make someone notable. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 05:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was move to draftspace. ( Soft delete, minding low participation.) @ LionFosset, please continue to improve the article with new reliable sources here—if the artist continues to receive coverage, we can eventually move back to mainspace. czar 03:05, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The only actual source is ref 15. Otherwise we have the promotional interview in ref 3, whose preface claims he's important because he's had work "commissioned work from the Criterion Collection and the British Film Institute"-- Everything else is either a links to his own work, or the refs from 9 thru 14, cited to show that other people also produce video essays on film. DGG ( talk ) 22:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep: Video essays are becoming more and more significant as a new form of criticism and analysis for film and television critics, which is why I created an article about one of the more notable video essayists in the filmmaking community other than Kevin B. Lee, :: kogonada. If I were to create an article about Nelson Carvajal, I might understand contentions of notability, but :: kogonada being praised in the New Yorker by Hilton Als and invited to be part of the jury for the 16th LPA Film Festival (which I admit were only added after this nomination) is not nothing. I'll improve the article and its references, but if you, as well as others, still couldn't find notability for this person, then I respect that, being much more learned than I am about these types of processes and regulations. LionFosset ( talk) 03:36, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    The New Yorker item is a single paragraph in an article about "10 best of the Year", an wide ranging survey of theater and other arts. IUts a very impressive paragraph indeed, nonetheless. The Festival is I think a relatively minor one. See what more you can find. (The article would read less promotional if it were not constructed as a string of quotes, and I'd list notable works of his in a separate section to avoid confusion with the references.) DGG ( talk ) 00:46, 27 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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    Thanks to whoever took the time, but I'd prefer not to have a wiki page. All the best, K — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.138.114 ( talk) 13:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    If :: kogonada says it to be so, then okay, this article can be deleted. Apologies, :: kogonada, if this isn't an article that was necessary and appropriate to create considering your anonymous identity. I merely wanted to add knowledge to Wikipedia about what I think is becoming a large, important, and essential trend for the filmmaking community: video essays. Thank you for understanding. LionFosset ( talk) 15:24, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    If the film Columbus [1] reaches popular acclaim, this page will likely be recreated regardless of :: kogonada's objections, simply from the fascination with someone who chooses to be anonymous yet work with well known actors such as John Cho and Michael Cera. Unless anyone can request a page being removed no matter how notable they are, it seems like it is better to have a passionate editor like LionFosset create the page, rather than whoever comes next. Note that I'm not saying we should ignore :: kogonada's wishes, but if Wikipedia will ignore his wishes later, it is better to keep the page and the work that has already been done. Jason Tracy ( talk) 18:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    1. ^ http://www.therepublic.com/2016/08/04/new-columbus-movie-makes-architecture-a-character-in-the-film
    • My personal preference is that we should keep the page, but simply put "At the request of :: kogonada, a full Wikipedia page will not be created." along with a very brief summary. Jason Tracy ( talk) 18:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was Keep. Arguments that provide evidence that the subject is notable carry more weight than those that argue that her status doesn't necessarily make her notable, and consensus has formed that the GNG is met. Michig ( talk) 06:50, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Matilda Amissah-Arthur

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    Spouse of a president or other head of state is usually notable -- but she's the spouse of vice present. The refs are not substantial. DGG ( talk ) 01:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep There are plenty of sources that cover this person primarily and in-depth (such as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) and this person definitely passes WP:GNG. Sure, being married or related to someone that is notable, in itself, does not establish notability for that person automatically. However, this article subject clearly has significant references and coverage to establish notability. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 23:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Scallie

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    Non encyclopedic -essentially an expanded (and inaccurate) dictionary definition. Self-contradictory, with a not particularly separately notable subject. (Oh, and misspelled.....) Anmccaff ( talk) 18:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete – Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking and creative bending of history by editor(s) of this page: By the 1980s, the 'Liverpool look' (it was rarely called scally back then) went overground… Seriously? And even if it's a legitimate term today, WP:TOOSOON to get an article beyond dicdef. The fad may be gone already. Or revert to the 2004 version, which was at least entertaining: Scally is a slang term, usually used in Merseyside, to describe Jobless Yobs, who have little or no education, and have committed some type of crime. The typical Scally dresses in Tracksuit bottoms, wears a certain type of trainer or boot, and wears a baseball cap. The term can refer to any type of lowlife, and can include gang members in other parts of Britain. […] Other terms for Scallies are Chavs, Kappa Slappers, Neds, Townies, Kevs, Charvers, Steeks, Spides, Bazzas, Yarcos, Ratboys, Skangers, Scutters, Janners, Stigs, Scallies, Hood Rats. There is an entire website dedicated to these maggots of society (chavscum website) — JFG talk 03:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was no consensus, the voters failed to agree whether existing coverage can be classified as routine.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Clarizen

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    Notability: significant RS coverage cannot be found; advertorial content. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:08, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Delete and I would've suggested PROD instead also, if not for the 1st AfD thus it's not a choice; none of this is actually convincing and there's essentially nothing else for substance so delete by all means. SwisterTwister talk 02:53, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    (Don't be misled by the "routine"-sounding title of this Forbes article. The article provides significant coverage about the company; only the first paragraph focuses upon funding. The additional five paragraphs do not.)
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    • Comment: The coverage is still all typical PR-driven industry press, such as:
    • IDF news service: "Starting this week, Clarizen is dangling a potentially tempting new carrot -- big discounts for Project customers who switch. "Microsoft Project may be a great tool for some people. But for most people, it's just not," said Eran Aloni, vice president of product marketing."
    • CNet: "Clarizen this week announced that it launched version 3.0 of its online project management tool. Clarizen 3.0 adds a variety of new features, including the option to manage business issues, track expenses, and view Gantt charts."
    • "Today's project teams have to be mobile whether they know it or not when you factor in telecommuting, off hours technical issues, and every team member seems to be on their own schedule. Recently, Clarizen, an Israel-based project management platform provider launched their new Clarizen Mobile app ( iPhone/Android) as part of their Winter 2015 release."
    • PC World: product review
    • "The Clarizen thesis is actually pretty sound – the idea being that when you integrate social engagement across project planning and management tools, you gain more efficiency than would have been seen in the old paradigm where email was the de facto communication channel."
    I admit that the coverage is better than some, and it's available across a reasonably wide timespan. But this still feels like a "product / company directory" material, vs an encyclopedia article. We don't have any coverage beyond product news. K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I had also examined these and they were simply not the needed substance; as with my nomination, this is all still based top closely with the usual, expected and trivial coverage. SwisterTwister talk 03:12, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
      1. Shamah, David (2011-04-12). "Stellar Startups: An Israeli flag in the cloud". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 2016-08-24. Retrieved 2016-08-24.

        The article notes:

        Established in Hod Hasharon in 2007 (on the basis of a previously existing Israeli startup), Clarizen has gone on to become a real phenomenon. The company has sales offices in California (development is still done in Israel), and it has become of the most successful Israeli startups in recent years.

        Clarizen has won numerous awards, most recently a “Codie” (issued by the Software and Information Industry Association for excellence in software development within the software industry) in 2010. And it has been a big hit with businesses throughout the world.

        This is a review of the company. David Shamah is a Jerusalem Post staff writer.
      2. Grady, Barbara (2007-08-10). "Clarizen launches San Mateo operations". San Mateo County Times. Archived from the original on 2016-08-24. Retrieved 2016-08-24.

        The article notes:

        Avi Nowogrodski launched his software company in 2005 in Tel Aviv, Israel, which he called "the Silicon Valley of the Middle East" and where software engineers are plenty and his heart belongs.

        But Thursday, Nowogrodski's firm, Clarizen Inc., began its first day in its new headquarters in San Mateo.

        ...

        Clarizen's Web-based software, Project Management 2.0, is used by companies that want numerous and often geographically separated people to collaborate on a project. Since it is hosted on the Web, people can tap into it from wherever they are with the proper security codes.

        The software already has 800 customers and 2,500 users — and it hasn't yet been formally released. Two months ago Clarizen released a beta version to test, and three weeks ago the company started taking sales orders for the formal release. He said 30 customers already put in orders.

      3. The sources listed by Northamerica1000 ( talk · contribs) such as the ABC News article. I consider coverage of a company's product to be about the company itself and contributing to notability.
      There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Clarizen to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

      Cunard ( talk) 06:38, 24 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    This is still hardly enough as there has been analysis, as it is, of the sources listed above, and these two, while third-party and from known news sources, are still essentially still summarizing what the company is about. We cannot simply improve and keep alone from these 2 sources. SwisterTwister talk 06:48, 24 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment -- the above coverage is not sufficient either. Jerusalem Post article is local coverage; it's an article based on the interview with the founder, so not entirely independent. San Mateo New is routine local coverage about a company office opening. This confirms that the company exists, but is hardly sufficient for notability. K.e.coffman ( talk) 22:18, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete. I see all the sources as being overly contaminated with press release material. Tho the Jerusalem Post is a paper of international importance, even it can still cover local companies in a promotional manner. DGG ( talk ) 21:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Delete. This is a situation where there are sources, and I can't be too upset if the decision goes the other way. However, I end up in the delete camp because I agree the sourcing really is just reconstituted press release material that is of little use in building a substantive article. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 13:43, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    The Little, Brown Book Group (which published the book A Brief Guide to Cloud Computing), ABC News, CNET, TechRepublic, The Jerusalem Post, and San Mateo County Times all provide significant coverage of the subject. I don't think it is fair to say they are all "just reconstituted press release material that is of little use in building a substantive article". They provide many facts about the company's history that could be used to write a good encyclopedia article.

    Cunard ( talk) 18:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Yes, exactly....information such as their offered services, where their company locations and offices are located , awards and information about its clients and customers. Only other clients and investors want to know about this. SwisterTwister talk 18:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    What information do you expect in a company article?

    The sources Northamerica1000 ( talk · contribs) and I provided here establish that:

    1. Avinoam Nowogrodski is the co-founder and CEO of Clarizen. ( source)
    2. Clarizen's customers in 2011 included NASA, Hertz, Lenovo, Fujitsu, UPS, GE Healthcare and NBC. ( source)
    3. Clarizen was established in Hod Hasharon, Israel, in 2007. ( source)
    4. Clarizen is based on a previously existing Israeli startup. ( source)
    5. Clarizen won the Software and Information Industry Association's Codie award in 2010. ( source)
    6. Clarizen moved its headquarters to San Mateo, California, in 2007. ( source)
    7. The company moved from Israel to California because most of the company's customers are based in the United States. ( source)
    8. In 2007, Clarizen's Web-based software, Project Management 2.0, had 800 customers and 2,500 users. ( source)
    9. In August 2007, Clarizen had 50 employees in Israel and six in San Mateo. ( source)
    10. "Clarizen offers a SaaS project-management application that can be collaboratively used to manage anything from one-off projects to resources, timesheets, budgets, or expenses. The application displays a linear timeline or 'roadmap' of each project with project progress and projected completion dates." ( book source)
    11. In 2014, the company had a $35 million venture funding round led by Goldman Sachs. ( source)
    12. By 2014, the company had raised $90 million. ( source)
    13. In 2014, the company had 120 employees. ( source)
    14. In 2014, the company had over 2,000 customers in 76 countries, including Electronic Arts and Sony. ( source)
    Some of this information is already in the Wikipedia article. The facts about the company's history I have provided here contradict Xymmax's assertion that the sources are "little use in building a substantive article".

    Cunard ( talk) 21:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply

  • Avinoam Nowogrodski is the co-founder and CEO of Clarizen. ( source)
    • Routine coverage and a non-notable individual (no article). K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Clarizen's customers in 2011 included NASA, Hertz, Lenovo, Fujitsu, UPS, GE Healthcare and NBC. ( source)
    • According to the company: "Although most of Clarizen’s clients are smaller, Nowogrodski says, “we have a good number of larger companies that based their management systems on Clarizen as well. We have about 200 new companies joining us every day.” Followed by: "Indeed, the roster of companies big and small companies that use Clarizen for some or all of their projects is quite impressive, and it includes NASA, Hertz, Lenovo, Fujitsu, UPS, GE Healthcare and NBC, to mention a few." K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Clarizen was established in Hod Hasharon, Israel, in 2007. ( source)
    • Routine coverage. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Clarizen is based on a previously existing Israeli startup. ( source)
    • So? K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Clarizen won the Software and Information Industry Association's Codie award in 2010. ( source)
    • Industry award. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • Clarizen moved its headquarters to San Mateo, California, in 2007. ( source)
    • Routine corporate news. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • The company moved from Israel to California because most of the company's customers are based in the United States. ( source)
    Routine corporate news. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • In 2007, Clarizen's Web-based software, Project Management 2.0, had 800 customers and 2,500 users. ( source)
    • According to the company. Etc. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment -- I added some inline commentary above. This is (mostly) routine corporate news, and does not rise to the level of encyclopedia notability. This all reads like corporate directory, only of interest to a company's prospective customers and investors. Wikipedia is written for general audience, and I don't see any content above that would be interesting or important to the general audience. The company exists, it has customers and investors, and it's developing a product. That's all routine information which is available on the company's website. A wiki article is not required; also see WP:WEBHOST. K.e.coffman ( talk) 21:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment -- my general approach is to assess whether a Wiki article provides information that cannot be found on the company website. In the case of the information above, all of this (customers, office moves, the name of the CEO, funding rounds) can be found on Clarizen's website and an encyclopedia article is redundant, or, worse, serves as a promotional vehicle. In general, small private companies tend to be non-notable (by encyclopedia standards) unless they have invented a new market, have a cult following for their products, have been involved in a major scandal or are preparing for an IPO (but by this point, they are probably not small). Hope this helps clarify my position. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Although I appreciate the user's considerations of GNG, I wonder if they actually took to mind the comments that analyzed those exact sources, shoeing they were in fact simply PR. SwisterTwister talk 01:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Greater Toledo Inline Hockey League

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    Non-notable localized junior hockey league that fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Might be speedable as it doesnt even bother to claim notability, simply one of the "best" in the state for a very minor sport. Prevan ( talk) 20:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was no consensus. No consensus has arisen at this time. Perhaps this should be revisited in a few months to determine if the event has received ongoing coverage and analysis as per WP:SUSTAINED, or conversely, if a lack of said ongoing coverage and analysis is evident, then WP:NOTNEWS is applicable. North America 1000 17:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Just another shooting with a few casualties that violates WP:NOTNEWS. Prevan ( talk) 02:38, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    • Delete - I fail to see the notability of this incident. Parsley Man ( talk) 18:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • A deranged individual got his hands on a gun and went on a shooting rampage - an all-too-common headline. He had a motive, there was a trial, discussion of the victims' lives, mourning, official statements, reconstruction of the massacre. Tragic, no doubt. But as cynical as it sounds, there really is no indication of the sort of enduring notability needed to pass WP:NOTNEWS. Thus, delete. GAB gab 01:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Note that Beejsterb is the creator of this article. Parsley Man ( talk) 03:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Comment - a) there is no enduring coverage to surpass the NOTNEWS benchmark b) what exactly are those aftereffects? I'm seeing none to speak of c) WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GAB gab 01:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was no consensus. North America 1000 18:00, 25 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Small community radio station. PROD was removed by creator but no external references have subsequently been provided. Searches reveal no good refs to notability. Fails WP:GNG   Velella   Velella Talk   09:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Plenty references by the organizations that issue licenses and operate the station's broadcasting was included in the article. Also, relevant online media, such as website has been included. Reference to license number and actual existence included in the article. This article will grow as more information becomes available, such as listenership figures etc. Unless Velella lives in the area, it's a bit pre-mature to assume that the station is 'small'

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    It is rarely productive to challenge the competence of another editor without very good grounds - such claims can sometimes rebound on the claimant. The range of knowledge and skills possessed by Wikipedia editors can sometimes surprise the inexperienced. However this demonstrates the geographic area covered - which is small. The lack of any mention of radiated power, the lack of inclusion of this station in any of the standard listings of Radio stations in South Africa and its designation as a Community radio all suggest the correct epithet is "very small" . I erred on the side of caution and opted for "small". And do I know the area ? Yes I do.  Velella   Velella Talk   12:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • The base notability claims that a radio station has to meet to pass WP:NMEDIA are that it is reliably sourceable as (a) having a broadcast license from the appropriate regulatory authority, and (b) originating at least some of its own programming in its own independent studios rather than operating as a pure rebroadcaster of another station. The size of the station's broadcast range is not part of the equation at all. This definitely needs a major quality overhaul, because it's lapsing into advertorial tone and contains entirely too much bad sourcing and entirely unsourced insider baseball, but the base criteria are met — and while the nominator is correct that most of the sourcing here is buffalo chips, Bizcommunity does clear the valid sourcing bar. Creator very likely has a conflict of interest of some kind, but that's not a dealbreaker in and of itself if the problems with the article are repairable. Keep and flag for cleanup. Bearcat ( talk) 19:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    Comment- WP:NMEDIA is only an essay and not policy however, even adopting that as a guideline, what it actually says is " Notability can be established by either a large audience, established broadcast history, or unique programming." and the mention of history is a reference to the earlier phrase "However, radio stations tend to have long histories ....". This station does not meet these criteria as it is very new.   Velella   Velella Talk   09:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    All of Wikipedia's notability criteria are essays or guidelines rather than "policy", as such — but that fact doesn't make them non-binding, because "that's only an essay" is an invalid AFD argument. And you're misinterpreting the criteria, to boot: new radio stations are not excluded from Wikipedia because new, as a station's broadcast history is "established" the moment it signs on for its inaugural broadcast. That criterion was and is meant only to exclude permanent articles about stations that were given a license but for some reason never actually made it to air at all and thus had their licenses expire unbuilt, and not to impose a "radio stations do not get articles until they've been broadcasting for a certain specific minimum period of time" condition. If a radio station is reliably sourceable as meeting the two conditions, having a broadcast license and originating at least some of its own programming, then it has established its broadcast history, and is permanently notable, the moment its transmitter is actually transmitting a signal. Bearcat ( talk) 16:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I'm sorry but that that is not what WP:MEDIA says. That may be your interpretation, but that is not what the words mean to me.   Velella   Velella Talk   16:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Um, I was directly involved in the writing of NMEDIA — so I'm not just expressing an "interpretation" or an "opinion", but stating the plain and simple facts of what the document was designed to say and mean and communicate. The document may obviously need to be reworded for improved clarity, as policy and guideline documents often do, if you're getting something different out of it than what was intended — but I'm completely correct on the facts of how it's meant to be understood, because I was there for the original discussions: the intended meaning of "establishment" was "set up and operating", not "has distinguished itself as an especially elite member of its class of topic". Bearcat ( talk) 17:05, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I don't doubt your expertise, but the guidance is the guidance as written which is what we work to, whether poorly drafted or not. The example given "....even a 10-watt station belonging to a high school may be notable, if it's in a fight to keep the grandfathered Class D license with which it's been broadcasting for thirty years." makes is quite clear what "established " is intended to mean here.   Velella   Velella Talk   18:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Yep, and the definition of "established" that I gave is the definition of "established" that it fits. And if there's a gap between a notability guideline's intentions and one reader's interpretation of it, that does not give the reader's interpretation a trump card over the intention just because it's possible to read it that way — "the guidance is the guidance as written" does not imbue your position with the crown of righteousness just because you choose one potential interpretation over another of what's written, when both interpretations flow equally directly from "the guidance as written". It's not as if I'm making up some weird personal definition of "established" here — it's a standard real-world definition of the word, and it's the one that was intended, so the fact that the word also happens to have a more restrictive definition does not automatically make you right and me wrong about what NMEDIA means "as written". Guidelines can, in fact, be reworded and rewritten for clarity when necessary, such as when a reader misinterprets the intention or when other new considerations come along. So until such time as a consensus can be established that your interpretation should become the new rule going forward, the meaning of "established" that was intended by the drafters of the document, and has always been the consensus position until now, trumps the more restrictive definitions that some editors might choose to apply. Bearcat ( talk) 18:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    This article has been contested for deletion because as rightly pointed out by IP:182.59.251.80 edits on 24 July, 2016; the article relies on two links and provides no useful information to the public. Also I do not see the notability as to why it should be on Wikipedia. Check the article talk page for deletion requests as well PageImp ( talk) 06:51, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:32, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Non-notable defunct local junior hockey league. No evidence of meeting WP:GNG, all sources avaliable are non independent of the subject Prevan ( talk) 20:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Keep Notability is not temporary. Just because it is defunct does not mean the notability it most definitely had during the time it played is lost. And all 3 of the sources on the page are independent despite the claims of the nom. They are all independent publications talking about the league. Meets WP:GNG. - DJSasso ( talk) 10:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC) reply
      • Actually looking at Google, it seems the similar sounding Great Lakes Hockey League (adult) is notable, but not the completely different junior league which is the subject of this AFD. Can you explain how the three sources are considered "significant coverage" for GNG, or even reliable? The first source is borderline, it covers the subject at significant length but is it really independent of the coverage as it's the official publication of the USA junior hockey league. The second source is dead. The third source is a passing mention discussing one of the teams in the league playing in the arena. That's not enough for GNG. Prevan ( talk) 17:25, 26 July 2016 (UTC) reply
        • Yes, because the publication isn't written by the league itself it is independent, its a publication for junior hockey as a whole. The second source is not dead, works perfectly fine for me. Secondly, junior leagues will have been covered in all the papers in all the cities it had teams in. It would be exceedingly rare for a junior league in this area of the world to not be covered, to the point it would almost be notable for not being covered (if that were a thing). - DJSasso ( talk) 18:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep (possibly weak) Both the first and second sources are independent from the league and covers a couple of aspects of the league (which seems to meet WP:GNG at the bare minimum standards). I added the third to confirm that it did switch to inline when the majority of teams left with the change to AAU sanctioning. Otherwise it was very difficult to find any non-dead sources for a rather low-level league (Junior C is just not as well covered in the US as in Canada). The best sources may be from primary sources as some of the teams still exist in the United States Premier Hockey League and North American 3 Hockey League. But even then the Tier III teams have purged their sites of historical information at random over the years. Yosemiter ( talk) 04:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Comment: "Notability is not temporary" does not take into account that the notability of the subject has not yet been established. According to the available sources, this league is (was) not notable. The mentions are rather trivial, such as from link #2 in the article:
    GLJHL Every Team For Themselves May 9, 2012 7:44 AM
    The GLJHL is moving to AAU. We have reported on this as well as other sites. TJHN has now learned that teams counted on moving to AAU have recently been in contact with other former GLJHL teams seeking to join the Minnesota Junior Hockey League. These same teams have been contacting other owners seeking to start a new league under AAU that does not include Gerry Lullove as leader of the league.
    Interstingly, Mr. Lullove is no longer listed as President of the GLJHL on their website. Matt Lullove is now listed as president of the GLJHL according to the GLJHL website. One can only assume based on the surname that Matt Lullove is the son of Gerry Lullove. TJHN conducted research on Matt Lullove and nothing can be found that would rise to a credible hockey resume allowing Matt Lullove to become president of a junior hockey league. On the surface this appears to be nothing more than an attempt to distance itself from the mistakes leading to the leagues future while the Lullove group retains control of the GLJHL through a new figurehead.
    This is insufficient to meet GNG. As far as regional coverage where the leagues had teams in, I would assume that the coverage would be about the teams in question, rather than the league as a whole. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:27, 13 August 2016 (UTC) reply
      • @ K.e.coffman: Which of the three sources are primary? Two are independent journals (USA Junior Hockey Magazine and TJHN) that focus specifically on junior hockey. Why would an independent journal, TJHN, (which is not regional and covers all junior hockey and highly critical of low-level junior hockey) with a focus on a certain subject not be considered a secondary source? The third (which could be considered primary on the team mentioned) is just there to confirm that the league did not just fold but instead attempted to switch from ice hockey to roller hockey. That said, I already stated that even as junior hockey goes this league was barely notable and more likely is notable for being the origin of current teams in other notable leagues such as the United States Premier Hockey League and the North American 3 Hockey League via the now defunct Minnesota Junior Hockey League. Yosemiter ( talk) 23:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I've self corrected to state that the sources are insufficient and that the coverage is rather trivial, especially link #2, just reporting on gossip. The GNG states "multiple" reliable sources are required, so here we have one (although judging by the headline it was more along the lies of "The league rebrands vying for new markets..."). Separately, these mentions are from specialist industry publications which suggests that the topic is not yet interesting to the society at large. So overall, this coverage seems rather sparse to me. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was redirect to Bodmin#Bodmin_Borough_Police. Existing section. Nothing sourced to merge. No sources or policy-backed rationale for keeping. czar 21:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    No evidence of notability. One of 178 police forces in the UK between 1836 and 1866, this was a two-man police force. Every village in every country has or had similar police forces, nothing special or exceptional about this one. Routine coverage of the Bodmin police doing something during these thirty years is bound to exist, but specific indepth coverage seems to be lacking. Fram ( talk) 10:51, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    @ Necrothesp: you may well believe that to be the case, but without any evidence that this is notable under WP guidelines, your opinion will normally be discounted by the closing admin anyway. Do you have anything to support your keep? Fram ( talk) 08:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    This is Wikipedia, not bureaucratipedia. Nothing is set in stone and opinions do count on AfD. You and I have both surely been here long enough to know that. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Opinions which boil down to ILIKEIT, a claim of "notable enough" without any evidence to support this, normally don't count in AfD and are routinely dismissed by closing admins. Claims that something is notable should be based on osurces, not on "I believe". Fram ( talk) 06:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Just a hint, but issuing such "advice" to a fellow admin and long-term editor may be taken as somewhat patronising! I know how WP works as well as you do and if I wish to express an opinion I shall most certainly do so. I do not require the nominator to inform me what is or is not going to be dismissed by the closing admin (and neither does the closing admin). Thank you for your time. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    I do hope you would dismiss your own "keep" if you were the closing admin. And giving advice should be done indiscriminately of who the advisee is, there are enough examples of long-term editors not knowing (or caring about) some policies and guidelines, and letting these sit unchallenged only because they are e.g. an admin gives a very bad impression to less experienced editors, who may either then follow the poor example or don't understand why their opinion would be challenged and/or dismissed, while that of an admin would be left alone. Fram ( talk) 11:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. Given the lack of input despite relisting, this is a WP:SOFTDELETE Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Lovers (2001 TV series)

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    Does not appear to meet WP:GNG; search provides only minor mentions, not in reliable sources. Happy days, Lindsay Hello 12:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR per low participation herein. North America 1000 01:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Suzuki RM series

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    Non-notable motorcycle series. I have originally added a reference on 15 November 2015, which I realized to be unreliable. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 19:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Comment: I should note that I do not follow motorcycles at this point in my life, but I'm sure someone out there can scrape up some references for use in the article. As I wrote above, a motorcycle in production for 37 years has to have some coverage in third party publications. Especially since it was regularly used for racing. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:27, 8 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was no consensus. ( WP:NPASR). North America 1000 01:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Suzuki RM85

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    Non-notable motocross motorcycle. This is part of the Suzuki RM series, which I had also sent to AfD. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 19:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was no consensus. no consensus has appeared, and there is no point in further relisting DGG ( talk ) 21:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    SkyscraperPage

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    Delete and Salt please especially considering the last AfD was closed as Deleted, as (1) the current links are simply mere mentions actually and then my searches aren't finding anything actually better aside from mentions. Notifying the only still active AfDers Stifle and Acroterion. SwisterTwister talk 20:20, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Very weak delete, I think the fact that it's spun as a forum first and foremost gives it a bad rap. It is a data mining information website that includes illustrations of its subjects. Also what does it hurt? (A general inclusionist point to note) B137 ( talk) 16:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep – The previous AfD is nine years old, so referring to it seems, erm, out-of-date. On the other hand, the "keep" arguments from the 1st & 2nd AfD are even more pronounced now. Note that there are articles on 8 other Wikipedias and then there is the template {{ Skyscraperpage}} with more than 700 transclusions. WP:OSE notwithstanding, deleting an article about such a widely used website seems unhelpful. Also: shouldn't Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skyscrapers have been notified? They list that site under "Resources". -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 17:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment – SkyscraperPage and SkyscraperCity (the larger of the two) repeatedly come up for deletion and one is kept and one is tossed for generally weak and arbitrary reasons. I had suggested merging the two with Skyscraper, but no one found them useful enough to one-liner them on that page - also for arbitrary reasons. Both these sites are like Wikipedia - they are encyclopedias of the worlds skyscrapers and they are referenced in many publications and in articles, here. Are there third party citations beyond footnoting Skyscraper photos and basic specifications, no. Are these "encyclopedias" more encyclopedic than who got 6th place on America's got talent? At the very least, we should treat the sites equally.
    • Merge with Skyscraper – There is little to write about this website (either one) but it probably deserve mention somewhere on Wikipedia. I'd open a new subsection on Skyscraper, or if that seems like too much, list both sites as resources on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.205.145 ( talk) 19:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment - There are a ton of sources which cite this, which would help notability if it were a publication, but there's just not all that much about it that I can find. It's a difficult search, though, because there are just so many hits. I did find bits at BBC, Globe and Mail, and Gainesville Sun... but that doesn't seem like quite enough. It's ubiquitous enough that I'd like to see more sources rather than delete, but can't sufficiently substantiate a keep !vote. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:53, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep the hits on even a basic news search [23] are persuasive. Note that not merely are the images produces by the site reproduced, but that the site is credited with driving news cycles on new high-rise development in stories like this [24] and this [25]. Also, some of the stories already on the page provide RS info about this website. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 18:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    The ChicagoBusiness link is simply a few paragraphs and it's not actually convincing, the same can be said for the DJCOregon which is simply guiding through what there all is to say about the company, but not substance, it also seems like a questionable source given it hints at local-focused PR. SwisterTwister talk 19:24, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Comment to closer - Considering the previous AfDs, this is not an easy clpse thus this is either best relisted or at least closed (but not as Keep given there is not a significant amount confidently voting as such) and renominated may be best. SwisterTwister talk 19:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I was persuaded by the NYTimes story already on the page "skyscraperpage.com, a Web site that tracks major buildings around the world," this validates the site and provides a useful description of it. (This page gets ~800 hits a month; users apparently want to know what SkyscraperPage is.]] Page is validated by the use of info from this site in books on urban development and planning [26] by authors including Edward Relph. There is too much self-sourcing, but there is sufficient reliable, secondary sourcing to keep. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) — Sam Sailor 00:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Not notable, Fails NACTOR and GNG. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 23:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 11:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Iosif Poursanidis

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    Advertorially toned WP:BLP of a musician who has no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC, which is based almost entirely on primary and unreliable sources like Facebook posts and YouTube videos and Blogspot blogs. The only two reliable sources here are purely local coverage in the town where he's currently living -- which is not enough to get a person over WP:GNG. In addition, the article appears to have been edited by the subject himself, raising a conflict of interest issue. While there's enough here that he could qualify for an article if it were sourced properly, nothing claimed here gives him an inclusion freebie if Facebook and LinkedIn and Soundcloud are the best sources you can come up with. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 21:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. postdlf ( talk) 15:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    List of cities in Greater China

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    Short and outdated list(s), everything in the list(s) is already covered by this and this. WdS | Talk 15:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Delete. The short and outdated are not an issue, but there is no need for this to exist as a list. It is not even a single list but two, or two and a bit, of things that are not really comparable; cities in the People’s Republic are more regions than traditional cities. Hong Kong and Macau are not cities but contain them. As it is the list is OR and fails WP:LISTN, as can be seen from the sources which do not discuss the list as a whole but the separate sub-lists.-- JohnBlackburne words deeds 15:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    @ JohnBlackburne: Exactly! I thought of mentioning Hong Kong and Macau, but this notion of them being cities is so widespread, you still see them listed as cities in many places on and off Wikipedia. Examples on WP include this and this, and just to mention, the latter also largely duplicated this which I mentioned above. WdS | Talk 16:43, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was delete. MBisanz talk 12:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Sivaramakrishnan Murali

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    Heavy promotional article, will need a complete rewrite to meet our standards. I can't establish the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:PROF. Solomon 7968 16:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • There are decent some Gbooks and Gscholar results. Problem is, this article has been so devotedly created and crafted by SPA promotional editor User:Harischandra over 7 years -- who is clearly Murali himself or someone affiliated -- that I wonder of WP:TNT doesn't apply. The article would need to be heavily edited for spammy tone, verifiability, etc., and then the article would need to be maintained so that the SPA or another account doesn't do it all over again. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:54, 31 July 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Delete. Gscholar cites are almost non-existent. Fails WP:Prof. Xxanthippe ( talk) 22:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC). reply
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    The result was snowball keep. Brandon ( talk) 18:37, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    Google Fuchsia

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    Just a supposed new operating system from Google in the early stages of development, without relevant information. Pedrohoneto ( talk) 01:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was no consensus. Although delete and merge together have a slight edge over keep, we don't have consensus here. Merger discussions can continue on the talk page.  Sandstein  19:53, 24 August 2016 (UTC) reply

    R/The Donald

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    PROD removed. I doubt this warrants having its own article at this point, and from what I can see, we don't even know for sure if Donald Trump is really involved or it's just satire. nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply

    • lol, once again this subreddit has been mentioned by several reputable news sources, and has even been visited by donald trump himself. at this point it is the largest discussion hub for the candidate and deleting the article would only be censoring the hub. Kabahaly ( talk) 11:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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    • Comment: controversial reddit communities include blatantly racist, or sexist, or generally bigoted ones. to list this article as one of the controversial communities is like saying that donald trump is a racist or sexist, which goes against wikipedia's neutral POV Kabahaly ( talk) 11:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 12:31, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    I'm not familiar with the field, so I'm not sure whether these two meet the criteria of WP:ARTIST. However, the article itself is fishy based on the fact that Jonthemurray ( talk · contribs) was the main contributor, and it is fair to say there is a conflict of interest. Usually we discourage self-promotion. bender235 ( talk) 22:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC) reply

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    • Delete I can't find evidence for meeting WP:ARTIST (their reviews don't meet 4c), and the article doesn't claim any. For GNG, there are three independent RS with nontrivial coverage available: reviews in the Post & Courier, Charleston City Paper (Cohen) and CCP (Oyer). (There's more in their press clippings, but nothing substantial as far as I can see).) These sources do not have enough depth of coverage to verify basic encyclopedic information like their location, major career events, and influence within their field. FourViolas ( talk) 04:36, 16 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • Keep, I guess. Maybe. It's borderline. The Charleston City Paper says "videos like 'Awkward Sex' and 'Auto Phone Sex' (not related) have amassed millions of views" on YouTube. If that's true, doesn't that show evidence of meeting WP:ENT #2, "Has a large fan base or a significant 'cult' following"? Not sure, maybe millions of views is common. If it is common, they might not make the cut. The Post & Courier review is a plus, but the 'Charleston City Paper is not worth much, so you probably don't have multiple in-depth references. It does look like a promotional article. I dunno, I better stop before I talk myself out of my vote. Herostratus ( talk) 14:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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    The result was merge to 2015 Copenhagen shootings#Perpetrator. MBisanz talk 12:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Per WP:PERPETRATOR, this is too small for a main article on El-Hussein, and he doesn't seem too particularly noteworthy to deserve an article of his own. Everything is already covered in the "Perpetrator" section of the 2015 Copenhagen shootings article. If there is anything missed there that is already being covered in this article, it can simply just be merged into the shootings article. Parsley Man ( talk) 22:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    The result was delete. NeilN talk to me 14:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Procedural nomination. Subject's notability has been questioned. Adam9007 ( talk) 00:25, 15 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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    Fine with salting it per Nate, but with an expiration date of a year or two at most. It seems likely she'll cross the GNG threshold within a few years with some mainstream coverage, and the certain fanbase's ire will fade soon enough. FourViolas ( talk) 06:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    Just modified my rationale a little; I have no issue with re-creation once good sourcing and sane profiles come in for the subject if they earn true notability, but keep it frozen for now. Nate • ( chatter) 08:03, 17 August 2016 (UTC) reply
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