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I can find no evidence whatsoever that either this book or its author exist. The information in this article has also been put
here by the author. Google Web, News, and Books return only these two articles.
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Delete. I couldn't find anything through
the India WP's search engine. I don't think that this is a hoax, more that this was likely a book that received a small publication in India and was never popular enough for anyone to write about it. There are a lot of books in India with similar tales, where they were published and fell into obscurity before the Internet became a thing (and even then there are books that are somewhat known that aren't mentioned on the Internet). In any case, this is a fairly clear delete.
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The result was Speedy delete
WP:G10. The article had a source for some info but it did not verify all the accusations in the article.. --
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Delete This article is original research that advances an argument, rather than covering a notable topic in a neutral fashion. I do not believe that the topic itself is notable.
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Non notable software. Inadequate citations. Paid editor. Prev. article was non-consensus because almost nobody commented. We need to pay attention to getting rid of articles like this. DGG (
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keep The original submission may have not been much better, but I rewrote it completely. I removed the 90% of the article which was unclear or over-extended or puffery. Clear notability: highest citations, 190, 95, in two of the major journals in the field, . This kind of citation record is notable in any subject. I unsalted the title because I fixed the problem. That bad prior articles were written doesn't mean that the present article is equally bad. I do not agree with the principle that we punish the subject for having written a bad article about themselves In past years, I would routinely rewrite any low quality article on a notable academic, and in many other fields s also. I do much less of this now, because of the need to deal with the flood of promotionalism, but when there's a chance to easily fix something that's worth fixing, I still do it if it's quick enough. DGG (
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I can't find support for the number-of-citations claims (the only cited novel claim beyond those in the previous articles)...the ref is to Google Scholar for this person's name starting after hit #10 of the results. How does one determine which of the "about 14,600 hits" are ones that cite two specific papers?
DMacks (
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21:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Yes, Google Scholar can be less than helpful! (But you can click around a bit in papers to get a feel for which ones are his and what the field is like.) In Google Scholar search for "Atul Kumar Central Drug Research Institute", then in the papers that come up click on the links of the two of his students (S Sharma, RA Maurya) who have Google Scholar profiles. Those papers come up in citation order, so you can see the top ones.
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NES emulator, fails to establish notability, no third-party references. Google search for the name of software mostly returns copies of the Wikipedia article. The project's subversion repository has not been updated since the year 2007.
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Delete both the article on the software and the developer. There's a complete absence of meaningful coverage. If by some miracle the article on the software survives, the one about the dev should be redirected.
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Delete - these emulator article's rarely seem to have the coverage needed to meet the GNG. Delete the one sentence, zero sourced "article" about its creator, Igor.
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Delete. This is pretty much your typical non-notable self-published book. It hasn't received coverage in any place that Wikipedia would consider reliable and it fails
WP:NBOOK fairly solidly.
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Could not find non-blog/forum sources. This religion is in practice, however. All of the other Polytheistic Religions get there own articles separate from the ancient religions they're based on. Due to Neopaganism & Reconstructionism being having heavy European leanings, most of the attention in books are directed that way (with exception to Kemeticism, which could be argued to have gotten more focus due in part to Greek influence in Egyptian history). Some examples are Heathenism (Germanic/Norse), Hellenism (Greek), Roman, & Romuva (Lithuanian).
There are other reconstruction is religions that are poorly written upon. For example,
Semitic neopaganism.
It should also be noted that the modern Nahum religion may be in hiding--or at least, remaining somewhat quiet--due to possible discrimination. Some members do cut themselves, which is frowned upon, and how many people remember Aztec religion as a human sacrificing cult?
It took a very long time for Wiccan to come out "of the broom closet" due to black cat & baby sacrificing stereotypes (as well as historical persecution). Perhaps people who currently follow the Nahua are still at this stage?
Wikipedia is a place to expand on information. It is a go-to guide for people to get basic information without having to do costly Internet & book researching.
I think it's time that Neopagans, Polytheistic reconstructionists, and everybody else acknowledge that these people exist. The modern practicioners of the Nahua/Aztec religion.
Artheartsoul1 (
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20:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
Aztec religion. Since it seems that "Nahua" is synonymous with "Aztec", the title of this article is really "Aztec religion". I think a redirect would be most suitable here. There does not seem to be enough information available about this reconstructed religion to justify an independent entry. Perhaps, in the future, someone could add a section on the modern revived religion, but the information in this article is of rather poor quality and is therefore unsuitable for merging. --
Biblioworm(talk)21:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete or redirect - most of the search results for "Nahau religion" (with quotes) refer to an ancient meso-American religion but not necessarily precisely the same as the Aztec religion. As concepts, the ancient Nahau religion, the same religion as practices by modern Nahau people, and the "reconstructed neo-Nahau religion" are probably all encyclopedic enough to have 3 different well-referenced articles on 3 different yet similar topics (with
Aztec religion being yet another article). However, I couldn't find enough references for the latter two groups in a quick search, and until someone does find adequate references, the two latter subjects should not ahve articles written about them. If Wikipedia were "complete" on this topic, the religion as practices half a millennium ago would be the primary topic.
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Yet unreleased therefore non notable with just a single source that mentions the name name of the film only a single time, not a significant news coverage of the movie.
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Weak keep for now simply to see how the aftermath coverage goes and I would expect this would at least get some minimal coverage from that film industry.
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Delete Unable to find any reliable sources through the usual types of Google searches, HighBeam, JSTOR, or ProQuest. Does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:ORG.
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Promotional and I can't see a clear claim to notability through all the puffery and trivia. Maybe I am missing something given how badly it is written. There was also copyvio material, lifted from the subject's own webisite, which I have removed. (See
this version if you want to see the additional claims made in that content.) That makes it clear that the artist is releasing records on their own label, so no record deal then. It is also an almost unreferenced BLP. The only reference offered was a spammy link to the subject's own website and the search links above fail to reveal a smoking Gunn (Sorry!). Nothing much but social media.
Note: I had put this on as a PROD rationale but then I saw that PROD had already been contested twice so I am switching this to an AfD.
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18:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Speedy Delete - minimal sources found for a musician of that name, mostly primary. Does not meet notability guidelines for entertainers, and the article doesn't even try to do so. Promotional and unencyclopedic content Scr★pIronIV19:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Fully amateur club below step 11 of the English football system. Thus, it is not a notable club per WikiProject Football standards. (Note also that its league is not notable enough to have an article.) Further, the club has not received significant coverage in independent sources. —C.Fred (
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Keep - Filming set to commence according to multiple sources. Its currently in preproduction. The article will be cleaned up. 15:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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Comment: redirecting the article to the original author would be disastrous as his edits seem very immature and apparently has a history of not responding to talk page posts. I agree it meets the WP:TOOSOON clause, but as nothing in this article is
WP:CRYSTALBALLING, I say we give it a go for now.
173.33.180.117 (
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Response: Anon IP you are incorrect. Please re-read what I wrote, as I am NOT suggesting a redirect to an author, but to the sourcable as involved
notable filmmaker. And please avoid
WP:ADHOM arguments. Since anyone is allowed to contribute, perhaps suggesting a mentor-ship of a newcomer would be far better than your
declaring them immature. And please... while I agree this one is TOO SOON, properly sourced
WP:SPECULATION is not disallowed, and redirecting for a short while to the filmmaker is precisely per policy and guideline, just as is my suggesting the article could be placed in a
draftspace until the topic meets inclusion criteria. Schmidt, Michael Q.00:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. The AFD tag on the article was redlinked due to a typo in the template. I've corrected that, but if this debate is down to the wire at closing time, the closing admin should consider adding a day or two to account for those first two days. FYI.
UltraExactZZSaid~
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The editor who nominated the article for deletion in the first place justified it with the concern that the film hadn't started principal photography. Definitions aside, I believe the article should be kept. Its notable and is backed with reliable sources.
173.33.180.117 (
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12:17, 22 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep as a topic which exceeds
WP:GNG enough to merit being a
reasonable exception to WP:NFF. Yes, I had up above suggested a redirect (now struck) based upon what was it looked like
when nominated, but the then-stub article has gone through
marked improvements to become a decent start or C-class and, as the likely-hood of filming beginning in a very few weeks has increased, I have been convinced that it remaining and being further improved over time and through regular editorial efforts serves the project and its readers. Schmidt, Michael Q.02:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)reply
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Non-notable self-published novel. Topic content apparently posted completely by book's author as promotion; all content is in-universe. Uses external links to Amazon store as sole reference; other references include a blog post and a dictionary. No sign of notability.
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Delete - article, apparently written by the book author, with no evidence of notability. Google search came up almost empty (and several hits are false positives to boot). Note: I also nominated the article creator's original draft version in userspace under CSD U5/G11.
GermanJoe (
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21:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per above. It's borderline promotional, but not to the point where I'd say it could be speedied, although the author's intent to promote the book is pretty obvious. I will remove the Amazon purchase link from the article, though.
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Even after being involved in many events and work the subject does not have significant coverage in reliable sources. Most of references in the article are either from social networking sites or self-published sources. The subject fails
WP:GNG and
WP:BIO —
CutestPenguinHangout14:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that I can find. I first thought that a "keep" argument could be made based on inherent notability for the president of a political party, but it seems like there is very little coverage (if any) for the party too, and so neither of them likely meet GNG.
Vanamonde93 (
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13:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete The nominator is exactly right about the quality of sources used in the article and the ones seemingly available, and Vanamonde93 is right about the notability due to the "political party". The only mention in an RS I could find was
this one, which is so trivial that we can't even be sure that it's the same person. Note that there are several other swamis with similar names, eg
Swami Premananda and another
Swami Premanand Ji Maharaj who was active years before the subject was born.
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Comment the only two substantial contributors to the article are two redlink SPAs, one of whom created the article and the other who created
Draft:Derek Sitter. The article was moved from
Draft:Derek Edward Sitter to article space by an editor who's now blocked for undisclosed paid advocacy editing. This whole thing could be the work of the blocked editor. —
Brianhe (
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17:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per Brianhe, We shouldn't allow articles created by paid editors to stay but that aside I can't find anything notability wise so either way delete. –
Davey2010Talk21:57, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete There are a fair number of potential references, but the only reliable coverage (significant or otherwise) that I can find is from local Oregon sources, with no indication that he's been noticed outside of his home area.
Primefac (
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08:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete for now as I found nothing to suggest even minimal improvement and the IMDb page is no help in adding more content. If needed, I suppose draft & userfy.
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While searching for more notable sources, I came to know that
Arun Shourie has discussed in length various fatawas of this article in his book, The World of Fatwas or the Sharia in Action: (2012,
ISBN9789350293423). There is already a wiki Page in
Urdu language on this subject which is well sourced. I have added
Dainik Jagran as a source which is largest circulated daily of India. The subject is indeed notable and widely published in Islamic field.
ScholarM (
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18:35, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Fatawa-e-Razvia or Fatawa-e-Radviyyah or similar spellings is now contains several reliable sources. It has been devoted special chapters by
Arun Shourie in his famous book, The World of Fatwas or the Sharia in Action: (2012,
ISBN9789350293423). There is no reason it should not be in Wikipedia. I will improve the article further.
ScholarM (
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15:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Speedy Delete In its current form the article should be removed ASAP. Perhaps someone can sandbox it to his user sandbox and use the article for submission after he has worked on it, although it appears to be a very vague thing, not sure if any RS will be found which has discussed this.
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12:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)reply
There are NILL RS's here. and i mean literally zero, zilch , nada, al numero big fatto zero. So the article should not have even passed the patrolled phase to be frank, it should have been speedy deleted.
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The result was no consensus. Opinions vary about whether or not this this qualifies for deletion per
WP:NOTNEWS /
WP:BLP1E versus the subject surpassing these policies as per having lasting significance and per meeting
WP:GNG. Ultimately, no consensus has formed in this discussion. North America100001:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment Can we include this in India related discussion, because even though the alleged murder was in Thailand, the main suspects was Indian and was arrested by the Indian police.
Fotaun (
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17:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Weak delete per
WP:BLP1E (or should it be
WP:BDP1E?). As expected, there were lots of news coverage, but they are all for the murder case, and it doesn't even seem to be one that is high profile enough to warrant a
Murder of Wendy Albano article. Also, one of the hits I found suggests that prior to her death she worked with celebrities, which might be a credible claim to notability if there were sources about that independent of the murder case, but as it stands, there isn't any.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew09:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I would take step back from just looking at it either a criminal case or biography, what caught my attention here is the politics. A U.S. Senator writing to Hillary to get India to move on a case, shifted this into the interesting category of cases involving international relations (anyone remember the Singapore lashings stories?). There may be a better umbrella for it, I don't know but I what I have wanted to find is if Hillary actually contacted India about this.
Fotaun (
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17:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep sitting at the nexus of international crime, politics, india=thai-usa relations, and of course the letter to Hillary from a US Senator, makes this at least in my opinion something that is historical and notable. Maybe we don't need this information in a biography but it should probably be somewhere in the "summary of all human knowledge".
Fotaun (
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17:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete - Wikipedia is
WP:NOTNEWS, senators and US secretary of state thrwoing their weight around when US citizens are murdered abroad is run-of-the-mill, no lasting impact, an ordinary muder case, also article is quite some
WP:COATRACK, telling stories of unrelated events.
Kraxler (
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17:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't think any of that is accurate- it is quite rare to have politicians involved in cases like you are talking about. Comparing this event to put in context is not exactly a coat rack either, that is just standard article writing on Wikipedia. However, that is really a page content issue not a reason to delete (maybe for a merge?)
Fotaun (
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13:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - WP:NOTNEWS is wikipedias most pointless guideline as Wikipedia is based solely or mostly on news in sources, and the material added. Anyway. this one passes WP:GNG. Simple.--
BabbaQ (
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21:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep as per
Fotaun, more than a simple
WP:BLP1E since it involves several nations (India, Thailand, USA), a high-profile designer, involvement by US politicians, a 2-year manhunt, justice, solid references => keep.--
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The result was
Delete. --
MelanieN (
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Although I understand it was nominated and I was acknowledge some of the comments made there such as the BBC making it notable even if minimal, I think it may be time for another nom. There's no article for the author Lonna Bradley (which questions its notability if no article is present unless the book was more notable than author which it seems it's not the case here) and there's no linking articles at all therefore no move target. All my searches also found nothing good aside from the usual book links at browser. There's also basically nothing different at the
cyr.wikipedia. Pinging previous commenters @
Billinghurst,
DGG,
Whpq, and
WilyD:SwisterTwistertalk05:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep but rewrite as a bio of the author, who has written other books--low worldcat holdings, but that's irrelevant for q a book in Welsh. our having no bio of the author can be a sign of our incompleteness; we know WP is not a RS, having nothing in WP is is even less of a reliable source. The review is from Wales Book Council DGG (
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Article copied from Draft space before being accepted. No suitable references and the only indication of notability is that he did his job (no serious accolades or academic positions), which is really more of a
MILL situation.
Primefac (
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07:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
I believe the article is relevant to the categories it belongs to. I am still working on it, so content and citation addition will soon be completed. I am more than happy to help with its improvement, but I think a deletion is too much. Just let me know what else to do. Thank you.
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10:48, 3 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep If one's jobhappens to be " technical coordinator for all CERN's Accelerators and Beam Experimental Areas," (which I think corresponds to CTO at the most important physics lab in the world), and if you become a Fellow of iEE because of it, that shows acknowledgement as an expert in one's field. DGG (
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Keep -- A professor at CERN (which will use the term in the European (not American) sense will certainly be notable. This is currently a poor article, in that probably does not fully reflect his academic achievements.
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Hello! Could you please re-examine the article and withdraw some of the comments so that it corresponds the current needs? I just added some info, references, citations and also linked it to Simon Van der Meer's Wiki article so it is not orphan anymore.
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WP:ALSWP:LISTCRUFT article showing by-episode results and notes about celebrity contestants appearing on each episode within a specific season of television game show All Star Family Fortunes. Article does not contain information that meets guidelines in
WP:EPISODE, and episode descriptions are filled with trivial details (e.g., answers to specific questions within the episode, joke answers given by celebrities, etc.). Episode ratings, contestant notes and winnings are all unsourced.
This is not a television series with fictional plot synopses that is appropriate to be chronicled in an article, and the specific details of results from a television game show episode do not meet
WP:GNG.
Deletion reasons addressed in other similar AFDs, such as:
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An article about a 16-year-old musician, citing no third-party sources. The article claims that his single "Ignite the Fire" was played on a Charlotte KISS-FM radio station and in 2014 was placed in rotation on MTV. Neither statement is sourced. The only evidence ever offered by the article creator was a Twitter screenshot,
[4] which could be of absolutely anything. I can find no online evidence that this musician is any more than one of many using the web for self-promotion. Lacking third-party sources to demonstrate that any of the criteria in
Wikipedia:Notability (music) are met, the article should be deleted - while I wish the subject of the article luck, I see no reason why Wikipedia should provide free publicity.
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Comment: I don't know how I can source the fact that the song was played on a KISS FM station multiple times or the playing of the song on MTV. Please don't delete the page as I continue to find sources. — Preceding
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23:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
This AFD process takes 7 days. So you have time to find sources. I suggest you concentrate on that. Many new editors will concentrate on adding a photo or making the article sound better but those things are not a basis of notability. References are what will establish notability and go a long way to keeping the article. Dismas|
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Keep: wtf keep. im a fan of sam and sam meets all the criteria and there isn't a website where you can prove that a song was on the radio. sam tweeted that the song was on the radio and the radio station literally favorited it. and people are adding sources so theres nothing to worry about. i like reading about sam and other people do too so keep the article.
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AndyTheGrump (
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02:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
since it meets at least one criteria, and you've seen a source, and because the majority wants this page, can't you just keep on monitoring the page and making authentic edits to it?
Whateverlovato (
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00:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
No source has been provided that demonstrates that any of the criteria have been met. And this is not a vote - particularly since the 'majority' here seem to be new accounts that have sprung from nowhere, all coming out with the same nonsense.
AndyTheGrump (
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00:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes,
Whateverlovato (00:32, 20 August 2015), anyone is welcome to keep on monitoring the page and adding to it material from reliable, disinterested sources. This of course includes you. If over the next few days you or others can transform the article so that it provides evidence of notability, then I shall no longer be able to do what I do now: compare it with relevant Wikipedia guidelines, and say delete. --
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02:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
I've been having a discussion with someone on my talk page who claims to be Pomerantz - saying he doesn't want the article. And a post on Pomerantz's Twitter account now says the same thing, so it is clearly him. Sam says "Talking with a Wikipedia moderator right now. There are people making this article about me, so if you see this, can you all stop?"
[5] The discussion on my talk page is here:
[6]AndyTheGrump (
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02:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
It looks that way. If that makes you change your mind about the article (I think it should), you should say so here - that way we can probably close this discussion early, delete the article, and find something more useful to do.
AndyTheGrump (
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03:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
if sam wants it gone, then remove it. im a big fan of him and i dont wanna argue about this anymore tbh, so if the other users come back or try to like get mad at you, i can like go on their talk page and tell them its alright
Whateverlovato (
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03:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Completely fails
WP:MUSIC and the unreferenced claims to notability are silly. Maybe he will be a big star some day, but not on August 20, 2015. The "keep" arguments above must be disregarded because their motivation is clear, and they show no sign of understanding our notability guidelines. They seem to be here only as fans of this 16 year old musician.
Cullen328Let's discuss it04:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Per ATG and Cullen. And due to the very polite request by the subject on ATG:s talkpage, I suggest deleting this article sooner rather than later (I believe 7 days discussion is the standard time?).
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Keep – Chester are now a professional club. Plenty of other clubs in a similar position that have the same pages. Also as someone mentioned in the discussion of the 2012–13 season Conference teams seem to be the 'cut-off' point for having season pages and these represent that level of football. — Preceding
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Comment - Chester are a professional club though and the conference as always been considered the 'cut-off' point for season pages. Also why do these templates (
Template:2013–14 in English football,
Template:2014–15 in English football,
Template:2015–16 in English football) consist of Conference Premier/National League teams if it isn't a 'fully-professional league' and for you to believe they shouldn't have individual season pages.
Keep Well-sourced material, clearly passes GNG. While BBC for years consider Conference/National League notable and suitable for covering both matches and club news we still follow obscure criteria of 'fully-professional' league. If one day part-time team would break into Football League, should we delete all the season articles of its rivals? Ridiculous.
Martinklavier (
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20:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment Laughable. First reference regarding 'fully-professional leagues'
here tells us that League Two was NOT fully professional a few years ago (i mean David Rainford), and who knows how many players are part-timers now.
Martinklavier (
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20:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete -
WP:NSEASONS is quite clear that season articles for clubs are usually only suitable for clubs in top professional leagues. Long standing consensus has been that for the english league system, the fourth tier is the cut off point for this. Ignoring the obvious
WP:NOTSTATS issues and the failure to adhere to NSEASONS requirement that articles such as this consist mainly of sourced prose, contrary to comments above, none of the articles are well sourced. Not only do almost all the sources provided reference
routine transfers and loan movements rather than any discussion of the season itself, the vast majority of these are from primary sources (often Chester's own website). I am simply not seeing significant, reliable, non-routine coverage of this season in the club's life.
Fenix down (
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16:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment Excuse me, may i ask you to point out an example of season article consisting of well-sourced prose, you are talking of? As long as i can see, all the prose in a such articles (even for a PL clubs) is just a copy of information from tables.
Martinklavier (
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17:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete allWP:NSEASONS is pretty strict about this – only teams playing in fully professional leagues should have a season article unless the season itself meets
WP:GNG. As the English fifth tier is not fully professional, and GNG is not satisfied by pure
WP:ROUTINE coverage alone, no other choice but to delete these. –
Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head...20:03, 22 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep, but they are in need of improving, not least because of the complete absence of any prose. A number of season articles of Conference/National League clubs have attained GA status, which suggests to me that there is enough national and local coverage of this level of football for
WP:GNG to be satisfied.
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15:14, 23 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep all as per Mattythewhite's argument. They play in a predominantly professional league, and plenty of sources to meet the
WP:GNG of the season as a whole. --Jimbo[online]14:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete all - WP:NSEASONS states 'top' professional league. Largely a dump of stats and the 'timeline' section is also unencylopedic. WP:GNG isn't met I'd say - the topic of 'Chester's 2015-16 Football Season' is not covered as a major topic in multiple independent sources outside of regular news reporting.
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Delete - self-promotion of non-notable student. Only sources are SPS, minor listings, and references for details that are not directly about him. The main claim for notability, "Project Yantr", is carefully described as a future project in development (aka. not currently working) and is not covered by reliable sources. Aside from the self-promotion against policy this is also far
WP:TOOSOON.
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I'm not finding anything that demonstrates that Richard Bevan was independently notable. He was the son of a banker, the father of a banker, and altogether a rather
run-of-the-mill banker from the sounds of it (he did nothing of note himself). The references are mainly "a list of everybody who's ever done something" pieces or vaguely primary sources such as histories of the banks he belonged to.
Primefac (
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08:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep. Co-founder of Barclays Bank. Moreover, this second nomination seems premature (the serial nominator removed the tag which read "Please do not rush to mark it for deletion" only three days after his first attempt/this was created...). Very strange behaviour.
Zigzig20s (
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09:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
If you're accusing me of socking, then you're seriously mistaken; I have nothing to do with the original nominator, and have only keept tabs on this page since closing the first withdrawn AfD. In revisiting the page today I realised that (a) the {{new page}} tag was inappropriate for
BLP articles, and (b) the page was at a point where any claims of significance (especially after the first AfD) would have been made. There is no indication that he was a co-founder of Barclays, only a partner in the firm that eventually became Barclays (there are a lot of names in those firms, btw). If you can find definitive evidence that he was a key player in the creation of Barclays, then I will definitely reconsider this nomination.
Primefac (
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09:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
It sounds like you don't know the topic. The Bevans are a founding family of Barclays, yes. In any case, we asked for a week; it's only been three days. This is premature.
Zigzig20s (
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09:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. No claim of significance since my initial
nomination. I've reviewed the 'supporting' references to the claim that he was a co-founder -
this only shows he was a member of a firm which was then "taken over by Barclay, Bevan, Tritton, Ransom, Bouverie and Co in 1894."
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09:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep -- He was not merely a banker but a bank proprietor. Banks at that period were partnerships, so that each change of partnership is technically a take-over; this is before the days of joint stock banking. I am certainly not suggesting that every bank partner was notable, but the active partners in the major London banks certainly should be. There is a published history of Barclays Bank, so that the facts should be verifiable. The problem with the article is that it is focused on a Brighton Bank, which Barclays took over, rather than on the London bank in which he and his eldest brother became partners according to another of the references cited.
Peterkingiron (
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10:43, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Note: Vague articles about entire families are discouraged because people are individuals. The move is towards articles about specific individuals and a category about said family added to each individual's page.
Zigzig20s (
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13:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
We're here to decide whether or not to delete the page in question, along with its history. Whether we keep the page as is or make it a section within a large article is comparatively unimportant. The relevant policy is that we should
preserve the information.
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16:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep His role as a partner in banks that eventually became Barclays is a credible claim of significance and that is well attested to by the existing sources. In addition, there are two major histories of the bank (1926 and 2008) that should provide additional information when someone gets them out of the library and A History of the Bevan Family by A.N. Gamble (Headley Brothers, 1924, 144 pages) which has also not been tapped. Finally, there are Brighton newspapers to consult if anyone has current access to the British Library 19th Century Newspapers archive as undoubtedly he would have taken a leading role in Brighton's civic life given his position.
Philafrenzy (
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00:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep this nomination is patently absurd and shows a deep misunderstanding both of 19th century, business, politics, and also of Wikipedia. Yes, he inherited his money and lived as a member of the establishment. You might not like the fact that such people existed, but you shouldn't try to "punish" him by withdrawing a Wikipedia article on him just because you don't like him. That is the lamest most pathetic excuse for deletion that I have ever come across (and it is at the heart of another pathetic misunderstanding known as "
WP:NOTINHERITED"). A Wikipedia article is neutral - it isn't an award for public service to the community. We have articles on good people, bad people and people who were just trying to live their lives honestly in a confusing society.
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WP:BLP of a political staffer with no particularly strong claim to
notability. Of the eight sources here, three are covering him in the context of quitting
Gavin Newsom's staff after Newsom had an affair with his ex-wife ten years ago, one is covering him in the context of quitting another job, three just glancingly namecheck his existence in the process of failing to be about him, and only one is actually substantively about him doing something other than quitting a job. And for that matter, seven of the eight are local sources — and the only non-local one is one of those glancing namechecks. That's not the kind of sourcing it takes to get over
WP:NPOL #3; it takes a lot more substance and a lot more non-localized coverage than that — and if you're going to park the notability on the Newsom affair itself, then the problem is that since nothing else here gets him an article, the Newsom affair just makes him a
WP:BLP1E. Delete.
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Keep. Puzzling that no sources were found by the nominator. Just a cursory Google search found enough coverage from Allmusic, Trouser Press, SPIN, and Option to make it clear the subject is notable. --
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Biography of a county supervisor, with no particularly strong sourcing to support it. This is a level of office which falls under
WP:NPOL #3: a person at this level of government can qualify for a substantive and well-sourced article, but does not get automatic inclusion rights just because they exist. This, however, has almost no substance to it — there's just one sentence in the entire article about anything he did besides being born and dying — and the sourcing is either
primary or local community weeklies that aren't widely-distributed enough to contribute anything toward
WP:GNG. Delete.
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03:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete His role as a county supervisor (even for a large county like Orange County, California)) does not give him automatic inclusion here. His disappearance and presumed death do not qualify for an article because of
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:1E. In a search, I found lots of stuff about events in the wilderness park named after him, and one news item about his disappearance. His disappearance is also mentioned in a book cited at the article. Not enough. --
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WP:BLP of a person notable only as a school board superintendent and as an unelected candidate for statewide office. Neither of these is a claim of
notability that gets a person into Wikipedia, and the sourcing is entirely to raw tables of election results with not a shred of
reliable source coverage of him. Delete.
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Delete yet another obviously paid-for corp exec vanity bio. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for notability (childrearing advice in Deseret News?!), but ends up failing.
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Keep - not being referenced is not a reason for deletion. It was very easy to find a source for this. I've fixed the page so it is standard with the other Tamil film lists by year.
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WP:GNG requires a
significant coverages in multiple independent
reliable sources and that I'm not seeing for the subject of this article. Majority of the sources you brought here are unreliable. Three of the sources you pointed out are personal blog and the only reliable source I can see is the "Guardian News", I can't even see the one that linked to the "NYT" and even if I see them, they are not enough to establish
notability. I really don't enjoy wasting time on irrelevant discussion, if u can point to the
significant coverages in multiple independent
reliable sources, I will gladly withdraw my nomination.
Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£17:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)reply
The NYT article is in-depth, it's ref # 5 in the article. The blogs I mentioned above are clearly marked as such, and should be considered only as collateral to the more important reliable sources, to get context. No need to withdraw, other users may opine.
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17:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. I think a couple paragraphs in the New York Times article, and the Guardian (Nigeria) article listed above, are enough for
WP:GNG, but the article is currently far out of proportion to what those sources can support, and the rest of the sources are not good. It should be stubbed back to material that has reliable secondary sources only. —
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17:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)reply
I'm a little confused by your response. Are you claiming that (1) two is not greater than one, (2) The NYT and Nigeria Guardian are not reliable, (3) the NYT and Guardian articles are not independent of each other or the subject, or (4) a full article about his work and another article with three paragraphs about his work are not significant coverage? If none of these is what you are claiming, then how does the coverage fail to be multiple, reliable, independent, and significant? As for your family, see
WP:WAX. —
David Eppstein (
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23:50, 11 August 2015 (UTC)reply
After another look, I agree that the two sources address the subject of the article in detail and that is
significant enough to meet
WP:GNG. On this note, any patrolling admin should close this debate as Keep. @
David Eppstein: Neither my wife nor my son is a wikipedian to see
WP:WAX. I probably do not have a clue of why you pointed me to WP:WAX considering the fact that I never insinuated that any of them should have an article and if they must have a stand-alone article on Wikipedia, someone with no
WP:COI who knows how to write an encyclopedic article will write about them here.
Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£00:20, 12 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Re WAX, it was intended as a simpler argument than that: the fact that your wife and son don't have an article is not persuasive, because maybe they are notable and nobody sufficiently independent to write an article has yet noticed. —
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01:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment He has one published academic paper that has been cited 5 times. I don't see him passing under anything but
WP:ACADEMIC. The NYT coverage isn't about him, it's about African languages and mentions him. That isn't being the subject of the NYT article, that's a passing mention.--
Savonneux (
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09:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
His name is mentioned 5 times, in several paragraphs, in context with more info about his field of expertise. That's called "in-depth" here at AfD. Besides, he's a practical academic, he makes things like the Yoruba keyboard, and the Yoruba speech recognition software. These things aren't included in any scholar database, I'm afraid.
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Redirect to
La Cage aux Folles (film)#Adam and Yves (changed from Delete) it was proposed and was dropped, end of story, no lasting impact, something of the "one-event" variety, relegated to be a footnote of History. Refs are short mentions in gossip columns, and two off-line sources with probably the same short trivial mentions.
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18:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)reply
As an early incident in the evolving representation of
LGBT coverage in media, this is certainly notable enough to merit a line or two somewhere in Wikipedia — but as a show that never actually made it to air, it doesn't really need its own standalone article. Redirect to
La Cage aux Folles (film), since that's the film it was based on and there's already a brief mention of it in there.
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Delete quote from a source: "...after she claimed to have crucial information, which turned out to be valueless." End of story. A case of BLP0E, there's zero events here.
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Unverifiable article about a drug runner. There is no real assertion of notability, and a search; turns up no sources covering this person or his death.
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01:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Note - since the nomination, the article has had the name of the subject, date of birth, how and where the subject was killed all changed. This version still isn't verifiable, and the editting makes me suspect the article itself is a hoax. --
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Not notable under WP:PROF or otherwise. I can find no academic MEDSR references for the syndrome he is said to have discovered DGG (
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Delete. I'm unable to locate evidence that Bellman meets notability criteria. The only ones I found were either written by Bellman himself, which is not a reliable source, were about a different Eric Bellman, or were simply passing mentions. He therefore fails GNG. --
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Keep: the death of 12 people and a well-know politician in a suicide bombing generates the kind of coverage that easily passes
WP:GNG,
BBC article for example. Not sure what the 'unknown information' refers to.
Vrac (
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03:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep - it killed the Punjab provincial minister and death toll will rise, as 25 people are still missing. I will expand it.
—МандичкаYO 😜
06:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. A well-authenticated and clearly notable incident. If the article contains "unknown information" whatever that means, that might be deleted, but not the whole article.
Maproom (
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07:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is a very well-cited article on an incident that is obviously notable based on the references currently in the article.
WP:SNOW should be considered. ~ RobTalk10:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment - can we get an admin to snow close this please? It should be featured In The News and it looks terrible with the AfD template.
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Fails
WP:NGEO.
WP:NASTRO Existence does not confer notability. I have no objections to a Geography of Pluto article but having an article for each recently discovered geographic feature is absurd unless they have some other notability.
Savonneux cites. (
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00:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Geographic features of astronomical objects is not covered in WP:GEO, my bad. My reasoning still stands per "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works."--
Savonneux (
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05:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Hillary Montes is the second tallest mountain range on the dwarf planet, it is certainly notable. It is essentially the Alps of Pluto, with Norgay Montes being the Himalayas. The others can be merged, but Hillary and Norgay Montes are notable enough.
DN-boards1 (
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00:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment from Nominator I would withdraw it if I could but other people have already voted on it. I think now with the improvements that it would be worth having a discussion about merging it to
Geography of Pluto--
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Fails
WP:NGEO..
WP:NASTRO Existence does not confer notability. I have no objections to a Geography of Pluto article but having an article for each recently discovered geographic feature is absurd unless they have some other notability.
Savonneux cites. (
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00:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Geographic features of astronomical objects is not covered in WP:GEO, my bad. My reasoning still stands per "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works."--
Savonneux (
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05:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Norgay Montes is the tallest mountain range on Pluto, essentially it is the Himalayas of the dwarf planet. It and Hillary Montes were also the first two mountain ranges to be named, and for these reasons are more notable than other mountains. We have articles on practically every feature on Mars, etc., why should this be different?
DN-boards1 (
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00:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Good point, but I'm not sure why we have many of those pages on physiofeatures on Mars either. Some, for there is citable source material, yes, but for many others, no, we don't need them all.
Isambard Kingdom (
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01:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Actually, unlike Earth-based geographic features, the existence of an astronomical object, or even the fact that it has been named does not guarantee notability. Sources aren't the same as notability, "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works" is the criteria for astronomical objects.
WP:NASTRO--
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Fails
WP:NGEO..
WP:NASTRO Existence does not confer notability. I have no objections to a Geography of Pluto article but having an article for each recently discovered geographic feature is absurd unless they have some other notability.
Savonneux cites. (
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00:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Geographic features of astronomical objects is not covered in WP:GEO, my bad. My reasoning still stands per "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works."--
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05:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete User DN-boards is in a campaign creating useless articles with complete disregard to Wikipedia's spirit and editors' feedback. If this was not enough, he is even asking to delete his own article. Can you smell a troll?
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Fails both
WP:NGEO and
WP:GNG. The unnamed peak was named "Peak September 11" by a group of climbers, and is not the location's internationally recognized name. The article also lacks any sort of coverage outside the youtube video and webpage referenced in the article.
~Oshwah~ (talk)(contribs)00:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Do Not DeleteThis article now has state published and printed documents and will have more coming. Yes, it is a little known fact, but that's why we are planing it for public to know. this is an important part of global history. Someone from Russia earlier on tried to delete the documents. but they can't erase the truth. Thank you.
Soul Of Ukraine Foundation (
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14:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
The "state published and printed documents" you refer to looks to be an image of one letter dated back in 2002 summarizing a climbing event involving the unnamed peak. This is not proof of international recognition of the peak's name, and it does not assert notability that satisfies
WP:NGEO or
WP:GNG.
~Oshwah~ (talk)(contribs)01:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
SoulOfUkraine has the unlimited rights to the works of Sergey Melnikoff (including the images of the Peak September 11 and other images on this and other subsequent pages published by the SoulOfUkraine. the authorization is located on our SoulOfUkraine profile talk page.
Soul Of Ukraine Foundation (
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20:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Do Not Delete This article now has state published and printed documents and will have more coming. Yes, it is a little known fact, but that's why we are planing it for public to know. this is an important part of global history. There is no conflict of interest you are referring to: the author of these images, the government officials and myself are completely independent entities and people. Conflict of interest = self-publication, self-promotion. there is no self-promotion here. International expedition with an American leader took a Kyrgyz gov't order and organized an expedition to the peak. Named it Sept 11 and had a lot of local publicity (that was 2002, mind you). The photographs were given to the US President G.W. Bush and this story was forgotten since. He let me publish them: Sergey is quite a patriot fighting Soviets in Afghanistan. I believe this amazing story deserves to be known. We are obtaining more US documents from the GWB Library. The communication has been posted on my talk page. thank you. Olena
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The result was Delete. The reasons given for deletion are in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, while the reasons given by the one editor arguing "keep" are not. The editor who uses the pseudonym "
JamesBWatson" (
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14:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Charity article which has been tagged with primarysources, advert, and inappropriate tone tags. No significant work done to the article for over nine months. Article not passed review several times. Would also like to included aassociated owner
Linda Pinizzotto who outwith links to articles has slim sources.
scope_creep (
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comment: if an article is deleted, the redirects to it are normally deleted also. It doesn't need to be specifically nominated. DGG (
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21:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Question @
User:Mrfrobinson @Magnolia677, @Niteshift36, @scope_creep: The only policy-based deletion criteria all of you provide is
Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which says: Notability requires only that these necessary sources have been published—even if these sources are not actually listed in the article yet . Would you kindly tell us how you determined that no sources have been published? Thanks in advance,
Ottawahitech (
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18:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)reply
A quick google search yielded one passing mention of the COA in The Toronto Star. How about you provide some sources instead of wikilawyering?
Mrfrobinson (
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00:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Tens of millions of people who live in the United States and Canada live in
condominiums (or stratas as they are known in
British Columbia.) Condos are owned by people who want to be
homeowners but cannot afford or do not want to be bothered by having to maintain a house. and are especially popular with childless adults. There is an area of law that deals with condo ownership in every state and every province. This area includes legislation, case law and l law firms which exclusively deal with condo law. There are thousands of
property management firms hired by condo owners to manage the
common elements of their condominium. Condo-ownership is the fastest growing form of ownership today, by far.
Yet, in Wikipedia which is striving to be “the sum of all knowledge”, there is scant information about condos. The few articles that do exist in
Category:condominium are mostly marginal, some badly written, others have questionable sources.
If you believe in Wikipedia why not try to correct this state of affairs by adding information, instead of spending your time attempting to remove whatever little others have tried to add in the past?
Ottawahitech (
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12:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)reply
The fact that tens of millions of people live in condos has no bearing on whether one particular condo-related organization has enough
reliable source coverage to qualify for an encyclopedia article about it. Wikipedia does not strive to be "the sum of all knowledge", nor to be a comprehensive directory of every single thing that has ever existed at all —
verifiability in
reliable sources, not "gets a no-sourcing freebie because they do important work", is the be-all and end-all of whether an organization gets an article or not.
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Delete The "article" appears to be just a proposal for a redirect, which is more suitable for a talk page. Whether to honor that request would be another business than this AfD. (Although IMO "track" and "tract" sound similar enough to give it) 野狼院ひさしu/
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Redirect. It's an attempt to make a redirect, obviously. So do that. No one is ever going to search this way, but it's harmless. What would a 'notable' typo be, anyway?
Opabinia regalis (
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06:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
FFAT motif and make the content a footnote there. My extensive post to the
talk page of article in question (made on 10:19, 17 August 2015) explains how this error has crept into the world literature and is possibly being amplified. However, after considering the comments above, I see that it is not the role of Wikipedia to act as corrective agent. — Preceding
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