- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Stifle ( talk) 10:48, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- List of the busiest airports in the Balkans ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
There has apparently been zero improvement on this article despite several efforts to clarify its scope and purpose in two AfDs (2011, 2013) and a series of discussions on the article talk page in 2015. There is apparently no resolution to its WP:SYNTH/ WP:V/ WP:INDISCRIMINATE issues and no WP:POTENTIAL. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bosnia and Herzegovina-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Montenegro-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Macedonia-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Slovenia-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Yugoslavia-related deletion discussions. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed that the {{ oldafdfull}} from this article's talk page references "List of the busiest airports in the former Yugoslav countries" and "List of the largest airports in the Former Yugoslavia" so the two AfDs could be combined - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of busiest airports in the former Yugoslav republics. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:39, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep because there are no "List of the busiest airports in " every Balkan state, except Greece. Plus, if that RfC passes, then you should consider deleting List of the busiest airports in the Nordic countries, etc. Bouzinac ( talk) 11:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- We tried the approach of grouping by "former Yugoslavia" and by "Balkans", and neither really worked, because we don't have encyclopedic content here. What makes you think that if we had lists of busiest airports by state that this would be a reason for deletion, as opposed to now? -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 13:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFF and “then make individual articles then”. Dronebogus ( talk) 14:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:INDISCRIMINATE, if the title was accurate it’d be “List of busiest airports in the Balkans minus Turkey and Romania because reasons”. Dronebogus ( talk) 14:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of the busiest airports in Europe: Page does not offer anything that the Europe page does not give.
Gusfriend (
talk)
06:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Why not, but then most of Balkan airports will disappear of the list because their rank among Europe is often higher than 100. Bouzinac ( talk) 11:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unsourced, unneeded (and incomplete, too?) Llwyld ( talk) 00:04, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep These lists,
Category:Lists of busiest airports, are valid encyclopedic information, showing air travel around the world at each location and how it was affected year by year. What should be on each list is discussed elsewhere, and not a valid reason for deleting an article.
Dream Focus
13:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Balkans#Balkan_Peninsula shows which nations are considered part of the Balkans, and which nations only have part of their borders there. Is this why some nations are included on the list and some are not? Or is it because those nations have their own national lists that would be too long to merge with this one? Dream Focus 13:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- You see that category, and you feel we need to keep more of this? :) "It's valid encyclopedic information" is not an actual rationale. For example,
WP:5P defines we maintain features of "general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers". Can you point us to an example real-world collection like that that can be used as a reference here in the description of this group? --
Joy [shallot] (
talk)
16:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- There are those who study such things, I just don't know where to look to find them. Dream Focus 17:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- You see that category, and you feel we need to keep more of this? :) "It's valid encyclopedic information" is not an actual rationale. For example,
WP:5P defines we maintain features of "general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers". Can you point us to an example real-world collection like that that can be used as a reference here in the description of this group? --
Joy [shallot] (
talk)
16:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As per Dronebogus. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)- Let's try to throw in some explicit pings to people who previously commented about these topics before: FkpCascais Oranges Juicy Timbouctou Skyduster Yerpo Presidentman GregorB Tomobe03 Smihael Lugnuts Bazonka Thryduulf Calistemon YSSYguy Arsonal -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 21:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Just to clarify, I think a list of how airports are doing in the former Yugoslavia would be useful, as nearly all the airline infrastructure in the region was built in the Yugoslav era, and there are indeed somewhat thriving specialized websites which deal with aviation in the former Yugoslavia, i.e. they treat it as a single region (which is not that surprising considering that virtually all aviation experts used to work at the same company, Jat Airways. Airlines and airports operating in this region compete with each other, and it would be inetresting to see the development of coastal airports over the past 15-20 years - as places like Tivat, Zadar, Split, Dubrovnik, all compete with each other to attract western holidaymakers. I assume the "Balkan" moniker (and the corresponding wider scope, entailing Greece, Bulgaria, etc) probably came in order to avoid grouping ex-Yugoslav countries together, because somebody somewhere decided this isn't "encyclopedic." Well, "the Balkans" doesn't really make much sense, it is difficult to define where that is geographically and as far as I know there is nobody treating the Balkans as a single aviation market. So, you know, whatever. Timbouctou ( talk) 15:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.