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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
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- List of supercentenarians born in the Russian Empire ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This article groups together the information found on the country specific articles and is an unnecessary subset of the Europe article all linked here Template:Longevity. For example, EVERYONE born 110+ years ago in the modern Russia (and Finland and each of the other modern country cats) was born in the Russian Empire. It creates a maintenance hassle in an area where accurate updates are tough because of the poor coverage of these people by RS. Legacypac (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete Yet more fanfluff listcruft. No RS to justify this a separate list. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 09:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - As I explained in the Nordic AFD, this "list of" article fails WP:LISTN as no sources (none at all, not even the GRG) discuss "supercentenarians from the Russian Empire". Also redundant because every name is mentioned in the other country and deaths by year articles under Template: Longevity. CommanderLinx ( talk) 10:17, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete but note the Russian Empire was partly in Europe, partly in Asia. EEng ( talk) 13:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes but there are no Asian super old people
outside Japan even though that country has 3% of Asians, but that is a different credibility issue with our coverage of the topic. And what is with the geography and political history bits between the lists?
Legacypac (
talk)
14:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- No problem then. EEng ( talk) 21:11, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Yes but there are no Asian super old people
outside Japan even though that country has 3% of Asians, but that is a different credibility issue with our coverage of the topic. And what is with the geography and political history bits between the lists?
Legacypac (
talk)
14:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not seeing any type of justification/coverage for a standalone list on this topic. Canadian Paul 06:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 19:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete: Awful maintenance hassle, and a content fork. Over a dozen different countries is way too many to force into it. Even my grandmother was born in the Russian Empire. Ceosad ( talk) 17:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I don't see what is wrong with this list. It is a very well put together list and very well maintained. Also why are you saying on other AFD's that one nation is too small and a group list is better. However in this AFD you say that a dozen different countries is way too many to force into it? That is something to think about. Petervermaelen ( talk) 08:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC) This editor has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Not at all the point being made. Russian Empire is a superset of a bunch of modern countries, but a subset of Europe. Therefore like Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_supercentenarians_from_the_Nordic_countries it should be deleted as unhelpful. Legacypac ( talk) 01:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Article is well-put-together and useful. Also note that the anti-supercentenarian crew AfD-nominated the article on Czech Supercentenarians with a claim that one nation is too small and a group list is better, and here they do exactly the opposite by claiming that this is too many countries all together. How does that work out? 930310 ( talk) 16:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC) This editor has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- It's not a matter of the number of countries in each list, but the incoherence of the various subsets they represnet. Neither one particular country in isolation (e.g. France), nor a complicated mishmash of countries/territories that have faded in and out and in and out of existence (as here), make any sense as something that's useful to segregate off explicitly, when one big Europe list can be sorted and searched in any way the reader's heart desires.
EEng (
talk)
17:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Remember that the Russian Empire stretched over three continents (Europe, Asia and North America), so "One Big Europe List" won't really work.
930310 (
talk)
21:03, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Please make an effort to read the arguments already put forth before commenting. I myself raised that point already, and it was satisfactorily answered.
EEng (
talk)
21:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Red herring - there are no Russian Empire super old people on the list who had anything to do with Alaska. Further there are only Japanese superold people on the Asian list. If Europe list is too big as you suggest, vote to delete this article as too big a scope, for at the relevant time when most of the people were born the
Russian Empire covered 125.6 million subjects registered by the 1897 census, and had the third largest population in the world at the time and was the third largest land mass well beyond the size of Europe. Alternatively, perhaps we need to roll together all the British Empire people into one list and eliminate a bunch of country articles like Canada, the UK, Australia, Oceania, Asia outside Japan which includes one person born in India etc.
Legacypac (
talk)
21:22, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Huh? Who said anything about the Europe list being too big? And if there's a British Empire list, it should be eliminated as well, with everyone being listed on the appropriate continent list. Once there's nothing left but continent lists, consideration should be given to having simply one huge worldwide list, and be done with it. That one list would do the work of the 50-100 lists we have now.
EEng (
talk)
21:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- I was responding to 930310 and Petervermaelen's points, maybe poorly about too big or too small. Especially for Europe, I favor one big list with appropriate demarcations so you can see where each person lived or died. That cuts out all the double, triple, 10x listing of people here there and everywhere and simplifies maintenance. Legacypac ( talk) 21:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Huh? Who said anything about the Europe list being too big? And if there's a British Empire list, it should be eliminated as well, with everyone being listed on the appropriate continent list. Once there's nothing left but continent lists, consideration should be given to having simply one huge worldwide list, and be done with it. That one list would do the work of the 50-100 lists we have now.
EEng (
talk)
21:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Red herring - there are no Russian Empire super old people on the list who had anything to do with Alaska. Further there are only Japanese superold people on the Asian list. If Europe list is too big as you suggest, vote to delete this article as too big a scope, for at the relevant time when most of the people were born the
Russian Empire covered 125.6 million subjects registered by the 1897 census, and had the third largest population in the world at the time and was the third largest land mass well beyond the size of Europe. Alternatively, perhaps we need to roll together all the British Empire people into one list and eliminate a bunch of country articles like Canada, the UK, Australia, Oceania, Asia outside Japan which includes one person born in India etc.
Legacypac (
talk)
21:22, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Please make an effort to read the arguments already put forth before commenting. I myself raised that point already, and it was satisfactorily answered.
EEng (
talk)
21:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Remember that the Russian Empire stretched over three continents (Europe, Asia and North America), so "One Big Europe List" won't really work.
930310 (
talk)
21:03, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- It's not a matter of the number of countries in each list, but the incoherence of the various subsets they represnet. Neither one particular country in isolation (e.g. France), nor a complicated mishmash of countries/territories that have faded in and out and in and out of existence (as here), make any sense as something that's useful to segregate off explicitly, when one big Europe list can be sorted and searched in any way the reader's heart desires.
EEng (
talk)
17:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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