Wikipedia:articles For Deletion List Of Non-binary Writers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein ^talk 13:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC) reply

List of non-binary writers

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We already have List of people with non-binary gender identities, making this redundant. However, more importantly, this article is completely unreferenced and contains potentially controversial statements about BLPs. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 04:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC) reply

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Comment: I've added sources for a few of the people, though I have to say that I could not (in my admittedly brief search) find citations for some of the other people. (I looked for citations that described the people as both non-binary and writers/authors within the same citation. I did not yet have time to look for citations for most of the people, only a few of them.) As to whether the list is redundant in a way that wouldn't normally or shouldn't allow for a separate article, I don't know; I see we have e.g. List of people from Michigan as well as List of Michigan writers as distinct lists (but " WP:OSE"). -sche ( talk) 05:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Pinging the article's creator, @ Antiqueight:: can you help add references, please? Personally, I would be inclined to keep the list if most of the individuals can be referenced (and any that can't be are removed). -sche ( talk) 21:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC) reply

I'll go through and update with references where I can and remove what I can't but I believe the list needs to remain and that the existence of List of people with non-binary gender identities is irrelevant. I'm at work right now but I'll get to it later when I can. Thank you @ -sche: for the notification. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 09:06, 16 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Keep Having a list of people with non-binary gender identities is not a reason not to also have a list of non-binary writers. We have lists of women writers from different centuries and different places - being able to find writers of female gender or non-binary gender, etc, is of interest to readers. I have added a couple of references, but I am wondering why some names are in the list, when the articles about the people don't indicate that they have/had non-binary identities - eg Beth Brant, whose article has the category "non-binary writers", but who, according to the article, "became active in the feminist community and announced her sexual orientation as a lesbian", and the article uses she/her pronouns throughout; and Marjorie Celona, whose article makes no mention, in the text or categories, of being non-binary, and uses she/her pronouns. Should I delete any I notice who seem inappropriately included? @ -sche:, @ Antiqueight:, what do you think? RebeccaGreen ( talk) 17:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Yeah, if nothing in the article confirms it and you do a quick google for their name + "non-binary" and don't see anything relevant that could be added to the article ('cause IMO making at least a little good-faith attempt to find sources is a good best practice), I'd say remove them (per BLP and all). I'll try and look for citations for more myself when I have time. -sche ( talk) 18:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Sure, I'm always happy to find and add sources! RebeccaGreen ( talk) 19:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Keep We have lists for writers who are women or men. This completes the lists for writers who are not women or men. The topic is not too general which a list of non-binary people might be. Though the relatively small percentage of notable people out as non binary keeps the list small today, eventually it will be a list that is too general. The topic is not too specific, it isn't only non binary writers from North America. People on the list are notable. There has been some additions to the list that are incorrect or insufficiently cited. This will be rectified over the next couple of weeks and the list tracked to double check all additions have citations. ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 22:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note Since nobody else has supported deletion and references have been added, I'm fine with this discussion ending early as either Keep or nomination withdrawn. I still don't feel that it's really necessary considering we have a list of non-binary people and a category for non-binary writers, but it seems to be a losing battle. I do think that we need to discuss the inclusion of some entries on the list, not just if they identity as non-binary, but also if they're even notable as writers. But that can be had on the talk page. JDDJS ( talk to me • see what I've done) 23:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC) reply

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