- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete both. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 18:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
List of first ice hockey internationals per country: 1909–1999
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These lists both fail to meet WP:LISTN, with no independent reliable sources to validate why a standalone list is notable. The lists currently have only Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill citations to box scores, which do nothing to state why the list is notable as a whole. Flibirigit ( talk) 16:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related page for the same reasons as above:
- List of first ice hockey internationals per country: since 2000 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ice hockey and Lists. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom and rationale for the related discussion at List of first women's ice hockey internationals per country: 1987-1999. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:18, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both per nom. WP:INDISCRIMINATE and many of the reference links don't work. Ajf773 ( talk) 18:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both: per my vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of first women's ice hockey internationals per country: 1987-1999, and for much the same reasons. Ravenswing 21:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both. Per WP:LISTN. These items are valid for the national team of each country and already listed there. gidonb ( talk) 04:27, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both. The origins of hockey programs are notable, but this list is not. Some of the entries that are 'sourced' do not make any logical sense and reveal how useless the source itself is; do we really believe that Iceland never played an international game until they showed up at an IIHF sanctioned championship. 18abruce ( talk) 12:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete both per nom. Rlendog ( talk) 20:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep- “appropriate” reasons are not suffice to describe the incompetence with reasons listed here being happy with less information, the article is beneficial to people such as myself on the autism spectrum, and I believe this wasn’t well thought about by the supposedly “fair” social thinkers listed above
Dweisz94 (
talk)
19:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ahem. You will find, in point of fact, that there is no exemption from Wikipedia policies or notability guidelines just because an article is allegedly beneficial to those on the spectrum. Being on the spectrum myself, I don't see it. Perhaps you can explain precisely what unique benefits this article -- as opposed to the other sixty-eight articles nominated for deletion on the same day -- confers to that population.
Ravenswing
20:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- I know that although different individuals may be on the spectrum we have different aptitudes oriented to different abilities, I assume keeping elemental and factual or in correspondence to “Trivia” is an advantage however there may be linguistic oriented people on the spectrum which would also still be factual), I absolutely understand about the policies but this is not being deleted due to a policy it’s due a subjective impression of the policies which haven’t actually proven to be qualified impressions
Dweisz94 (
talk)
20:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't seem that you do understand the relevant policies, judging from your
utterly meritless and disruptive attempts to take this to ANI and AE both. I strongly advise you to quit while you're behind, respect the consensus that has developed, and drop the stick on these bizarre arguments, before
your competence as an editor is brought into formal question.
Ravenswing
16:15, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- I didn’t take this to ANI nor AE, I didn’t believe it was possible to be acceptable to add a non AfD article with an AfD article and only went to ANI and AE against Flibirigit as that’s exactly what he did
Dweisz94 (
talk)
01:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, taking it to ANI is, indeed, taking it to ANI.
Ravenswing
02:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Saying taking “this” to ANI means taking the entire issue of this deletion page to ANI that’s why I’m saying I didn’t do that because I did not Dweisz94 ( talk) 02:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Main argument was my reply of 01:21 March 14, 2023 Dweisz94 ( talk) 02:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, taking it to ANI is, indeed, taking it to ANI.
Ravenswing
02:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nobody here has a problem with keeping up the first Soccer internationals per country, it’s a disgraceful double standard that isn’t based on something that would keep a thriving Wikipedia community Dweisz94 ( talk) 01:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- I didn’t take this to ANI nor AE, I didn’t believe it was possible to be acceptable to add a non AfD article with an AfD article and only went to ANI and AE against Flibirigit as that’s exactly what he did
Dweisz94 (
talk)
01:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't seem that you do understand the relevant policies, judging from your
utterly meritless and disruptive attempts to take this to ANI and AE both. I strongly advise you to quit while you're behind, respect the consensus that has developed, and drop the stick on these bizarre arguments, before
your competence as an editor is brought into formal question.
Ravenswing
16:15, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- I know that although different individuals may be on the spectrum we have different aptitudes oriented to different abilities, I assume keeping elemental and factual or in correspondence to “Trivia” is an advantage however there may be linguistic oriented people on the spectrum which would also still be factual), I absolutely understand about the policies but this is not being deleted due to a policy it’s due a subjective impression of the policies which haven’t actually proven to be qualified impressions
Dweisz94 (
talk)
20:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Dweisz94, removing the template from the list is incorrect. Please see
Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process. Have a great day.
Flibirigit (
talk)
22:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Going a few steps ahead you are threatening such that I comply with something that actually is not correct, the importance would rely on you hearing what you like
Dweisz94 (
talk)
23:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- A reference to Wikipedia policy is not a threat. It is an explanation of why the edit was reverted.
Flibirigit (
talk)
00:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- The reference to the policy isn’t what I’m talking about Dweisz94 ( talk) 06:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- A reference to Wikipedia policy is not a threat. It is an explanation of why the edit was reverted.
Flibirigit (
talk)
00:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Going a few steps ahead you are threatening such that I comply with something that actually is not correct, the importance would rely on you hearing what you like
Dweisz94 (
talk)
23:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Ahem. You will find, in point of fact, that there is no exemption from Wikipedia policies or notability guidelines just because an article is allegedly beneficial to those on the spectrum. Being on the spectrum myself, I don't see it. Perhaps you can explain precisely what unique benefits this article -- as opposed to the other sixty-eight articles nominated for deletion on the same day -- confers to that population.
Ravenswing
20:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: suffice to say, the article constitutes an example of everything Wikipedia is not. SN54129 13:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Statistical errata, really makes no sense in a list like this. Zaathras ( talk) 14:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for all the reasons listed above and at the women's 1987-1999 AFD discussion. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 13:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.