Wikipedia:articles For Deletion List Of Breweries In Connecticut

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC) reply

List of breweries in Connecticut

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Disputed WP:PROD. There are almost no notable entries in this list. No reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle ( talk) 02:49, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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Disputed WP:PROD. There is only a single bluelinked entry in this list. No reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle ( talk) 03:14, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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Disputed WP:PROD. There are almost no notable entries in this list. The article is basically a linkspam farm. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle ( talk) 03:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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Disputed WP:PROD. There are no notable entries in this list. No reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle ( talk) 02:55, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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Disputed WP:PROD. There is only a single bluelinked entry in this list. This is basically a linkspam farm. Wikipedia is not a directory. IronGargoyle ( talk) 03:19, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

I don't know about this one. A list of notable entries is one way of selecting items for a list but it is not the only way as is made clear at WP:LSC and WP:CSC. In particular, CSC#2 says, astonishingly, that a valid selection criteria is Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. That is, we can have an article that collect together a group of entities none of which are notable by themselves. If this were List of hairdressers in Connecticut, or even List of bars in Connecticut, I would support the WP:NOTDIR argument. However, the number of breweries in a state is relatively small, and the list will remain manageable even if it becomes comprehensive. CSC#3 recommends that complete lists should be less than about 32kB, which this one is quite easily. According to List of breweries in the United States there are a total of 2,538 breweries which is an average of about 50 per state. CSC#3 recommends that the notabiity selection criterion should be evoked if the list reaches "hundreds of entries", which again, this one has not. The root issue here seems to be the existence of List of breweries in the United States, which is a list of lists, and encourages the creation of these articles. If we don't want them, we should start off by deleting the list of lists, but on the basis that that is not going to happen any time soon, I am !voting provisional keep. Spinning Spark 14:43, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply
I would also note that brewery names tend to be more prominently known than the names of other individual businesses because they are providing a consumer product to multiple outlets. Spinning Spark 14:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 20:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep All - Valid navigational function. Red links show future work to be done. Carrite ( talk) 20:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment. It is not hard to find reliable sources that think constructing lists of breweries in Connecticut is a worthwile activity:

Andy Couch, The Good Beer Guide to New England, ISBN 1584654694.
Elizabeth Dugger, Massachusetts & Western Connecticut Adventure Guide, ISBN 158843057X.
Steve Johnson, On Tap New England, ISBN 0962936855.

Spinning Spark 23:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep All - These articles need to be updated with references, not deleted. I just updated List of breweries in Connecticut and with very little effort I was able to find published references for the majority of breweries, from sources including The New York Times and The Hartford Courant. The other lists can be similarly updated. -- Zyxw ( talk) 03:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep All per WP:CSC and Spinningspark. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 08:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep All I agree with those above who vote "keep all." These lists are valid for navigation. It is not hard to add links to them. It probably takes less time to go web hunting and add links than it does to set up deletion nominations for twelve lists. I updated parts of several of these lists including List of breweries in California. I have worked on many lists in Wiki before and never encountered this sort of situation because WP:CSC does not demand citations on each line and states that a list may contain non-notable entries.

Please note these additional individual deletion discussions on same topic:

Ellin Beltz ( talk) 16:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep All per WP:CSC. Also, I agree with Zyxw that these articles need to be updated with references, not deleted. The problems with the lists are fixable through cleanup and development. - tucoxn\^talk 20:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC) reply
Keep All - important for navigation and detailing. All items are of a definitive interest and are likely to be covered with articles in due time. Meets the criteria because all items are in a definitive list and the subject is notable. I'll gladly work on some of these since I just became aware of the existence of the pages. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 05:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC) reply
Keep per WP:CSC, and allow time for improved sourcing to occur. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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