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The result was delete. This is a tricky one, but given the convincing challenges to every option that isn't "delete", I see a weak consensus for that. There is no substantive challenge either to the applicability of the MOS sectioned below, or for the sourcing issues.
Vanamonde93 (
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17:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That article is also almost completely
WP:UNSOURCED, so that won't solve the issues. I may nominate that list as well, sooner or later, but I decided to begin with the spin-offs first.
NLeeuw (
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13:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That's different: battles involving Croatia ≠ battles in Croatia. We do not categorise battles by location per
WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN.
If we want a list of battles involving Croatia, analogous to
Category:Battles involving Croatia and analogous to
List of wars involving Croatia, we can. But then this whole article needs to be Renamed, Rescoped, rigorously Purged of inapplicable battles, and Re-populated with applicable battles which actually involved the Republic of Croatia (and any commonly recognised historical predecessors), including battles outside of Croatian territory involving the Croatian military.
I also only found it a few days ago, to be honest. I've been working on this category tree for some time, currently proposing to merge, rename or delete a couple of them at
WP:CFD, should you be interested (see 4 May 2024).
NLeeuw (
talk)
13:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment This was my accept at AfC. I dismissed the previous challenge of 'unsourced' that led to it being draftified, as that didn't apply to a list, however I was unaware of
WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN so in hindsight, I would not have accepted it.
Curb Safe Charmer (
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15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I wasn't aware of it either until recently. At
Talk:List of battles by geographic location#Splitting Proposal, I've just outlined some CfD and AfD jurisprudence on accepting or deleting categories or lists/articles on battles by location. Long story short: CfD categorically (pun intended) rejects them, AfD often accepts them, but for different reasons and under certain conditions. The two project spaces are thus at odds.
NLeeuw (
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17:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I see no consensus here yet. I'll just mention that similar articles nominated at AFD involving different countries have closed as "Delete". Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!22:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete - I'm swayed by the reasoning at
WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, and note that given the history of Croatia in particular, the conundrum of "what iteration of the country does this list refer to" identified by MILMOS is particularly relevant and thorny. signed, Rosguilltalk17:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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