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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 10:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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AldezD ( talk) 17:20, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Overwhelming precedent that game show episodes do not meet guidelines for inclusion. Article does not contain information that meets WP:EPISODE (specifically, "Such pages must still be notable, and contain out-of-universe context, and not merely be a list of episode titles or cast and crew: Wikipedia is not a directory.") This is not a television series with fictional plot synopses that is appropriate to be chronicled in an article, and the specific details of results from a television game show episode do not meet WP:GNG. Fails WP:NOT#STATS and WP:IINFO.
No sources for tables of information containing results of individual game show episodes. Only references in article are for television episode ratings.
AldezD (
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17:20, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AldezD ( talk) 17:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. AldezD ( talk) 17:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- KEEP If you read through the reasoning in those other AFDs some state information is better suited in the main article and merged over. But there are more seasons listed here. Listing the episodes and their ratings of any television show is commonly done, and if it won't all fit in the main article, a spinout article is fine. Note also that some of those were recreated after more information was available. The X Factor has its series/seasons listed in its main article and linked to in their own individual articles such as The X Factor (British series 1) with another article for just listing its winners at List of The X Factor (UK) finalists. Dream Focus 05:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per the nominations rationale and
WP:NOTIINFO. We generally don't include episode lists for game shows.
Ajf773 (
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08:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- WP:NOTINFO reads: Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. All articles for television shows list the ratings. Dream Focus 15:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- I hope that you don't mind input from a casual unregistered user, but I have been editing for around 15 years. I just wanted to let you know that 8 out of 10 Cats is classified as a panel show, like QI, Have I Got News, Would I lie to you? etc... rather than a game show.
There are no civilian contestants, no money winning. It's just a bunch of comedians and Celebrities discussing and playing games surrounding a certain topic, music, film, politics or in this case , polls and statistics. I can understand no episode guide for shows like The Chase, Tipping Point or Family Fortunes where there is money to be earned for either personal gain or charities, but panel shows are a popular part of of UK TV culture.
As far as I have been contributing on Wikipedia, panel shows have always had episode lists in Wikipedia, such as the programmes I mentioned as well as many others, so I would vote to KEEP. Thank You. 160.32.214.75 ( talk) 15:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC) samusek2
- Keep per MOS:TV and WP:TV standard practices for such articles. -- / Alex/ 21 10:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N0nsensical.system (err0r?) (.log) 09:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
KEEP. It is easy to pretend that panel shows are trivial, and so their episode lists somehow do not constitute worthy content. However such shows are in fact important parts of our culture, particularly and often for their social commentary. Articles on 8 Out of 10 Cats, or …Does Countdown, or QI have considerably cultural significance. However episode lists are large and need frequent updating. Embedding that content in the main article makes the main article unwieldy. Particularly on mobile devices where navigating through long articles can be broadly impractical. Episode lists are better handled, in effect, as appendices. Which structurally is what episode list articles are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dahemac ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. This is not a game show, it is a comedy panel show with the premise of a game as a structure to build the comedy around. This article contains useful information regarding who was on each episode and there is considerable precedent for having this in WP. If information is incomplete - such as ratings - this can be added rather than removing existing good information. Due to its nature, this information would make the main article unwieldy if it were to be included there but it works perfectly well when split off into a separate article such as this. 121.44.38.245 ( talk) 13:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Despite AldezD's claims to the contrary, this list not only contains information that passes WP:EPISODE but is directly encouraged per that policy. The "AfDs related to this article" constitute an apples and oranges comparison.-- Laun chba ller 18:19, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Keep This is primarily an entertainment show Sheila1988 ( talk) 21:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Keep nomination statement is a non-starter as this is not a game show. Lepricavark ( talk) 00:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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