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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 00:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a candidate in a US House primary, and no other claim of notability. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 01:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- One alternative claim of notability is his title as manager of a significant musician (he received notable press from Billboard - https://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1176842/kyle-frenette-30-under-30) -- Bon Iver has received multiple Grammys -- and it is particularly notable that he is simultaneously, or separately, running for public office. Much of the state level press in Wisconsin he has gotten has began by connecting him to Bon Iver. WP:MUS makes no obvious reference to whether managers of high profile musicians should be included. I have a fairly limited understanding of Wikipedia's notability rules, so I couldn't say on my own whether these things add up to a worthy article, but I think it should stay. If that means putting more focus on his musical career, I agree that should be incorporated anyway. Thanks for your insight! ArtisticLaudableOwls ( talk) 02:12, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Being manager of a notable artist is not in and of itself an "inherent" notability claim either — to make that a valid reason for an article, we would need to see reliable source coverage about him being a music manager, not just his own self-published music management website. Bearcat ( talk) 18:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 05:59, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 06:00, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. Baby miss fortune 06:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for politicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. As always, candidates for office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates per se — if you cannot demonstrate and properly source that they were already notable enough for an article for some other reason independent of the candidacy, then they have to win the election, not just run in it, to get a Wikipedia article because of the election itself. But this isn't properly sourcing any preexisting notability for any reason. If what the first commenter says above, that he got media coverage for managing Bon Iver, is actually true, then I'm willing to reconsider this if evidence of that coverage actually makes it into the article — but just to be clear, that would have to be referenced to media coverage about him in the context of being a music manager, not just to mentions of his work as a music manager as backgrounder information in coverage being given to him in the context of being an election candidate or to glancing mentions of his name in articles where Bon Iver, not Kyle Frenette, is the actual subject. Bearcat ( talk) 18:23, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Outside of the billboard link above, he hasn't gotten much coverage about his managing of Bon Iver. However, he has gotten some very significant national press, most notably in the last 12 hours, for being the manager of a significant music group and running for congress:
- https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/bon-iver-manager-kyle-frenette-is-challenging-the-congressman-from-real-world.html
- https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/bon-iver-kyle-frenette-congress-sean-duffy/index.html
- https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/20/587086658/bon-ivers-longtime-manager-to-announce-a-bid-for-congress
- https://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/8211610/bon-ivers-manager-is-running-for-congress
ArtisticLaudableOwls ( talk) 01:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's not coverage that assists in making "music manager" a notability claim. Any candidate's election-related coverage, by definition, is always going to mention something about their career background — so if that coverage were in and of itself enough to deem them notable for their prior careers, then every candidate would always have a free exemption from the fact that we don't accept candidates as notable per se. So no, I'm afraid that if you can't show that he was already getting coverage as Bon Iver's manager before he was a candidate for anything, then these links don't assist in making that a valid notability claim.
The way to make him notable enough as a music manager to get an article despite not being notable as a politician yet is to start out by pretending he's not a candidate — write and source an article which would already pass GNG without even mentioning the candidacy, or touching any candidacy-related sourcing, at all. Then, once you've got a fully keepable article about his music management itself, you can readd a brief mention of his candidacy as a piece of supplementary information. But his notability as a music manager cannot be stacked onto sources which are mentioning that as background in coverage of his political activities — it has to be stacked onto sources which are covering his work as a music manager in the context of his work as a music manager. Bearcat ( talk) 21:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- That's not coverage that assists in making "music manager" a notability claim. Any candidate's election-related coverage, by definition, is always going to mention something about their career background — so if that coverage were in and of itself enough to deem them notable for their prior careers, then every candidate would always have a free exemption from the fact that we don't accept candidates as notable per se. So no, I'm afraid that if you can't show that he was already getting coverage as Bon Iver's manager before he was a candidate for anything, then these links don't assist in making that a valid notability claim.
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